#jollamobile log for Monday, 2015-10-26

*** txtptc_ <txtptc_!~txtp@dsl-trebrasgw2-54fb20-218.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)00:05
*** sdfr <sdfr!~sdfr@unaffiliated/tumppu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)00:06
*** Sequenced <Sequenced!~Sequenced@37-219-97-43.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)00:06
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile00:16
*** tomcat_berlin_ <tomcat_berlin_!~thomas@f052065154.adsl.alicedsl.de> has joined #jollamobile00:19
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)00:20
*** imunsie <imunsie!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #jollamobile00:21
*** tomcat_berlin <tomcat_berlin!~thomas@f052229063.adsl.alicedsl.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)00:22
*** the_mgt_ <the_mgt_!~ich@unaffiliated/the-mgt/x-9897421> has joined #jollamobile00:27
*** noume <noume!~noume@85-22-27-46.ip.dokom21.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)00:27
*** the_mgt <the_mgt!~ich@unaffiliated/the-mgt/x-9897421> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)00:30
*** the_mgt_ is now known as the_mgt00:30
*** corvinux <corvinux!~corvinux@mail.hash.si> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)00:32
*** corvinux <corvinux!~corvinux@mail.hash.si> has joined #jollamobile00:32
*** txtptc_ <txtptc_!~txtp@dsl-trebrasgw2-54fb20-218.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile00:33
*** Teemu <Teemu!uid15744@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xjmqepiwbgxjsuez> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)00:33
*** pdanek <pdanek!~orech@89.100.141.94> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)00:33
*** sdfr <sdfr!~sdfr@unaffiliated/tumppu> has joined #jollamobile00:34
*** phaeron <phaeron!~phaeron@82-181-126-164.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)00:34
*** tomcat_berlin_ <tomcat_berlin_!~thomas@f052065154.adsl.alicedsl.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)00:41
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile00:49
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)00:52
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile00:56
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)00:58
*** rigo <rigo!~rigo@2400:4040:0:23:2677:3ff:fe31:b038> has joined #jollamobile01:10
*** towhatend <towhatend!~alex@h-12-9.a329.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)01:10
*** amccarthy_ is now known as amccarthy01:15
*** corvinux <corvinux!~corvinux@mail.hash.si> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)01:18
*** birdzhang_afk <birdzhang_afk!~birdzhang@183.61.112.4> has joined #jollamobile01:21
*** MoritzJT <MoritzJT!~chrome@ip-178-203-193-231.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #jollamobile01:23
MoritzJTAnyone here familiar with together.jolla.com structure?01:23
MoritzJTOn how to convert a question from a now fulfilled feature request into a bugtracker report question... Would that be frowned upon?01:24
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@117.136.12.121> has joined #jollamobile01:28
*** rigo <rigo!~rigo@2400:4040:0:23:2677:3ff:fe31:b038> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)01:30
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)01:32
*** chriadam|away is now known as chriadam01:35
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile01:35
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@117.136.12.121> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)01:37
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile01:41
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)01:43
*** korsakov <korsakov!~korsakov@unaffiliated/korsakov> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)01:44
*** MoritzJT <MoritzJT!~chrome@ip-178-203-193-231.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)01:52
*** imunsie_ <imunsie_!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #jollamobile01:56
*** imunsie <imunsie!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)01:59
*** corvinux <corvinux!~corvinux@mail.hash.si> has joined #jollamobile01:59
*** Termana <Termana!uid121550@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mnijlwafdyblkpjq> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)02:09
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile02:10
*** imunsie <imunsie!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #jollamobile02:11
*** imunsie_ <imunsie_!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)02:12
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)02:14
*** rigo <rigo!~rigo@2400:4040:0:23:2677:3ff:fe31:b038> has joined #jollamobile02:17
*** SpeedEvil <SpeedEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)02:25
*** SpeedEvil <SpeedEvil!~quassel@tor/regular/SpeedEvil> has joined #jollamobile02:25
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile02:26
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)02:29
*** Shanita <Shanita!~John@x4d05ce9a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile02:35
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile02:39
*** Kaskuka <Kaskuka!~John@xd9be018b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)02:39
*** Termana <Termana!uid121550@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aiacjqtkmtcdhywp> has joined #jollamobile02:39
*** corvinux <corvinux!~corvinux@mail.hash.si> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)02:39
*** Termana <Termana!uid121550@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aiacjqtkmtcdhywp> has quit IRC (Client Quit)02:40
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)02:43
*** motalb_ <motalb_!~motalb@37-33-93-161.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)02:56
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile03:02
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)03:06
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile03:08
*** KaIRC <KaIRC!~robert@178-191-189-253.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)03:08
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)03:12
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)03:13
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@2a00:14f0:e000:80bf:e9bd:11d2:f87f:f5bb> has joined #jollamobile03:13
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@2a00:14f0:e000:80bf:e9bd:11d2:f87f:f5bb> has quit IRC (Changing host)03:13
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has joined #jollamobile03:13
*** imunsie_ <imunsie_!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #jollamobile03:14
*** imunsie <imunsie!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)03:15
*** natunen <natunen!~nalle@87-100-157-238.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined #jollamobile03:22
*** rigo <rigo!~rigo@2400:4040:0:23:2677:3ff:fe31:b038> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)03:32
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile03:37
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)03:39
*** motalb <motalb!~motalb@87-95-19-211.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined #jollamobile03:50
*** jonwil <jonwil!~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)03:52
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile04:33
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)04:37
*** FlameReaper-PC <FlameReaper-PC!~FR@175.138.170.82> has joined #jollamobile04:42
*** itbaron <itbaron!~kvirc@a88-115-15-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined #jollamobile04:45
*** sameo <sameo!~samuel@192.55.54.43> has joined #jollamobile04:45
*** zhxt_ <zhxt_!~zhxt@111.207.81.199> has joined #jollamobile04:47
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile04:52
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)04:55
*** spiiroin <spiiroin!~spiiroin@37-33-6-201.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined #jollamobile04:55
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile05:03
*** FireFly <FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)05:06
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)05:08
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile05:09
*** zhxt <zhxt!~zhxt@111.207.81.199> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)05:11
*** birdzhang_afk is now known as birdzhang05:11
*** nander is now known as nander_zzz05:14
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)05:14
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile05:16
*** FireFly <FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly> has joined #jollamobile05:16
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)05:18
*** itbaron <itbaron!~kvirc@a88-115-15-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)05:19
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile05:19
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile05:21
*** VDVsx <VDVsx!~VDVsx@dsl-hkibrasgw3-54fb73-241.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)05:24
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)05:26
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)05:33
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile05:36
*** jonwil <jonwil!~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au> has joined #jollamobile05:42
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)05:44
*** zhxt <zhxt!~zhxt@111.207.81.199> has joined #jollamobile05:44
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile05:47
*** VDVsx <VDVsx!~VDVsx@188.94.68.194> has joined #jollamobile05:48
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile05:49
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@183.26.230.105> has joined #jollamobile05:49
*** Amber_ <Amber_!~Amber@27.115.118.154> has joined #jollamobile05:49
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)05:54
*** phaeron <phaeron!~phaeron@82-181-126-164.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined #jollamobile06:02
*** PeperJohnny <PeperJohnny!~johnny@2a02:8109:1e40:2ce0:9bd4:a721:914f:6b2> has joined #jollamobile06:08
*** Teemu <Teemu!uid15744@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ynucplqlejnixbnz> has joined #jollamobile06:09
*** rigo <rigo!~rigo@2400:4040:0:23:2677:3ff:fe31:b038> has joined #jollamobile06:10
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@146.0.2.254> has joined #jollamobile06:12
*** pvanhoof <pvanhoof!~pvanhoof@codeminded.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)06:16
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-133-52-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile06:21
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@183.26.230.105> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)06:21
*** phaeron <phaeron!~phaeron@82-181-126-164.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)06:24
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile06:24
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)06:26
*** PeperJohnny <PeperJohnny!~johnny@2a02:8109:1e40:2ce0:9bd4:a721:914f:6b2> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)06:28
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile06:35
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)06:38
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@223.104.1.13> has joined #jollamobile06:39
*** iekku_ is now known as iekku06:41
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has joined #jollamobile06:42
*** sameo <sameo!~samuel@192.55.54.43> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)06:42
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)06:43
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@223.104.1.13> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)06:43
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile06:44
*** rainemak <rainemak!~rainemak@a88-115-12-123.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)06:45
*** TimGremalm <TimGremalm!~TimGremal@h-140-31.a336.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)06:47
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile06:52
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)06:55
*** ahjolinna <ahjolinna!~ahjolinna@mobile-access-5d6af9-124.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)06:55
*** ahjolinna <ahjolinna!~ahjolinna@mobile-access-5d6af9-124.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile06:55
*** msvb-lab <msvb-lab!~mschloh@x55b54b34.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile06:58
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile07:04
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)07:07
*** Sfiet_Konstantin <Sfiet_Konstantin!~sk@195-132-24-78.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #jollamobile07:07
*** imunsie_ <imunsie_!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)07:09
*** jpetrell <jpetrell!~jpetrell@mobile-access-6df065-211.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile07:18
*** Nc_ <Nc_!~nc@109.132.158.3> has joined #jollamobile07:22
*** rainemak <rainemak!~rainemak@2001:998:2a:dead:a163:46fe:e679:83cd> has joined #jollamobile07:25
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-133-52-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)07:27
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-133-52-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile07:28
*** nib_ <nib_!~nib@109.110.66.12> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)07:33
*** nib_ <nib_!~nib@109.110.66.10> has joined #jollamobile07:37
*** cxl000 <cxl000!~cxl000@c27-253-5-120.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au> has joined #jollamobile07:37
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)07:38
*** pvanhoof <pvanhoof!~pvanhoof@codeminded.be> has joined #jollamobile07:38
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has joined #jollamobile07:39
*** gabriel9 <gabriel9!~bojan@89.111.237.28> has joined #jollamobile07:39
*** gexc <gexc!~gexc@61.164.42.142> has joined #jollamobile07:44
*** msvb-lab <msvb-lab!~mschloh@x55b54b34.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: msvb-lab)07:47
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile07:49
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)07:51
*** kjokinie <kjokinie!~kjokinie@2001:998:2a:dead:9db9:b57f:1795:d943> has joined #jollamobile07:52
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@bgn92-3-82-227-223-155.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #jollamobile07:55
*** zhxt <zhxt!~zhxt@111.207.81.199> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)07:57
*** birdzhang <birdzhang!~birdzhang@183.61.112.4> has quit IRC (Quit: Go Home)07:59
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)07:59
*** nib_ <nib_!~nib@109.110.66.10> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)08:00
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile08:01
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile08:02
*** Sfiet_Konstantin <Sfiet_Konstantin!~sk@195-132-24-78.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)08:04
*** nib_ <nib_!~nib@109.110.66.10> has joined #jollamobile08:05
*** qqK <qqK!~qqK@whdd-8174.wh13.tu-dresden.de> has joined #jollamobile08:05
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)08:05
*** nutellazwerg <nutellazwerg!~nutellazw@p579D34E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #jollamobile08:07
*** pvanhoof <pvanhoof!~pvanhoof@codeminded.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)08:09
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile08:10
*** XenoPL <XenoPL!~Xeno@159-205-134-114.adsl.inetia.pl> has joined #jollamobile08:17
*** citylight2 <citylight2!~me@bzq-218-29-26.cablep.bezeqint.net> has joined #jollamobile08:26
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)08:28
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has joined #jollamobile08:28
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile08:29
*** tworaz_ <tworaz_!~tworaz@2001:1a68:4:42:9a90:96ff:fedb:81ad> has joined #jollamobile08:29
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@bgn92-3-82-227-223-155.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)08:29
*** electrolux_off is now known as electrolux08:30
*** zhxt <zhxt!~zhxt@111.207.81.199> has joined #jollamobile08:30
*** sletta <sletta!~sletta@231.170.102.62.customer.cdi.no> has joined #jollamobile08:32
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)08:33
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@profge2.iut-cachan.u-psud.fr> has joined #jollamobile08:33
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@profge2.iut-cachan.u-psud.fr> has quit IRC (Changing host)08:33
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@fedora/SePhIr0tH> has joined #jollamobile08:33
*** jjanvier <jjanvier!~jjanvier@bea44-2-88-190-0-118.fbxo.proxad.net> has joined #jollamobile08:33
*** cristi <cristi!~majeru@131.228.216.129> has joined #jollamobile08:34
*** rigo <rigo!~rigo@2400:4040:0:23:2677:3ff:fe31:b038> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)08:39
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)08:44
*** fferner <fferner!~fferner@strider.ferner-online.de> has joined #jollamobile08:46
*** tomcat_berlin <tomcat_berlin!~thomas@141.20.171.63> has joined #jollamobile08:47
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile08:48
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile08:51
*** tomcat_berlin <tomcat_berlin!~thomas@141.20.171.63> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)08:52
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)08:55
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)08:56
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile08:56
*** dis_ is now known as disharmonic08:56
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)08:59
*** lbt is now known as lbt_away09:00
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile09:01
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile09:03
*** taaem <taaem!~taaem@x55b18cac.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile09:08
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)09:11
*** fferner <fferner!~fferner@strider.ferner-online.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)09:11
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)09:12
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@183.26.230.105> has joined #jollamobile09:18
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile09:22
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile09:23
*** roboro <roboro!~ro@dsl-217-155-19-70.zen.co.uk> has joined #jollamobile09:25
*** birdzhang <birdzhang!~birdzhang@183.61.112.4> has joined #jollamobile09:26
*** jpetrell <jpetrell!~jpetrell@mobile-access-6df065-211.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)09:27
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)09:27
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)09:38
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has joined #jollamobile09:39
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@183.26.230.105> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)09:43
*** Amber_ <Amber_!~Amber@27.115.118.154> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)09:43
*** Nokius_work <Nokius_work!~Nokius@46.189.45.234> has joined #jollamobile09:44
*** natunen <natunen!~nalle@87-100-157-238.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: nalle lntyst takaisin luolan perlle ja palaa taas joskus)09:50
*** _morphis is now known as morphis09:51
*** nh1402 <nh1402!~Thunderbi@95.148.89.61> has joined #jollamobile09:58
*** FireFly <FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)10:00
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile10:02
*** radekp <radekp!~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz> has joined #jollamobile10:03
*** FireFly <FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly> has joined #jollamobile10:04
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@37.143.36.100> has joined #jollamobile10:05
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)10:06
*** andybranson <andybranson!~abranson@pcuwe04.cern.ch> has joined #jollamobile10:08
arhi. why can't i just close the sailfish "2" tutorial instead of taking it?10:12
arit's the third device i'm forced to take it on.10:12
TemeVar: tap all corners in clockwise order10:14
arTemeV: nope10:14
TemeVin the first page of the tutorial10:14
ggabrieldoes that actually work or is it troll? :P10:15
TemeVit does10:15
ggabrielnice10:15
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)10:15
TemeVI guess sailors would lose their minds if there wasn't a way to skip it10:15
Bysmyyrand I think it is good to force people to take it as we saw manyu youtubevideos where people cannot use the phone10:16
artoo bad i can't do it on the second "stage" of the tutorial10:16
ggabrielpkill sailfish-tutorial10:16
TemeVar: reboot with power button :)10:16
arrebooting took me back to the start of tutorial, but at least i could close it there10:19
*** Pilke <Pilke!~Pilke@85-76-43-105-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile10:20
*** chriadam is now known as chriadam|away10:21
*** rigo <rigo!~rigo@pc6.renaissance-unet.ocn.ne.jp> has joined #jollamobile10:23
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile10:27
*** spider-mario <spider-mario!~spidermar@mtg95-10-78-219-27-149.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #jollamobile10:28
Stskeeps /g w00t10:28
lainwir3do/10:30
*** rigo <rigo!~rigo@pc6.renaissance-unet.ocn.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)10:30
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@0x5552faea.adsl.cybercity.dk> has joined #jollamobile10:31
*** taaem <taaem!~taaem@x55b18cac.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)10:32
*** electrolux is now known as electrolux_off10:33
*** jpetrell <jpetrell!~jpetrell@2001:998:2a:dead:119d:e38d:181d:562f> has joined #jollamobile10:34
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)10:35
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile10:36
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile10:38
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)10:38
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)10:38
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has joined #jollamobile10:39
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-133-52-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)10:41
*** radekp <radekp!~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)10:45
*** SfietKonstantinW <SfietKonstantinW!c2623324@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.194.98.51.36> has joined #jollamobile10:54
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@0x5552faea.adsl.cybercity.dk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)10:54
*** KaIRC <KaIRC!~robert@188-23-193-58.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #jollamobile10:58
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)11:07
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile11:08
*** towhatend <towhatend!~alex@h-12-9.a329.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #jollamobile11:11
*** electrolux_off is now known as electrolux11:12
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@117.136.41.24> has joined #jollamobile11:13
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)11:25
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile11:28
*** sziszi_ <sziszi_!~sziszi@unaffiliated/sziszi> has joined #jollamobile11:33
*** radekp <radekp!~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz> has joined #jollamobile11:33
*** sziszi <sziszi!~sziszi@unaffiliated/sziszi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)11:36
*** sziszi_ is now known as sziszi11:36
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)11:50
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile11:53
*** mhlavink <mhlavink!quassel@nat/redhat/x-nlcmonwopsdggffk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)12:04
*** nomeata <nomeata!~jojo@nomeata.de> has joined #jollamobile12:11
*** IZh <IZh!~IZh@192.194.199.35> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)12:13
*** IZh <IZh!~IZh@192.194.199.35> has joined #jollamobile12:14
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@0x5552faea.adsl.cybercity.dk> has joined #jollamobile12:20
*** roboro <roboro!~ro@dsl-217-155-19-70.zen.co.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)12:27
*** mhlavink <mhlavink!quassel@nat/redhat/x-jhbikmrcmrymfrsj> has joined #jollamobile12:28
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@0x5552faea.adsl.cybercity.dk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)12:29
*** taaem <taaem!~taaem@f054183139.adsl.alicedsl.de> has joined #jollamobile12:29
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@fedora/SePhIr0tH> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)12:34
*** nutellazwerg <nutellazwerg!~nutellazw@p579D34E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)12:35
*** sletta <sletta!~sletta@231.170.102.62.customer.cdi.no> has quit IRC (Quit: sletta)12:37
chem|stdoes anyone have a wroking setup with owncloud7x?12:38
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)12:39
chem|stselfsigned cert12:39
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has joined #jollamobile12:39
*** motalb <motalb!~motalb@87-95-19-211.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)12:41
fluxsoo, after restarting my Jolla I find myself not being at Finnish winter time..12:45
Yanielis automatic time updating on?12:45
fluxyes12:45
fluxand I think the thing is at morning it was fine12:45
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)12:45
the_mgtwinter is over now12:46
fluxswitched to manual12:47
ggabrielwinter is coming12:47
the_mgtsummer's almost gone12:47
ggabrielflux: fwiw, mine switched to gmt normally this weekend (i'm in 1.1.9)12:47
ggabrielerm, summer has been gone since 21 sept12:48
stephgggabriel: ditto12:48
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile12:48
fluxggabriel, but have you restarted your phone?12:49
fluxthe problem occurred after restarting12:49
ggabrielflux: let me try12:50
ggabrieli'll lose the position in my vitalic album, but i guess i can make that sacrifice for you :P12:50
flux:-o12:50
* ggabriel has to read latest tohkbd faq as ctrl+alt+del doesn't work any more :(12:51
ggabrielflux: works ok12:52
ggabrielmind you, could be a random hiccup, this happened at least once with my n9 and a switch to manual and then back to automatic fixed it12:53
*** roboro <roboro!~ro@dsl-217-155-19-70.zen.co.uk> has joined #jollamobile12:53
*** radekp <radekp!~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)12:57
fluxseems to work ok after setting to automatic here as well12:58
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)12:58
*** zhxt_ <zhxt_!~zhxt@111.207.81.199> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)13:00
*** Whippler_ <Whippler_!~sailfish@dsl-hkibrasgw3-54fb7d-163.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile13:00
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile13:03
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@profge2.iut-cachan.u-psud.fr> has joined #jollamobile13:06
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@profge2.iut-cachan.u-psud.fr> has quit IRC (Changing host)13:06
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@fedora/SePhIr0tH> has joined #jollamobile13:06
*** Nc_ <Nc_!~nc@109.132.158.3> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)13:07
*** spiiroin <spiiroin!~spiiroin@37-33-6-201.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)13:11
*** Nc_ <Nc_!~nc@109.132.158.3> has joined #jollamobile13:15
*** MoritzJT <MoritzJT!~chrome@ip-178-203-193-231.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #jollamobile13:20
*** spiiroin <spiiroin!~spiiroin@37-33-6-201.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined #jollamobile13:21
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)13:21
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x4db334c3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)13:30
*** Nc_ <Nc_!~nc@109.132.158.3> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)13:31
*** mcfrisk_ is now known as mcfrisk13:31
*** Whippler_ <Whippler_!~sailfish@dsl-hkibrasgw3-54fb7d-163.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)13:32
*** Nc_ <Nc_!~nc@109.132.158.3> has joined #jollamobile13:32
*** MoritzJT <MoritzJT!~chrome@ip-178-203-193-231.hsi10.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)13:33
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)13:37
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)13:41
*** VDVsx <VDVsx!~VDVsx@188.94.68.194> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)13:43
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile13:44
*** Whippler_ <Whippler_!~sailfish@dsl-hkibrasgw3-54fb7d-163.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile13:44
PaulePanterHi. So my Jolla phone touch screen sometimes arbitrarily stops working and I have to restart the phone.13:45
PaulePanterIs that a known problem or do I need to send the phone in?13:45
PaulePanterIs there a “replacement parts market” for the Jolla phone?13:46
*** sletta <sletta!~sletta@231.170.102.62.customer.cdi.no> has joined #jollamobile13:46
PaulePanterAlso I bought it online from Germany. Do German laws apply regarding warrenty or the Finish ones?13:48
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile13:48
Nicd-Finnish*13:50
Nicd-you have a 2 year warranty because that's what the EU mandates I think13:51
Nicd-someone correct if I'm wrong13:51
*** Shinryuu <Shinryuu!~shn@85-76-113-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile13:51
sdfrchem|st: i have owncloud calendars working, though with oc 8.1/8.2 there seems to be a bug in their database, with workaround https://github.com/owncloud/calendar/issues/868 i have it working13:51
PaulePanterNicd-: I thought so too. But reading the Jolla Web site it says something about one year.13:52
PaulePanterNicd-: https://jolla.com/warranty-policy/13:52
*** restless_being_ <restless_being_!ext@kernel.v6.panic.pl> has joined #jollamobile13:52
StskeepsPaulePanter: our own policies can't override EU ones, though13:53
*** restless_being <restless_being!ext@kernel.v6.panic.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)13:54
PaulePanterStskeeps: Understood.13:55
PaulePanterSo as it doesn’t look like that others have problems with the touch pad, I need to turn it in for repair. :/13:55
Stskeepswhat version?13:56
PaulePanter1.1.9.2813:58
PaulePanterGeräte Adaption: 1.0.0.3013:58
*** dis_ <dis_!~disharmon@unaffiliated/disharmonic> has joined #jollamobile13:58
Stskeepsaok13:58
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@146.0.2.254> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)14:00
*** Whippler_ <Whippler_!~sailfish@dsl-hkibrasgw3-54fb7d-163.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)14:00
*** TimGremalm <TimGremalm!~TimGremal@h-140-31.a336.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #jollamobile14:00
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1:0:1:1> has joined #jollamobile14:01
*** dis_ <dis_!~disharmon@unaffiliated/disharmonic> has quit IRC (Client Quit)14:01
*** dis_ <dis_!~disharmon@unaffiliated/disharmonic> has joined #jollamobile14:01
*** Sailor-2gether <Sailor-2gether!~Sailor@146.0.2.254> has joined #jollamobile14:02
*** disharmonic <disharmonic!~disharmon@unaffiliated/disharmonic> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)14:02
*** dis_ is now known as disharmonic14:02
*** FireFly <FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)14:03
*** Sailor-2gether <Sailor-2gether!~Sailor@146.0.2.254> has quit IRC (Client Quit)14:04
*** Sailor-2gether <Sailor-2gether!~Sailor@146.0.2.254> has joined #jollamobile14:04
*** cptG <cptG!~thomas@x5ce728fc.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile14:04
*** FireFly <FireFly!firefly@oftn/member/FireFly> has joined #jollamobile14:05
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1:0:1:1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)14:06
chem|stsdfr: I had both working at some point with 7.x, now I get a connection but no calendars to sync and no addressbooks14:06
*** Pilke <Pilke!~Pilke@85-76-43-105-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)14:06
*** XenoPL <XenoPL!~Xeno@159-205-134-114.adsl.inetia.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)14:09
*** VDVsx <VDVsx!~VDVsx@dsl-hkibrasgw3-54fb73-241.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile14:09
sdfrwhich version of OC do you have? OC 8,1 and 8.2 have somewhat broken calendars (see the link), doesn't work well even in thunderbird+lightning14:09
*** Shinryuu <Shinryuu!~shn@85-76-113-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: outworld)14:09
sdfrcontacts I haven't tried, but might as well be that the problem is in changes made to OC 7->8 and not sailfish (i have 1.1.9.28 now)14:10
*** ruskie <ruskie!ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie> has quit IRC (Quit: ...)14:11
PaulePanterIs there a price list somewhere, how much replacing the display of the Jolla phone would cost?14:13
*** Pilke <Pilke!~Pilke@85-76-43-105-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile14:14
*** Sailor-2gether is now known as Sail0r14:16
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)14:16
teveFinland 105€14:17
tevehttp://mobylife.com/images/pricelists/Hinnastoliite_Jolla_alypuhelinten_naytonvaihdot.pdf14:17
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile14:19
*** jpetrell <jpetrell!~jpetrell@2001:998:2a:dead:119d:e38d:181d:562f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)14:22
PaulePanterteve: I see.14:28
arhi14:28
PaulePanterar: Hi!14:28
taaemDoes somebody knows why Ubuntu has already 2 partners for hardware in Europe and Jolla has only 1 in India, while Jolla has the better OS?14:29
aris the settings app going to change from how it looks in 2.0 previews?14:29
PaulePantertaaem: It’s very subjective claim, what is better.14:29
arbecause now it has lost 90% of its functionality now: i can't quickly disable/enable 3g/wifi/internet sharing14:29
arand worst of all, the upgrade changed my ssid name14:29
ggabrieltaaem: is that info official? do they have a phone already that I can go and buy?14:29
Nicd-taaem: Canonical is a lot better and has a lot more money than Jolla14:30
PaulePantertaaem: But as you are in #jollamobile most will agree I guess.14:30
Nicd-s/better/bigger/14:30
Nicd-silly typo14:30
*** playforvoices <playforvoices!~playforvo@172.94.14.10> has joined #jollamobile14:30
PaulePanterggabriel: Yes, you can buy Ubuntu phones.14:30
taaemggabriel: BQ Aqauris E 4.5 / 5 and Meizu MX 414:30
cos-does anyone know if there is a roadmap for supporting more bluetooth profiles? for example MAP protocol for message access is missing.14:30
ggabrielso, who are the partners in EU?14:30
PaulePanterAnd regarding the Linux kernel side it’s much better from the Jolla state of the art.14:30
Mikaelathere are multiple Ubuntu phones already14:30
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile14:31
PaulePanterHaving to mail Jolla to get the source still surprises me for a supposed to be open system. It’s a joke.14:31
taaemggabriel: all devices are sold here14:31
*** playforvoices <playforvoices!~playforvo@172.94.14.10> has left #jollamobile14:32
StskeepsPaulePanter: http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/14:32
Stskeepstaaem: they are employing the model of taking essentially aftermarket devices, already certified, and flashing ubuntu phone on them14:32
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)14:32
Stskeepsit's a much less difficult process than shipping a whole device with that out of the box14:32
ggabrielo i c14:32
taaemStskeeps: yeah but than they sell these devices :P14:32
Stskeepstaaem: sure14:33
PaulePanterStskeeps: Thanks. Since when is this online?14:33
StskeepsPaulePanter: since a long time14:33
PaulePanterSorry, for spreading old information then.14:33
jonwilIt really annoys me when companies refuse to comply with the GPL or in some cases complying only begrudgingly complying and sticking the source somewhere that's hard to find or get (e.g. the aformentioned "we will send you a CD" BS)14:33
ggabrielso, bq is spanish, meizu doesn't appear to be european but chinese14:33
jonwilBut yeah if Jollia doesn't fall into that camp that's a good thing14:33
Stskeepsmoo jonwil14:33
PaulePanterStskeeps: But no development history there I’d assume.14:33
StskeepsPaulePanter: no, but for most parts you can look at _service and check out the git repos directly and git checkout the sha.14:34
*** caitlinb <caitlinb!~caitlin@188-39-95-93.static.enta.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)14:34
taaemggabriel: its about that you can buy 3 quite new phones runnning Ubuntu and only one quite outdated device running sailfish14:34
ggabrieltaaem: i think Stskeeps explained it...14:34
Stskeepswhile with jolla devices we actually spend a lot of time fitting the device to sailfishos14:34
Stskeepsin industrial design and otherwise14:35
ggabrielyou could go to your local mobile phone shop and ask them to flash sfos on a nexus 5 too14:35
PaulePanterSo, is there an application showing me the `dmesg` output or `journalctl` when my touchpad stops working?14:35
Stskeepswhich one is the better direction.. that's a good question14:35
ggabrielit won't be the same though14:35
StskeepsPaulePanter: ssh in when it happens14:35
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile14:35
Stskeepssince i presume you have developer mode14:35
Stskeepsi'm still amazed it took a toy car to kill my prototype jolla114:36
Stskeeps:P14:36
PaulePanterStskeeps: Not yet. My goal was just to use it as a working phone and not more.14:36
Stskeepsafter many many years of abuse14:36
StskeepsPaulePanter: ok, anyway, no risk there14:36
PaulePanterThanks.14:36
*** varikonniemi <varikonniemi!~q@a91-153-234-230.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)14:36
taaemStskeeps: fitting the device to the OS is in my opinion also, but if there are no devices :-/ let see what Intex is up to14:37
Stskeepsi'm personally not convinced of ubuntu phone's approach after seeing it in the flesh, but hey, let's not throw stones.. :P14:37
the_mgt fair phone2 deal would be nice, although I don't know what the added price for a sfos version would be14:38
Stskeepswell, basic sailfishos i would presume is just downloadable14:38
chem|stStskeeps: ...while sitting in a glas house yourself14:38
taaemthe_mgt: its only a community port so you buy a regular fairphone and then flash it14:38
taaemand without alien dalvik14:38
Stskeepschem|st: hrm, glasshouse could be neat for a project name..14:39
ggabriel...or maps14:39
chem|sttaaem: I hope so (without alien)14:39
ggabrielmaps is easy to replace14:39
chem|stStskeeps: where do I sign up?14:39
Stskeepschem|st: TBA14:39
ggabrielbut alien dalvik sadly is part of most people's expectation with sfos14:39
Stskeepschem|st: hopefully my next projects are simply open source from the start, no silly 'sign up'..14:39
Stskeeps:P14:39
the_mgtI could live without dalvik, but then I would not buy a 500+€ phone14:40
ggabrielthe_mgt: :)14:40
taaemggabriel: its just because sometimes you have to rely on apps that aren't available for the Jolla like banking apps ...14:40
the_mgtI could buy a used one and toy around with it. I need dalvik for some things and maps would be nice, too14:41
ggabrieltaaem: hence my "sadly" comment, people using a lot of custom, closed sourced things to do basic stuff such as sending an SMS14:41
chem|stthe_mgt: I would pay >500€ for a phone without dalvik... wait... did that twice already...14:41
ggabrieli definitely did that once with the n9, no regrets :D14:41
the_mgtI hate to work around missing apps14:42
ggabrielthe reality is that there isn't such a thing as missing apps14:42
chem|stthe_mgt: the lesser we require android runtimes the more are developers forced to cut crap like "my android version is working fine"14:42
*** phaeron <phaeron!~phaeron@82-181-126-164.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined #jollamobile14:42
the_mgtthe crap is in the shop. it seems that everything useful needs to installed via warehouse14:42
taaemif the 1+1 port is getting finished i would buy one because the specs are good and its quite cheap and then i would put Sailfish OS on it :P14:43
the_mgtand I do not really feel comfortable in trusting these tools14:43
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)14:43
* Stskeeps would have loved to see sailfishos on a device like the yota phone14:43
the_mgtthat too14:43
Stskeepsreally nice specs, nice epd display, beautiful amoled..14:43
taaemStskeeps: yees14:43
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile14:43
chem|stStskeeps: BB Passport14:43
Stskeepschem|st: after reading 'losing the signal' there's no way in hell i will ever buy anything BB.14:44
taaembut they got bought :P14:44
taaemBB Priv :P14:44
chem|stStskeeps: the question persists, where is my Jolla-Keyboard?14:45
taaemStskeeps: so no hope for a YotaPhone 3 with sailfish?14:45
Stskeepstaaem: i have no idea, and if i did, i wouldn't say it here14:45
Stskeeps:P14:45
*** ruskie <ruskie!ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie> has joined #jollamobile14:46
chem|stbest answer ever...14:46
Stskeepschem|st: i think somebody ported to motorola physical keyboard device14:46
chem|stif I tell you I'd need to destroy the internet14:46
kimmolijust make ddos to 127.0.0.1 ?14:47
lainwir3ddid you know that if you type "google" into google, you can break the internet ?14:47
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)14:47
chem|stkimmoli: not my connection...14:47
jonwilWhat surprises me is that we haven't seen some group out there set the goal of producing a phone platform (ideally hardware and software) aimed at people who have seen all the NSA leaks and things and want a device that is as hard as possible for the bad guys to get into. Given how many people have jumped into the "I want to stop the government spying on me" camp after the Snowden revelations, I a14:49
jonwilm sure there would be a market for such a device...14:49
ggabrielwasn't ssh talking about that?14:50
ggabrielalso, people forget about privacy when they see the price tag14:50
taaemwasn't BB once up to that?14:50
jonwilIf you are using off-the-shelf bits, the price doesn't need to be so high14:50
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile14:51
taaembut hw is hard...14:51
ggabrielnot in this case, when ios/android are comoditised as they are14:51
ggabrielhaving said that, apple apparently told a US court that their latest devices are impossible to break into (so that they can't give a judge information off somebody's ithing)14:53
nh1402were the sales that bad with those phones with hw keyboards that they weren't commercially successful?14:53
jonwilSo find an existing phone (android e.g.) that has the hardware you want (and no lockdowns or restrictions) and write a privacy/security/anti-spying focused OS for it, then you dont need to worry about the high cost of hardware14:53
taaemnh1402: look at BlackBerry14:53
nh1402a landscape one14:53
ggabrieljonwil: so, "write the OS" is free? :)14:54
taaemjonwil: isn't that nearly that what is Jolla doing....14:54
nh1402Sailfish Secure14:54
Stskeepsjonwil: only problem is that if you have unlockable bootloader you can easily fall for the evil maid attack14:54
Stskeepsif i could personally relock with my own keys, then i would be happy enough with a device14:54
Yaniel> find an existing phone that has no lockdowns14:54
lainwir3devil maid ?14:55
mornfallput your phone under a pillow14:55
*** ahjolinna <ahjolinna!~ahjolinna@mobile-access-5d6af9-124.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)14:55
Stskeepshttp://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/definition/evil-maid-attack14:55
lainwir3dLike your maid is gonna reflash your phone ?14:55
mornfalllainwir3d: a top-rated spy dressed up as a maid, clearly14:55
*** ahjolinna <ahjolinna!~ahjolinna@mobile-access-5d6af9-124.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile14:55
lainwir3dhaha14:55
Stskeepsyou would be surprised how big possibility that is in some of the countries i travel in..14:55
*** varikonniemi <varikonniemi!~q@a91-153-234-230.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined #jollamobile14:55
mornfallStskeeps: I don't think a locked bootloader is going to stop a (sufficiently advanced) evil maid14:56
SmarI wouldn’t want to keep any real information on phone anyway :)14:56
Stskeepsmornfall: sure, but you shouldn't make it too easy anyway14:56
nh1402could you not solder on a new bootloader to replace the locked one14:56
Stskeepshttps://lwn.net/Articles/359145/14:56
nh1402or even just remove the flash chips and access the data14:56
jonwilfull disk encryption will take care of offline access to the memory chips14:57
taaemif you have the hardware could you just read off the information from emmc?14:57
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@146.0.2.254> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)14:57
*** motalb <motalb!~motalb@176-93-111-233.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined #jollamobile14:58
mornfall„Thus, a Bitlocker user that is confident that he or she entered the correct password, but the OS didn't boot correctly, should destroy the laptop.“14:59
*** Miski <Miski!mjhusgaf@gateway/shell/tkk.fi/x-jjknniccaqyvbacz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)15:01
jonwilI would be willing to bet money that if the NSA or FBI or other US government agency went to Apple and said "hey, we need a modified image for an i15:02
Stskeepsanyway, tld;r, i wish i had a device where i could 1) sign my boot images 2) set up my own keys for the device to accept15:02
ggabrielinterestingly, i tried to a) restrict boot to hard drive only in hte laptop and then b) lock up the bios with a password15:03
jonwilI would be willing to bet money that if the NSA or FBI or other US government agency went to Apple and said "hey, we need a modified image for an iphone that does xyz that we can install on our target device"combined with a national security request or something, Apple would probably comply (even more so if they actually had a warrant)15:03
ggabrieland i can't do b) because it's a business laptop and the company doesn't want me to do that15:03
ggabrielso evil maid is easy on it15:03
Stskeepsggabriel: current set of big companies are stupid in that regard15:04
*** towhatend <towhatend!~alex@h-12-9.a329.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)15:04
jonwilAs for what stskeeps said, there are PCs with UEFI that can do exactly that (only boot signed images and let you control the keys in the BIOS)15:04
ggabrielit's easier to send people to [insert an insecure country here] with a clean laptop15:04
mornfallwell, nobody knows if the SoC won't accept a magic string on the TTL or something like that to subvert the bootloader15:05
ggabrielmornfall: true, nothing is ever 100% secure15:05
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-71-21-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile15:05
ggabrielit depends how paranoid you are :P15:05
Stskeepsjonwil: UEFI is a hairy ball of crap though :)15:06
Stskeepsmornfall: heh, yeah15:06
mornfallsounds like you prefer u-boot15:06
mornfall(over uefi)15:06
arhttps://together.jolla.com/question/116848/bug-no-favourites-in-settings-on-20010/ - this one made me sad15:06
arStskeeps: it's better than legacy bios15:06
Stskeepsar: it's in the events view?15:06
Stskeepsar: yeah, but i've been on the implementor side of it ;)15:06
arStskeeps: i'm corebooting my new-old laptop (x220) now and i do intend to put edk2/TianoCore there as a payload. with secureboot if possible15:07
*** jukkar1 <jukkar1!~jukka@134.134.139.78> has left #jollamobile15:08
lainwir3dyeah, quick settings in event view is nice. The only thing I miss is being able to put a full menu quick settings (like a bluetooth icon that sends to to the bluetooth tab of the settings)15:08
lainwir3dBut well, I'll survive.15:08
mornfalllainwir3d: you can also do that15:08
Stskeepsit's all muscle memory, you'll have it down in no time, though..15:08
arStskeeps: btw, this one confused me on the tram today: https://together.jolla.com/question/116845/bug-update-to-20010-changes-internet-sharing-ssid-name/15:09
Stskeepsar: yeah that's a pita15:09
Stskeepsar: hit me too15:09
lainwir3dmornfall: really ? Didn't manage to do it. I'll try again15:09
Stskeepsi think it's gone after 2.0.0 though15:09
mcfriskhmm, friends giving up on jolla after 2.0 update broke their use cases15:09
armcfrisk: which ones?15:09
ar(use cases)15:09
Stskeepsmcfrisk: either people really love it and are loud about it, or they hate it with a passion worse than satan15:10
mornfalllainwir3d: events->shortcuts->second block (shortcuts)15:10
Stskeeps:P15:10
*** jukkar <jukkar!~jukka@134.134.139.78> has joined #jollamobile15:10
lainwir3doops, forgot to mention to QA that my rpm doesn't pass auto rpmvalidator because of the new icon sizes and the outdated rpmvalidator tool in the latest sdk :-/15:10
lainwir3der, wrong channel15:10
mcfriskdon't know which use cases, but some were rather unhappy. I don't dare to update.15:10
*** Whippler_ <Whippler_!~sailfish@dsl-hkibrasgw3-54fb7d-163.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile15:10
Yaniel2.0.0 > 1.9.x at any rate15:11
lainwir3dmornfall: holy crap. That was a flickable :-P15:11
*** electrolux is now known as electrolux_off15:11
lainwir3dmornfall: thanks :-)15:11
jonwilin terms of hardware backdoors, are there any companes making SOCs and chips suitable for mobile devices that aren't based in countries complicit in the NSA spying?15:11
ggabrielnokia15:12
ggabrieloh, wait15:12
taaemMediatek is Asia?15:12
Stskeepsjonwil: in practice everything is made in china, but yeah, mediatek is one option15:12
Stskeepswith all it's problems15:12
mcfriskI remember fixing mms settings with german O2 in early 2014, now it seems settings are still in place and correct but mms reception is just broken on 1.1.9.2815:12
taaemBut their Open Source stuff is well mmh15:13
jonwilBroadcom and Qualcomm are USA so those are out15:13
Stskeepsi've kind of given up on any kind of sanity in the hw adaptation space15:13
jonwilAs are Freescale and TI15:13
chem|stmcfrisk: that might just be o215:13
taaemTI doesn't produce any SoCs anymore afaik15:13
mcfriskjolla browser is also, well, feeling bad to use when pages don't render completely, half black screens, then back button only works on some pages...15:13
mornfalllainwir3d: the real problem I think is that Presence is missing from that list :P15:14
lainwir3dmornfall: yeah, just noticed that.15:14
lainwir3dwould have been quite useful15:14
mcfriskchem|st: yes, o2 might suck too, but not this bad. I remember that mms reception worked at some point.15:14
lainwir3dhopefully next update15:14
Stskeepsjonwil: ingenic is kinda looking curious15:14
Stskeepsjonwil: http://www.ingenic.cn/en/?newton/id/1.html15:14
mornfalltaaem: they probably make Sitara's15:14
*** Shinryuu <Shinryuu!~shn@85-76-113-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile15:15
taaemStskeeps: MIPS based processor so no arm?15:15
Stskeepsyeah, mips based15:15
Stskeepsbut who cares nowadays :)15:15
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-71-21-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)15:16
jonwildo any Chinese companies make cellular radio chipsets or are all the cellular radio makers in countries that are part of the spying?15:17
sharpneliYeah. They're just the usual little-endian 32 or 64bit machines.15:17
ggabrieljonwil: are you assuming china doesn't spy? :)15:17
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-71-21-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile15:17
jonwilChina spies. But not for the NSA15:17
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)15:18
ggabrielwell, let's be fair for once with the USA - one doesn't want to be spied by anybody, not only the NSA15:18
jonwilTrue15:18
mornfallmaybe some guys would like to be spied on by pretty girls15:19
ggabrielmornfall: those guys can go to ashley madison, they have bots for that15:19
*** XenoPL <XenoPL!~Xeno@159-205-134-114.adsl.inetia.pl> has joined #jollamobile15:19
*** taaem <taaem!~taaem@f054183139.adsl.alicedsl.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)15:20
mornfallbots don't quite count15:21
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile15:21
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)15:21
*** leinir_ <leinir_!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has joined #jollamobile15:21
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x55b2ca0b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile15:22
lainwir3ddepends on bots15:22
lainwir3dI wouldn't mind pretty bots15:22
lainwir3dwith a beautiful robot body15:22
Stskeepsjonwil: mediatek makes cellular i think15:25
*** dirkvl_ <dirkvl_!~dirkvl@37.143.36.100> has joined #jollamobile15:33
jonwilEven ignoring the hardware question, there seems to be a fair bit of overlap between "people who dont like the fact that the whole world is spying on them and their privacy is non-existent" and "people who like to write computer software for fun" which is why I am surprised we haven't seen more done in the area of software that is harder to spy on.15:34
jonwilI say overlap in the sense that there are a fair whack of people who fall into both categories15:35
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@37.143.36.100> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)15:37
*** sameo <sameo!~samuel@192.55.54.40> has joined #jollamobile15:37
jonwilI have an idea in my head for a new secure chat program but I dont know the first thing about designing network protocols or dealing with cryptography (I have read just enough Bruce Schchneier cryptography stuff to know that trying to design anything involving cryptography would be a Bad Idea(TM) )15:38
mornfalljonwil: ricochet.im15:38
*** dirkvl_ <dirkvl_!~dirkvl@37.143.36.100> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)15:38
wysiwtfa new chat client with encryption!15:39
wysiwtfnow theres an idea!15:39
wysiwtf:p15:39
jonwilOoh nice, someone has already invented the thing I thought of (I figured it had to have been done)15:39
*** radekp <radekp!~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz> has joined #jollamobile15:39
ggabrieljonwil: you mean like xmpp over ssl?15:40
ggabrielwhich has been around for years and years15:40
mornfallggabriel: no amount of ssl can make xmpp secure15:40
ggabrielno amount of anything can make anything secure15:41
ggabrielbut ssl will add encryption15:41
jonwilIMO there are too many problems with SSL/TLS and too many flaws that can only be truly fixed with a new clean-slate protocol15:41
ggabrielmeh15:41
*** pdanek <pdanek!~orech@89.100.141.94> has joined #jollamobile15:41
ggabrielsorry for the negativity but i think a clean slate protocol will just copy all the flaws of ssl/tls15:42
chem|stjonwil: in a world where people rather use whatsapp and then tell that they do not have a facebook account as they do not want to be spied on by fb... I just cannot get my head around using modern communication services anymore, at some point I will just stop renewing my mobile contract15:42
chem|stgo back to paper and landlines15:42
mornfallggabriel: the problem is not with ssl as such, but chat is ill use for ssl15:42
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::fb6c> has joined #jollamobile15:42
ggabrielmornfall: why?15:42
jonwilI am one of those people who has less of a problem with big companies (like Google) spying on me than with governments spying on me15:42
ggabrielssl can encrypt an elephant if you divide it in packets15:43
Lieke_i'd just need otr support on my jolla15:43
chem|stLieke_: the problem is not me getting OTR... the problem is getting others to use it too15:43
jonwilI dont have a Facebook account because of some of the crap associated with that (like the real names policy) and I dont have a Google Plus account for the same reasons15:43
ggabrielLieke_: "that's just software that needs developing" :P15:43
ggabrieljonwil: well, you don't "have" to give them your real name ;)15:43
Lieke_well, my friends do use otr15:44
mornfallggabriel: because the server is the adversary in chat apps15:44
ggabrielwhat chem|st points out about OTR is vrey true15:44
chem|stjonwil: what realname policy?! no sane person uses a realname on the interwebs15:44
mornfallggabriel: talking to your adversary securely is still talking to your adversary15:44
ggabrielthere's at least 1 obscure xmpp client for android that supports it15:44
chem|stjonwil: I am a public figure, that is something different15:44
ggabrielmornfall: depends on the server... the server you can host15:44
jonwilin any case I choose not to use a Facebook account15:44
ggabrieland if you want something on top of that, there is OTR15:44
mornfallggabriel: then you become the adversary to the rest of your users... does not help15:45
ggabrielbue even if everybody used OTR, do you think they'll exchange their keys securely?15:45
mornfallggabriel: and if you federate, it gets even worse15:45
jonwilSo you do end-to-end encryption15:45
mornfallyes, end-to-end (= OTR) prevents the adversary (= server) from seeing what you say15:45
mornfallit still sees when you say something and to whom15:45
mornfalland yes, SMTP is about the same15:46
ggabrielmornfall: there are limits15:46
ggabriellike, physical limits15:46
ggabrielbut anyway... use xmpp+ssl, add otr15:47
ggabrielyou should be fairly ok15:47
ggabrielassuming you exchanged the otr keys securely15:47
ggabrielwhich is a big assumption15:47
mornfallotr doesn't really fit my usecase15:48
ggabrielwhat is your use case?15:48
mornfall(and I think that's the case for most people)15:48
mornfallOTR has suppression of evidence as primary goal, which means it'll suppress logging15:49
ggabrielwe could use quantum entanglement so that nobody knows who's talking to whom, but i don't think that we're there just yet15:50
mornfallI don't really care about physical adversaries that much, especially not if it costs a lot in terms of convenience15:50
ggabrielotr suppresses logging? uhm... i had to ask somebody to switch it off in pidgin specifically, so i don't think so15:50
mornfallit doesn't? interesting15:50
ggabrielthis was last year though, maybe it changed15:51
mornfallisn't that odd? it says so right in the name, 'off the record'15:51
ggabrielthinking about it...15:51
ggabrielmornfall: :)15:51
ggabrielin newer versions they did make a case about exchanging keys15:51
mornfallbut then that's pidgin15:51
ggabrielas in how important that is15:51
ggabrielas in how important that is15:53
ggabrieloops, sorry15:53
jonwilthat ricochet program seems like its pretty good, its got forward secrecy and some other good stuff. Only negative is that its going through Tor (which makes it an issue for people who for whatever reason cant use Tor) and also that its using weaker encryption like SHA115:58
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)15:58
Yanieljonwil: have you checked tox15:59
*** itbaron <itbaron!~kvirc@a88-115-15-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined #jollamobile15:59
Yanielit's p2p which IMO makes it even better15:59
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@117.136.41.24> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)15:59
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@0x5552faea.adsl.cybercity.dk> has joined #jollamobile16:01
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile16:01
jonwilYeah Tox looks even better16:03
Sail0rtox has been robbed ^^16:03
jonwilOnly thing I cant find about regarding Tox is whether they are using good crypto (e.g. forward secrecy) or not16:03
*** HtheB <HtheB!~HtheB@Maemo/community/council/htheb> has joined #jollamobile16:04
YanielAFAIk they are using that16:04
jonwilfor a chat program you want encryption such that even with a full packet capture of the conversation AND access to both machines, its still not possible to decrypt the data16:04
Yanielbut the code has not been audited yet16:04
Sail0rhttps://blog.tox.chat/2015/07/current-situation-3/16:04
HtheBtigeli: hi!16:05
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@0x5552faea.adsl.cybercity.dk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)16:06
*** leinir_ is now known as leinir16:06
*** jonwil <jonwil!~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [SeaMonkey 2.38/20150923195647])16:06
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has joined #jollamobile16:09
nh1402anyone know of an open source c++ decentralised p2p library16:10
Yanielwe were just talking about tox16:11
Yaniellibtoxcore is C but otherwise it is just that16:11
Yanielbuut I'm not sure that is what you want16:12
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@0x5552faea.adsl.cybercity.dk> has joined #jollamobile16:12
Yanieland development related questions go to #sailfishos16:12
nh1402i'm making a messaging app16:12
Yanielin that case you might want to check out tox16:12
nh1402and want to use the p2p library for that and games16:13
Yanielthere is a sailfish client for it already, called cyanide16:13
nh1402and want them to share the p2p connection so you can do online voice calls while playing games16:13
nh1402and video16:14
nh1402because why not16:14
Yanielsure, don't forget the unicorns16:14
Yanielanyway you might find #tox interesting16:14
nh1402it's going to be made, it's not just a dream16:15
YanielI'm serious16:16
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)16:16
nh1402so am I16:17
Yaniel(maybe a tiny bit less so about the unicorns)16:17
nh1402I made a basic messaging app implementing aes and rsa in java for my dissertation, and after working on some extra features will focus on encryption and p2p16:18
*** eijk_ <eijk_!~eijk@x55b2ca0b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)16:18
Yanielwell, tox is pretty much exactly what you have listed16:19
*** PeperJohnny <PeperJohnny!~johnny@2a02:8109:1e40:2ce0:9bd4:a721:914f:6b2> has joined #jollamobile16:19
Yanielnobody has tried to use it in a game AFAIK but it has been considered16:19
nh1402thats suggesting that I'm still working on my dissertation, this is a follow on project16:19
nh1402after all the research that I've done on open source decentralised p2p libraries, this did not come up16:21
*** The_Wraith <The_Wraith!~The_Wrait@29-120-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)16:22
*** gabriel9 <gabriel9!~bojan@89.111.237.28> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)16:25
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@0x5552faea.adsl.cybercity.dk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)16:25
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)16:28
ggabrielso, in this case tox works roughly like xmpp+otr: https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/blob/master/docs/TCP_Network.txt16:29
ggabrieli had to dig this up as i didn't undertsand how p2p works behind nat's and firewalls and all that fun16:29
*** reinob <reinob!~reinob@Maemo/community/council/reinob> has joined #jollamobile16:30
*** Froberg <Froberg!~froberg@unaffiliated/froberg> has joined #jollamobile16:31
*** Shinryuu <Shinryuu!~shn@85-76-113-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: brbr)16:31
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile16:32
*** Shinryuu <Shinryuu!~shn@85-76-113-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile16:32
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #jollamobile16:33
*** cptG <cptG!~thomas@x5ce728fc.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)16:33
*** cptG_ <cptG_!~thomas@x5ce728fc.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #jollamobile16:33
mornfallnh1402: tox, ricochet are both p2p, encrypted chat apps that already exist16:34
*** cptG_ <cptG_!~thomas@x5ce728fc.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)16:34
nh1402mine has text formatting, UI customisation, and works with sms16:38
nh1402p2p and game integration is the next step16:38
*** cb400f <cb400f!~cb400f@62.61.128.194.generic-hostname.danskkabeltv.dk> has joined #jollamobile16:38
*** cb400f <cb400f!~cb400f@opensuse/member/Cb400f> has joined #jollamobile16:38
*** Whippler_ <Whippler_!~sailfish@dsl-hkibrasgw3-54fb7d-163.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)16:40
nh1402well for the moment it has text formatting and works with sms, working on db integration and then will work on ui customisation16:40
YanielI just wish we could burn java already16:42
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)16:45
Nicd-Yaniel: I just had to run a java applet16:45
Nicd-eww16:45
*** tworaz_ <tworaz_!~tworaz@2001:1a68:4:42:9a90:96ff:fedb:81ad> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)16:46
*** nomeata <nomeata!~jojo@nomeata.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)16:47
*** patinux_ <patinux_!~patinux@unaffiliated/patinux> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)16:47
*** xfade_ <xfade_!~xfade@81.82.255.216> has joined #jollamobile16:48
lainwir3danyone knows a good code editor for sailfish ? With syntax highlighting & so on16:48
Yanielvim16:48
lainwir3dAnd by code editor, I mean a non-terminal one16:48
lainwir3ddamn, too late16:48
lainwir3d:P16:49
Yaniel:P16:49
Smargvim?16:49
Yanielhas that been ported to wayland already?16:50
Smardunno, I use xorg still16:50
Smarbut kwrite for wayland16:50
lainwir3dkwrite for wayland would be awesome16:51
lainwir3dwith vim mode16:51
Smardon’t kde kind of support wayland already?16:51
Yanielkind of yes16:52
lainwir3dI think so, with KF516:52
giucamkwrite/kate work fine on wayland16:55
*** radekp <radekp!~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)16:58
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@fedora/SePhIr0tH> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)17:02
nh1402Yaniel: as long as Android still uses Java then Java is going to stick around, that and legacy applications17:12
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)17:15
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile17:17
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)17:18
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile17:22
*** citylight2 <citylight2!~me@bzq-218-29-26.cablep.bezeqint.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)17:22
*** r0kk3rz <r0kk3rz!~chatzilla@host-92-23-138-74.as13285.net> has joined #jollamobile17:23
*** Sailor-2gether <Sailor-2gether!~Sailor@ipbcc242af.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #jollamobile17:25
*** PeperJohnny <PeperJohnny!~johnny@2a02:8109:1e40:2ce0:9bd4:a721:914f:6b2> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)17:27
*** Sequenced <Sequenced!~Sequenced@91-157-191-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined #jollamobile17:27
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::fb6c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)17:28
*** cristi <cristi!~majeru@131.228.216.129> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)17:33
*** towhatend <towhatend!~alex@h-12-9.a329.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #jollamobile17:42
*** Nokius_ <Nokius_!~Nokius@p5DDB53A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #jollamobile17:55
*** Nokius <Nokius!~Nokius@p5DDB74E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)17:59
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)18:00
*** onurati <onurati!~onurati@HSI-KBW-109-192-027-080.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #jollamobile18:01
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile18:03
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-71-21-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)18:03
*** Lipevakala <Lipevakala!~sailfish@85-76-71-21-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile18:03
*** nander_zzz <nander_zzz!~quassel@2001:67c:2564:331:e23f:49ff:fe1b:c4cd> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)18:07
*** nander <nander!~quassel@2001:67c:2564:331:e23f:49ff:fe1b:c4cd> has joined #jollamobile18:09
*** tomcat_berlin <tomcat_berlin!~thomas@f052065154.adsl.alicedsl.de> has joined #jollamobile18:10
*** FlameReaper-PC <FlameReaper-PC!~FR@175.138.170.82> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)18:11
*** jjanvier <jjanvier!~jjanvier@bea44-2-88-190-0-118.fbxo.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)18:18
*** onurati <onurati!~onurati@HSI-KBW-109-192-027-080.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)18:19
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)18:24
*** sletta <sletta!~sletta@231.170.102.62.customer.cdi.no> has quit IRC (Quit: sletta)18:26
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile18:28
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has joined #jollamobile18:32
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@bgn92-3-82-227-223-155.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #jollamobile18:33
*** Sailor-2gether <Sailor-2gether!~Sailor@ipbcc242af.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)18:39
*** radekp <radekp!~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz> has joined #jollamobile18:40
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::fb6c> has joined #jollamobile18:40
*** AlmAck <AlmAck!~AlmAck@191.68.198.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has joined #jollamobile18:42
*** electrolux_off is now known as electrolux18:43
*** TimGremalm <TimGremalm!~TimGremal@h-140-31.a336.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2)18:43
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::fb6c> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...)18:51
*** TimGremalm <TimGremalm!~TimGremal@h-140-31.a336.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #jollamobile18:57
*** martyone <martyone!~martyone@ip-4-23.hlucinnet.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)19:03
*** Nokius_work <Nokius_work!~Nokius@46.189.45.234> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)19:04
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::faaf> has joined #jollamobile19:07
*** nib_ <nib_!~nib@109.110.66.10> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)19:09
*** nib <nib!~nib@109.110.66.10> has joined #jollamobile19:09
*** lainwir3d <lainwir3d!~lainwir3d@bgn92-3-82-227-223-155.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)19:10
*** HarhaanJohtaja <HarhaanJohtaja!~Tarja@host-109-204-167-4.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net> has joined #jollamobile19:19
*** electrolux is now known as electrolux_off19:26
*** ortylp <ortylp!~ortylp@HSI-KBW-149-172-166-78.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #jollamobile19:26
*** M4rtinK <M4rtinK!~M4rtinK@ip-37-188-134-178.eurotel.cz> has joined #jollamobile19:33
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)19:35
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile19:39
*** Sailor-2gether <Sailor-2gether!~Sailor@ipbcc242af.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #jollamobile19:47
*** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::faaf> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)19:50
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)19:51
*** jjarven <jjarven!~jjarven@2001:999:34:213:a939:400a:876b:ba57> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)19:52
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile19:54
*** onurati <onurati!~onurati@HSI-KBW-109-192-027-080.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #jollamobile19:59
*** jjarven <jjarven!~jjarven@2001:999:34:213:687c:436f:1fe0:991c> has joined #jollamobile20:05
*** M4rtinK <M4rtinK!~M4rtinK@ip-37-188-134-178.eurotel.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)20:10
*** gexc <gexc!~gexc@61.164.42.142> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)20:12
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)20:15
*** cvp <cvp!~chris@p5DC57643.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #jollamobile20:15
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)20:22
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile20:25
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #jollamobile20:27
*** nomeata <nomeata!~jojo@nomeata.de> has joined #jollamobile20:28
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)20:32
*** nutellazwerg <nutellazwerg!~nutellazw@p200300720F4C254318DF4EF5D85602A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #jollamobile20:34
*** itbaron <itbaron!~kvirc@a88-115-15-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)20:38
*** Sequenced <Sequenced!~Sequenced@91-157-191-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)20:39
*** Sailor-2gether <Sailor-2gether!~Sailor@ipbcc242af.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...)20:43
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #jollamobile20:43
*** andybranson <andybranson!~abranson@pcuwe04.cern.ch> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)20:44
*** andybranson <andybranson!~abranson@pcuwe04.cern.ch> has joined #jollamobile20:45
*** alexxy <alexxy!~alexxy@gentoo/developer/alexxy> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)20:46
*** louisdk <louisdk!~louisdk@static-5-103-130-65.seas-nve.net> has joined #jollamobile20:46
*** Shinryuu <Shinryuu!~shn@85-76-113-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: ε=ε=ε=┌(;*´Д`)ノ HYAAA)20:47
*** Shinryuu <Shinryuu!~shn@85-76-113-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #jollamobile20:47
*** alexxy <alexxy!~alexxy@gentoo/developer/alexxy> has joined #jollamobile20:48
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)20:49
nanderNow my jolla decided to stop playing the ringtone when it's called. Instead, after the call fails it sounds a call failed sound20:54
nander(network failure)20:54
*** Nokius_ is now known as Nokius20:57
*** Sfiet_Konstantin <Sfiet_Konstantin!~sk@195-132-24-78.rev.numericable.fr> has joined #jollamobile20:57
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #jollamobile21:00
*** dirkvl_ <dirkvl_!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #jollamobile21:01
*** newin <newin!~newin@37.164.30.83> has joined #jollamobile21:01
fennekkinander: is it making other sounds? like UI sounds?21:01
fennekkisometimes mine stops sounds entirely then it randomly shuts down21:01
nanderIt's making UI sounds21:02
nanderOther than that the speed is now retardedly slow21:02
nanderThe OS is two years old now, and yet I still feel it's unreliable21:03
nanderModern android seems more sleek and more reliable21:03
nander(5.x)21:03
nanderTo me it seems like Jolla lost the battl21:03
nanderbattle*21:03
*** ortylp <ortylp!~ortylp@HSI-KBW-149-172-166-78.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)21:04
Yanielsurprise, modern android is like 10 years older21:04
Yanielit'd be worrying if it still wasn't usable21:04
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)21:05
nanderYaniel, but still, when Jolla started it was UI-wise ahead of android, but android overtook it in my opinion21:05
*** dirkvl_ <dirkvl_!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)21:05
Yanielyeah swiping is severely underused now21:06
Yanielbecause "the market is not ready for it"21:06
nanderIt's used within apps now21:06
nanderRather than as an OS featur21:06
nanderfeature*21:06
Yanielthe problem is the really good apps have mostly reinvented the relevant stuff21:07
*** tanty is now known as tanty_off21:07
nanderWell, at least android devices don't randomly power off nearly as much as jolla's21:08
Yanielhaven't had issues with that21:08
Yanieland isn't that more of a hw issue21:08
Yaniel(which, agreed, could have been taken way better care of)21:09
nanderIt's the combination that to me makes it a poor device21:10
nanderThe software is unreliable, and so is the hardware21:10
nanderWhen actually using it, I can never use my jolla to get through the day21:10
nanderActual use is more like 6 hours21:10
Yanielno problems here21:11
Yanielwell, depending on use21:11
r0kk3rzyeah i think its one of those YMMV type things21:12
r0kk3rzsome people can go for days, some not so much21:12
Yanielbut yes, the overall quality varies way too much for its own good21:12
Yanielbetween devices21:12
r0kk3rzyeah21:12
Yaniellet's just hope the fairphone port gets official soon enough21:14
r0kk3rzyeah who knows21:14
r0kk3rzbut that might suffer quality issues as well, since its also a bit of an experimental device21:14
nanderAnd I really really hate how I can't buy a spare battery21:15
nanderAnd jolla support claims a poor battery isn't a reason for support21:15
nanderSince it's over a year old21:15
Yanieluhhh21:15
nanderSo basically it's a horrible phone now, and abandoned by it's maker after a year21:15
Yanielmy laptop battery was basically dead after 5 years21:15
r0kk3rznander: the desire 310 battery seems to be the best we're going to get I think21:15
nanderWhich is just as bad as an android device21:15
Yanielgot it replaced, the new one is almost as dead after 1.5 years21:16
nanderr0kk3rz: I actually think I'll demand a partial refund21:16
nanderBecause the product was defective by design (a) and the specifications were lies21:16
nanderIf you're going to claim replacable battery and don't offer replacement batteries21:16
r0kk3rznander: that was always a risk when you buy a phone from a startup, there was no guarantee that jolla would still be sailing two years after the fact21:16
nanderThat sounds like consumer misinformation to me21:16
nanderAnd if the device stops being useful due to that fact...21:17
nanderI've missed way too many phonecalls thanks to my jolla21:17
nanderI simply can't rely on it21:17
YanielI get calls so rarely I wouldn't even notice if I missed one or two21:18
nanderWho knows, perhaps the battery ran out, perhaps it shut down, or rebooted and the sim isn't unlocked21:18
the_mgtthere is a brazillion of threads about that on together.jolla.com21:18
nanderthe_mgt, and why isn't the bug fixed in software then21:18
the_mgtwhile it is sad that it is needed in the first place, most people seem to be able to fix their issues with those hints21:19
nanderGreat, the community reports bugs21:19
nanderIt's not just sad, it's insane21:19
the_mgtbecause it is a/several hardware issues21:19
the_mgtyou can't fix a lot of hardware with a software update21:19
nanderthe_mgt: if you have hardware issues, you either supply replacement parts, or repair, or replace or refund21:19
the_mgtthen do so and stop ranting21:20
nanderOtherwise you're a bad company21:20
nanderI don't want to read through threads looking for issues21:20
nanderI want to do as a consumer is entitled to do: say: My device is broken and it's within warranty21:20
nanderGo fix21:20
the_mgtbut you seem to have enough time to irc about them21:20
r0kk3rznander: you're perfectly free to take it up with care21:21
kimmoliit is not going to get fixed by its own. contact care and arrange repair.21:21
r0kk3rzas you say, you're a consumer, your device is within warranty, talking to care is the process21:21
the_mgtlook, I am not happy with a bunch of things on/in my jolla phone. lots of issues got fixed by asking for a clue here or following advice from together.jolla.com21:21
the_mgtnothing gets fixed by ranting here21:22
the_mgtit only helps to blow off some steam21:22
kimmoli...and seems there is a limit with steam we can handle? no?21:23
*** JLP_ <JLP_!~quassel@cpe-31-15-202-132.cable.telemach.net> has joined #jollamobile21:23
Yaniel*Steeeeaamm*21:23
the_mgthm, does the steam app work in dalvik? need to try21:24
Yanielyes21:24
r0kk3rzsteam? this is not engine, this is internet21:24
r0kk3rzon internet we have rage, not steam21:24
Yanielthe app works flawlessly as far as I've tried21:24
kimmoliinternet works on dead bugs21:24
nanderthe_mgt yes, it is, but running dalvik means your battery flies away21:24
the_mgtmine doesnt21:24
*** JLP <JLP!~quassel@kde/developer/repinc> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)21:24
the_mgtphone works as long as most other smart phones I used. the ericson m610i was worse, but that was a prototype. the w580i was brilliant, but no smartphone21:26
*** nutellazwerg <nutellazwerg!~nutellazw@p200300720F4C254318DF4EF5D85602A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)21:26
* Yaniel pondering if it is worth looking for a new phone before summer21:26
the_mgti'd still need a phone with hardware qwertz keyboard21:27
the_mgtor at least a good portable bt keyboard21:27
nh1402Yaniel: when is summer for you?21:28
Yanielaround midsummer next year21:28
r0kk3rzYaniel: but what to choose?!21:28
*** birdzhang_afk <birdzhang_afk!~birdzhang@183.61.112.4> has joined #jollamobile21:29
the_mgtthe waytools/textblade guys are at least failing in parallel to the jolla tablet. that is one of the bitterest ironies i experienced in a while21:29
Yanielthe thing is I'm planning to go abroad for student exchange and I'm not sure whatever I'd get would work there21:29
r0kk3rzYaniel: that entirely depends on where 'abroad' is i think21:29
*** nomeata <nomeata!~jojo@nomeata.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Client exiting)21:29
HtheB'21:29
Yanieleast asia21:30
*** birdzhang <birdzhang!~birdzhang@183.61.112.4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)21:30
r0kk3rzso like korea? japan?21:30
Yanielprobably japan, not locked yet21:30
r0kk3rzi had no issues with my ausphone in japan last year21:31
r0kk3rzsame freqs as europe really21:31
nh1402so gsm21:31
r0kk3rzpretty sure I had 3g data21:31
r0kk3rzsince that was all my phone supported at the time21:32
r0kk3rzbeing an old htc21:32
*** restless_being_ is now known as restless_being21:32
nh1402Yaniel: what do you use your phone for21:32
Yanielatm mostly for irc ^^, some web browsing when I don't have a pc at hand21:33
Yanielthere I suspect my focus will shift more towards email21:34
nh1402what's your current phone21:35
*** jonwil <jonwil!~jonwil@27-33-80-219.tpgi.com.au> has joined #jollamobile21:35
r0kk3rzYaniel: you'll probably be fine with any euro phone, its the US you need to worry about these days21:35
r0kk3rzunfortunately the phone market calmed down a bit in japan from the good old days21:36
nh1402Yaniel: what's your current phone, and what would your budget be21:37
r0kk3rzwhere they used to practically give away phones that were 6 months old, because they couldnt sell them anymore21:37
Yanielcurrent is jolla121:37
nh1402I believe Sharp are big in Japan21:37
nh1402the Aquos series21:37
*** Sfiet_Konstantin <Sfiet_Konstantin!~sk@195-132-24-78.rev.numericable.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)21:37
r0kk3rzyeah, because its japanese21:37
r0kk3rzif its japanese then its big in japan, thats how it works21:38
*** RoKenn <RoKenn!~RoKenn@2001:a61:2122:b801:21e5:94b6:b750:8ab0> has joined #jollamobile21:38
nh1402I'm aware, I was just mentioning it since they don't really release many phones outside of Japan21:38
nh1402Sony aren't actually that big anymore in Japan I don't think, they still have a good market share but not as much as they used to.21:39
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #jollamobile21:39
r0kk3rzdidnt really pay that much attention to what people were using when i was there21:40
*** Sailor11736 <Sailor11736!~sailfish@mobile-access-5d6a34-242.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)21:40
r0kk3rzim sure i saw loads of iphones21:40
nh1402disgusting21:40
r0kk3rzbut all the random household appliances were all japanese21:41
nh1402hate the way Apple talk down to you during their keynotes21:43
r0kk3rznh1402: people love that though, i assume anyway, because they keep lapping it up21:44
nh1402they are brainwashed21:44
*** cxl000 <cxl000!~cxl000@c27-253-5-120.brodm4.vic.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)21:44
r0kk3rzquite possibly21:44
r0kk3rzbut when your attention span can only just last through a buzzfeed list article, maybe you need to be talked down to21:45
nh1402they think because Apple have done it, it's better. "Oh the camera's better", "Oh the screen is better", "the custom keyboards are better"21:45
nh1402camera is made by Sony not Apple, Screen is made by JDI not Apple21:46
r0kk3rzwell the most important part of the 'camera' is the image processor21:46
nh1402and then there's the iOS features which were blatently ripped off from Android and they automatically assume it's better.21:47
r0kk3rzwhich is designed by apple at least, manufacturered by samsung/tsmc21:47
nh1402true, but the latest one has gone down hill, not nearly as good.21:48
*** dirkvl <dirkvl!~dirkvl@52D91535.cm-11-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)21:48
nh1402then there's the battery they shrink the battery every year, they never mention the amount of RAM (or the battery capacity)21:48
r0kk3rznh1402: your point can be summarized by 'slick marketing works'21:48
*** nib <nib!~nib@109.110.66.10> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)21:49
*** citylight2 <citylight2!~me@84.111.153.0> has joined #jollamobile21:49
*** nib <nib!~nib@109.110.66.10> has joined #jollamobile21:49
nh1402it's complete BS, I sat through watching one of the keynotes once via a livestream for about a minute or so, and the amount of BS that they say is ridiculous21:50
r0kk3rzyeah its funny21:50
nh1402that photo burst thing, is just a 1 second video21:50
r0kk3rzthe language they use is completely over the top21:50
r0kk3rzi loved the leadup to the iphone 6 reveal21:50
nh1402I'm sure I'm going to regret this but what was it21:51
nh1402i believe I removed it from memory.21:51
*** M4rtinK <M4rtinK!~M4rtinK@ip-89-177-124-111.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #jollamobile21:51
Yanielrelevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx7v815bYUw21:51
*** HarhaanJohtaja <HarhaanJohtaja!~Tarja@host-109-204-167-4.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)21:51
Yanieland this was back in the Jobs days21:52
r0kk3rzbasically "the first iphone was revolutionary, and we're set to revolutionise the world again"...21:52
r0kk3rz...*big picture reveal* "Look! its got a big screen!"21:52
nh1402that reminds me about the ipad pro thing, blatently ripped off from surface pro and with it running a mobile OS completely useless21:53
*** qqK <qqK!~qqK@whdd-8174.wh13.tu-dresden.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Bouncers suck.)21:53
nh1402and obscenely expensive21:53
nh1402could make a very good gaming pc for that price which beats it in every way21:53
r0kk3rznh1402: the funny thing is, people have wanted a tablet with OSX since they released the ipad21:54
nh1402and they *still* haven't made one.21:54
r0kk3rzindeed21:54
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)21:54
*** cb400f <cb400f!~cb400f@opensuse/member/Cb400f> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)21:54
nh1402http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/09/comic-predicted-ipad-pro-keyboard/21:55
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has joined #jollamobile21:55
nh1402why would you put 4 speakers facing away from the user, placed exactly where you would hold the damn thing21:56
*** Froberg <Froberg!~froberg@unaffiliated/froberg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)21:56
nh1402so predictable21:56
nh1402r0kk3rz: did you here that Jim Keller is apparently working at Samsung now21:58
r0kk3rzi wonder if jobs were still around, whether he would have gone full 'fuck it we're doing 5 blades' yet21:58
*** Pilke <Pilke!~Pilke@85-76-43-105-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC ()21:59
r0kk3rznh1402: orly? wonder what ol sammy has him doing21:59
nh1402well so far they've just been putting standard ARM cores in their SoCs. So he's going to design a custom one for them, just like he's done for AMD and Apple22:01
nh1402will be interesting to see where he jumps to next in 2 or 3 years time22:01
nh1402r0kk3rz: Jobs is a lot more stubborn than Cook, He was reluctant to up the screen size for the iPhone 5 I'm quite sure he wouldn't have agreed to the iPhone 6 size and definitely not the 6 plus.22:04
YanielI wish he was still around to disagree on those22:04
r0kk3rznh1402: thats my point, he wouldnt follow his competitors, he would go 'fuck it we're doing 5 blades'22:05
nh1402and I'm not sure if that was sarcasm earlier, I'm sure quite a lot of people don't know who Jim Keller is and what he's capable of.22:05
nh1402what do you mean by 5 blades22:05
r0kk3rznh1402: http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-1105622:06
nh1402that's what they're like, we need to make the phone thinner, and thinner22:09
r0kk3rzyeah22:09
nh1402phones are coming with 4gb ram now, and *now* they decide to fit 2gb.22:10
nh1402a few years ago phones were quad core and they decided to go dual-core22:11
jonwilWhen was the last time Apple came up with something genuinely new rather than taking something someone else made, calling it new, convincing the USPTO that it was new and getting a BS patent on it that they can then use to sue all the Android guys?22:12
nh1402next year they'll probably fit a fhd screen into the 7 when all the others have had it for 3 or 4 years, phones are even coming out with 4k displays22:12
*** towhatend <towhatend!~alex@h-12-9.a329.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)22:13
nh1402jonwil: well force touch on their laptops, they were bound to put it on their phones, I'm sure they're in the process of suing Huawei now22:13
nh1402and Synaptics when phones come out with their touch panels.22:14
nh1402but before that, nothing.22:15
nh1402jonwil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFeC25BM9E022:15
jonwilThe 2 biggest reasons I refuse to have anything to do with Apple are their BS lawsuits against everyone else (seems like the way business works these days is that if you cant compete, sue your competitors out of business) and their total lock-down of the devices22:15
r0kk3rztim cook might not be quite as ruthless on the law suit front22:16
YanielI take it you boycot MS and Google as well then?22:16
r0kk3rzbut yeah, total lockdown of devices is a bit of a turn off22:16
jonwilGoogle isn't suing all their competitors like Apple is22:17
r0kk3rzthey all do it to a certain extent22:17
nh1402the reasons why I refuse to buy Apple products: obscene cost, BS marketing, talking down to their customers, locked down devices, outdated technology particularly in their phones which is 3 or 4 years old.22:17
*** Mr_K <Mr_K!~Mr_K@AAnnecy-651-1-271-71.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #jollamobile22:18
r0kk3rzyou have to admit though, its a working formula22:18
nh140212mp camera first found in the Xperia T 4 years ago, 720p screen found 4 years go, dual core again 4 years ago22:18
*** grnet <grnet!~aporos@ppp-94-69-102-2.home.otenet.gr> has joined #jollamobile22:19
*** taaem <taaem!~taaem@f054118251.adsl.alicedsl.de> has joined #jollamobile22:19
jonwilAs for Microsoft, the last Microsoft product I bought was probably Windows 7 (or maybe an el-cheapo keyboard although I dont use MS keyboard or mouse now)22:19
jonwilI am specifically boycotting Windows 10 because of the crap and goings on22:20
r0kk3rzyeah i went from kinda looking forward to win10, to installing arch linux22:20
Yanielhaha :D22:21
jonwilI need Windows mostly for games that dont exist on Linux and also Visual Studio for working on mods for said games.22:21
Yanielwell tbh arch linux seems to work better22:21
Yanieleven for that22:21
nh1402r0kk3rz: then look at Blackberry, they were so highly rated what like 10 years ago now, and they just fizzled out, they went all in on the teen market that when Android and the first iPhone came out, the fad died and all the teens bought iPhones. They were left with nothing.22:21
*** onurati <onurati!~onurati@HSI-KBW-109-192-027-080.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)22:22
jonwilI do run a Linux VM for N900 development though :)22:22
r0kk3rznh1402: sure, things change. but 200B can buy a lot of time22:22
nh1402I have no idea how they are sponsoring Mercedes F122:23
r0kk3rzyeah thats true22:23
r0kk3rzsomeone on the board must be a hamilton fan22:23
nh1402I hate him22:23
nh1402the team clearly favour him over Rosberg22:24
r0kk3rzyeah i guess its hard to be truely impartial22:24
nh1402you can see it on their face when it cuts to them when Rosberg beats him22:24
r0kk3rzwell, merc is a german brand, but the team are all brits22:25
nh1402no loyalty, Rosberg has been them for years now22:25
nh1402Rosberg is technically German, although his father is Finnish.22:26
r0kk3rzi count rosberg as a fin22:26
nh1402so do I22:26
nh1402Lauda the non-executive chairman is Danish, right?22:27
r0kk3rzyes, keke rosberg is famous finnish driver, the fact that his mum is german is kinda not important22:27
r0kk3rzi thought lauda was german or austrian or something22:28
r0kk3rzyeah austrian22:28
nh1402and the team principal of Mercedes defected from Williams, his wife still works at Williams as the test driver22:28
nh1402my bad22:28
nh1402and I'm sure he still owns some shares in Williams.22:29
r0kk3rzyeah probably22:31
r0kk3rzthey are basically a satellite merc team atm22:32
nh1402Bottas is really good, I believe Ferrari have been trying to get a hold of him22:33
nh1402consistently outperforming his more experienced teammate who was technically world champion for a few minutes.22:33
r0kk3rzdefinitely punching above his weight thats for sure22:34
nh1402I'm sure once either Williams get properly competitive or he goes to Ferrari that he'll really give Hamilton a run for his money22:35
nh1402for a fraction of the salary22:35
r0kk3rzyeah who knows what next season will bring22:35
r0kk3rzhopefully a stronger renault22:35
r0kk3rzand a honda that can last a race22:36
r0kk3rzno doubt kimi has lost interest again and will go rally racing22:36
r0kk3rzor go to WEC22:37
r0kk3rzgive up his ferrari spot for bottas22:37
nh1402well Kimi has signed on for another year, but its clear he's lost interest again or something, he's just not performing.22:40
jonwilThe way things are going Red Bull may show up to the first race in Australia without any engine22:40
jonwilFerrari and Mercedes said no because they didn't want to give their engines to a competitor22:40
nh1402I believe Hakkinen got Bottas into F122:41
jonwilHonda initially sort of said yes but then Williams exercised their veto rights and told Honda not to sell to Red Bull (Williams was probably worried that Red Bull cars with Honda engines might actually be competitive)22:42
nh1402Mclaren22:42
nh1402Williams have Mercedes engines22:42
jonwiloh yeah my mistake22:42
r0kk3rzi dont think RBR would run with honda engines22:42
r0kk3rzgiven their current state22:42
nh1402well in the last race in those conditions the car was some what competitive22:42
nh1402so it is improving22:43
r0kk3rzyeah its a good chassis, but so far down on power22:43
jonwilSeems like the only hope Red Bull have is if they can kiss and make up with Renault, get Renault engines for 2016 and throw everything into making those engines competitive with the Ferrari, Mercedes and Honda engines22:43
nh1402and if the deal with Red Bull and VW goes through then they'll eventually make their own engine22:43
jonwilThe deal with VW failed because of the whole diesel scandal causing VW to drop any forward-looking projects they didn't need to keep to focus on dieselgate22:44
nh1402well there's always Cosworth engines, but they aren't competitive either22:44
r0kk3rzlike i said to the guys at work; I'll make them an engine! for that many million anyway22:44
*** grnet <grnet!~aporos@ppp-94-69-102-2.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)22:45
M4rtinKif there just were not so many pesky rules in the competition :)22:45
nh1402don't you dare use the word "gate" in anything but a  gate and fence related discussion22:45
r0kk3rzdo cosworth even have a v6 turbo hybrid thing these days?22:45
M4rtinKeverything would be simpler, cheaper and faster :)22:45
M4rtinK(and much more dangerous :D)22:45
nh1402well no one has signed on with them, but I'm sure they can whip something up as soon as a deal is signed22:46
nh1402and I'm sure it would outperform the Honda engine !22:46
r0kk3rzi'm not so sure about that, these new fangled whatsits seem to be a whole new ball game22:47
nh1402aren't there new rules next year, wider rear tyres and some other weird stuff about refuelling22:47
r0kk3rzno refuel, big tyres22:47
r0kk3rzaero changes22:47
r0kk3rzsecondary exhaust22:47
nh1402there was something about refueling not proper refueling but sonthing22:47
r0kk3rzunless they've changed their mind again22:48
M4rtinKaerial refueling ? :)22:48
r0kk3rzdrone refuelling22:48
M4rtinKdrones with fuel cans ? :)22:48
nh1402https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/headlines/2015/5/refuelling-set-to-return-in-2017.html22:48
*** phaeron <phaeron!~phaeron@82-181-126-164.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)22:48
r0kk3rzyeah they scrapped that idea22:48
*** XenoPL <XenoPL!~Xeno@159-205-134-114.adsl.inetia.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)22:48
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)22:50
nh1402What I don't get is why F1 cars don't use airless tyres22:50
r0kk3rzairless tyres are heavy22:50
jonwilI recon F1 these days has far too many rules and regulations and BS. Go back to the days of anything goes where teams could push the limits and use wind tunnels to get that extra tiny fraction of a second out of their cars and stuff.22:50
jonwilIf the F1 authorities are worried about costs, just impose a spending cap to make it fair on everyone22:51
jonwilSome teams would spend more on having the best drivers22:51
jonwiland some would spend more on having the best cars22:51
nh1402r0kk3rz but it could mean less suspension work22:51
r0kk3rznh1402: less? the suspension doesnt do much already, its all tyre sidewall22:51
M4rtinKI can see just gaming the complicated rules as a sport/game in itself :)22:52
nh1402jonwil: they've talked about spending caps for years, the big teams always threaten to leave if they enforce it22:52
r0kk3rzless give in tyres would mean more suspension work, which is probably better because thats what its for22:52
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile22:53
nh1402theres more give in airless tyres22:53
r0kk3rzdefine airless?22:54
r0kk3rzyou mean solid rubber or a tweel?22:54
*** ahjolinna <ahjolinna!~ahjolinna@mobile-access-5d6af9-124.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)22:55
nh1402https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTKEN07C2E822:55
nh1402tweel22:55
*** ahjolinna <ahjolinna!~ahjolinna@mobile-access-5d6af9-124.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #jollamobile22:55
r0kk3rzah22:55
r0kk3rzfind me one that can do 300kph without self destructing22:55
nh1402bridgestone and michelin make them but pirelli don't as far as I know.22:56
nh1402haven't seen any sports car with them so it's unknown22:56
nh1402could be better, could be worse22:56
r0kk3rzthats my point, the reason why we dont see them on road cars is that they're shithouse at speed22:57
nh1402have they even been tested at speed22:57
r0kk3rzgreat for slow speed offroad stuff though22:57
r0kk3rzthats why the military use them22:57
*** RoKenn <RoKenn!~RoKenn@2001:a61:2122:b801:21e5:94b6:b750:8ab0> has quit IRC (Quit: NSA proxy service interrupted)22:58
nh1402but have they been tested at speed22:59
nh1402another thing that I don't know why the f1 cars haven't incorporated is bladeless fans into the airducts.22:59
r0kk3rzwell yeah, and by speed i mean normal roadcar type speeds22:59
nh1402https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccKHIK2fj0 according to this video it looks like it works23:01
*** radekp <radekp!~radek@63.120.broadband10.iol.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)23:01
*** Shinryuu <Shinryuu!~shn@85-76-113-245-nat.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: zzz)23:01
nh1402and that was 6 years ago, it must have improved since then23:02
r0kk3rzim familiarish with the tech, but obviously still in development23:02
*** nib_ <nib_!~nib@109.110.66.10> has joined #jollamobile23:05
*** nib <nib!~nib@109.110.66.10> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)23:05
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)23:06
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile23:09
nh1402it's funny how its turned from what phone Yaniel should get -> phones in Japan -> iPhones in Japan -> Digusting Apple -> Blackberry kicked between the legs when Android and the first iPhone came about -> how Blackberry are sponsoring Mercedes F1 -> F1 regulations -> airless tyres23:11
*** ottulonen is now known as ottulo23:14
r0kk3rzyeah thats what happens when you have know-it-alls with an opinion on everything23:17
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)23:17
*** leinir <leinir!~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir> has joined #jollamobile23:17
r0kk3rzfrom consumer advice to business strategy, to high tech car design23:17
nh1402but still no one is helping with android app support for Sailfish23:20
*** AlmAck <AlmAck!~AlmAck@191.68.198.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)23:23
*** r0kk3rz <r0kk3rz!~chatzilla@host-92-23-138-74.as13285.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)23:24
nh1402I'm hoping I can get my input app working this week, then all thats left is to stabilise Android, find a way to get back to Sailfish when you're done with the Android app, and then the extremely difficult task of customising the Android ROM to get the Android apps showing within Sailfish23:26
*** imunsie <imunsie!~imunsie@14-200-131-217.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #jollamobile23:26
*** disharmonic <disharmonic!~disharmon@unaffiliated/disharmonic> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)23:27
*** Mr_K <Mr_K!~Mr_K@AAnnecy-651-1-271-71.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)23:29
*** nh1402 <nh1402!~Thunderbi@95.148.89.61> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)23:32
*** protem <protem!~protem@unaffiliated/protem> has joined #jollamobile23:34
*** cvp <cvp!~chris@p5DC57643.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)23:35
*** taaem <taaem!~taaem@f054118251.adsl.alicedsl.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)23:37
*** Nc_ <Nc_!~nc@109.132.158.3> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)23:39
*** FlameReaper-PC <FlameReaper-PC!~FR@175.137.168.191> has joined #jollamobile23:43
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)23:46
*** oida <oida!~oida@unaffiliated/oida> has joined #jollamobile23:50
*** SHIHUA <SHIHUA!~sailfish@117.136.31.138> has joined #jollamobile23:55

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!