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pp_hehe07:35
pp_https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/21867/fdtrv/Jolla-Tablet07:36
Hartzilol07:37
pp_"week 51", but not only that, it's something they're removing from inventory :-)07:37
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gordon`hi08:42
gordon`is there a limit date for the 169€ offer?08:42
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cehtehgordon`: no one knows .. but quite likely it will end very soon09:02
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sigmounteHi !10:00
sigmounteI have a semi bricked jolla , anyone could help ?10:00
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tbrput a nail through it, then it will be at least good as a brick?10:02
tbrfree protip: provide more details if you expect anyone to bother to help you10:02
sharpnelihttps://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/21867/fdtrv/Jolla-Tablet10:03
sharpneliPreorderable product that's being removed from sale :D10:03
Hartzi:D10:04
tbrwell, while entertaining it can be explained: they decided to stock it at some point, started taking preorders, but as things drag on it's not really marketable so they won't keep it in their offering10:05
* tbr was tempted by an 80$ intel tablet the other day, even came with windows 1010:11
cehteheek :F10:11
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cehtehjolla should've been more realistic/pessimistic about their schedule10:11
sigmounteSomeone have the link to the factory image ?10:13
sharpnelisigmounte: Factory images are not available. Qualcomm would sue anyone that distributes it.10:13
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tbrif you ask around someone will give you one10:14
tbrdid you break btrfs completely?10:14
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sigmountetbr : yes, it was just to ask for help , and know if someone is available , so my problem :  i just accepted the last update for my jolla phone , at the second i clicked "ok" for update , it turned black , and white led is in fixed stat , it stayed like this for hours i stopped the phone , reboot , and now it's stuck on the white jolla logo ,10:16
ggabrielsigmounte: can you access the recovery menu?10:17
sigmounteso i tried the recovery , i can telent tot the shell , but when i try to do a factory reset the script hang for jours too and do nothing10:17
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sigmountebtrfs recovery does nothing too10:17
ggabrielouch10:17
ggabrielit can be a number of things10:17
ggabrieli hope it's not a broken emmc10:17
ggabrieli'd contact care tbh10:18
sigmounteso yes , i think the brtfs is broken ;(  ( few week ago i started to have strange latency on multiple apps , like the jolla was trying to read something but was not able to )10:18
sigmounteggabriel: before contacting them , i would like to re DD the factory image to be sure it's hardware10:19
cos-does anyone know if it would be possible to purchase Alien Dalvik for "community ported" sailfish phones from Myriad?10:19
tbrsomeone™ around here should have an image, so stick around10:20
tbrcos-: I'd expect they don't want to be bothered by the plebs, so some legal entity would need to sign a contract etc.10:20
cos-tbr: yep, i was thinking that someone from community could become a distributor10:21
sigmounteyes, i totally understand , if someone have the link / image , i could just PM me to avoid sending this info on the general chan10:21
sigmountethanks10:22
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ggabrieltbr: lol "the plebs" :)10:22
cos-at least i'd be happy to pay €€ for alien dalvik on new sailfish hardware10:22
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the_mgtI could imagine something like a .... "shop"10:24
the_mgtwere you can buy software for your phone10:24
cos-of course it would be best if Jolla could act as a distributor, as they already have connection to Myriad and a web store10:24
the_mgtyou could pay for licensed stuff, like anything to do with proprietary MS/Eschnge stuff, alien dalvik or offline here maps10:24
ursbtw, isn't it just possible to take the rpm packages from an "actual" jolla phone and transplant them over to a "community edition" phone (as long as it's arm-based)?10:25
urs(Of course, that would technically be piracy.)10:25
tbrurs: it likely ties (in the current form) into the hardware adaptation and it's bionic userspace10:26
cos-looks like Jolla has trouble with hardware so it might be a good idea to just deliver software and purchaseable licensed stuff like the_mgt said10:27
Yanielguess what their business plan has been all this time10:28
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cehtehdid jolla sell software in reasonable quantities yet? .. if any profit, they only make it from hardware or?10:29
Yanielnot that I know10:29
Yanielwell, there is the intex thing now10:29
cehtehhey i would pay for sailfish on legacy andoid devices like my wifes note210:29
Yanielbut if you've read their press releases so far, they have been talking about licensing sfos since the very beginning10:30
cehtehif its reasonable priced and has some support plan10:30
YanielI'm sure many would love that10:30
cehtehthey always say they want to licencse it but nothing seen so far10:31
the_mgtand the money could be already coming in, if they a had a shop that would accept money10:31
cehtehif they had things to sell you mean10:31
cehtehi buyed the flipcase from the original vendor because its out of stock since ages .. but still devilverable from insmart10:32
cos-imho selling licensed software to community ports wouldn't harm the licensing business. it wouldn't make anyone rich, but anyway.10:32
tbrthey also aren't after the plebs, they want the big money from operators and device manufacturers10:32
cehteheven payed in bitcoins10:32
tbrthe overhead for establishing paid software distribution is significant if you need to do it on a professional scale10:32
ggabrielcos-: wouldn't be a pain to support e.g., alien dalvik in any form of community port of sailfish?10:33
cehtehbut a branded and locked down jolla/sailfish is somewhat contary and nogo land10:33
cos-ggabriel: why it would be pain? it's licensed, not made by Jolla10:33
ggabrielwell, it'd be a pain because it may or may not work10:34
ggabrielso you go, pay 10 EUR for it, and it doesn't work10:34
ggabriellike the good old windows days10:34
cos-it's just a virtual machine on top of the same kernel as sailfish, so i wouldn't except it not to work if sailfish works10:35
sigmounteone of my friend will do a DD of it's own jolla , and send it to me ( i would prefer the factory reset one but let's try this solution for now ) , is there something special to know/do for making the dd ?10:35
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lainwir3do/10:35
ggabrielsigmounte: a dd of partition 28 should have the factory reset image anyway10:36
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ggabrieljust access recovery menu after dd and factory reset10:36
Yanielin all seriousness, it would be interesting to calculate how good/bad business it would actually be to license custom ROMs for android devices10:36
ggabrielhopefully you won't have io errors10:36
Yaniellike cyanogenmod but proper linux, with commercial support + licensed 3rd party apps like HERE10:37
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sigmounteggabriel: just the mmcblk0p28 will do the job ? what is there inside the others ?10:37
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ggabrielsigmounte: yup, that should do it, the rest of the partitions are stuff that doesn't change, but i haven't got the detail10:44
ggabrielsome are blobs from our friends from qualcomm and what not10:44
sigmounteggabriel: ok , i hope the others partition are not thoses who avoid me to boot10:45
sigmountethanks for help10:45
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kotoriHi, I am trying to send myself SMS as reminders so I made a little python program using the following lines to send SMS :13:20
kotorichaine_sms = 'dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono /ril_0 org.ofono.MessageManager.SendMessage string:"06xxxxxxxx" string:"' +chaine+ '"'13:21
kotorios.system(chaine_sms)13:21
kotoriit works fine when the phone screen is "lighted", but when I don't use the phone for a while, SMS are not sent (if I send them using another phone or a website, it works, so I'm guessing they are not sent at all)13:22
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kotoridoes anybody have an insight as to why it doesn't work? (or a better solution to send myself reminders at random intervals?)13:23
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TemeVkotori: how are you timing the sending?13:23
TemeVmost likely your timers aren't working when the phone goes to sleep13:23
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kotoriyes, I do a loop with a time.sleep(random.randomint()) after each SMS13:24
kotoriha ok, thanks, Jolla doesn't support cron if I'm not mistaken?13:24
TemeVIt has been ported, but I don't remember where the sources are13:24
TemeVjuiceme: ^ Where is your cron? :)13:24
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kotorithat would be great, it is the little thing I miss from my Linux PC :)13:26
kotoriis it the one available through pkcon?13:27
kotoriAvailable   PackageKit-cron-0.8.9+59.1-1.24.1.armv7hlCron job and related utilities for PackageKit13:27
TemeVIt wasn't there last time I checked, but it has been awhile. I don't know what that is?13:30
kotorithe output of "pkcon search name cron" :)13:31
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kotorihm, I get an error when trying to install it :13:32
kotoriFatal error: nothing provides cronie needed by PackageKit-cron-0.8.9+59.1-1.24.1.armv7hl13:32
kotoribut there is not package with "cronie" in its name13:32
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TemeVI mean, I don't what that package is :)13:35
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kotoriTemeV : ha ok, sorry :p13:37
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juicemeTemeV, get the SRPM from http://swagman.org/juice/vixie-cron-3.0pl1-1.src.rpm13:41
juicemekotori, ^^^^13:42
kotoriJolla phone can use RPMs?13:42
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Nicd-sailfish uses RPM, yes13:44
Aciidhttps://twitter.com/AciidXOR/status/665162959354781696 removal product already?13:45
kotoriok, I didn't know that, thanks. It seems it installed ok, but I have no cron or crontab command in my path13:45
pp_doesn't systemd do the same?-)13:45
Nicd-systemd has cron functionality13:45
kotori[nemo@Jolla ~]$ rpm -Uvh vixie-cron-3.0pl1-1.src.rpm13:45
kotori   1:vixie-cron             ########################################### [100%]13:45
kotori[nemo@Jolla ~]$ which crontab13:45
kotoriwhich: no crontab in (/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/home/nemo/bin)13:45
kotoriha, forgot to become root :p13:46
Nicd-Aciid: to be fair verkkokauppa adds stuff they don't know if they can ever even sell. they just remove them later13:46
kotorisorry ^^13:46
pp_I doubt a src.rpm will install anything usable13:46
kotoriyep, I just noticed13:48
kotoriI'll try to compile now and will tell you in a few minutes13:48
Nicd-kotori: you can also just use systemd timers13:51
kotoriI don't know much about systemd (use mainly Debian and Slackware), does it allow random timers? (for instance every X minutes between 8:00AM and 6:00PM with X between 30 and 90?)13:53
kotoriby the way, is it normal to not have --rebuild option on rpm? [root@Jolla nemo]# rpm --rebuild vixie-cron-3.0pl1-1.src.rpm13:54
kotorirpm: --rebuild: unknown option13:54
AciidNicd-: verkkokauppacom just answered that they wont be ordering / stocking jolla tablet at all because of the set backs!!!13:54
Aciidhttps://twitter.com/Verkkokauppacom/status/66516431825050828813:55
kotori(I can extract and compile manually, I am just not sure it is the normal way on the phone)13:55
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Nicd-kotori: check http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.time.html#Calendar%20Events for the syntax13:55
eugeniosystemd timers AFAIK don't work in sleep mode, though13:56
Nicd-eugenio: does cron either?13:56
kotoriI was checking some other articles, there seems to be a systemd-random-seed function (having random timers is important so I don't just ignore the daily 10:00AM SMS ;) )13:56
eugenioif it isn't patched, probably it doesn't work either13:56
eugenioyou should use timed13:57
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eugeniohttp://pastebin.com/0mAUPRkw <-- some rules I made back in school to auto-silence the phone and set airplane mode in the bus13:57
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eugenioa bit clunky, but it gets the job done13:58
eugenioand also worked when the phone was in sleep mode13:58
kotorithanks, I'm reading this ;) (if possible, I would rather use cron or systemd as they are the standard utility for this kind of stuff on most distribution though)13:59
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kotorithanks for all the info guys, I'm going to eat and then I'll give systemd a try (to try to mess the system as little as possible by not installing cron)14:05
eugeniohave fun :)14:06
TemeVkotori: systemd timers don't work when the phone is sleeping. That juiceme's cron does work. I think it uses libibhp internally14:07
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kotoriTemeV Nicd eugenio : ok, I tried vixie cron and it works perfectly (the name of the deamon is vixie_crond, I had to go look in the Makefile to find it, other than that, it's very easy to install and run)15:16
kotorithanks again for the infos ;)15:16
eugeniogreat :)15:16
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Jay_good afternoon, can I install and get sailfish 2.0 up and running today, or is it only on pre-release for a few people ?16:15
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cb400feveryone with a jolla phone or tablet has had it for a while16:17
cb400fif you want to run it on something else, i don't know about the availability of images16:18
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Jay_ah, I see, I was planning on testing it on my n9 just to see if I like it before ordering a jolla phone16:19
cb400fif you liked the N9, you'll like SailfishOS 2.0, trust me ;-)16:19
coderusJay_: order now, it just 169 eur16:20
cb400fof course the Jolla is not quite the build quality of the N9, but that's a different matter16:20
coderusand no more sailfish images on N916:20
Jay_mm, I'm reasonably convinced - I've been keeping an eye on jolla for a few years, seems like a decent time to step in16:20
* cb400f paid more for a 2nd hand N9, than he did for a brand new Jolla two years ago16:21
cb400fwas a 64 gig N9 though16:21
Jay_battery concerns me a bit - I'm still on a e72 - I found the couple of days battery life on the n9 means its just sat in my tech cupboard since I brought it - hard to find really good reviews on the jolla online as everyone is talking about iphones and android rubbish ;)16:22
cb400fyou only had a couple of days on the N9? ... I had about a week (of standby time).. and the Jolla is about the same16:23
Jay_ok, a week sounds good - thx for the info16:23
cb400fbut with a bit of network and screen activity, you'll easily use the battery in a couple of days16:23
Jay_yeah that ^^ - oh well, guess I'll have to adapt16:24
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kr1shnakhello16:49
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yestoallhi kr1shnak16:53
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kr1shnakjust wondering if someone could give me a quick comment on the state of Jolla devices and Sailfish? I followed it a bit when the original announcements were being made, but wondering what the deal is nowadays - from an end user perspective16:57
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tbrthe end user gets software updates at one every 1-4 months16:57
kr1shnakis there any thing interesting going on in terms of app or OS development? Has Jolla/Sailfish found sound kind of niche?16:58
tbrwell, software development environment for tablet apps seems to come together17:00
kr1shnakcool. Do you have any links I should check out?17:00
tbrthe tablet shipments have been delayed repeatedly. we're now at 6 months and counting17:00
kr1shnakhmm17:00
yestoalli wouldnt expect miracles in the time to come, but for me it works as is today...your mileage may vary17:01
tbrwhat in particular are you interested in?17:01
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kr1shnakI just thought there might be a whole alternate app/system development scene on the platform17:01
kr1shnakperhaps something more for developers17:01
kr1shnakkind of like linux in the Good Old Days(tm)17:02
tbrI don't have much insight into that. there is a developer mailing list with low volume traffic17:02
tbrthere is the #sailfishos IRC channel for developer topics17:02
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kr1shnakright. Thanks17:03
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gordon`oops, just ordered my 3rd Jolla phone /o\17:13
Jay_what happened to the other 2 ? 0.o17:13
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gordon`first one broke its screen, and I’m still using the second one17:13
gordon`but I need a separate phone for professional usage17:14
gordon`I thought of the alternatives (Firefox OS, Ubuntu Phone…), but that weren’t enough17:14
gordon`and Jolla has the hardware expertise17:14
gordon`so, with the current offer… let’s continue with Jolla!17:15
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gordon`(and I’m still waiting for the tablet \o/)17:16
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Joonaahey, im having an odd issue where my phone wont charge... its at 0%, charging icon is on, and it keeps beeping...17:27
Joonaaconnected to a pc17:27
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ggabrielJoonaa: use a usb charger17:28
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TeguI don't like that links opened externally will override the current tab in the browser..17:47
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coderusnobody like, but jolla think it's cool :D17:50
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r0kk3rzwell when you have a browser that can only do 3 tabs before it starts oom-ing....17:53
coderusr0kk3rz: what do you talking about?17:55
coderussailfish is not only a Joll Phone17:55
coderusthats stupid17:55
phdeswerr0kk3rz: want kind of webpages you visit? I routinely have 7/8 tabs open no problem.17:56
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r0kk3rzphdeswer: and it doesnt cause tabs to reload when you go back to them?17:57
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phdeswerSome tabs reload but that is not oom...17:58
r0kk3rzeffectively the same thing though, but it doesnt kill the whole app17:59
r0kk3rzjust the tab17:59
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coderusr0kk3rz: just get the fckng sources of browser and look18:33
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SpeedEvilhttp://imgur.com/gallery/1boWP7X19:01
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adherryvisiting your parents every 4 weeks has some disadvantages19:19
adherrycomputer maintenance every 4 weeks19:19
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SQUelcheradherry: just install linux there :)19:29
adherryI am not prepared for that drama19:30
adherryhe has steam on the computer19:30
SQUelcher:>19:30
adherryhe could buy like 1000 games for 50€ in halloween sale19:30
r0kk3rzwhat on earth are they doing that they need maintenance every 4 weeks?19:31
adherryand his only concern is if I could bring him some of my games19:31
adherrydisattaching backup volume19:31
adherryinstalling toolbars since reading is superhard in installers19:31
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adherrydvd rippers fighting wars against each other19:32
adherryat least they never went to torrents19:32
r0kk3rzsounds like they'd be better off with torrents tbh19:32
adherryhusband of my mother is of the faction “1 cent for developers of software is too much”19:32
adherrytorrents is a fast way to get legal trouble19:32
adherryand his position is kinda funny since I am a developer19:33
adherrythat kinda lives from customers buying stuff from us19:33
r0kk3rzyeah well, trawling the internet for freeware is a surefire way of getting malware19:34
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adherrywell, they have adblocker, so at least that vector is closed19:36
adherryI kinda gave up all hope on adblockers19:37
adherryehh antivirus products19:37
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adherryevery time I am here I use a live cd to search for virusses and that was it19:38
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TemeVbtw, if somebody is interested, I built the vixie-cron in obs http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/temev:/vixie-cron/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/21:38
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shpankhey dudes. i just smashed my jolla and the touchscreen is not responding23:59
shpankhow do i get my contacts off the phone now?23:59
Yanieldid you have developer mode on?23:59

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