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r0kk3rzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfznnKUwywQ interesting method disney have come up with for designing mechanical characters09:53
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pdanekhttp://insalgo.com/en/products/aidlab13:04
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merbotr0kk3rz: phdeswer was last seen in #jollamobile 3 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <phdeswer> Some tabs reload but that is not oom...14:11
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hhhhhhhhhi, can jolla do offline maps, does it have a compass, and does it have a swype like keyboard15:09
ggabrielhhhhhhhh: here works in alien dalvik and can do offline maps, and so does modrana and it's native, and there may be other options; it does have a compass; no swype15:10
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hhhhhhhhthanks15:12
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hhhhhhhhhow well does jolla phone handle being dropped too15:18
hhhhhhhhi drop my current phone about once a week15:19
tbrdepends™15:19
ggabrielI'd say it handles it pretty much like any other phones, taking physics into consideration :P15:20
ggabrielthe best thing is not to drop anything, ever15:20
tbrconcrete, gravel, rock → nope, just like most other phones15:20
tbrif it's just from 20-30cm on a soft floor, no problem15:21
hhhhhhhhi have the cheapest crap windows phone which has survived being dropped outdoors and on my tiled floors15:23
hhhhhhhhnot dropping it is not an option15:23
ggabrielwell, sadly nokia is gone so you won't find that build quality ever again15:23
ggabrielso you'd better get used to not dropping phones :P15:23
ggabriel(assuming you have a nokia/exnokia windows phone, else you've been lucky)15:23
ggabrieloh, you have those motorola ones too, they pretty much challenge you to destroy them15:24
hhhhhhhhit is a nokia yes15:24
ggabrielthe jolla phone isn't one of those15:24
ggabrielyou can always buy some protective cover15:24
ggabrielmine took a >1m drop to properly crack the screen and then a 30km/h x-country ski fall to shatter it... it still works if you can live with it15:25
Nicd-not dropping it is always an option15:25
hhhhhhhhi wish :d15:26
mornfallggabriel: modrana can do offline maps now?15:27
ggabrielmornfall: it always could15:27
mornfallwait, how15:27
ggabrieldepending on the definition of offline maps15:27
ggabrielof course15:27
ggabrielwell, basically, just use it and it downloads the tiles15:27
mornfallcached tiles are not offline maps15:28
ggabrielthe next time you see those tiles, it loads them from fs15:28
ggabrielno, it isn't cached tiles15:28
ggabrielthey are left there forever15:28
mornfalldoesn't make any difference15:28
ggabrielit makes a huge difference15:28
ggabrielhere maps caches tiles but then deletes them15:28
ggabrielmodrana doesn't15:28
Coolg33kuse osmand~15:28
Coolg33kyou download offline map to use it15:28
ggabrielI used it offline anyway, a number of times15:28
mornfallggabriel: here has offline maps: I know I go to SAR, I tell it to download SAR and I know I will have a map of SAR15:29
ggabrieland modrana has several scripts/hacks/whatever so that you download on a pc, then transfer to phone etc15:29
mornfallggabriel: I don't have to manually look at every corner of the country15:29
ggabrieland by far the friendliest developer in the world :P15:29
ggabrielmornfall: you are talking about here maps for android/ios15:29
ggabrieli'm talking about the native sfos one15:30
ggabrielyou can also try osmand as Coolg33k suggests15:30
mornfallggabriel: I am telling you what 'offline maps' means15:30
ggabriel15:27 < ggabriel> depending on the definition of offline maps15:30
ggabrielI may not agree with your definition of offline maps :P15:30
mornfalldepending on the definition, a phone booth is a mobile phone15:30
ggabrielok15:31
hhhhhhhhok what i meant was15:31
hhhhhhhhcan i tell the phone to download the maps for an entire country in advance15:32
ggabrielhhhhhhhh: yes15:32
mornfallanyone who asks for offline maps and you give them (even permanent) cache is going to be very disappointed15:32
ggabrielwith modrana, but easier with here maps15:32
ggabrielmornfall: modrana can download sections of maps too15:32
mornfallok... how? :)15:32
mornfall(keep in mind that bulk downloads from OSM tile servers is against ToS)15:32
ggabrielmornfall: read the friendly manual, can't be bothered to explain now15:33
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ggabriela commercial application makes it easier, sure15:33
ggabrielthat doesn't mean the feature isn't there15:33
ggabrielyou can also use google maps these days if you so want to15:33
ggabrielso, plenty of offline maps options on the jolla phone15:34
ggabrieland because you have access to the fs, you can argue that a lot more than android storage-wise15:34
ggabrielor ios for that matter15:34
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mornfallandroid apps and jolla gps don't work together out of the box either15:34
ggabrielwat15:34
ggabrielso how did I navigate the last few times I got on a car with the jolla phone and here maps for android then?15:35
mornfallyou need to run a native app to maintain a fix15:35
ggabrieldid it "guess" where I was going? or was it a dream?15:35
ggabrielmornfall: you're either trolling or your phone is very broken15:35
mornfallwell, when *I* tried that it'd lose fix every time the screen blanked15:35
mornfallunless I ran gpsinfo in the background15:35
ggabrielmornfall: I suggest you restore to factory settings, update to latest, try again; if it keeps doing that, consider contacting care15:36
mornfallalready tried that15:36
mornfallit fixed *some* of the glitches15:36
ggabrielwhich version of here maps do you use?15:36
mornfallabout says 1.1.517 8.30.59.10715:37
mornfallit doesn't get a fix at all now, but I'm sitting at home15:38
* ggabriel needs to reboot as alien dalvik refuses to start15:39
mornfallhm, it gave up entirely and switched the gps off now15:39
mornfallprobably due to the screen going blank, like it always did15:39
ggabrielso, yeah, first time you need a fix for that and native applications like meerun15:40
mornfallswitching to here puts it back hunting15:40
ggabrielbut once the fix is there, that's it15:40
mornfallyeah, very intuitive and not broken at all :-)15:40
ggabrielarguably a bug15:40
ggabrielthat i've seen on android and friends too, so *shrug*15:41
mornfall*shrug* indeed15:41
mornfallso the bottom line is, jolla can give you an offline map in a pinch, with emulation and workarounds15:42
ggabrielmornfall: consider upgrading here maps to at least 1.1.942115:42
ggabrieland the bottom line is your opinion as it works very nicely for me :P15:42
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mornfallso far the market has failed to appreciate how nicely it works, I guess... I suspect blaming users won't fix that though15:47
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ggabrielbut it's all the users's fault15:48
ggabrielthe reason why apple/google are so big in mobile is due to most users being lazy15:48
ggabrielso we end up where we are15:48
ggabrielclosed technologies and what not15:49
ggabrieland i recommended an android tablet the other day, so it's partly my fault (and I made god kill a kitten in the process)15:49
ggabrielso, there15:49
mornfallclosed technologies, you mean like sailfish?15:49
mornfallit goes both ways...15:50
ggabrielno, i mean like android and ios15:50
ggabrielanyway gtg15:50
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mornfallandroid is, sadly, more open than sailfish, as far as the base system goes15:50
mornfall(base including the interface layer, that is)15:50
Stskeepsmornfall: well, depends on where you look; UI components yes; on most devices, google now home isn't open, browser is closed, etc..15:52
Stskeepsbut yeah, it's not that good15:52
Stskeepspeople should try out a regular AOSP once in a whil15:52
Stskeepse15:52
mornfallaren't there phones that ship with cyanogen?15:53
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mornfallhm, that's muddy as well15:55
mornfall'based on the cyanogenmod source code' ... could mean anything15:55
mornfall(in that sense, chrome is based on chromium sources too)15:55
r0kk3rzggabriel, it also helps when there is alternatives available for purchase16:06
r0kk3rzwhich there currently is not16:07
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r0kk3rzand on the 'open source' front, i think theres a big difference between code-drops and open development16:14
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pdanekhttp://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-debt-restructuring/17:31
pdanek"The company currently employs around 200 developers and engineers according to its LinkedIn page..."17:31
pdanekLinkedIn: Jolla, Consumer Electronics, 51-200 employees17:31
pdanekFunny how some people interpret information.17:32
TofeHopefully they are not in a "51-1000" range...17:34
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pdanekAre you guys all hyped for Snapdragon 820?17:38
pdanekit's gonna be big17:38
tigelinot really :D17:38
r0kk3rzmobile cpus have been 'good enough' in the grunt dept for a few cycles now17:40
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mornfallpdanek: what about it?17:43
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pdanekhttps://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/82017:54
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pdanekbut I'm sad about Google Glass not being successful17:55
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r0kk3rzwhy? they were too early18:02
r0kk3rzhololens is what glass should have been18:02
r0kk3rzand maybe hololens is still a little bit early18:03
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kimmoliand not even intrinsyc dragonboard for 82018:07
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pdanekI agree, too early18:11
pdanekbut 20 years ahead, many will be wearing glass wearable device18:11
pdanekglasses*18:12
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r0kk3rz20 years is a bit too far to really imagine18:19
r0kk3rzon the consumer electronics side anyway18:19
r0kk3rzthink back 20 years, it was 199518:19
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pdanekr0kk3rz: Where do you see Jolla in 20 years?18:31
pdanekmerbot: seen TMavica18:32
merbotpdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 6 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <TMavica> Will Jolla HK office move too?18:32
r0kk3rzdead and buried? although thats the 12 month outlook, in 20 years? who knows18:32
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Nicd-oooh, fingerterm does support 256 colors. this is nice18:35
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pdanekGoogle Glass is the best hope for technology that I have seen last few years19:30
pdanekand damn... it just can't become mainstream19:30
M4rtinKwell19:31
M4rtinKthe tech was just not that good19:32
pdanekI'm big fan of Steve Mann19:32
pdanekway before Google Glass was shown to the world, I wished to be like Steve Mann19:32
pdanek:D19:32
M4rtinKalso imho thanks to Google Glass AR has pretty bad PR in some circles due to all the cloud spying bullshit Google tried to cram into Glass19:33
M4rtinKthat's imho another issue19:33
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StskeepsM4rtinK: glassholes? :)19:36
M4rtinKthat's an interesting word :)19:37
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* Stskeeps is a bigger believer in audio augmented reality19:37
M4rtinKthat actually is a clever idea19:37
M4rtinK+ should be much easier to implement19:38
Stskeepsyeah, but earphones in ear when out in traffic is a bad idea19:38
r0kk3rzisnt that just active noise cancelling headphones?19:39
Stskeepsno, any really19:40
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M4rtinKBTW, I have actually some AR ides for modRana19:40
M4rtinKfor example basic AR showing where POIs are via the camera view is rather easy and should provide nice eye candy :)19:41
M4rtinKeven AGTL did that back on the N919:41
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ggabrielthat thing is pretty good on the n9. was it panorama or something? I'm sure I still have it19:48
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pdanekhttp://i0.wp.com/microcapresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/vuzix-1.png?resize=720%2C52620:17
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pdanekStskeeps: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ora-x-world-s-first-augmented-reality-headphones#/23:10
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