#jollamobile log for Friday, 2015-10-23

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HtheBGood night guys :)01:14
HtheBI am still wondering why TeamViewer is *NOT* working on Jolla :(01:15
HtheBit crashes right after you try to login on a remote desktop01:15
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greenithi, i've read that there is a "patch" called "eventsview", which adds controls for wifi & co to the event-screen. I have jolla 1.1.9.28 installed, does it work with this version?06:44
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Nicd-greenit: I don't know but if you upgrade to 2.0.0.10 which is in EA, it has that builtin06:49
greenitNicd-: ah, okay. Then I'll just wait until this version comes to the normal release channel. Thanks for the info. :)06:50
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TMavicaAnyone notice in changelog, it mentioned Jolla '1' ??07:49
coderusit always was Jolla107:49
TMavicaWhy it said 1, previous version havent mention 107:50
StskeepsTMavica: we started calling it jolla1 ages ago07:50
TMavicaWhere is 2 then? Lol07:50
Stskeepswell, let's see07:51
Stskeeps:P07:51
TMavicaWhen its ready07:51
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TMavicaMy first one Jolla coming dead in its life..07:54
tbrTMavica: before we start worrying about a jolla2, the tablet needs to actually start shipping. No I don't count 170 odd people as "shipping"07:54
YanielI'm totally getting that Jolla2 + Half-Life 3 bundle07:54
Tomo:D07:54
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TMavicaJolla dont drop price in here...07:55
Teguooh, half life 3 running on jolla 207:55
tbrTegu: with 60fps, probably07:55
tbrbecause 60/20 = 3, so it's confirmed!07:56
Tegu60fps is yesterday, 144fps is where it's at07:56
tbr12.1 jiggafps07:56
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* tbr will order his jolla2 as a bundle, with self-lacing nike's, a hover board and a hover conversion for my vehicle07:58
lainwir3do/07:58
lainwir3dwhy all the talk about the Jolla 2 ?07:58
lainwir3dHas there been something announced ? :o07:58
tbrno07:58
tbrthat's why07:58
pavistop dreaming of J2 . Jolla is no more into hardware business . It takes a lot to manufacture a phone.07:59
tbrpeople like to imagine07:59
lainwir3dlol07:59
Teguimagine all the jollas..07:59
tbrI'll already be happy if I get my jolla tablet, which seems unlikely as I didn't bend over and buy the 64GB upgrade07:59
inzi can has dream?07:59
paviAfter the split into hardware and software , all we heard was the hardware one will take care of customer support for J1 and tablet.08:00
tbr"there is no jolla2" *bendsobjectintoapretzel*08:00
tbrtheir hw company is like a bad bank08:00
Teguwill it bend?08:00
tbrit might even blend08:00
lainwir3dwell, much speculation but the thing is nobody apart from Jolla knows what's going on with the hardware "department".08:01
paviBetter choice would be  to get a Fairphone with sailfish os . https://joindiaspora.com/posts/673170308:01
lainwir3dSo I wouldn't yet forget about a Jolla 208:01
pavi^ the above link was from jolla official08:01
locusftbr: I bent over and got 64GB, then another 32GB model, its just that I was 5 hours late from the first wave so Ihave yet to receive anything :)08:01
Armadilloto be honest Jolla shouldn't spend more time in producing own devices, there is so much good hardware available on the market, they should conecntrate on partnerships with Fairphone and others to spread Sailfish and should only invest time in developing SailfishOS, just my 2 cents08:03
Tegurare moment, someone links to diaspora08:03
tbrso far it looks suspiciously like no 32GB model was shipped. there are a few people who didn't get theirs in first wave and at least two or three said they ordered 32G08:03
phlixiHtheB_: i think i remember having testet vnc once and it worked08:04
paviTegu: I should say rare moment , some one takes a Jolla phone out of his pocket :P Both Diaspora* and Jolla are gems :)08:04
Teguwell yea, true08:04
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phlixiwell, i ordered within 63 minutes after the camopain started and i wasnt invited to order my 64gb one... they just sent out a few samples...08:06
paviAll the latest announcements from Jolla are partnerships with other companies . you guys still think there are resources left (after the split ) in the small company to "make a phone " ?08:06
phlixiactually what happened so far is that everytime time promised delivery date came up, they posted something on the blog "it will come in one month",08:06
phlixi....and then, exactly when the month is over, a new post came up " hey, its only a month left"08:07
Tegujolla has it's own time, just like valve time08:07
lainwir3dwell, I have my tablet and I'm pretty much happy. :-)08:08
* lainwir3d is egoistic08:08
phlixiof course its everytime formulated in a way you can not argue, because they actually did not say "you will receive it" but they always make you think they said it08:08
tbrIt's October 23rd, if you look at their last post about timelines, then it looks already very tight for the timeline of the first proper wave08:08
StskeepsTegu: we're like, in a totally different dimension08:08
Stskeeps:P08:08
phlixi...thats by the way the difference to dukenukem and half life... those havent been promised08:08
lainwir3doh by the way Stskeeps, indeed performance looks much better (in a subjective kind of way)08:09
YanielI wish I hadn't had so many situations where a tablet would have been oh so useful during hte last two months...08:09
lainwir3dapps starts faster, qml animations doesn't slow down without any warnings08:09
Stskeepslainwir3d: good08:09
lainwir3dso far so good, for the few hours I've used it yesterday evening08:09
phlixitbr: it should have bbeen arived in mai... in mai they said, june, in june they saif august in august they said "here, the update, it will take one month more" at the moment we think it will come nov/dec...08:10
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locusfas we say in Finland "Hyvää kannattaa odottaa" -> "Good things are worth waiting for"08:10
phlixi(and of course no one paid for half live 3)08:10
tbrphlixi: well, my expectations are currently that I'll get my tablet somewhen next year or never (aka jolla-hw company goes bust)08:10
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PawkyWow! the jolla support is really great :-)08:11
tbranyone knows if it is worth to pursue a defaulted company in finland over 200€? probably not worth it due to cost and administrative overhead?08:12
phlixitbr: same here, i just dont like the monthly post "you will get it in one month" to me it seems like a usual practice at jolla to rise hopes they will not fullfill. and for several parts i have feeling it is on purpose08:12
Pawkytbr: why would you like to do so?08:12
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phlixiits never worth to sue someone for 200eur/$/whatever if you value your own time more than a dollar per hour08:13
lainwir3dCome on guys, some people actually received it, so it's going forward. Stop negativity :P08:13
tbrPawky: I'm entertaining the thought. If I'd want to bother pursuing that if they go bust08:13
Stskeepstbr: at least in .dk it's about submitting a claim towards the carcass of the company08:13
lainwir3dAnd I really believe they'll start big shipping soon08:13
Stskeepstbr: but not sueing08:13
Stskeepsi think08:13
tbrphlixi: yes, excluding the the own time aspect08:13
tbrStskeeps: I said pursue, not 'sue' as in file a suit08:14
Stskeepstbr: yeah08:14
Stskeepshence the submission which i presume is a lot cheaper08:14
tbrStskeeps: which is filing a claim with the bancruptcy court or whatever08:14
Pawkywell, I presume you will be last in line if wanting your €200 compared to taxes, banks etc...08:14
phlixilainwir3d i hate the negativity mayself, but it looks really suspicious afterwards08:14
Stskeepstbr: the interesting thing is that bankruptcy court isn't involved, a lawyer gets put in charge of the dead carcass of the company08:15
tbralthough the question is, which entity did run the IGG campaign? Jolla Oy? or the HongKong entity? did it get legally converted to the jolla hw company?08:15
Stskeepsand you submit to him08:15
Stskeepstbr: hong kong08:15
StskeepsIGG and finland doesn't match08:15
tbrright, then the answer is: no chance to even pursue that. prohibitive overhead.08:15
PawkyStskeeps: well, but I assume they still have to prioritize08:15
StskeepsPawky: sure08:16
tbryes, and small claims come last, if there is anything left08:16
Pawkyfirst to lend, first to get... and if its taxes, it preceds all08:16
tbrfirst come the largest debtors08:16
Pawkyno.. first tax08:16
tbryes, state entities are completely above that08:16
Pawkythen largest... then probably oldest claim...08:16
phlixiits not unusual to be the same (largest debt and tax) :-)08:17
Stskeepstbr: looks like same deal though, proof of debt sent to trustee08:17
Pawkyon the bright sid, i got my phone back from repairs today :-)08:17
StskeepsCreditors must complete a Proof of Debt Form in order to prove for any debt contracted by the bankrupt and submit it to the Provisional Trustee/Trustee together with any supporting documentary evidence and a non-refundable filing fee of $35. The filing fee is waived in the case of claims for wages/salary or debts not exceeding $250. At the general meeting of creditors, only proving creditors have the right to vote on the appointment of :08:17
Pawkyif they will be going bust, that would certainly not have happened08:17
Pawkyahh.. wages, comes after tax :-)08:18
Pawkytax man, employees, the rest08:18
phlixii am scared by the details Stskeeps has on this... this might mean we are closer to that as we might think right now :D08:18
tbrPawky: depends™. companies can operate seemingly just fine from the outside and then BOOM next day everything folds08:18
Stskeepsphlixi: i'm an information vampire, i google things if i don't know the answer.08:18
phlixi:-)08:18
Stskeepsdoesn't have anything to do with reality08:18
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Pawkybut, compared to other companies, they already had the money before creating the device...08:19
Pawkyso, it cant be lack of funds. '08:19
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ZiNkDamn, and here I am, just got my jolla phone. Damn, hope jolla can survive.08:20
phlixiPawky: i hope you do not actually believe, that those few euros are enough to keep the companie(s) alive... they sold a few thousand devices and have to pay 100 people... do the math08:20
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Stskeepsphlixi: a few euros can buy a lot of ramen08:21
Stskeeps:p08:21
lainwir3dand coffee08:21
lainwir3dand ramen + coffee = extras hours of work08:21
* Stskeeps ponders going out for steak08:22
ZiNkYou get what you pay for.08:22
phlixiwhat is "ramen"?08:23
tbrStskeeps: enjoy, after all, I paid for it. ;-)08:23
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Stskeepstbr: :P08:23
Sail0rhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2015/10/system-update-sailfish-os-20-saimaa.html#more08:24
caitlinbI’m on diaspora :P08:24
locusfme too as of 12 minutes :p08:25
locusfhave been putting it off for far too long08:25
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TeguI made an account to diaspora when it was in the limited mode (you got an invite to mail). never really used it nor do I remember the account08:26
caitlinbi run a flipping pod :/08:26
paviGuys anyone coming back to diaspora , please use the german pods like geraspora or diasp.eu08:27
Nicd-what is it flipping?08:27
paviDont go for Joindiaspora , its all exhausted and dead.08:27
locusfNicd-: flipping, as in british way of saying "bloody"08:27
locusfjust nicer08:27
pavicaitlinb: whats your diaspora id ?08:28
Nicd-locusf: yes, I was joking08:28
Pawkyis there any sane way to skip the introductory thing on the phone?08:28
locusfNicd-: ah, /s could of course be cool :)08:28
locusfPawky: touch top left corner, continue touching courners clockwise08:28
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Pawkythat doesnt work...08:29
Tegujust hit the power button?08:29
Teguquickly08:29
Armadilloworks for me08:29
Tegunot sure if the power button works on the first time08:30
Teguat least it works when running the teaching app again08:30
Nicd-locusf: I leave that to the reader08:30
Pawkybut not first time :-(08:31
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Pawkyshold the screen go black when restoring from backup?08:33
Pawkygetting the feeling my phone just turned into Schroedingers cat...08:34
phlixithen do not open the box and it might still be alive08:35
Pawkyits a very black box....08:35
lainwir3dor a black cat ?08:35
lainwir3da big black cat inside a tiny white box08:35
Pawkythats why its so hard to se if its alive...08:36
Pawkyblack is the new orange...08:36
locusfPawky: lemme guess, patches?08:36
Pawkyhmm... you mean the firmware is newer than the backup?08:37
Pawkyor vice versa?08:37
Pawkyah.. its alive! :-)08:38
Pawkymy cat is alive08:38
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Pawkyduh? doesnt the mail client come as standard in the phone08:39
phlixinope08:40
phlixiiirc even the clock app comes from the store (allthough clock as well as mail is a "jolla app"08:41
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Pawkya new upate available :-)08:48
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Pawky(or atleast for me there is...)08:51
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nh1402wait Jolla is bankrupt, what happens now then a lawyer comes in to sell of what they can to reduce the debt as much as possible and then shuts it down?10:00
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Nicd-who said Jolla is bankrupt?10:01
ggabriel</troll>10:01
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nh1402i thought someone mentioned it earlier10:01
ggabrielwait google is bankrupt10:01
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lainwir3dbanks are bankrupt10:01
Nicd-but yes, when a company goes bankrupt they usually try to sell as much as they can to reduce the debt and then shut down operations10:01
Nicd-nh1402: Jolla is not bankrupt10:01
ggabrielmcdonald's is bankrupt10:01
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nh1402oh must have misread the log then10:02
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ggabrielNicd- is right10:02
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ggabrielthey also get assigned an administrator who gets first dibs in their bills getting paid for doing that10:02
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lainwir3dso, cheap Jolla tablets ?10:03
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lainwir3dawesome10:03
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ggabrieland phones :)10:03
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lainwir3d:D10:03
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ggabrielaltho... nokia has been pretty low and yet a new n900 is still 200 gbp10:03
nh1402well Nicd- just said they aren't bankrupt, so don't get your hopes up10:03
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nh1402while I'm still here would anyone like to help with android app support for ported devices?10:06
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ggabrieli'd love to, but i guess i need a) a ported device; b) time10:07
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nh1402here's the logcat log if anyone has any ideas why zygote/system server crashes amongst other things and have potential fixes, then let me know10:08
nh1402https://bpaste.net/show/86c3aa148d7f10:08
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Pawkyhas no one still written a firewall gui like Droidwall? Am I the only one who would like to limit which apps get to use the network etc?10:15
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PawkyOne would really like to limit what all the android apps are doing ina Xprivate and Droidwall fascion10:17
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ggabrielPawky: open a tjc for that? there are plans for selinux in the roadmap, maybe that'll help10:18
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nh1402i was going to say that if alien dalvik updates to android 6.0 then you could switch off things like internet access for individual apps, but I don't think you can access the android settings in alien dalvik10:18
nh1402you could actually do it in custom roms like paranoid android10:19
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Pawkycustom roms...?  for jolla? :-)10:19
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nh1402custom android roms10:19
fluxthis is the nth time release notes mentions phonehook and patchmanager, why can't the upgrade just do it automatically.. ;-)10:20
PawkyI just wish Xprivacy and Droidwall was available...10:20
ggabrielflux: because next you'll have a patch manager 2.0 and the upgrade won't know about that? any hack is the user's responsibility anyway10:20
nh1402well if someone helps me with getting android apps to work on ported devices, then you could theoretically install xposed modules and custom roms (which have caf kernels)10:21
fluxggabriel, well, the user probably won't either10:21
fluxggabriel, likely the folks internally at jolla also test this, some using stuff from the repos, which is how they found the issue in the first place10:21
ggabrielthey'll learn when they have to factory reset and lose all their data ;)10:21
TemeVflux: actually, phonehook issue was detected in the field10:22
fluxggabriel, and then there is the group of people that know that they should remove it, but forget or accidentally press the start or something.10:22
ggabrielflux: jolla publicly said that they do _not_ test releases with external patches10:22
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fluxggabriel, well, there's testing and there's testing. do they only test the release in the lab? or push it to their employees?10:22
ggabrielit is safe to upgrade with certai npatches if you know what you're doing10:22
fluxand do such employees never use non-repo apps?10:22
ggabrielflux: you need a known baseline10:23
ggabrielespecially one you have some control on10:23
TemeVJolla has no way to test all the carbage in open repos10:23
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fluxtemev, obviously not. but this is the list of two packages they have known for a year or so.10:24
ggabrielhaving said all that, you could put a hook in the upgrade process where patch manager and friends listen for an upgrade event, uninstall everything and so on10:24
TemeVflux: yes, they mention those, because they know those have caused trouble10:24
ggabrielthat is probably a cleaner approach, and the responsibility would be with those that customise rather than the os itself10:24
fluxI think it would be maybe 50 lines of code to do a dirty "if package X is installed, show a red text and disable the upgrade button" feature.10:25
ggabrielTemeV has a point... all these notes about switching stuff off are there due to field discovery10:25
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ggabrielflux: but how do you know X?10:25
Pawkyduh?... shouldnt a restore actually restore all your e-mail accounts and such???10:25
fluxggabriel, well how do they know to write about it to the release notes?10:26
fluxggabriel, _exactly_ the same way!10:26
ggabrielflux: field testing10:26
TemeVflux: they caused trouble in previous updates10:26
ggabrielflux: you are suggesting that jolla constantly updates X based on user experience10:26
ggabrielwhich is an approach, I won't argue10:26
ggabrielI like the hook better10:26
ggabrielbut ultimately it's the user's responsibility10:26
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fluxwell, this is now being field tested, by the early birds.10:27
fluxnext it will become an actual release, pushed to everyone10:27
fluxand it will still have the same text, "you'll likely mess it up, if you have these"10:27
fluxinstead of just solving it technically ;)10:27
TemeVyes, and there might come up something new, which they will (propably) add those to the list also10:28
ggabrielbut you can't resolve it consistently10:28
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fluxtemev, you make it sounds sooo tedious. won't they update the release notes as well to reflect the fact?10:28
TemeVflux: what do you mean?10:28
fluxthe fact is also that there aren't going to be so many packages that are going to break the upgrade10:29
fluxonly these kind of things that go 'below' the surface10:29
TemeVwell, patches alone are quite many packages10:29
fluxthey have a certain pattern in the package names,no?10:29
TemeVmaybe10:29
ggabrielnot necessarily10:29
fluxand some base patch manager package?10:29
TemeVthere is nothing to guarantee that10:30
ggabrielnot necessarily either (e.g., openrepos)10:30
ggabrielso it isn't trivial10:30
TemeVopenrepos doesn't really have rules that devs have to obey10:30
fluxwell, it's suggested even in the openrepos, isn't it? I haven't actually used patchmanager yet.10:30
fluxie. when a person wants to do new patch, they probably look first the current best practices10:30
TemeVsuggested maybe, not forced10:30
fluxI wasn't suggesting the safety would be fool proof. as you so clearly have mentioned multiple times, jolla cannot check against all incompatbilities in the field.10:31
TemeVyes, and if isn't fool proof, what's the point of it?10:31
TemeVyou still have to remove all the hacks before updating10:32
fluxexactly! if something isn't fool proof, it shouldn't be done at all!10:32
fluxis it fool proof to mention it in the release notes?10:32
TemeVkind of10:32
Pawkydoes any one know the point of being able to backup when restore doesnt restore your accounts?10:32
TemeVPawky: for me it does restore10:32
Pawkyweird...10:32
TemeVflux: technical solution that isn't 100% working just gives you false feeling of safety10:34
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lainwir3dblog post : https://blog.jolla.com/early-access-sailfish-os-2-0-saimaa/10:44
Pawkywhen was the official 2.0.0.10 released?10:48
StskeepsEA was yesterday10:48
HartziPawky: everyting betweed few days to few weeks10:49
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Hartzibetween*10:49
Pawkythought so... because I got it before sending the phone in..10:49
tadzikYou can now pick your favorite settings shortcuts to be shown in the Events view of the Jolla phone10:49
tadzikoh gawd, is this heaven10:49
Pawky:-)10:49
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lainwir3dtadzik: yeah, and the result is quite nice10:50
tadzikand it seems like 1.1.9 happened quite recently10:52
tadziksearches in PDFs? :o10:52
baumby chance anyone is aware of a tool/script/option which automaticly stops the android support if no android app is running?10:54
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chem|stbaum: there are always android apps running when android support is running...11:02
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coderusbaum: schturman had something similar on openrepos, but i dont trust his apps, try on own risk :)11:03
baumchem|st: if that's the case, it's quite scary :)11:03
baumoh btw, came across a fancy bug: you can't un-install android apps unless the android support is running11:04
chem|stbaum: it is android11:04
baumcoderus: means they are closed source?11:04
ggabrieltaht's not a bug, it's a feature11:04
chem|stbaum: to uninstall somethign from a system that system needs to be running11:05
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bauma bug is only a feature if you can turn it off :P11:05
chem|stbaum: nope11:05
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chem|stthat is called a setting11:05
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baumchem|st: the expected behaviour of removing an android app (while the engine isn't running) would be: try to start android&remove it || remove the apps data from the disk without android11:07
baumhowever, that there is simply no action at all makes it seem like a bug11:08
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Pawkylol11:14
Pawkyoh.. to slow11:15
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Teguhm, has all new notes become white in the notes app for others? as if it has run out of colors and spits only white now instead of randomly rotating the colors11:36
Lieke_still colored here11:37
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Teguweird11:38
eugenionew notes are white to me since a loooong time11:39
eugenioohhhh nice11:41
eugenioit seems that the notes app is going to be open sourced11:41
eugeniotriple license GPL2/LGPL2/agreement-with-Jolla11:42
Stskeepsmaybe eventually11:42
Stskeepsuntil it happens, it's not11:42
Stskeeps:P11:42
eugeniojust looking at the code and its header :)11:42
Teguyea, they have been white for a long time as well11:45
eugenioError: no such table: next_color_index Unable to execute statement11:45
eugenioTegu, which SailfishOS version was your phone shipped with?11:46
Teguah yea, somehow it never come to my mind to try to run it on terminal11:46
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Tegueugenio: hm, don't remember it about this one. (previous was early ones, maybe first or second update. this one I got in warranty replacement)11:47
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Tegucan it be shown somewhere?11:47
Teguor maybe I just check the update timelines11:47
eugeniowith a factory reset11:47
eugenio:D11:47
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Teguya! I will do it just to resolve the version :)11:48
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eugeniodon't know if you can mount the factory snapshot elsewhere and read /etc/sailfish-release11:48
eugeniook so I don't have that table at all11:50
Teguperhaps Tahkalampi (1.0.8.21) or Vaarainjärvi (1.1.1.26)11:51
eugenioook11:51
eugeniomine came with Ohijarvi (1.0.4.xx)11:51
Tegunot uitukka (which was in between, but opt-in)11:51
Tegubut hm, I got these notes through the backup system from the previous phone, so maybe that affects11:52
eugenioit may be11:52
eugenioI think I'll shamelessly create the table and then file a bug at TJC11:52
eugenio(if there isn't one already)11:53
Teguwhich was Kaajanlampi or Laadunjärvi (the 2 first updates)11:53
Teguyea, thought about having a look at the sqlite database as well11:53
eugenioyay, seems to work now :)11:54
eugeniook so you have a DB in ~/.local/share/jolla-notes/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases/11:55
eugenioopen it with sqlite3 from a terminal (maybe take a backup before)11:55
eugeniothen CREATE TABLE next_color_index (value INTEGER);11:55
eugenioand INSERT INTO next_color_index VALUES (0);11:55
Tegujust took a backup yesterday as I updated to 1.1.911:55
Teguhow did you resolve the table format?11:55
eugeniolooked at the code :)11:56
Teguah, it says "notes.js" in the error message11:56
Teguduh11:56
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eugeniothere is also a nice upgradeSchema() function11:56
eugeniothat it don't seem to work (but that may be related to the backup, as my Notes database has been also restored from a backup)11:57
Teguyea, the backup probably messed it up11:58
eugeniothat's great, this bug midly pissed me off for the past year or so11:58
Teguhaha11:58
eugenionever bothered to look at the error messages though :D11:58
Teguand took like 10 minutes to resolve for you :D11:58
eugeniowill make a post on TJC11:58
Teguoki good11:59
TeguI never bothered to change the color of all of the notes :D11:59
Teguso there is just white everywhere11:59
eugeniothe same, I have a bunch of white notes11:59
eugeniook, there is a bug already filed (and TJC's search mechanism actually found it!)12:00
Teguboom it works :D thanks12:01
eugenio:D12:01
Tegunow I just wish it stored dates as well.. but that's another story12:02
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coderusbaum: no, means he is not a programmer, just copypasting some random bash lines, don't even understand how things works :)12:33
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HtheB_tigeli: hi!12:41
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HtheBI am still wondering why TeamViewer is *NOT* working on Jolla :( it crashes right after you try to login on a remote desktop12:42
MoritzJT_It used to work...12:43
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tadzikhmm, there's no blinky delay in pulley menus if you pull all the way up and tap12:43
MoritzJT_tried all the old versions? I think it was a SailfishOS update broke it12:43
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Aciidteamviewer is pretty heavy12:47
HtheBAciid: no its not12:47
HtheBOld version worked fine ;)12:47
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HtheBThere is something that Jolla misses (dalvik issues?)12:48
tore_anyone know how to make android browser/e-mail client the default for opening http/mailto urls?12:53
ggabrielyay, first battery drain complaint spotted in tmo12:54
tabasko_jeaaah, updated to 2.0 and now phone is permanently in airplane mode. Settings app crashes at start :D12:55
tabasko_eg, how I disable airplane mode from terminal?12:55
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titilambertHello!13:02
titilambertIs there someone who upgraded to 2.0.0.10 ?13:02
PeperJohnnyyup13:02
titilambertI have this problem; https://together.jolla.com/question/116139/bug-20010-upgrade-failed-wlan-networking-broken-11930/13:03
titilambertSo I'm looking for the sbj-wlan rpm13:03
titilambertfor 2.0.0.10 version13:03
baumcoderus: i see, by chance you could give me a link to the script? sadly i didn't manage to find it13:04
titilambertPeperJohnny: could you help me ? please13:06
PeperJohnnytitilambert: any idea where the file could be ?13:06
titilambertyeah !13:07
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titilambert2 sec please :_13:07
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titilambertPeperJohnny: maybe somewhere in /home/.pk-zypp-dist-upgrade-cache/packages13:09
tabasko_https://kurnu.org/index.php/s/nJAWIxxXMhRSVaH13:09
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titilambertPeperJohnny: could type :  pkcon search name wlan13:10
titilambertJust to know which version do you have13:10
PeperJohnnysbj-wlan-0.2.6-10.21.1.jolla.armv7hl13:10
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titilambertPeperJohnny: thanks !13:13
titilambertI got it !13:13
PeperJohnnytitilambert: dind't find anything yet13:13
titilambertI will post the solution right now13:13
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PeperJohnnyOk13:13
titilambertPeperJohnny: It's really strange13:18
titilambertThis package was downgraded from 1.1.9.30 to 2.0.0.10 ...13:18
titilambertOn 1.1.9.30 I got sbj-wlan-0.2.6-10.21.4.jolla.armv7hl13:19
PeperJohnnyyeah that's what pkcon told me, that .4 is available13:19
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titilambertnot cool :/13:19
titilambertPeperJohnny:  Don't get it ! :)13:19
PeperJohnnyI won't =)13:20
titilambert:D13:20
titilambertPeperJohnny: anyway - THANKS !13:20
PeperJohnnyYou're welcome13:20
PeperJohnnyYour jolla working again?13:21
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titilambertI get  wifi back13:28
titilambertPeperJohnny: I'm still trying to download the upgrade13:28
titilambertPeperJohnny: The progress bar does NOT progress :D13:28
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PeperJohnnytitilambert: on my phone the download progress bar just moved after about 1/3 of the dl i think13:31
titilambertPeperJohnny: Oki, How long >13:34
titilambertPeperJohnny: Oki, How long ?13:34
titilambertPeperJohnny: Oki, How long it takes ?13:34
PeperJohnnyUhm i think it was 10 Minutes13:34
titilambertoki, I will let it for 20 minutes, after I will try something13:35
titilambertthanks13:35
PeperJohnnyyou're welcome13:35
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coderusbaum: no i'm not keeping suck links13:47
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schmittlauchHi there, anybody here who wants to help me debugging my phone?14:55
TemeVsure, what's your problem?14:56
schmittlauchI have the "No wifi after update" problem https://together.jolla.com/question/116139/bug-20010-upgrade-failed-wlan-networking-broken-11930/?sort=votes&page=114:56
schmittlauchI managed to get the logfiles off my phone, don't know whether that's a help or not14:57
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TemeVand you don't have any other way to connect to internet?14:59
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TemeVto retry the update14:59
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schmittlauchI may try to download it over 3G, but if it failed once, why shouldn't it fail again?15:02
schmittlauchOther people in the same thread have reported that retrying didn't work.15:03
TemeVoh, I didn't read that carefully :)15:03
TemeVI'd just try version --dup from terminal15:03
schmittlauchOh, someone just found a possible solution(?)15:04
schmittlauchGonna try it now15:04
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HtheBfound a bug on 2.0.10 :)15:51
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HtheBactually, 215:51
HtheB1) no popup letter is shown when typing15:51
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HtheB2) I've updated one of my android apps, and now I have 2 apps on my app drawer... one is somehow named "ubForm", and it doesn't do anything :/15:52
tabasko_is there way to factory reset without accessing settings?15:54
ggabrieltabasko_: through recovery menu15:54
tabasko_ggabriel: how I get there?15:54
ggabrieltabasko_: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20470960715:55
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* baum is kinda scared of the next update after reading today's irc log =P15:58
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coderusbaum: actually it's same things ater each update15:58
coderusnothing new for me in irc after this update :)15:59
baumheh, i15:59
ggabrieli remember only 1 update that went pretty much straight from ea to ga, the rest all had some kind of trouble15:59
baum'm scary with updating since the last one15:59
baumi wasn't reachable on my phone for a week....=/15:59
ggabrieli hope i get updates like those, especially on the work phone16:00
schmittlauchcoderus: There have been issues with wifi before?16:00
nh1402baum:  how are you with android porting, I could use some help getting android apps working on ported devices16:00
coderusschmittlauch: for me this issue looks like wrong version of kernel, not matching modules16:00
ggabrielcoderus: but surely that'd affect everybody16:01
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baumnh1402: never had problems porting something so far, all apks i tried worked out of the box16:01
coderusggabriel: surely not everybody16:01
schmittlauchcoderus: So I better stay on 1.1.9.30 for a while? I've got my wifi working again16:01
coderusone can try to reinstall modules package and report16:01
nh1402baum: for android devices that have had sailfish ported to it, (which don't have alien dalvik)16:02
ggabrielcoderus: i guess i meant that if they shipped the wrong kernel/module, then everybody will have the same problem16:02
ggabrielunless you're assuming that the problem presents itself only when the update is cancelled for xyz reason16:02
coderusggabriel: yes update is cancelled16:02
baumnh1402: oh, you mean porting sailfish apps on android?16:02
ggabrielk16:02
coderusand modules werent updated16:02
ggabrielyeah, that makes sense16:03
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nh1402baum: no, I mean running android apps in Sailfish on Android phones (eg Nexus 5)16:03
baumnh1402: never tried that, sorry. kinda wondering though - why can't you run alien dalvik on it?16:04
coderustry reinstall kernel-adaptation-sbj16:04
nh1402baum: proprietary closed source software16:04
nh1402Jolla has a license for it, but that's only for their own phone and tablet (and probably intex phones).16:05
baumoh, the irony16:05
Stskeepsnh1402: a little different: for sailfish licencees16:06
coderusbut also adaptation for each hw is very different16:06
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Yanielhmm my wifi works just fine16:09
Yanielis this tablet-specific or do I just have some fairy dust stuck in my jolla16:09
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nh1402baum: so would you like to help16:09
baumnh1402: i'm sorry but i got no idea how i could help you.16:19
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baumnh1402: oh, now i do have an idea, if i got everything right you'd simply need to compile dalvik for your platform?16:21
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tabasko_ggabriel: thanks, actually I can get shell too from recovery. Which was memorycards name under /dev?16:26
tabasko_trying to save photos from internal memory :)16:26
ggabrieltabasko_: if you mean emmc, that's mmcblk0p2816:27
ggabrielsd cad i assume you don't need to backup16:27
ggabrieli suggest you mount home and back it up though, way easier16:27
tabasko_ggabriel: I'm going to copy /home/nemo to sdcard16:30
tigeliHtheB: hi.. to be honest teamviewer seems bit of a crap :D16:31
tabasko_cant scp from telnet :)16:31
tabasko_but it seems /home/nemo isnt at mmcblk0p2816:31
ggabrieltabasko_: that's what I normally do16:31
tabasko_sdcard is mmcblk1p116:31
tabasko_ggabriel: scp trough telnet?16:31
ggabrieltabasko_: it's there, it's a different subvol though16:31
ggabrieltabasko_: nope, copy to sd card16:31
ggabrieltabasko_: in fact, tar to sdcard, it's even faster16:31
tabasko_yeah, have to set up cronjob for that. Annoying when this happens :D16:32
ggabrielthe zendesk link I gave you should have a couple of mount examples16:32
tabasko_ah, sorry16:34
tabasko_must learn to rtfm16:34
chem|sttabasko_: you ok or do you need some more help?16:35
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tabasko_chem|st: I think I can manage my own now. Backupped whole home and did factory reset :)16:42
tabasko_but yeah, I upgraded to 2.0.10 and that broke my settings app16:42
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tabasko_and phone was in airplane mode. Managed to get connection by doing pkcon refresh which caused connection popup to show16:43
schmittlauchtabasko_: How did that happen? (I'm still at 1.1.9.30 and want to know what to take care of)16:43
tabasko_and tried to do pkcon upgrade because there was still notification offering OS upgrade. After that reboot, and tadah only white screen :)16:44
chem|sttabasko_: you could just have changed the state and reboot...16:44
chem|sttabasko_: and yeah pkcon upgrade is not that a good idea16:44
tabasko_schmittlauch: dunno. I dont use patches or any mods. 1.1.9.30 upgrade went fine16:44
tabasko_chem|st: it seems so16:44
tabasko_chem|st: what you mean by changed state16:44
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chem|sttabasko_: cahnge flightmode to wlan on16:45
arhuh, 2.0.10?16:45
chem|star: .0.16:45
arwhy does my 1.1.9.28 say it's up-to-date?16:45
chem|star: early access?16:45
tabasko_chem|st: yeah. But I was still annoyed not having settings app16:45
arhm16:45
archem|st: ah, one of the options under developer mode?16:46
tabasko_also store was only showing white screen16:46
chem|sttabasko_: yaeh but then you can use the terminal to fix it16:46
tabasko_ar: no. You have to opt-in from your jolla account16:46
tabasko_from jollas site16:46
arhmm16:46
artabasko_: link?16:46
chem|star: your jolla account16:47
tabasko_https://kurnu.org/index.php/apps/files_sharing/ajax/publicpreview.php?x=1920&y=659&a=true&file=jollasettingsfail.png&t=nJAWIxxXMhRSVaH&scalingup=016:47
chem|staccounts.jolla.com16:47
chem|stor something16:47
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tabasko_this showed up when I tried to start settings from term16:47
chem|sttabasko_: yeah well, you need to recover... wont start from terminal...16:47
chem|stand it is probably something that has a settings item16:48
schmittlauchssu --dup failed with "Authentication failed". Any ideas?16:49
chem|stssu --dup?16:49
schmittlauchsorry, version --dup16:49
chem|stjolla account setup?16:49
schmittlauchI can access the store.16:50
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chem|styou are attempting to upgrade from .30 to 2. right?16:50
chem|stmaybe do _not_ circumwent the GUI for early access?16:51
chem|stvent16:51
schmittlauchyes, as the 2 update failed and left my without working wifi. wifi is fixed now, but update won't download again from GUI16:51
chem|stso it shows but does not load?16:52
chem|streset your jolla account16:52
schmittlauchYes. The progress bar stops moving after some millimeters.16:52
schmittlauchOk, will try16:52
chem|stor wait,16:52
chem|sttry16:52
chem|stssu ur16:52
chem|stpkcon refresh16:52
chem|stand wait for errors16:53
tabasko_eww, revcovery image was 1.0.8.1916:53
schmittlauchalready removed account. Let's see what that brings.16:53
tabasko_this means whole friday night upgrading16:53
tabasko_might need some beer with this16:53
schmittlauchtabasko_: Good old days, huh?16:53
tabasko_schmittlauch: really16:54
tabasko_old ui want that bad either16:54
tabasko_*wasnt16:54
chem|sttabasko_: that is quiet fast, it should go 1.1.x twice then 2.016:54
tabasko_chem|st: okay. I was afraid that I have to upgrade whole path to latest :)16:55
chem|stno16:55
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schmittlauchchem|st: Thanks for your help, but both tips didn't work. I removed and added my Jolla account. ssu ur. pkcon refresh -> "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)"17:01
schmittlauchssu s says "Device registration status: not registered" May that be an issue?17:05
coderusschmittlauch: ssu domain sales17:06
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HtheBtigeli: crap is not a solution you know :P17:08
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HtheBsaying it's crap because Jolla can't handle it, is not something what I would like to see :P xD17:09
schmittlauchcoderus: It's already at sales17:09
coderusshow ssu s output17:09
schmittlauch# ssu s17:09
schmittlauchDevice registration status: not registered17:09
schmittlauchDevice model: Jolla (SbJ / JP-1301)17:09
schmittlauchDevice UID: 35974505008929817:09
schmittlauchRelease: 2.0.0.1017:09
schmittlauchDomain: sales17:10
HtheBcoderus: I've found a glitch/bug on the Launcher patch (Don't know if it's already been addressed)17:10
coderusHtheB: i don't know also before you describe it17:10
coderusschmittlauch: ssu lr also17:10
schmittlauchI'm still on 1.1.9.30 because the update didn't succeed17:10
HtheBwhen you open an app, and quickly open the app drawer again to open another app17:10
coderususe pastebin please)17:10
HtheBit will somehow not show any apps anymore17:10
schmittlauchcoderus: home is not activated17:10
HtheBuntill you restart HS17:10
HtheB(or reboot)17:10
coderusschmittlauch: post list to pastebin17:11
HtheBthe app drawer will be empty17:11
coderusHtheB: no idea, never had this bug17:11
tigeliHtheB: don17:11
schmittlauchcoderus: https://gist.github.com/schmittlauch/217a556e246d92d6fd3a17:11
tigeliHtheB: argh, don't know about teamviewer on jolla but I've seen how it work generally on linux :D17:12
HtheBtigeli: on Linux, it's just Windows build using Wine17:12
tigeliHtheB: and iirc it was some sort or wine+hack+hack+hack-thing17:12
tigeliyeah :D17:12
HtheBI'm a Windows user, as all other people who I know (family and friends)17:12
HtheBso Teamviewer is a must for me :P17:13
tigeliHtheB: don't get me wrong.. I've used it to support OSX/Win-users in my previous life17:13
coderusschmittlauch: looks okay, should refresh repositories with no  problems17:13
HtheBfunny fact: Old version of Teamviewer worked just very fine....17:13
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chem|sttigeli: my current life, I use it as a remote to my machines (machines as in analytical equipment)17:13
schmittlauchcoderus: I know, but it doesn't. Already tried removing and adding Jolla account.17:13
tigeliHtheB: I switched to chrome remote desktop to support my family ;)17:14
chem|sttigeli: iirc there is at least a .deb for it out there17:14
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tigelichem|st: yes.. I think so too17:14
HtheBtigeli: any idea what is the reason why it just doesnt work?17:14
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tigeliHtheB: no idea, would have to try it17:15
HtheBlets try it :D17:15
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tigeliHtheB: https://together.jolla.com/question/36604/android-debug-traces/17:15
tigeliHtheB: can you provide the logs for me?17:16
HtheBSure17:16
schmittlauchThis is the first Sailfish update I have issues with17:16
HtheBI remember we did this before though :P17:16
* HtheB does it again17:16
schmittlauchcoderus: Shall I contact care?17:16
tigeliHtheB: currently I'm not really in the mood debuggint anything (have been fighting with gnutls the whole day)17:16
chem|stschmittlauch: well... what caused the wlan stuff?17:16
tigeliHtheB: can't remember :D17:16
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chem|sttigeli: let me guess, you lost the battle17:17
tigelichem|st: nope :D17:17
schmittlauchchem|st: It seems the update failed between updating kernel and wifi modules, so the modules didn't match. See https://together.jolla.com/question/116139/bug-20010-upgrade-failed-wlan-networking-broken-11930/?sort=votes&page=117:17
chem|stuhuh :)17:17
tigelichem|st: https://together.jolla.com/question/116115/bug-xmpp-not-working-anymore/17:17
tigelichem|st: it was about that17:17
coderusschmittlauch: post in tjc first17:18
coderushope you can find help there17:18
HtheBcoderus: could you reproduce the bug?17:18
schmittlauchcoderus: I guess it's there https://together.jolla.com/question/116139/bug-20010-upgrade-failed-wlan-networking-broken-11930/?sort=votes&page=117:18
chem|stschmittlauch: you might want to version --dup the .30 first then17:18
chem|stmaybe something is still not right17:18
coderus22:11 < HtheB> the app drawer will be empty17:18
coderus22:11 < coderus> HtheB: no idea, never had this bug17:18
schmittlauchchem|st: so ssu version 1.1.9.30 && version --dup?17:19
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chem|stso annoying, 2 years we call it launcher and all for a sudden someone prints app-drawer in a manual17:19
coderushttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/touchevd_test-0.2.0-1.i486.rpm17:19
chem|stssu re 1.1.9.3017:19
chem|stschmittlauch: ^17:19
tigelichem|st: what's app-drawer? :D17:19
coderusmultitouch PoC with ForceTouch suupport :D17:19
* chem|st slaps tigeli with a void string17:19
coderuslaunch touchevd_test on tablet in terminal17:20
coderus(might freeze if more than two fingers used)17:20
tigelichem|st: I probably have not got the memo :D17:20
chem|sttigeli: me neither17:20
schmittlauchchem|st: still auth failed17:20
chem|sttigeli: I kept correcting people until I RTFMed the printed tablet manual17:20
chem|sttigeli: any clue about auth failure^17:21
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chem|stschmittlauch: did you touch the developer upgrade stuff?17:21
HtheBtigeli: where is the output?17:22
HtheB(how to extract or read the log of logcat)17:22
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schmittlauchtigeli: I touched the `ssu register thing, but only while trying to resolve exactly this issue17:23
tigeliHtheB: copy-paste it to somehwere :D17:23
chem|stHtheB: logcat $options > file.log17:23
HtheBchem|st: thanks17:24
tigelischmittlauch: what does "ssu domain" show?17:24
chem|stand it is probably in /opt/alien/ somewhere as file17:24
schmittlauchtigeli: sales. ssu s output: https://gist.github.com/schmittlauch/217a556e246d92d6fd3a17:25
chem|st19:10 < schmittlauch> Domain: sales17:25
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tigelischmittlauch: first of all, disable those openrepos-repositories17:26
HtheBtigeli: check pm17:26
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HtheBtigeli: is there a reason to disable the enhance logs again?17:28
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schmittlauchtigeli: Done, auth-issue remains17:31
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tigeliHtheB: no, they will get disabled after reboot eventually17:32
tigelischmittlauch: can you remove and re-add your jolla-account from the settings->accounts?17:33
schmittlauchtigeli: Already done that.17:33
schmittlauchtigeli: including reboot17:34
HartziI had similar issue before the update17:34
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HartziI think that the utilities app fixed the problem17:35
tigelischmittlauch: can I get "pkcon refresh" output?17:36
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schmittlauchtigeli: the update gui is trying to download the update in background. Does this affect version --dup?17:37
tigelischmittlauch: yes it will17:37
schmittlauchtigelis how can I stop it?17:38
tigeliI can't tell if there a nice way to do it, but killing packaged will definitely stop it17:38
schmittlauchtigeli: https://gist.github.com/schmittlauch/e911039d81544ff36e3e17:39
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schmittlauchtigeli: and still the same after killing packagekitd17:40
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caitlincan jolla do airplay?17:44
chem|sttigeli: pkill store-client17:44
HtheBtigeli: check pm again :)17:45
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TeguI just realized that horizontal (as in, the line is vertical) puleys still have the old style in 1.1.9. has that changed in 2.0.0?18:12
coderusTegu: no idea what you talking about18:15
HarhaanJohtajayou mean Irc or Haikala18:16
HarhaanJohtaja?18:16
HarhaanJohtajaor some else app?18:17
Teguyea, just like in IRC app18:18
HarhaanJohtajait is the old style18:18
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Yanielprobabl because they aren't silica pulleys?18:21
Teguoh, silica does not have that kind of pulleys?18:23
YanielAFAIK not18:25
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cehtehi need a quote: would anyone of you be interested in cheap thermoformed other halfs. just raw plastic for diy projects18:34
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