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lainwir3do/08:46
Tofewhat time is it in Germany? My Jolla says it's 10:46...08:47
lainwir3dhmmm08:48
lainwir3dthat could match08:48
lainwir3d9h48 in paris08:48
lainwir3dgmt+1, is Germany gmt+2  ?08:48
phlixi[2015-11-12 09:47:03] <Tofe> what time is it in Germany? My Jolla says it's 10:46...08:48
phlixiparis, as well as berlin is CET08:49
Tofelainwir3d: no, it's supposed to be same timezone08:49
lainwir3dwell, then that's bad :P08:49
phlixialso amsterdam08:49
lainwir3ddo they have a summer adjustement ?08:49
lainwir3dsummer / winter.08:49
phlixiits only the brits, that do weird stuff....08:49
lainwir3dhaha08:50
phlixithats called CEST and is also the same for middle europe,08:50
lainwir3dooooh, blog post : https://blog.jolla.com/tablet_schedule_aptoide_store/08:50
tbrah, this one has great potential: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/12/mobile_pwn2own1/08:50
lainwir3dI guess I'm a bit late08:50
tbrnothing new really08:50
tbrjust confirmation of what many of us in the industry knew08:50
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kimmolihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRq5HV8hi-o08:52
phlixiwell, if you own a bts... then it doesnt matter if it is samsung or ANYTHING else..08:54
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Teguyea, a bit weird that they underlined they specific models08:55
phlixiindeed08:55
Teguit's just that they happened to test with them08:55
SQUelcherphlixi: if you pay a few bucks to buy a SDR, you've got a bts..08:55
phlixiyep08:56
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phlixilistening to just e few ccc congress talks i wonder why there is not much more chaos08:56
jonwilIt wouldn't surprise me if someone came up with a way to combine something like OpenBTS, a cheap SDR and some other stuff to make a copy of the "stingray" fake cell towers the US law enforcement mobs are using08:56
phlixiseems to be pretty easy to badly f*ck up areas infra08:57
phlixiall the gsm m2m..08:57
tbryou can pair openbts with a SIP trunk and are essentially done08:57
phlixiwonder why "all the terrorists" do not do such easy hacks08:57
tbrtrunks with full SS7 exist and then you can use any originating number you want08:57
jonwilTerrorists are all about causing terror and making people afraid08:57
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tbrthe stuff has been around for quite a while08:58
phlixijonwil: you can be sure that will case a lot of truble if you shut down the gsm in a big city08:58
phlixiincluding all kinds of acccidents due to missing infra08:58
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Teguthey will hunt the transmitter for sure08:59
phlixithat can be a 20eur phone in the ring bahn08:59
phlixicrashing one bts minute by minute08:59
phlixiand with crashed base stations, there is not much left to track09:00
phlixithey take a while to boot :-)09:00
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PaulePanterMMS are still not being loaded in Sailfish OS 2.0.0.10 with O2 in Germany.09:01
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jonwilI am surprised we haven't seen some rogue group carry out a real world version of the mass hack attack from that one Die Hard movie09:03
phlixiisnt that pretty much the same?09:04
Teguwould that be the target on its own or just a way to enable something else?09:05
Teguwhat would they use it for?09:05
lainwir3dwow, big angry comments in the blog post :-(09:06
Teguyea, just skip them09:06
lainwir3dhaha09:07
phlixilainwir3d do you expect something else after jolla is lying for half a year now?09:07
lainwir3dwell, I got my tablet and I'm pretty much egoïstic so... :-)09:08
phlixiPaulePanter: did you noticed this? https://together.jolla.com/question/38555/mms-issues-hints-for-debugging-and-helping-us-to-improve/?answer=38866#post-id-3886609:09
PaulePanterphlixi: No, thank you for the URL.09:09
phlixiits a year old, not sure if still applicable09:10
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PaulePanterphlixi: Worked. Thank you!09:25
phlixi:)09:25
PaulePanterWho to contact, that this works by default?09:25
phlixiwell09:26
phlixii linked an answer09:26
phlixiin the question that was answered, jolla is asking for data/expirience, in order to implement stuff to have it working out of the box09:26
phlixisince nothing happened, i guess there is no one you can contact and it will not be fixed09:27
pp_hmn, slush presentation in 10 mins :P Someone feel like live-commentary, can't watch due to meeting09:28
chem|stPaulePanter: answer that question with your experience09:29
chem|st'settings'09:29
lainwir3dpp_: do you have a live streaming url please ? :)09:29
PaulePanterchem|st: Sorry, I did not get your answer.09:30
PaulePanterphlixi: Understood.09:30
pp_slush.org watch live stream?09:30
lainwir3dyeah09:30
lainwir3dok09:30
lainwir3dthat was easy09:30
lainwir3d:P09:30
chem|stPaulePanter: you had non-working settings for MMS and now have settings that work?09:30
phlixii would be interested in a live stream too, someone has a link for (lazy) me?09:31
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lainwir3dphlixi: http://www.slush.org/live/09:31
lainwir3dwell, there is different stages09:31
lainwir3dI don't know which one Jolla is supposed to be in09:31
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lainwir3dsilver apparently09:32
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pai agree that with 2.0 the interface improved09:34
pastill dont like the apps from the bottom, but i guess the 3 main screens are copyrighted or something09:34
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phlixilet me guess pa, you used an n9 and miss it? :D09:34
* phlixi too09:34
paoh i dont miss it, i still use it09:34
pai am just trying a jolla phone a friend gave me yesterday09:35
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palong life to the N9 :)09:35
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phlixii actually use the n9 too09:37
phlixias clock at the bed :D09:37
lainwir3dKilled mine (well, the screen)09:37
lainwir3dBut I don't miss it that bad, I prefer the Jolla09:37
lainwir3dThe one I miss is my N90009:37
phlixilainwir3d: want to buy one? blue 16gb? black 64gb?09:37
lainwir3dstill unbeatable09:37
lainwir3dhaha, as a clock ? :D nice09:38
phlixii also sell a n900 :D09:38
Tegu"last year they launched the jolla tablet, what is next?"09:38
lainwir3dshipping it09:38
lainwir3dlol09:38
Tegu:D09:38
lainwir3dphlixi: haha, in "normal" times I might have, but I have to save for my marriage (so limited budget right now :P)09:39
phlixiwow, my stream is one minute behind tegus chat09:39
Tegu:o09:39
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pp_:D09:39
Tegujolla greets u09:39
pp_if they are doing a sailfish watch, I'm cancelling my tablet09:39
lainwir3dwow, difficult accent09:39
lainwir3dpp_: haha :D09:39
Tegufinnish accent <309:39
Tegucompete with google09:40
lainwir3dI find it pretty similar to India's accent09:40
Tegu(not with apple?)09:40
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lainwir3dlol09:49
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lainwir3d"it will be late but I guarantee you'll get it"09:49
tbrliar liar pants on fire09:50
tbrespecially his statement before that sentence "we're shipping"09:50
phlixiwell, at least he did not say "in 4 weeks"09:51
phlixii actually buy it that they will eventually ship09:51
lainwir3dI hope they'll announce sailfish shoes to concurrence Nike "back to the future" shoes09:52
lainwir3dhttp://jolla-adventures.com/09:53
tbrso jolla now has an accelerator because they are so successful in asia?09:54
Teguasian and chinese markets (implying china is not part of asia?909:55
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tbrmy takeaway: surprisingly honest about their past failures, but again very vague about the present and their future outlook is even more unclear as they seem to shift away from software towards investment brokerage09:57
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tbroh and can anyone comment: was the audience reception as ice cold as it sounded on the stream?09:58
ljpjolla-adventures != jolla09:58
tbrljp: somehow he seems to have failed to convey that separation sufficiently then09:58
Nicd-how is jolla-adventures not jolla?09:59
Nicd-on paper?09:59
lainwir3dwell else it would have been called "adventures of jolla"09:59
lainwir3dD-:09:59
tbrand why is it called jolla-adventures if it's not jolla?09:59
ggabrieli thought it was going to be a comic website :(09:59
ljpjolla-adventures does not produce sailfishos10:00
lainwir3dggabriel: haha :D10:00
tbrso does that mean they are splitting their company in 3 instead of 2 legal parts?10:00
ljpjust like pizza hut != taco bell10:01
lainwir3dJolla pizza would be nice10:01
ljpI'd think it's taste fishy10:02
lainwir3dI could propose that idea to jolla-adventures10:02
FireFlyHuh, are pizza hut and taco bell related?10:02
tbrwell Yum! owns both PH and TB10:02
tbrand controlls them10:02
FireFlyAh10:02
tbrKFC also10:03
FireFlyI've never seen a KFC, and only one taco bell :P10:04
FireFlyalthough pizza hut is all over the place10:04
Nicd-jolla 1 price has dropped to 169 € apparently10:08
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fennekkiwhy do people keep talking about the jolla phone as if there's gonna be another one, anyway10:10
fennekkihaven't they literally announced there is no intention to produce another phone10:10
ln-it's called fan fiction10:10
fennekkiheh10:10
Nicd-fennekki: personally I don't think there will be another one. but typed that way anyway :P10:10
Nicd-maybe I should have said JP-130110:11
fennekkivery specific10:11
ljpfennekki: they have not announced there is no intention to not produce another device10:11
fennekkiljp: well! I must've remembered wrong then10:11
fennekkiI thought they had10:11
fennekkiwell10:11
ljpjust that they wanted to split software from devices10:11
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ljpyou did see the intex announcement?10:13
HarhaanJohtajahttps://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/66013323124579123210:13
HarhaanJohtajawe have a device roadmap, but nothing to announce at the moment. However, please stay tuned!10:14
phlixi[2015-11-12 11:01:48] <lainwir3d> Jolla pizza would be nice <<- Pizza with half a year delay? :D10:16
phlixifennekki: intex?10:16
lainwir3dphlixi: haha :-D "order now receive it one year from now"10:16
phlixiand actually get it in 1.5 years10:17
lainwir3d:D10:17
phlixiget it SOON(R)10:17
TemeVI'd buy it. Would get a nice pizza as a suprise next year :)10:18
Nicd-here you go phlixi: ®10:18
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phlixithanks Nicd- ;)10:18
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phlixibtw, there is actually a product: http://soonr.com/10:19
phlixi...was...10:19
rubdos"@Kbulann0laK we have a device roadmap, but nothing to announce at the moment. However, please stay tuned!", HarhaanJohtaja, what would that mean? :O10:20
FireFlyphlixi: (soon®)™? :P10:20
FireFlyrubdos: probably means we'll know within an hour :P10:21
rubdosthat tweet is from 30 october... What makes you think we'll know within an hour? :o10:21
HarhaanJohtajawho knows10:21
FireFlyoh, hm10:22
rubdosI'd love a new Jolla phone :)10:22
FireFlymaybe not :p10:22
Nicd-rubdos: an hour?10:22
rubdos<FireFly> rubdos: probably means we'll know within an hour :P10:23
Nicd-sorry, meant to highlight FireFly10:23
rubdosoh okay :)10:23
FireFlyI misread HarhaanJohtaja's line, didn't actually check the tweet10:23
FireFlymy bad :p10:23
FireFlyI guess we'll know at some point though10:23
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kimmolicurrent phone 169€ slush special10:32
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paafter the last update the phone went off and the red light is fixed on10:35
pasomething got screwed?10:35
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Nicd-how long?10:37
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paan hour maybe10:37
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phlixinot sure if it is a good idea, but i would probably take out the battery10:39
pashould i remove the battery or will that screw everything?10:39
paok10:40
pawell i try10:40
phlixibut10:40
phlixiif it is an update, i would probably be super super sure i wated long enough10:40
pahm10:40
paok i give one more hour10:40
phlixican you login via ssh?10:41
padonno, but dont think so10:41
pathe screen is off10:41
pathe phone wont turn on by power button10:41
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phlixii had it super often that the n900 was unresponsive, then log in via ssh, kill the process creating thumbnails of movies and eveything was fine a few seconds later10:42
pawell i think in this case the phone was trying to reboot or something10:42
paso it is really off10:42
phlixibut the led?10:43
paas far as i understand red steady is when phone powers off10:43
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pai mean i didnt install anything10:43
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pai was just upgrading all the way to the latest10:44
pai think this one was the latest (2.0(10:44
phlixisomeone else should say something :D10:44
Nicd-oh I remember the N900 <3 I wrote a script to reboot the home screen every night at 3 am so it would stay responsive10:45
Nicd-otherwise it would grind to a halt after a few days10:45
phlixithe only thing that made it unresponsive for me was that thumbnail thingy10:45
phlixiit always happened when i parked a dvd on the sd card10:46
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pahehe10:50
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pawell if it doesnt reboot by the next 10 min i remove the battery10:51
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paits also not warm10:52
pameaning it's just stuck somewhere10:52
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pawell the good news is that it starts10:54
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pabtw is there a way to have a pitch black theme like on the N9?10:56
paall these colors hurt my eyes10:56
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HarhaanJohtajahttps://openrepos.net/content/markkyboy/ambience-allblack10:59
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phlixiwith the new settings you probably just need a black picture and then set the color in settings as wanted11:00
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pathanks! :)11:11
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Sail0rxmas tablet :) https://blog.jolla.com/tablet_schedule_aptoide_store/12:05
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Tegumaybe12:05
YanielMaybe Tablet12:12
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Smarmaybetlet12:24
Yanielpossible values are Nothing and Just Tablet12:25
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the_mgtand of course this time the schedule will work out. really. promised.12:40
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paso no offline here maps for jolla even now that there are for android for free?12:49
paany official place where to get the android apk? i see aptoid doesnt have it12:49
ggabrielpa: i found it elsewhere in aptoide i think12:52
ggabrielnot the standard jolla store12:52
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dr_gogeta86ggabriel becarefull12:53
ggabrieli know, i checked the store where i got it a little bit12:53
ggabriela bit of a risk but then again a) android is pretty much off all the time; b) android has access to nothing on my phone12:54
ggabrielymmv12:54
ggabrielit would be nice if jolla made it available12:54
ggabrielor even better... if here made the apk downloadable from here.com (how hard can that be...)12:54
dr_gogeta86ggabriel, i think you can install it via amazon app store12:54
paggabriel, you mean the official android here maps app?12:54
paor something else?12:54
ggabrielit is indeed in amazon12:54
ggabrielpa: i mean the official (allegedly) one12:55
ggabrielbut like dr_gogeta86 says, i took a bit of a risk from within aptoide12:55
dr_gogeta86no no12:55
ggabrielif you have amazon, install from there12:55
dr_gogeta86go amazon and then uninstall12:55
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pasorry guys, long life to N913:50
Teguit's okay13:52
pa:)13:52
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Guest38461so no j2 :/13:58
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pp_SOON14:01
* pp_ runs14:02
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Guest38461soon?14:02
pp_just like tablet shipping14:03
Guest38461oo so soon :P14:03
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sakustarpa: whats this n9 without the 00s15:38
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Lucky_lukeso we have puzzlephone with sf15:39
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Hartziyeah16:08
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Lucky_lukebut not a j216:09
Lucky_luke:-/16:10
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Nicd-the puzzle phone is not a reality yet, they have only gotten $72k in funding after over a week16:29
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AcceIMO the initial price is too high considering the time it takes.. they should have done it similar to jolla, pay 100 now, the rest later16:33
Accebut maybe they don't have enough to produce without the money16:33
ggabrielthe reality is that this type of devices made in lower numbers is expensive... look at the neo900 project16:34
ggabrielit's a >1000 EUR phone16:34
ggabriel(or something along those lines)16:34
Acceyeah, and that's exactly why they should support paying in parts..16:34
Acceit would make participating more appealing, even if the end cost is higher16:35
Stskeepsggabriel: given enough compromises you can really get price a lot further down16:36
Lucky_lukebullshits16:37
Lucky_lukewe need j216:38
ggabrielStskeeps: ofc, the neo900 comes with a keyboard and whatnot16:38
ggabrielwoop woop the jolla at 169 eur16:38
Lucky_lukenot intex fairphones16:38
cehtehyeah .. i am pissed, send mail to support to refund me some money for the phone that will arrive at monday16:39
cehtehi mean i could just order anew and sent it back, more trouble for them16:39
pp_probably not a viable business model, but paying say 50e for a port for something that's already made in bulk like moto, galaxy s or nexus :-)16:39
Stskeepscehteh: those cases will always happen at price changes, though16:39
pp_(and getting android app support for the corner cases)16:39
TMavicaWhat mean adventure in hong kong16:40
cehtehStskeeps: sure16:40
Stskeepsor let's say, a new device is published16:40
cehtehbut this is massive and i am not willing to pay that much more16:40
Stskeepspeople suddenly want money back for buying old device16:40
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ggabrielawesome, new phone on its way :P16:41
cehtehwell if its within the 14days return period, they have to swallow the pill16:41
TemeVI hear iPhones tend to break when new is published16:41
Stskeepscehteh: sure16:41
cehtehi hoped for a new updated jolla as well, but thats not going to happen anytime soon16:42
ggabrielcehteh: do the math... are you sure you'll be making enough money for the trouble?16:42
cehtehme?16:42
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cehtehtrouble?16:42
Stskeepscehteh: or get another one and sell the battery inside it for 300 usd16:42
ggabrieli mean, it's 30 eur shipping16:42
Stskeeps:P16:42
ggabriel+ extra shipping from your home to jolla16:42
ggabriel(assuming 15 eur shipping, not sure where you are)16:43
cehtehphone got 85Eur cheaper16:43
ggabrielyeah16:43
TemeVat least in finland returning is free16:43
cehtehand i just found out they even cover the shipping for returns16:43
ggabrielok, fair enough16:43
cehtehso its ok for me if i can keep the phone and they refund me 50Eur .. that would be a win-win16:43
cehtehif not .. i just send it back16:44
TemeVmy guess is their erp or what ever get pissed and doesn't allow something like that :)16:44
cehtehlittle more trouble for me, some more money safed .. and much more trouble for them16:44
ggabrielwell, for jolla it will be bau16:44
ggabrielfor you it will be a long wait16:44
ggabrielbut if you think it's worth it16:45
ggabriellike Stskeeps says, this happens across the board16:45
cehtehmy n900 broke almost 2 years ago .. that time i had no smartphone, i could wait a little longer16:45
Stskeepswell, i'm on cehteh's side, he has right for a refund in general16:45
TemeVfor 85 eur, I would go through the trouble16:45
cehtehif the price dropped lets say 30Eur ..ok ...16:45
ggabrieli'd definitely at least consider cehteh's strategy16:46
ggabrielbut i'd save 40 eur16:46
Stskeepsi'm not happy about people that demand things -after- return period because a new and shinier device came out, or price dropped16:46
ggabrielwhich isn't worth my time16:46
Stskeeps:P16:46
cehtehbut this now is massive, and considering i ordered on 20th oct and waited a long time already16:46
ggabrielcehteh: you should order a new device now as you don't know how long the offer will last ;)16:46
ggabrielStskeeps: well, if you buy the jolla on amazon, you have a lot more than 14 days ;-)16:47
cehtehi hope this order will at least last until i get a response from jolla OR the phone arives on monday16:47
cehtehso if no response until monday and the offer still stands i go for buying anew and get refund16:48
cehtehreturn the one i receive16:48
ggabrielnow the race begins... jolla or tablet first?16:49
cehtehi dont need a tablet16:49
ggabrielme neither16:49
ggabrieli was just supporting jolla16:49
ggabrieland it'll replace my broken kindle at any rate16:49
lainwir3di didn't need one16:49
lainwir3dbut I must admit i'm very happy with it16:49
cehtehdoes the tablet have broadband meanwhile?16:49
lainwir3dno16:49
ggabrieldefine broadband16:49
ggabrielit has wifi16:50
cehtehmobile networks16:50
ggabrielno, it doesn't16:50
cehtehwifi doesnt count16:50
cehtehmakes it pretty useless imo16:50
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cehtehmmh could just place another order *now* and tell them to cancel it when they refund me for the other phone17:01
cehtehchem|st: there?17:02
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Aciidhey guys join #JollaAdventures in #bankruptcy17:04
Aciidlearn how to spend seedfunding in less than 2 years17:05
rigocehteh: in any way as this is distance selling, you can always cancel within a week after receipt without having to justify. So I think negotiation is helping them and you17:05
cehtehyes :)17:06
cehtehand we are in the european union here .. with some harmonized customer rights17:06
cehtehi dont want to be hostile to jolla, its ok for me when they take my money for a phone, ji just dont want to pay 85Eur more than i need to17:07
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cehtehjust no one knows how long the 169Eur offer will last17:08
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Aciid6+9 = illuminati17:09
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Ezkodoes anyone have any ideas on what to do when my cutespot doesn't want to start anymore?17:14
Ezkoreinstalling doesn't help17:14
TemeVEzko: remove config files17:14
Ezkoah17:15
Ezkoand where would they be and what's the easiest way to access them? :P17:18
TemeV/home/nemo/.local/share/harbour-cutespot17:19
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TemeVif you don't like terminal, you can also use file browser from the Store and enable showing hidden files17:19
TemeVbut also: rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/harbour-cutespot17:20
TemeVin terminal will do the trick17:20
Ezkothank you17:20
TemeVAnd I have no idea if that will work, but there is not much harm in trying :)17:20
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Ezkowell at least it started!17:22
Ezkonow the hardest part, remembering my spotify password :P17:22
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adherrytablet got postponed again? man, I think I will never get one18:39
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Lieke_i'm sure we'll get it eventually and it'll be awesome18:41
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adherrymy hopes got a bit dented when I saw that the jolla does is not compatible with apple music18:42
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adherryBut I hope it is ok18:46
adherryI don’t expect it to be some revolutionary thing, it only needs to be hackable enough18:46
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attahAm I reading this correctly; Puzzlephone gets a "community" port?19:54
dr_gogeta86yep19:58
attahTo me that means no promise of updates, and definitely no Alien Dalvik19:59
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attahReal bummer because i really want a new sfos-phone.. but unfortunately android compatibility is a must in today's world20:02
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ursas long as nobody announces a hardware keyboard for puzzlephone, I don't want it!20:05
attahalways the hwkbd :D20:06
Stskeepsattah: i wouldn't say no promise, it's usually easier when there's a hw party who could pay20:06
attahStskeeps: yeah, i get that20:07
Stskeepscollecting micropayments for individuals is a bit harder20:07
tadzik. o O ( crowdfund it? )20:07
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attahi'm just writing from a rather selfish point of view20:07
Stskeepstadzik: the margin above taken in crowdfunding costs may be more than what people would want to pay..20:08
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attahi saw this one thing on TJC about monthly/whatever subscription to updates20:08
tadzikAh20:09
Stskeepsnow, ethereum style trustless crowdfunding... :P20:09
attahthat sounded like a pretty neat way to get around the issue20:09
attahisn't one issue that cashflow tends to lessen if you make too good devices.. this seems to solve that20:11
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adherryyou could use patreon to finance people developing that….oh wait, their db was stolen20:26
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sigmounte_Hi !20:44
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sigmounte_I have some problem with my Jolla , just after the last update , it does the white jolla logo , then black screen and white led for hours20:47
sigmounte_i've tried a lot of way to repair it20:47
adherrydid you try repair console?20:47
sigmounte_yes20:47
sigmounte_10.42.66.66 etc etc20:47
adherrywere you connected and did you reset the device to factory there?20:48
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sigmounte_i need the image made with dd20:48
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sigmounte_i did the backup to my sdcard and tried factory reset , but it fail at "umount /mnt/ "20:48
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sigmounte_Look like there is a link to the file on IRC ?20:51
adherryhmm, think you should better use the support before we tell you anything bad and you make a hard out of your soft brick20:54
adherrybtw, on the topic of trust20:54
adherryI did the last update for my phone on the way to the airport20:55
adherrywith the ticket as image on my phone20:55
adherrymost intense cab drive I ever did20:55
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sigmounte_adherry , thanks for the infos , but badly tomorrow i'll really need my phone for my own security ( will be in a place where you NEED a way to call for help ) , and ia have no time to call the support ( and off course to send them my phone ) , i'm a linux users since a long time and i'm not affraid of dd'ing the image back ;) My linux box is already redy with the rndis driver waiting for my jolla20:58
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