#jollamobile log for Friday, 2015-11-06

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txtptc_So the images for custom ambiences are zoomed ~177%01:20
txtptc_Even if they would fit without cropping yaay :D01:22
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chriadamDevaux1: depends on what you mean.  There are two parts to it: 1) the account settings (`devel-su pkcon install libaccounts-glib-tools` and then `ag-tool list-accounts` and `ag-tool list-settings ACCOUNTID`), 2) the sync profile settings (~/.cache/msyncd/sync/carddav.Contacts-ACCOUNTID.xml)01:56
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AL13Neugenio: i have quite the problem with the 2nd time 2.0.0.1007:01
AL13Nthe OS identifies itself as 1.1.9.3007:02
AL13Nso i assume the update didn't work well07:02
AL13Nbut07:02
AL13Nnow when i try downloading it, it says that i can't say how big the update is, and i let it try to download the whole night, but it's still busy downloading...07:02
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the_mgtAL13N: to the command line, batman!07:11
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AL13Nthe_mgt: any ideas on how to update?07:31
AL13Nwould something like "pkcon update" work?07:31
AL13Nor maybe i need to remove the downloaded cached update or something?07:32
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MikaelaI think it's some ssu magic07:33
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kimmoliAL13N: what does this say:  ssu s07:36
kimmolido you see any errors in /var/log/systemupdate.log ?07:36
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gexc-phonejust noticed a faint yellow dot on the top left corner of the screen07:55
gexc-phoneis the screen dying :-/07:56
AL13Nkimmoli: sales domain, and reported as 2.0.0.1008:04
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AL13Nkimmoli: Mikaela: this does not look good: http://pastebin.com/5ZRgkcrS08:11
AL13Nthe update seems to be done in a second08:11
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kimmolieverythin there says it is up to date?08:12
AL13Nit seems to not actually do any install08:13
AL13N"Unit maliit-server.service entered failed state."08:14
AL13Ndonno if that's related08:14
kimmolinah that is normal08:14
AL13Nok then08:14
kimmolinew version "2.0.0.10" current version "2.0.0.10"08:14
AL13Nbut the whole update log is basically shutting down, and then starting up again08:14
AL13Nthis must have been the second try i did08:14
AL13Nthe earlier one took longer08:14
kimmolicat /etc/os-release08:14
AL13Nthat still says 1.1.9.3008:15
kimmolicat /home/nemo/.cache/store-client/os-info08:15
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AL13Ni figure that due to ENOSPACE (not actually of of space, but no free btrfs blocks08:15
AL13Nmade it update only partially08:15
AL13NcodeName=Saimaa08:16
AL13N2.0.0.1008:16
AL13Ni figure the update was done, but some or all rpms failed08:16
AL13Nany pkcon to continue the update?08:16
kimmoliwhat does "downloaded=" say there?08:17
AL13NdownloadSize=008:18
AL13Ndownloaded=false08:18
AL13Nbeen trying to download the whole night08:18
kimmolidelete /home/nemo/.cache/store-client/os-info -file, reboot, and try once more08:18
AL13Nit says something like "i cannot find the update size"08:18
AL13Nk08:18
kimmolior if it fails still, maybe last resort version --dup08:19
AL13Nversion --dup ?08:20
kimmolisearch tjc for various threads about that08:20
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AL13Nkimmoli: when i go there, it says 1.1.9.3008:24
AL13Nthen i do check for update08:24
AL13Nand i get the 2.0.0.1008:24
AL13Nand then it says preparing update08:24
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AL13Nand the message "problem with store: can not find downloaded size"08:25
AL13Nif i would continue from this, it would just endlessly download08:25
kimmoliy08:25
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AL13Ni wonder what it is, because, network works and internet too08:26
kimmolithen ssu s ? if 2.0.0.10 then version --dup08:26
AL13Nthis will restore my version to 1.1.9.30? and hopefully not destroy everything?08:27
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AL13Nkimmoli: is it this: https://together.jolla.com/question/116139/20010-upgrade-failed-wlan-networking-broken-11930/ ?08:28
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kimmolithe first answer there looks promising08:30
kimmoli(the one starting with DISCLAIMER)08:30
AL13Nheh08:31
AL13Nyeah08:31
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AL13Nbtw: i should disable mer-tools before update, right?08:31
AL13Nsince that's what i've seen in the update log08:31
kimmolishould not be issue, just disable all openrepos08:31
kimmoliversion --dup does not disable08:31
AL13Ni mean in the system update log, i saw it disable mer-tools and store08:34
AL13Nbefore actually trying update08:34
AL13Ni have no openrepos or otherwise08:34
AL13Ni did lose "less" it seems08:34
kimmoliah, if it disables it, then disable it too08:34
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AL13Nhmm, pkcon refresh has error:08:35
AL13NFatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)08:35
AL13Nodd08:35
kimmolihave you tried to remove your jolla account, and re-add it?08:35
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AL13Nhttp://pastebin.com/mgvk3bix08:36
AL13Nkimmoli: no, i didn't08:36
AL13Nodd that i could get the update and i have no store issues itself08:37
AL13Nmaybe i shouldn't do pkcon refresh as devel-su08:37
kimmolipkcon refresh as devel-su should not say auth error08:37
AL13Ngrr08:39
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AL13Nkimmoli: is it normal that i have twice "customer-jolla" repos08:43
kimmolidunno08:43
AL13Ni'm trying to set release to 1.1.9.3008:46
AL13Nas "version" shows08:46
AL13Nremoving store-info file and reboot08:47
AL13Nif this fails, i'll try version --dup08:47
AL13Nssu set release xxx i mean08:47
AL13Ndidn't work08:48
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Devaux1Managed to sync Cal/CardDAV from Owncloud with Sailfish 2 \o/08:49
Devaux1There are nor special folders needed while setup08:49
entilDevaux1: without issues? I have mismatching contacts08:49
Devaux1entil: I had to export and import my whole list :D08:49
entilinto files or something?08:50
Devaux1First I was thinking that it doesn't work08:50
Devaux1Because I didn't have any contact synced08:50
Devaux1But then I made a new contact in a new contact list08:50
Devaux1And this synced08:50
xfade_AL13N: ssu release 1.1.9.30; ssu domain sales; ssu ur; version --dup08:50
entila new contact list? what's that?08:50
entila group?08:50
Devaux1entil: In Owncloud you can make different lists08:50
Devaux1Not groups08:50
Devaux1On the bottom-settings08:51
entilI deleted one on owncloud, still visible on the phone, and have one on the phone that's not visible in owncloud, so there may be even more discrepancies08:51
Devaux1Oh :(08:51
entilDevaux1: another address book you mean?08:51
Devaux1entil: Right08:51
chriadamentil: did you edit the owncloud contact on your phone after you downsynced it, but before you deleted it from the server?08:51
AL13Nxfade_: tried that08:52
AL13Nstill have ssu auth failed08:52
AL13Nwhich is odd, because i can see the store stuff08:52
xfade_AL13N: can you paste the output for: ssu lr08:52
entilchriadam: no, this is an old number I stored because someone didn't have her phone on, so something I didn't remember I even had, haven't touched it in seven years or so08:52
AL13Nhttp://pastebin.com/mgvk3bix08:52
AL13Nrefresh seems to fail08:53
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xfade_AL13N: try to delete your jolla account from accounts and then add the account again..08:53
AL13N:-(08:53
chriadamentil: hrm.  sounds like a bug.  if you create an issue on either TJC or on git.merproject.org/mer-core/buteo-sync-plugin-carddav I can try to investigate.08:53
xfade_Let's see if it is a token refresh which didn't go ok.08:54
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Devaux1But now I am still searching for the account-config-files of buteo08:54
chriadamDevaux1: I recently fixed a bug in the addressbook-set parsing code in our carddav plugin, which might cause issues in come cases.  2.0.2.x has a bunch of carddav fixes in general.08:54
Devaux1Because figuring out sync-problems in Jolla is pita08:54
entilchriadam: I guess you're the guy I've been chatting with on tjc, https://together.jolla.com/question/116918/caldavcarddav-in-saimaa-20010/08:54
chriadamDevaux1: the account config is stored in the accounts.  `devel-su -p pkcon install libaccounts-glib-tools` and then `ag-tool list-accounts` and `ag-tool list-settings` etc08:54
chriadamentil: most likely ;-)08:55
entilchriadam: sorry about the misunderstanding wrt how caldav is suposed to work :D08:55
chriadamentil: not your fault08:55
Devaux1chriadam: Great! Thanks :)08:55
chriadamDevaux1: the actual files are under ~/.config/libaccounts-glib08:55
entilchriadam: fwiw now I push my calendar events to owncloud by default and am fine with it, it was just confusing to believe that it's the same personal calendar..08:55
chriadambut ag-tool is the simplest way to inspect it08:55
entilaaaanyway, yeah, I really dunno what to do about the missing contact thing; certainly this age-old temp number that I deleted on owncloud was not a favorite08:56
Devaux1chriadam: .db - that's why I never was able to find the file :)08:56
chriadamentil: we should offer a UI option to say "synchronize to separate local calendar" vs "synchronize with existing local calendar" in the accounts UI.  but, that's a feature for a future day.08:56
chriadamDevaux1: yeah, sqlite308:56
entila point of trivia: some of these numbers date back to my nokia 2110, which didn't have first and last names for contacts, so I edit some of the names on owncloud from time to time and sync on the phone, this seems to work08:58
entilchriadam: I'd love that, that's exactly what I'd expect :)08:58
chriadamentil: yeah.  it's on the TODO list, but not a high priority item for us at the moment, unfortunately.  LOOOTS of things need doing ;-)08:59
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AL13Nxfade_: ssu set release 1.1.9.30 does not show "ssu s" as 1.1.9.30; it's still 2.0.0.1008:59
entilchriadam: what's the best way to dump all my contacts off the phone, so I might compare them to what I got on owncloud?08:59
Devaux1chriadam: Would be great if you could edit the whole options in the UI after finishing the setup09:00
AL13Nxfade_: pkcon refresh still gives auth failed09:00
AL13Neven though account was removed and added again09:00
entilapplications -> contacts offers me import09:00
AL13Nxfade_: any other ideas?09:00
chriadamentil: that's a trickier question than you might expect.  we have data segregation, so each online sync account has a separate contact in the db; we then have an "aggregate" contact which picks data from all of those, for display in the People app.09:01
chriadamentil: but the basic / local data:  `devel-su -p vcardconverter -e > vcards.vcf` should work09:01
AL13Nxfade_: i'll have to go soon09:01
AL13Ndo you have any other ideas?09:01
chriadam(well, `devel-su -p vcardconverter` should tell you how ot use it properly, I might have made a mistake)09:01
xfade_AL13N: ssu release 1.1.9.30 (not set)09:02
AL13Nah09:02
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xfade_you can check ssu lr to see if the repo setup changed09:02
AL13Npkcon refresh gives error at percentage 44%09:03
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AL13Nthat should be repository #5 from 909:04
entilchriadam: no bonus09:04
entilchriadam: lemme ssh into the phone for copypaste09:04
AL13Nwhich is "customer-jolla"09:04
AL13Nxfade_: is it normal that "customer-jolla" is listed twice?09:04
entilchriadam: [W] ContactsEngine::ContactsEngine:845 - The 'mergePresenceChanges' option has not been configured - presence changes will only be reported via ContactManagerEngine::contactsPresenceChanged()09:05
entiland it exports 0 contacts09:05
entilthis is regardless of whether or not I use devel-su09:05
lainwir3do/09:05
AL13Ngtg, please continue to give ideas, i'll scroll back later09:05
chriadamentil: try: `devel-su -p contacts-tool`09:05
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entilchriadam: reading skills calling, I forgot the -p :D09:06
entil[D] main:167 - Wrote 572 contacts09:06
entilI have only 314 on my owncloud09:07
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chriadamentil: it may not send pre-existing contacts to the cloud on first sync09:08
chriadamI will investigate that09:08
entilchriadam: I did not have any on owncloud, it was a clean setup09:08
chriadamhrm.09:09
chriadamare they all unique?09:09
chriadamor are some of them linked into others?09:09
entilnow I'm scared of cleaning things up on owncloud, because what if it syncs removals to my phone and I'm screwed :D I guess I could maybe re-import the recent vcf from a minute ago but argh09:09
entilI really can't say.. statistically I might have someone twice, or same names from when the n900 pulled in Skype contacts09:09
entilbut probably not like hundreds of them09:09
chriadamhmm.  it sounds more likely to have been a failed upsync, if it has "missed" hundreds.09:11
entilchriadam: I did this: grep ^N vcards.vcf  | sort | wc -l09:11
entiland then compared to sort -u09:11
entil653 to 57209:11
entilsure that's only the N field09:11
entilfor ^TEL it's 673 to 662 uniques09:12
Teguwhy did you sort them btw? (well okay I guess you had a look at the data at first and just replaced the last command, duh.)09:13
entilsort and sort -u09:13
Teguah, sort -u is different09:13
entilI sorted them initially to make it faster to type in the -u than | unique :D09:13
entilthe kind of little trick that takes 1024 times as many keystrokes to explain than do :D09:13
chriadamsome contacts won't have N if they don't have structured name data, only FN.  Interestingly, I fixed a bug related to that recently (will be released in 2.0.2.x)09:14
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entiloh yeah, that's the stuff from the 2110 days, and having carried the contacts through from phone to phone - my contacts list looks kinda shitty in places :D09:15
entilfor like literally 20 years09:15
chriadam;-)09:15
chriadamwithout seeing the data myself, I think there are two front-runners for causes of your issue:09:15
chriadam1) our plugin didn't handle this "no N field" case properly09:16
entil1) is worth investigating maybe, but the thing here is that the delta between ^TEL and ^N is not that big, so I probably have a ton of them with N intact09:16
chriadam2) the large number of upsyncs might have widened a window for a conneciton error, and perhaps the recovery made a mistake09:16
entilnothing adds up to only 314 in owncloud for 1) anyway imo afaict09:17
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entilthe phone didn't complain about a failed sync, but I'd actually love it if it gave more info on when and how and what it's syncing09:17
chriadamyes, that's another known issue which we definitely need to fix in our UI09:17
entiland have huuuuuuuge infos for things like "hey! your piece-of-crap owncloud closed the connection on me!"09:18
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entilso umm is it safe for me to delete the address book from owncloud and push again? there's probably a uuid or somesuch identifier, so that the phone goes "he removed the address book" instead of "he deleted all his contacts, got to remove them here as well"?09:19
entiliirc I never defined or created a remote Contacts list to sync carddav to, which probably lead to my confusion about calendars as well09:21
chriadamentil: if you're worried, delete your CardDAV account from the device.  then do whatever you need to do, server side, and then re-add the account.09:22
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chriadamto answer your question directly: deleting things server-side should not delete local data if the data is owned by (i.e., was originally from) the device.  BUT09:22
chriadamthe carddav plugin has bugs, obviously.  It's still considered "experimental" so be aware of that I guess.09:23
entildeleting this one contact certainly did not delete it from the phone BUT that's what I want to happen sometimes :D09:23
entilbut ok, so.. I should know that edits work both ways but deletions only from the phone to owncloud?09:23
chriadamnot quite09:23
entilthat's the behavior I'm seeing, disregarding that it's not completely ok currently09:24
entilwrt missing contacts that is09:24
chriadamdeletions work from "original source to synced source", and only the bits of data from the original source will be deleted at te hsynced source.09:24
entilthat explains why I didn't lose the one contact09:24
chriadame.g., contact X on server has fields ABC.  you then sync, so it appears on phone.  on phone, you add field D, and that gets synced both ways.  You then delete X from server, afte rthe sync the contact on the phone will only have D.09:25
entilI never did anything like that, only edit N and FN  type fields09:25
chriadamon the server?  that should result in changes being pushed to the original name, since name details happen to be "unique" per contact09:26
entilyeah, sure, that's what I love about the whole thing, I can edit my 1995 shit conveniently on a web ui and it Just Works on the phone09:27
entilthis is a bit of a broken record (vinyl lp, not vcard) but the only thing that really threw me off were 1) not deleting from the phone after deleting from synced server (you said it's a feature now) and 2) not having everything synced (probably a timeout that wasn't reported)09:28
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entilnow I'm going to grab a cup of coffee and return in a while to dismantle the owncloud account on my phone, copy the vcards.vcf backup file to my computer and recreate the remote contacts address book on owncloud09:29
chriadamgood luck ;-)09:29
chriadamI will be heading home shortly, if you have any questions or whatever, ping me and I will respond tomorrow, or send me an email :-)09:30
entil"chiadam goddamnit it all turned to shit noooooo"09:30
entil:D09:30
entilhopefully all will be wrapped up so that I can answer and close that tjc issue09:30
chriadam;-)09:30
chriadamgnight!09:30
entiland if there would be an option for "allow removal of owned contacts when removed from synced server" I'd be ok with that too09:30
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entillaters09:31
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AL13Ncan anyone give me an "ssu lr" and tell me if "customer-jolla" is listed twice?09:40
ggabrielAL13N: ran as nemo, I can see it only once09:41
fluxI have it zero times.. :) but I'm not yet at the latest version.09:41
AL13Nggabriel: in user or global repositories?09:42
AL13Nwhen i disable that repos, the pkcon refresh works well09:42
AL13Ni'm gonna try upgrading without it09:43
AL13Ndamnit, it didn't work09:46
AL13Ni'm gonna have to try version --dup09:46
ggabrielAL13N: global09:46
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AL13Nversion --dup actually is downloading now since i disabled that one09:49
AL13Nwe'll see how things go09:49
AL13Nggabriel: thx for the help09:49
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AL13Nupgrading...09:51
entilchriadam|away: ain't this grand, there's no contacts showing up online.. hope it's just slow and not failing somehow09:51
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AL13Nlooks like it finished this time09:56
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AL13Ni hope i don't lose something essential by disabling customer-jolla09:56
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AL13Noh shit10:00
AL13Npkcon refresh now has: segfault10:00
AL13N:-(10:00
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AL13Nok, this time no segfault10:02
AL13Nmight 've been just some cache10:02
AL13Nok, so now, i'm on 1.1.9.30 but... how to upgrade to 2.0.0.10?10:04
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tilljust check for updates again?10:06
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AL13Ntill: of course :-)10:22
AL13Nggabriel: till: xfade_: kimmoli: https://together.jolla.com/question/120017/cant-update-to-20010-fatal-error-authentication-failed-is-ssu-set-up-correctly/ <--- i listed what i tried10:23
AL13Nif you might know someone that might know something please alert him/her to this thread :-)10:23
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ggabrielunrelated comment, which somebody else already made: the cover of the clock application is really cool10:31
ggabriellet's see how long it takes for ios/android to copy it10:32
xfade_AL13N: Can you check if you have the file /usr/share/ssu/features.d/customer-jolla.ini ?10:36
AL13Nk10:37
AL13Nxfade_: yes, i do, and it says 1.1.9.3010:38
AL13Ner10:39
AL13Ni mean10:39
AL13Nversion = 0.0.3.110:39
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AL13Nany idea how i can remove it from user, without it being gone from global?10:40
AL13Nxfade_: http://pastebin.com/k8Mm6Uj010:41
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AL13Ncould i move away that file to somewhere else, then do "ssu rr customer-jolla" and then move it back again and reboot?10:49
AL13Nxfade_: ?10:49
xfade_AL13N: No, you actually need that repo as it contains all the changed graphical assets etc.10:49
AL13Nor is that dangerous?10:50
AL13Ni know10:50
xfade_AL13N: Trying to figure out why it asks for auth for you though10:50
AL13Nbut if the one in user is overriding credential tokens?10:50
xfade_Should not matter10:50
AL13Nit's the only thing i can think of that would make it need more auth10:51
AL13Nafter all, all the other global ones also require auth tokens, right?10:51
AL13Nis there, some kind of caching for auth but repo-specific?10:52
xfade_I think it is your repos.ini, where it probably doesn't tell that customer-jolla also needs auth10:52
AL13Nok10:53
AL13Ni'll look for it10:53
xfade_AL13N: you can try to disable that repo and reinstall feature-jolla, ssu-vendor-data-jolla10:54
xfade_then restart ssud or reboot and see10:55
AL13Nxfade_: http://pastebin.com/emmCst6Q10:56
AL13Ni didn't see anything about customer-jolla in there10:56
AL13Nxfade_: isn't that what happend earlier when i did dr on customer-jolla and did version --dup ?10:56
xfade_mine doesn't either, so probably not it10:56
AL13Nk10:56
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AL13Npkcon install feature-jolla ssu-vendor-data-jolla10:58
AL13NCommand failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find feature-jolla10:58
AL13Nxfade_: actually, is customer-jolla something that's not identical for all users?10:59
AL13Nmaybe something got disabled on server end?10:59
xfade_AL13N: I would know if it was ;)10:59
xfade_feature-jolla is in the 'jolla' repo, so you need to refresh that11:00
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AL13Nk11:03
AL13Nxfade_: thx for the help btw11:04
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AL13Nhmm11:05
AL13Nrefresh ok11:05
AL13Npkcon search name feature-jolla: ok11:05
AL13Nbut pkcon install feature-jolla: not ok11:06
AL13N???11:06
AL13Nxfade_: how strange? i must be doing something wrong11:06
AL13Nmaybe i should download and rpm -Uvh --oldpackage or something11:07
xfade_AL13N: First try to just download ssu-vendor-data-jolla, this should be the important one11:08
AL13Nk11:09
AL13Nok, that did something11:10
AL13Nok, so enable it again and try pkcon refresh?11:10
xfade_first restart ssud or reboot11:10
AL13Nk11:11
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AL13Nhmm, as i expected11:15
AL13Nit failed once more11:16
AL13Nxfade_: :-S11:17
AL13Nxfade_: i'll have to go soon :-( (for the whole weekend, perhaps you can put more suggestions on the tjc thread?11:17
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xfade_AL13N: Yeah, I'll try to think about what needs to be done.11:20
phlixihi11:26
phlixii got an sms, which only consits of one or two emoticons11:27
phlixihow do i find out what it was? the jolla just displays two unknown characters11:28
pp_hmn, raw sms database lookup -> magic -> victory11:29
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tbror just copy paste?11:31
phlixithats sounds much simpler11:32
TemeVI think installing Emoji keyboard also makes them visible11:32
phlixistrangely i can paste it to a note, but  the "send to jolla" plugin in firefox seems not to work (has a get clip board function)11:33
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phlixinevermind, does not work with other text  as well11:34
Hellenigghht11:34
phlixiaccording to thunderbird its two thumbs up, thats good :-)11:35
Helleoops11:36
phlixiand the "send to jolla" browser plugin also works..11:39
phlixi...i (i do not know why) just expected to content to land in the textinput fiel, but i copied the content directly to the clipboard11:40
phlixithe content*11:40
phlixi...that tool is realy useful all the time :-)11:40
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AL13Nxfade_: thx, i'll try and use the jolla to read tjc on the weekend (if i get any reception at all...)12:06
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tbrso, out of curiosity I set out to see if I could put any substance into my theory of a possible supply chain problem with the 32GB eMMC part12:18
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tbrThe eMMC in the 64GB models is known, closest guess currently: KLMCG8GEND (64GB) for which there is a corresponding KLMBG4GEND (32GB) part12:19
tbrSo I started looking around the large part distributors. Seems you can get them only as full reel, which is about 1120 parts.12:19
tbrSo far I've only located one distributor for the KLMCG8GEND, which has about 2-3 reels in stock. I have yet to find a distributor with stock of the 32GB part.12:20
tbrThis doesn't need to mean anything.12:20
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tbrgenerally lead times for larger quantities can be pretty substantial though, e.g. 10 weeks12:21
ggabrieltbr: interesting, so one possibility is that they have to manufacture it12:21
ggabrielwhich would be a pain12:21
tbrit's a samsung part12:22
ggabriel:&12:22
tbrI don't expect samsung to care much about a customer wanting one reel (I doubt more than 1120 people ordered a 32GB model)12:22
ggabrielyou could get the 32gb people upgrade to 64gb too, assuming there's enough stock12:22
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pp_if you've promised first-come-first-serve and then some of the first-come can't be shipped12:23
tbror they could criple the 64GB emmc artificially12:23
pp_(or produced)12:23
ggabrielcrippling sounds bad but in the grand scheme of things it would mean that a) jolla puts up with the cost; b) they keep things fair by not giving a 64gb upgrade for free12:24
ggabrielso it isn't a bad idea really12:24
kimmoli**12:24
ggabrieli'm assuming that 2nd/3rd wave are waiting on this 32gb issue too12:25
tbrthis is all guessing12:25
ggabrielit'd be a shame to have tablets waiting for the queue to go fairly12:25
ggabrielyeah12:25
tbrbut there is at least some smell to it as there are at least 5 first wave 32GB units that never shipped. and I'm not aware of any 32GB units that shipped12:25
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tbrggabriel: btw, sourcing the 32GB parts might have a higher total cost than using 64GB parts. Especially if you need parts fast, price can easily double12:34
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ggabrieltbr: fair point re cost12:37
tbreven worse would be a discontinuation of the part, because then you'd very likely looking at a PCB-respin to change to a footprint of an available part12:41
tbralthough in this case that's unlikely12:41
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ggabrielso, it'd be so much easier to own the freaking factory, assuming you can make all the parts :P12:44
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Stskeepsnobody knows how to make a whole mobile phone.12:52
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TemeVtbr: do you know if eMMCs have some standard footprint like old SLC NAND chips used to have?13:02
TemeVbecause if they do, it should be easy to change to some other vendor13:02
TemeVsome testing required of course13:03
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tbrTemeV: no idea, would need to get the datasheets and start comparing13:07
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tbrthe electronic side seems to be JEDEC, not sure about the footprint13:11
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tbrLook at that: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus+6P+Teardown/51660#s11292213:17
tbrand according to spec of the nexus 6P, it will/has versions of 32/64/128GB13:17
tbrI wonder if that could possibly have aaaaaany impact on part availability...13:17
Stskeepstime to pillage some nexus 6p's13:18
ggabrieli said it before and i'll say it again: google must die and we'll all be happier13:18
TemeVtbr: well, I was trying to avoid doing that comparison by asking :)13:18
tadzikit'll probably be replaced by another giant13:18
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tbrthe fruit company would just become even more dominant13:19
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tadzikwell, the devices is one thing, the influence in most of the web itself is another13:21
* kimmoli wonders length of intel emmc interface errata. with freescale it used to be loooong13:22
tbrbtw: did anyone open their tablet? Would be nice to confirm that I got the eMMC right. I only have "MCG8GC" from dmesg, which had the closest match in the above mentioned part13:23
kimmoliTemeV: _old_ SLC?13:24
Stskeepstbr: i'd confirm but i have a older revision..13:24
kimmolitbr: not received my referral race tablet yet13:25
tbrk13:25
Stskeepstbr: it doesn't sound wrong13:25
TemeVkimmoli: am I mixing technologies now... Well, you know those TSOP packaged NAND chips that "nobody" uses anymore13:31
TemeV(yes, I know they are still widely used in industrial stuff etc)13:31
kimmolime != nobody13:31
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kimmoliat least seems Micron has emmc parts in various packages, 14x18mm LFBGA-100, 11.5x13mm VFBGA-153 (which afaiu is same as the samsung part discussied above) and LFBGA-169 in 14x18mm13:40
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suomi-on-parasHello, guys, do you know, can Jolla Phone works with micro usb keyboard, like this one:15:59
suomi-on-parasaliexpress.com/item/New-Micro-USB-Keyboard-Case-For-Jolla-unlike-Case-High-Quality-PU-Leather-Flip-Stand-Universal/32462573301.html?isOrigTitle=true15:59
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lainwir3dsuomi-on-paras: no16:03
lainwir3dJolla tablet can16:03
lainwir3dBut Jolla phone lacks usb on-the-go support16:03
lainwir3dIt could be theorically possible if you plug a powered hub in between, but be prepared to get your hands dirty16:03
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suomi-on-paraslainwir3d: so, this is hardware problem or not?16:06
tbrlainwir3d: hands dirty is a must. this was discussed before16:10
tbryou'd need to rip apart the otg state machine in the kernel and hardwire things and pray to the FSM that nothing is somehow hard baked into silicon16:11
tbrI hear bluetooth keyboards work much better16:12
lainwir3dsuomi-on-paras: yes, definitly hardware.16:12
lainwir3dtbr: those, or tohkbd :P16:12
tbrwell tohkbd is out of stock. you can diy it though.16:13
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suomi-on-paraslainwir3d:but tohkbd is out of stock16:16
suomi-on-paras:c16:16
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cehtehout of stock or discontinued?16:17
ggabrielit won't be made any more16:18
tbrthere are parts available to be purchased for people who want to DIY. some assembly and 3D printing required16:18
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suomi-on-parasI have no opportunity to do this16:19
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ggabrielyou can try to buy second hand16:20
suomi-on-parasmaybe you know any alternative The Other Half keyboards?16:20
ggabrielbut that depends on people selling it16:20
ggabrielbluetooth keyboards?16:20
suomi-on-parasnonono16:20
ggabrielit depends what you're looking for really16:20
cehtehi have an idea about a touch senitive e-ink display in form of a flipcase .. fold on back and  you have a secondary display for notification etc .. fold open, then you can emulate a keyboard on it .. or close the thing then the displays are protected .. .*but* i am not a hardware engineer :/16:21
suomi-on-parasI want something in n900 style c:16:21
cehtehunlikely to happen16:21
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cehtehtohkbd was a bit on the expensive side anyway16:21
ggabrieli can't speak on behalf of the guy who did it16:21
ggabrielbut judging by the amount of times he said "no", i agree with cehteh16:21
ggabrielexpensive but awesome16:22
ggabriel:)16:22
suomi-on-parasyes it was16:22
suomi-on-parasoh16:22
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suomi-on-parasIt`s time to searching TOHKBD!16:22
suomi-on-parasoh16:25
suomi-on-parasthe second problem is that i`m serbian16:25
suomi-on-parasand i want cyrillic keyboard :^(16:25
suomi-on-parassry for my bad english16:25
cehtehcould be fixed with my e-ink idea :)16:25
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suomi-on-parasbut I want awesome hardware keyboard!16:27
suomi-on-paraslike on my wonderful n90016:27
tbrsuomi-on-paras: you can replace the keypad carefully and buy the replacement with cyrilic characters from the tohkbd site, I guess16:29
tbrif there still are cyrilic pads16:29
cehtehyes thats a bit of a problem, but with touch sensitive i am thinking about a resitive touch layer on top of a eink display and some 'rubbery' film on top, you know these thicker, softer screen-protectors?16:29
lainwir3dN900 keyboard was top of the notch16:29
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JopeI liked the N950 kbd more16:31
Jopefour rows16:31
tbrN950 <316:31
JopeI tried the n950 some time ago16:31
Jopea bit too obsolete.. :-D16:31
Jopeif my only use for a smartphone was irc, then I could consider it..16:31
Jopebut I need a usable browser too at least :-D16:31
tbryes irc was fun on it16:32
JopeI have an n900 too, also way too obsolete :-)16:32
cehtehmy n900 comiited suicide16:32
cehtehvibration alarm while it was plugged in usb .. jumped from the table, usb broke off16:33
SfietKonstantinWcehteh: it tried to hang itself16:33
SfietKonstantinWthe rope broke16:33
SfietKonstantinWso sad :(16:34
cehtehanyway the n900 lacked a bit processing power and much ram16:34
suomi-on-parasyep16:34
cehtehif it had 1GB ram i would still use it, if not broken16:35
suomi-on-parasand it is reason that I bought my Jolla Phone c:16:35
ggabriellast week I discovered that browsers are useless without physical keyboard16:35
ggabrieljust saying16:35
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ggabrielI could go through a registration process ina mobile friendly website while fanbois and such couldn't16:35
ggabrielwhich was quite pleasing16:35
ggabrielexcept that the fanbois were my friends16:35
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* cehteh still waiting for the jolla to be shipped16:36
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cehtehi will prolly look for some reasonable good bluetooth keyboard which i can clip on the flipcase16:37
cehtehi have a cheap one here, will be good enough for testing, but i'd like some better one16:37
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sakustarsuomi-on-paras: try #jollatohkbd for instructions where you can order the printed parts17:06
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suomi-on-parasthks, but I`m not an engineer17:15
suomi-on-parasI think, assembling is too hard for me, lol17:16
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tbrdamn, that BB Priv is a nice pice of kit. The price tag is hefty though18:16
Stskeepstbr: it's getting totally murdered in reviews, i've not seen anything like that18:20
Stskeepsas in, such murder18:21
tbrhttp://www.androidcentral.com/blackberry-priv-review - looks positive-ish18:21
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r0kk3rzyou do kinda wonder if its going to be BBs last hoorah18:29
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Stskeepsi can recommend reading 'losing the signal' about BB at least18:30
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tbroh, yeah BB itself is deeply troubled18:32
tbrno doubt about that18:32
tbrstill a nice device18:32
r0kk3rzi hope it goes well for them, might check it out if i see one in a shop somewhere18:35
r0kk3rzinteresting, they ported bb-hub to android, wonder if someone might liberate it for sideloading on other phones18:38
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Fuslwhere do i report system crashes to? (https://scr.meo.ws/paste/2015-11-06-23-40-57-F4zpIkfM.txt)22:41
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Fuslgreat22:43
Fuslthe crash broke android support again -.-22:43
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Fusland it now things that my phone is charging and a charger is connected22:46
Fuslbut there is no charger connected to it22:47
SQUelcherFree Energy!22:47
Fuslthis probably means i will have to restore my phone from a backup again the 9th time this week22:47
Fuslpremium.22:47
raa700_wth are you doing with it?22:51
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FuslI'm using it22:53
Fuslas a normal phone22:53
Fuslwith it's included android support i installed aptoide22:53
Fusland skype22:53
Fusland some other apps people would normally use22:53
Fuslafter some hours of using it, it starts acting strange22:53
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M-bobsummerwillBB will be out of the handset game very soon, I'm sure.23:38
M-bobsummerwillIt's too little, too late.23:38
M-bobsummerwillAnd that Passport is the ugliest phone I have ever seen.    Every time I'm in phone shops I ask what is selling and what isn't.    They can never shift Windows Phones, or they get returned.   Some people want BB still (old school momentum, I think), but never the Passport.23:39
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