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r0kk3rz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfznnKUwywQ interesting method disney have come up with for designing mechanical characters | 09:53 |
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pdanek | http://insalgo.com/en/products/aidlab | 13:04 |
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r0kk3rz | !seen phdeswer | 14:11 |
merbot | r0kk3rz: phdeswer was last seen in #jollamobile 3 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <phdeswer> Some tabs reload but that is not oom... | 14:11 |
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hhhhhhhh | hi, can jolla do offline maps, does it have a compass, and does it have a swype like keyboard | 15:09 |
ggabriel | hhhhhhhh: here works in alien dalvik and can do offline maps, and so does modrana and it's native, and there may be other options; it does have a compass; no swype | 15:10 |
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hhhhhhhh | thanks | 15:12 |
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hhhhhhhh | how well does jolla phone handle being dropped too | 15:18 |
hhhhhhhh | i drop my current phone about once a week | 15:19 |
tbr | depends™ | 15:19 |
ggabriel | I'd say it handles it pretty much like any other phones, taking physics into consideration :P | 15:20 |
ggabriel | the best thing is not to drop anything, ever | 15:20 |
tbr | concrete, gravel, rock → nope, just like most other phones | 15:20 |
tbr | if it's just from 20-30cm on a soft floor, no problem | 15:21 |
hhhhhhhh | i have the cheapest crap windows phone which has survived being dropped outdoors and on my tiled floors | 15:23 |
hhhhhhhh | not dropping it is not an option | 15:23 |
ggabriel | well, sadly nokia is gone so you won't find that build quality ever again | 15:23 |
ggabriel | so you'd better get used to not dropping phones :P | 15:23 |
ggabriel | (assuming you have a nokia/exnokia windows phone, else you've been lucky) | 15:23 |
ggabriel | oh, you have those motorola ones too, they pretty much challenge you to destroy them | 15:24 |
hhhhhhhh | it is a nokia yes | 15:24 |
ggabriel | the jolla phone isn't one of those | 15:24 |
ggabriel | you can always buy some protective cover | 15:24 |
ggabriel | mine took a >1m drop to properly crack the screen and then a 30km/h x-country ski fall to shatter it... it still works if you can live with it | 15:25 |
Nicd- | not dropping it is always an option | 15:25 |
hhhhhhhh | i wish :d | 15:26 |
mornfall | ggabriel: modrana can do offline maps now? | 15:27 |
ggabriel | mornfall: it always could | 15:27 |
mornfall | wait, how | 15:27 |
ggabriel | depending on the definition of offline maps | 15:27 |
ggabriel | of course | 15:27 |
ggabriel | well, basically, just use it and it downloads the tiles | 15:27 |
mornfall | cached tiles are not offline maps | 15:28 |
ggabriel | the next time you see those tiles, it loads them from fs | 15:28 |
ggabriel | no, it isn't cached tiles | 15:28 |
ggabriel | they are left there forever | 15:28 |
mornfall | doesn't make any difference | 15:28 |
ggabriel | it makes a huge difference | 15:28 |
ggabriel | here maps caches tiles but then deletes them | 15:28 |
ggabriel | modrana doesn't | 15:28 |
Coolg33k | use osmand~ | 15:28 |
Coolg33k | you download offline map to use it | 15:28 |
ggabriel | I used it offline anyway, a number of times | 15:28 |
mornfall | ggabriel: here has offline maps: I know I go to SAR, I tell it to download SAR and I know I will have a map of SAR | 15:29 |
ggabriel | and modrana has several scripts/hacks/whatever so that you download on a pc, then transfer to phone etc | 15:29 |
mornfall | ggabriel: I don't have to manually look at every corner of the country | 15:29 |
ggabriel | and by far the friendliest developer in the world :P | 15:29 |
ggabriel | mornfall: you are talking about here maps for android/ios | 15:29 |
ggabriel | i'm talking about the native sfos one | 15:30 |
ggabriel | you can also try osmand as Coolg33k suggests | 15:30 |
mornfall | ggabriel: I am telling you what 'offline maps' means | 15:30 |
ggabriel | 15:27 < ggabriel> depending on the definition of offline maps | 15:30 |
ggabriel | I may not agree with your definition of offline maps :P | 15:30 |
mornfall | depending on the definition, a phone booth is a mobile phone | 15:30 |
ggabriel | ok | 15:31 |
hhhhhhhh | ok what i meant was | 15:31 |
hhhhhhhh | can i tell the phone to download the maps for an entire country in advance | 15:32 |
ggabriel | hhhhhhhh: yes | 15:32 |
mornfall | anyone who asks for offline maps and you give them (even permanent) cache is going to be very disappointed | 15:32 |
ggabriel | with modrana, but easier with here maps | 15:32 |
ggabriel | mornfall: modrana can download sections of maps too | 15:32 |
mornfall | ok... how? :) | 15:32 |
mornfall | (keep in mind that bulk downloads from OSM tile servers is against ToS) | 15:32 |
ggabriel | mornfall: read the friendly manual, can't be bothered to explain now | 15:33 |
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ggabriel | a commercial application makes it easier, sure | 15:33 |
ggabriel | that doesn't mean the feature isn't there | 15:33 |
ggabriel | you can also use google maps these days if you so want to | 15:33 |
ggabriel | so, plenty of offline maps options on the jolla phone | 15:34 |
ggabriel | and because you have access to the fs, you can argue that a lot more than android storage-wise | 15:34 |
ggabriel | or ios for that matter | 15:34 |
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mornfall | android apps and jolla gps don't work together out of the box either | 15:34 |
ggabriel | wat | 15:34 |
ggabriel | so how did I navigate the last few times I got on a car with the jolla phone and here maps for android then? | 15:35 |
mornfall | you need to run a native app to maintain a fix | 15:35 |
ggabriel | did it "guess" where I was going? or was it a dream? | 15:35 |
ggabriel | mornfall: you're either trolling or your phone is very broken | 15:35 |
mornfall | well, when *I* tried that it'd lose fix every time the screen blanked | 15:35 |
mornfall | unless I ran gpsinfo in the background | 15:35 |
ggabriel | mornfall: I suggest you restore to factory settings, update to latest, try again; if it keeps doing that, consider contacting care | 15:36 |
mornfall | already tried that | 15:36 |
mornfall | it fixed *some* of the glitches | 15:36 |
ggabriel | which version of here maps do you use? | 15:36 |
mornfall | about says 1.1.517 8.30.59.107 | 15:37 |
mornfall | it doesn't get a fix at all now, but I'm sitting at home | 15:38 |
* ggabriel needs to reboot as alien dalvik refuses to start | 15:39 | |
mornfall | hm, it gave up entirely and switched the gps off now | 15:39 |
mornfall | probably due to the screen going blank, like it always did | 15:39 |
ggabriel | so, yeah, first time you need a fix for that and native applications like meerun | 15:40 |
mornfall | switching to here puts it back hunting | 15:40 |
ggabriel | but once the fix is there, that's it | 15:40 |
mornfall | yeah, very intuitive and not broken at all :-) | 15:40 |
ggabriel | arguably a bug | 15:40 |
ggabriel | that i've seen on android and friends too, so *shrug* | 15:41 |
mornfall | *shrug* indeed | 15:41 |
mornfall | so the bottom line is, jolla can give you an offline map in a pinch, with emulation and workarounds | 15:42 |
ggabriel | mornfall: consider upgrading here maps to at least 1.1.9421 | 15:42 |
ggabriel | and the bottom line is your opinion as it works very nicely for me :P | 15:42 |
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mornfall | so far the market has failed to appreciate how nicely it works, I guess... I suspect blaming users won't fix that though | 15:47 |
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ggabriel | but it's all the users's fault | 15:48 |
ggabriel | the reason why apple/google are so big in mobile is due to most users being lazy | 15:48 |
ggabriel | so we end up where we are | 15:48 |
ggabriel | closed technologies and what not | 15:49 |
ggabriel | and i recommended an android tablet the other day, so it's partly my fault (and I made god kill a kitten in the process) | 15:49 |
ggabriel | so, there | 15:49 |
mornfall | closed technologies, you mean like sailfish? | 15:49 |
mornfall | it goes both ways... | 15:50 |
ggabriel | no, i mean like android and ios | 15:50 |
ggabriel | anyway gtg | 15:50 |
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mornfall | android is, sadly, more open than sailfish, as far as the base system goes | 15:50 |
mornfall | (base including the interface layer, that is) | 15:50 |
Stskeeps | mornfall: well, depends on where you look; UI components yes; on most devices, google now home isn't open, browser is closed, etc.. | 15:52 |
Stskeeps | but yeah, it's not that good | 15:52 |
Stskeeps | people should try out a regular AOSP once in a whil | 15:52 |
Stskeeps | e | 15:52 |
mornfall | aren't there phones that ship with cyanogen? | 15:53 |
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mornfall | hm, that's muddy as well | 15:55 |
mornfall | 'based on the cyanogenmod source code' ... could mean anything | 15:55 |
mornfall | (in that sense, chrome is based on chromium sources too) | 15:55 |
r0kk3rz | ggabriel, it also helps when there is alternatives available for purchase | 16:06 |
r0kk3rz | which there currently is not | 16:07 |
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r0kk3rz | and on the 'open source' front, i think theres a big difference between code-drops and open development | 16:14 |
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pdanek | http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-debt-restructuring/ | 17:31 |
pdanek | "The company currently employs around 200 developers and engineers according to its LinkedIn page..." | 17:31 |
pdanek | LinkedIn: Jolla, Consumer Electronics, 51-200 employees | 17:31 |
pdanek | Funny how some people interpret information. | 17:32 |
Tofe | Hopefully they are not in a "51-1000" range... | 17:34 |
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pdanek | Are you guys all hyped for Snapdragon 820? | 17:38 |
pdanek | it's gonna be big | 17:38 |
tigeli | not really :D | 17:38 |
r0kk3rz | mobile cpus have been 'good enough' in the grunt dept for a few cycles now | 17:40 |
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mornfall | pdanek: what about it? | 17:43 |
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pdanek | https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/820 | 17:54 |
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pdanek | but I'm sad about Google Glass not being successful | 17:55 |
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r0kk3rz | why? they were too early | 18:02 |
r0kk3rz | hololens is what glass should have been | 18:02 |
r0kk3rz | and maybe hololens is still a little bit early | 18:03 |
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kimmoli | and not even intrinsyc dragonboard for 820 | 18:07 |
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pdanek | I agree, too early | 18:11 |
pdanek | but 20 years ahead, many will be wearing glass wearable device | 18:11 |
pdanek | glasses* | 18:12 |
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r0kk3rz | 20 years is a bit too far to really imagine | 18:19 |
r0kk3rz | on the consumer electronics side anyway | 18:19 |
r0kk3rz | think back 20 years, it was 1995 | 18:19 |
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pdanek | r0kk3rz: Where do you see Jolla in 20 years? | 18:31 |
pdanek | merbot: seen TMavica | 18:32 |
merbot | pdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 6 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <TMavica> Will Jolla HK office move too? | 18:32 |
r0kk3rz | dead and buried? although thats the 12 month outlook, in 20 years? who knows | 18:32 |
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Nicd- | oooh, fingerterm does support 256 colors. this is nice | 18:35 |
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pdanek | Google Glass is the best hope for technology that I have seen last few years | 19:30 |
pdanek | and damn... it just can't become mainstream | 19:30 |
M4rtinK | well | 19:31 |
M4rtinK | the tech was just not that good | 19:32 |
pdanek | I'm big fan of Steve Mann | 19:32 |
pdanek | way before Google Glass was shown to the world, I wished to be like Steve Mann | 19:32 |
pdanek | :D | 19:32 |
M4rtinK | also imho thanks to Google Glass AR has pretty bad PR in some circles due to all the cloud spying bullshit Google tried to cram into Glass | 19:33 |
M4rtinK | that's imho another issue | 19:33 |
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Stskeeps | M4rtinK: glassholes? :) | 19:36 |
M4rtinK | that's an interesting word :) | 19:37 |
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* Stskeeps is a bigger believer in audio augmented reality | 19:37 | |
M4rtinK | that actually is a clever idea | 19:37 |
M4rtinK | + should be much easier to implement | 19:38 |
Stskeeps | yeah, but earphones in ear when out in traffic is a bad idea | 19:38 |
r0kk3rz | isnt that just active noise cancelling headphones? | 19:39 |
Stskeeps | no, any really | 19:40 |
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M4rtinK | BTW, I have actually some AR ides for modRana | 19:40 |
M4rtinK | for example basic AR showing where POIs are via the camera view is rather easy and should provide nice eye candy :) | 19:41 |
M4rtinK | even AGTL did that back on the N9 | 19:41 |
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ggabriel | that thing is pretty good on the n9. was it panorama or something? I'm sure I still have it | 19:48 |
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pdanek | http://i0.wp.com/microcapresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/vuzix-1.png?resize=720%2C526 | 20:17 |
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pdanek | Stskeeps: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ora-x-world-s-first-augmented-reality-headphones#/ | 23:10 |
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