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keithzgEzko: Are you sure? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_(diacritic)#Borrowing_of_German_umlaut_notation02:39
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coderusgiucam: you mean no volume to screenshot? :(08:47
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fennekkikeithzg: umlaut is a feature of Germanic languages, and Finnish is not one. The sound of the finnish ä is similar to a-umlaut, however, and the character is borrowed, as stated in that article10:49
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PawkyIf you are ringing someone, and you stop before someone answered, is it really a true statenent "The call ended"?10:56
Pawkyeverytime when I hang up as no one answers, and I read "The call ended", im thinking 'damn, did he/she just pickup the phone'?10:57
ggabrielPawky: you have too many problems :) the definition of "call" as a noun by no means implies that the other ends acknowledges/responds, so I would agree that if you call someone, you start a call regardless of whether it is picked up or not11:03
Pawkyggabriel: I am pretty sure my older phones did distinguish between this though :-)11:04
ggabrielyou asked a different question11:04
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ggabrieland it's all too relative anyway11:05
Pawky:-)11:05
Pawkybut it would still be nice to know the difference between someone picking up the phone and you just calling/buzzing that person. :-)11:05
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ggabrielyou can open a tjc for that, sure11:06
tbrthe technical term is "reason for call termination" and the signalled codes depend on each operator and their network configuration. No idea how Jolla maps those to strings though11:06
VenemoI didn't see any other string, just "call ended"11:07
Pawkybut an "ended call" usually means you have spoken to someone... at least in my humble oppion...11:07
ggabrielsailfish loves you and it doesn't want to tell you that the other end looked at the caller id, sighed, put it back in the pocket11:07
Pawkylol11:08
Pawkymight it be because the ohter party is bored stiff of all my philosophical, yet important questions in life? :-D11:08
Pawkyit should be "dialing ended" rather than "call ended"11:09
ggabrielPawky: I think the dictionary disagrees with you11:10
Pawkyggabriel: well I do understand the dictionary has another point of view, but as a caller, I would like to know the difference between the dialing ending and the call ending.11:11
Pawkythey have two slightly different meanings ending up in the same result.11:11
TemeVdoesn't dialing end when the phone starts ringing in the other end?11:11
Pawkywhere one will for sure make your girlfriend/boyfriend angry.... :-/11:11
PawkyTemeV: hmmm.. :-)11:12
Pawkywell, i dont believe we do dial at all any more..11:12
tbrJFTR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.931#Disconnect_causes11:12
Pawkyno dials to be seen on those über modern smart phones these days11:12
ggabrieltbr: I like "Internetworking, unspecified"11:13
ggabrielthat will be the reason I give the next time someone asks why I didn't pick up11:13
tbrthere are rather "obscure" entries and I'd expect that (aside from old Nokia phones) only the most common one get a string assigned, everything else will get a generic "call ended" or such11:14
Pawkyif call also include the dialing part, then the protocol implies I could actually suspend that part as well... "call suspended"11:14
Pawkyi dont believe it will work in real life though ;-)11:14
PawkyI interpret that list from tbr, to be the very proof a call is when you are connected at both ends :-)11:15
tbryou can suspend calls, it's called "putting a call on hold"11:15
tbrPawky: no it's not11:15
Pawkytrue... but can I suspend it before the other one picked up?11:15
Pawkywill a suspended call continue to ring?11:16
tbrhaven't tried, most likely it would11:16
Pawkyhmm, doubt it.11:16
tbrthere are plenty of codes that could be sent way before any other end "picks up" aka call goes into state ANSWERED11:17
Pawkymaybe the phone should state "Answered call ended" :-)11:17
tbrmost obviously: Call rejected, User busy, Destination out of order11:18
lainwir3d... are you really discussing this ? lol11:18
Pawky"I like Incompatible destination" :-)11:18
ggabrielwe have too many problems lainwir3d11:18
Pawkylol11:18
lainwir3d:D11:18
ggabrielwe'll discuss the tablet when it arrives11:19
lainwir3dhaha11:19
tbrif ever11:19
ggabrielalso, my 2nd jolla is in picking \o/11:19
Pawkywell, don't you think i have the tiniest of point here being able to differentiate between an answered call and one that isnt?11:19
Pawkybelieving in the jolla tablet is like beleiving in Santa Claus... one can but hope it is true..11:20
Pawkyeven though we are old enough to know the difference11:21
ggabriel? santa exists ofc11:21
tbrI didn't argue that. I said termination codes are configured by network and I don't know how jolla maps them11:21
Pawkyignorance is bliss11:21
ggabrielwhoever gives me presents on xmas otherwise?11:21
Pawkytbr: true11:21
Stskeepstbr: i'm fairly sure it's "Network Error" or "Call Ended"11:21
Stskeepserror handing is .. not our best area11:21
tbrwell also levels of indirection11:21
TemeVPawky: you can check the length of the call from log. It shows non-zero if it was answered11:21
PawkySo.. wouldn't it be great to see the difference in the display? :-)11:21
ggabrielPawky: open a tjc?11:22
tbrsignalling is network dependent, gets sent to baseband and processed somehow, gets sent to ril, ril sends to ofono, ofono sends to call UI11:22
tbrI've seen phones give completely different messages for ended calls depending on network/operator11:23
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tbrif you want to trace this further, I'd recommend digging into the RIL header files for comparable qualcomm baseband AND into ofono source code11:24
Pawky:-)11:25
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tbrhttps://github.com/dzo/hardware_ril/blob/master/include/telephony/ril.h#L382 - this is not a complete list, there are vendor specific RIL signals11:30
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tbrreprise: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/ofono/blob/master/ofono/drivers/ril/ril_constants.h#L12011:33
tbrhttps://git.merproject.org/mer-core/ofono/blob/master/ofono/drivers/rilmodem/voicecall.c#L11611:35
tbrhttp://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/include/types.h#n6111:40
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tbryou'll notice that the signals available to ofono are rather, limited in comparison to ril or yet Q.93111:41
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tbrtl;dr - The messages are very unlikely to change as it would seem to need significant changes to external software components11:47
Pawky:-(11:47
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giucamcoderus: not with that commit, no12:08
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SfietKonstantinWwow what a beauty https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Fairphone+2+Teardown/5252315:15
SfietKonstantinWif this runs SFOS, I'm pretty happy :)15:15
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ursif it doesn't have a hardware keyboard, I don't want it!15:19
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MoritzJTA good upgrade it will be15:24
MoritzJTBut I cannot attach TOHKBD yet :D15:24
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NokiusSfietKonstantinW: I told u ;)19:00
SfietKonstantinWNokius: you might have told me something, but it is not here :)19:00
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NokiusSfietKonstantinW: the beauty of the fairphone 2 :P had it a few month im my hands19:01
SfietKonstantinWNokius: ah :)19:01
SfietKonstantinWwhat did you do with it ?19:01
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NokiusSfietKonstantinW: nothing special I removed the battery :,( was not able to boot it19:07
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SfietKonstantinWNokius: ew19:18
SfietKonstantinW:(19:18
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tabasko_tried to upload my app to harbour but got server 500 error on binary upload :C19:25
tabasko_https://kurnu.org/index.php/s/qCMQzwLx114IvJx19:25
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tabasko_same thing seems to have happened before too https://together.jolla.com/question/55783/cannot-upload-new-app-to-harbour/19:32
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* AL13N1 can still not upgrade to 2.0: https://together.jolla.com/question/120017/cant-update-to-20010-fatal-error-authentication-failed-is-ssu-set-up-correctly/20:21
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HartziAL13N: disabling open repos and removing screen tap shot app by coderus worked for me.21:02
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coderusHartzi: lol21:38
coderusgo to hell dude21:38
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coderusremove yourself from earth plz21:39
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