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fluxI hope at least one of the Qt(Quick)-based mobile OSes survive..07:55
fluxso I guess that's Blackberry's and Jolla's, not sure about Canonical's?07:56
Stskeepscanonical is qtquick too07:56
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ballockI've got a dd'd image of my mmcblk0p28 with all my data there09:05
ballockand I'd like to just copy over to a factory-default image some minor things:09:06
ballocksms history, contacts, notes09:06
ballockCan you point me which dirs I need to copy for those?09:06
ballockI guessed I need .local/share/commhistory/ for SMS history09:06
ballockI guess .local/share/jolla-notes is for notes,09:07
ballockwhat about the contacts?09:07
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Tofeballock: wouldn't it be easier to backup the backup vault ?09:16
ballockTofe: the image is off the device09:17
ballockI would need to bring it back, run the backup to vault, take it off, restore the current factory one and then restore the backup vault09:18
Tofeah ok09:18
ballockNo, it doesn't seem easier. It only seems easier if there's no information on the contact database.09:18
ballockLike: If only I knew where the contacts db is, I could just copy it over.09:19
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Tofethere was a post on TJC that gave a hint about that iirc09:19
ballockI did try googling on tjc, I did try to find a filename that could hint about its contents.09:20
ballockUnfortunately the only TJC posts I found where with the vault People vcd location.09:20
ballocks/where/was/09:21
Tofewell, the db must be somewhere in .local/share I guess, but I don't actually know09:21
ballockok, perhaps this: ./.local/share/system/privileged/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite09:23
lainwir3do/09:23
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ballockHmm... I guess I should also copy the accounts setup, it might get refereced09:26
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ballockOk, let's see...09:29
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ballockOk, that seems to have worked.09:45
ballockbtw, why is there a 'make a selfie' button, but no 'make a picture' button? selfie is narcistic, I never use it. I have physical people that make pictures of me.09:48
ballockI mean 2.0.1009:48
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ballockIs there just a selfie camera in the tablet? Is that the reason?09:49
ggabrieljolla tablet? it should have 209:50
ballockThen it's a curious use case to include a selfie button in quick actions and not even allow for a regular (back camera) photo quick action.09:51
ballockWhat's that? An iphone?09:52
ggabrieldunno, I don't have the tablet yet :P maybe one day...09:52
lainwir3dthere is both indeed09:52
narchi4when can I pay vat payments for joll tablet09:52
ggabrielnarchi4: when they send an email and tell you09:52
ggabrielbut right now things are pretty stale09:52
ballockggabriel: but it's in the phone version too09:52
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lainwir3dballock: you can remove it09:53
ggabrielballock: uhm... which quick action are you talking about?09:53
lainwir3dbut it's true that you cannot replace it with "take a picture"09:53
ballocklainwir3d: yes, but there's no regular picture action to pick instead!09:53
lainwir3dggabriel: take a selfie09:53
ggabrielo i c09:53
ggabrielsorry, don't really use quick actions and never realized09:54
ballockWhat a damn genie adds a selfie option without a regular one? Narcist.09:54
ballockSorry if the genie is here and reads that, but. This. Is. Just. Wrong.09:54
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narchi4first let me take a selfie09:54
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narchi4jolla community09:55
narchi4complain about selfie cameras09:55
narchi4#peoplePowdered09:55
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ballockEven the Instagram Husbands would object (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFzKi-o4rHw).09:55
ggabrielthere are a number of things missing there fwiw, it would be nice to have a way of plugging in more09:55
ballockggabriel: I agree. But... selfie?09:56
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ggabrielballock: it's popular, I wouldn't worry/care09:56
ggabrielsfos 2.0 brought a lot of bad habits of ios/android too, it isn't the end of the world09:57
ballockggabriel: It's just against my philosophy of being. I feel discriminated!09:57
Rikudou_Senninstill better selfies than ballfies :)09:57
ggabrielballock: hahaha, I feel you man09:57
ballockAnybody experimented with using 1.7 UI on Sailfish 2.0?09:58
ballockCan I use some subset of packages there?09:58
ggabrielI don't know of anybody who did that, some people stayed in 1.709:59
ballockI mean, I like the events view which includes the calendar events, I need 2.0 due to keyboard mapping on tohkbd209:59
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ballockBut the cover actions are just useless now.09:59
ggabrielthey aren't as good10:00
ballockNo, they are counter-productive now.10:00
ballockYou can tap on the cover action while you just wanted to bring focus to the app.10:00
ballockI don't remember using any cover actions since upgrading to 2.010:01
Rikudou_Senninthat's what I was talking about yesterday, probably the only thing that really pissed me off10:01
Rikudou_SenninI just got used to all the other changes, but the cover actions now are pain in the ass10:02
ballockCould we get the UI sources if there's nobody that would take care of them due to you-know-what?10:03
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ballockOr maybe it's enough to port the previous QML of the UI? And/or merge them?\10:04
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ballockAnybody knows where are the app icon locations stored?10:14
ballockI've got a total mess atm.10:14
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Rikudou_Senninballock: /usr/share/icons/10:18
Rikudou_Senninballock: there are some folders where the icons are stored10:18
Rikudou_Senninmostly /usr/share/icons/hicolor/86x86/apps10:18
ballockRikudou_Sennin: Sorry, I meant their row/column in the menu.10:20
Rikudou_SenninI think it will be somewhere in /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt510:21
ballockRikudou_Sennin: Found it. Thanks for the 'lipstick' tip, the location seem to be in ~/.config/nemomobile/lipstick.conf10:23
ballockIt's.. just.. a little bit weird:10:25
ballock[LauncherOrder]10:25
ballockusr\share\applications\fingerterm.desktop=7010:25
ballock\?10:25
Rikudou_Senninwhat's weird?10:26
ballockbackslashes (\)10:26
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ballockOk, I back it off, the file seems to have been used with the UI which did not have the 'folders' idea.10:30
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ballock.config/lipstick/applications.menu seems to be the place10:32
Rikudou_Senninand what are you trying to do?10:32
ballockReorder the icons in such I way that my muscle memory is accustomed to.10:33
Rikudou_Senninwhy you don't just move them?10:33
ballockI am. I just didn't remember how they were set in the first place. Muscle memory is different than real memory.10:34
Rikudou_Senninah, ok :)10:34
ballockThere was also some mer tools ssu repo or so?10:36
ballockI can't find netcat with pkcon.10:36
fluxhow amazingly heavy operation it is to open the top flick menu.. all my apps give the 'would you want to close this' dialog when I do it the first time :)10:37
Rikudou_Senninballock: I don't know, I think you would need to compile it10:38
ballockCome on. Netcat?10:38
Rikudou_SenninI did not find it in the repos :)10:39
Rikudou_Senninballock: I compiled it for you :) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8923820/netcat-0.7.1-1.armv7hl.rpm10:46
Rikudou_Senninor you can download it from openrepos, I added it10:48
ballockRikudou_Sennin: sorry, the rpm only has /usr/doc10:49
ballockbut thanks for trying, will use ssh for now10:49
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Rikudou_Senninmy bad, will compile again10:54
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Rikudou_Senninhttp://t.co/duVmjgwEr911:04
ballockRikudou_Sennin: thanks!11:05
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toxiphello everyone, don't forget to join our newly created jolla fanclub on telegram12:19
toxiphttps://telegram.me/joinchat/AWx9iQMXrgeo58Y9r39ReQ12:19
toxiphmm, puttytray is unable to register the link properly12:22
bognWhat's in there?12:23
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cos-http://world.taobao.com/item/525258878357.htm12:27
ggabrieluhm... too cheap12:28
ggabrielalso, 32gb12:28
ggabrielmaybe used/prototype?12:29
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cos-or just copy?12:32
ggabrielwith pirated firmware?12:33
ggabrielchinese spyware? :P12:33
cos-running symbian with jolla theme?12:33
ggabrielthat would be a fast tablet then ;)12:33
tortoisedoc32 gb ;_;12:35
tortoisedocthats the one I ordered ;_;12:35
bogntoxip: what's discussed in that fanclub on telegram?12:36
cos-i hope they are not selling our tablets away12:36
tortoisedoccos- : anything is possible12:40
tortoisedocif that's the case, i guess jolla is bust12:40
tortoisedoc:/12:40
Stskeepslights are still on, don't be fatalist12:42
toxipWe're discussing about irc<->telegram relay atm12:43
toxipbogn, we talk about everything really12:43
toxipwe could create a dedicated channel for the fanclub so people who don't have telegram could chat there12:44
lainwir3dwhat, didn't everyone get their tablets already ? D-:12:45
tbrgotta love it how they shopped "Android" into the OS field12:46
* tbr puts bets on the manufacturer selling off unpaid/unshipped stock or such12:47
Nicd-the page won't even load for me12:47
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ballocktbr: Maybe this one is android?12:47
Stskeepstbr: sounds like a reasonable theory12:47
the_mgtare they selling only one? whats the cart full of packages doing among the pictures?12:48
tbrballock: well, it might be possible to get android flying, everyone else runs Android on those SoCs. But that would require $effort to make a new factory image.12:48
tbrthe_mgt: it implies there are at least 78 items12:49
Stskeepstbr: it said 1000 when i looked down, though12:49
Stskeepser, now12:49
Nicd-their CSS and JS won't load for me so the page won't render12:49
Stskeepswhich is perhaps a bit more odd12:49
ballocktbr: under the condition the pictures have anything to do with what's actually shipped; and that can be a Jolla-looking Android cheaplet12:49
SQUelchersfos runs android apps, so chinese dealers will sell it as android :P12:49
tbrthat was exactly my thought12:50
tbrruns android apps → label as android12:50
Stskeepsand suddenly sailfish becomes hot cakes in china by accident?12:50
Stskeeps:P12:50
toxipthat is some shady business though12:50
Nicd-does that say ¥1180.00? google tells me it's 8 euros...12:52
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toxipwouldn't it be yuan?12:52
the_mgt( 约USD 181.30?) <- is written behind that12:52
StskeepsNicd-: 166 eur12:52
Stskeeps1180 RMB12:52
tbr1180 Chinese Yuan equals12:53
tbr182.27 US Dollar12:53
Nicd-I'm looking at the page without CSS and JS (all requests timed out) and it says "Â¥ 1180.00" in two places12:54
Nicd-:P12:54
ballockNicd-: it's China. Make sure to use ipv6.12:54
SQUelcheryen and yuan are using the same currency symbol, which is confusing.12:54
Nicd-ballock: you say that like I had IPv6 ;_;12:54
SQUelcherNicd-:12:54
ballockI back it off, it's an ipv4-only website12:55
ballockNicd-: Why don't you?12:55
Nicd-ballock: because no ISP offers it12:56
ballockhe.net and sixxs to the rescue12:56
Nicd-too much work for no benefit12:56
ballockthough I admit I switched to ISP-provided ipv6 when that became available12:56
ballockWell, my ipv6-addressable PC is available on the internet12:57
ln-Nicd-: many ISPs offer it12:57
* tbr has a connection from the consumer arm of a Tier 1 global carrier. they only offer legacy IP, no IPv612:57
ballockjust as a number of tiny devices I keep at home.12:57
SQUelcheri've got native ipv6 on vdsl and mobile, which is great.12:57
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Nicd-:(12:57
Nicd-way to rub it in12:58
tbrhe.net works great though12:58
ballockI admit youtube did not work through he.net as well as it did over ipv4.12:59
ballockbut that might be PoP thing and RTTs12:59
ballockand that when I switched to Orange's IPv6 offering, they tried to pull the plug off a public IP address they provide to its gear13:00
ballockbut I worked that around with multiple PPPoE connections.13:00
tbrnice13:00
ballockWell, maybe I'd go with IPv6 only and IPv4 over IPv6 tunnel13:01
SQUelcheron my mobile i can choose between unfiltered public ipv4 and dual stack with a private ipv4 %)13:01
ballockbut my cisco gear did not support the particular protocol they designed for it.13:01
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ballockCGNAT or something they called it13:02
ballockyou get a IPv6, DNSv6 and a hostname of the other IPv6-to-IPv4 gateway13:03
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ballockso I'd say it's subject to ethernet frame being smaller, and to a twisted dependency chain13:04
ballock- you depend on DNS which is on top of UDP on top of IPv6 to serve DNS, TCP, whatever over IPv4.13:05
ballockbut that's just my personal opinion.13:05
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plfiorinilol http://world.taobao.com/item/525246736574.htm13:12
Stskeepsnot sure how it's 'lol', probably sad consequence of this situation13:13
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plfioriniStskeeps: there are some things that make me laugh like the brutally photoshopped "Android" in the comparison table13:17
Stskeepsplfiorini: sure13:17
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sharpneliSo wait what.13:23
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sharpneliJolla didn't pay for the tablets and now they're liquidating them?13:23
Nicd-possibly13:24
Stskeepssharpneli: i can only presume that factory space takes up $$13:24
Smar166 € ?13:26
chem|stStskeeps: at least ship with SFOS!13:26
Stskeepschem|st: i have no idea what this is about13:27
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Smarthose promo images looks really good :P13:27
chem|stthe previous versions sold did not show any jolla reference13:27
plfioriniSmar: 166 + shipping from china13:28
chem|stSmar: yeah add shipping and taxes...13:28
SmarI don’t think shipping is much (or at least shouldn’t be), but taxes will take something :P13:28
Smaranyway, curious :P13:28
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tortoisedocfunny, this is exactly the same process that jolla was following, except the destination is not certain :)13:39
tortoisedoc(in this case i mean, whereas before it was fixed already)13:39
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tortoisedocStskeeps : can we also presume that these could be good buys?13:46
Stskeepsuhh.. you're buying from an essentially anonymous taobao shop? :P13:47
narchi4jolla tablet13:47
narchi4selling retail before preorders are manufactured13:47
Stskeepsi have no idea who's offering tha13:47
Stskeepst13:47
narchi4it's the jolla phone all over again13:47
tortoisedocnarchi4 : huh?13:47
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AmadeusXNetSFOS 2.0.0.20 will be out 24th of December? :) Would be a awesome x-mas gift :D13:54
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chem|stAmadeusXNet: what are you counting there?13:58
AmadeusXNetchem|st: Everytime a update gets to my phone. It become better and better. That's something I'm looking forward to. :)14:00
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chem|stAmadeusXNet: sure but .20? version after 2.0.0 is 2.0.1 and as that is close to two months ago... it might even be 2.0.214:02
AmadeusXNetOkey, I just picked a number. :)14:03
chem|stalthough, 2.0.1.5 would be cool as last upgrade of 201514:03
AmadeusXNethehe14:03
ggabrielwell, the reviewjolla guy reported 2.0.114:04
Jopeyou aren't all hammering the repo servers with your brute force scripts? :-D14:04
ggabrielI second chem|st tough, maybe GA will be 2.0.1.514:04
coderusJope: i am. latest available is still 2.0.0.1014:05
Jopeok14:05
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chem|stJope: is that a DOS challenge now?14:09
chem|stggabriel: source?14:10
pp_-rw-rw-r--. 1 pp pp 740 Nov 16 08:42 isitoutyet.py14:10
pp_answer: no14:11
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ggabrielchem|st: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.de/2015/12/news-update-debts-on-hold-at-jolla.html#more14:11
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Bono_NLwould't it be a idea to do a igg campaign to port SailfishOS officially to the Fairphone 2 and so on?19:05
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Bono_NLwith stretch goals for longer support.19:06
Bono_NLAlien Dalvik support19:06
Stskeepsprobably best to prod fairphone about that19:06
Bono_NLprod?19:07
Stskeepspoke19:08
Bono_NLaah19:09
Bono_NLI will think about it.19:09
Bono_NLconsider19:09
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toxipset up a telegram irc relay bot for jolla fanclub telegram group and #jollafanclub channel22:29
toxipjoin #jollafanclub if you want to participate in jolla fanclub telegram conversation :)22:30
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tiwaketoxip: what is that?22:56
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phlixilike bitlebee i guess22:57
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tiwaketoxip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegraphy22:59
tiwakeusing the jolla phone as a HAM radio controller?22:59
tiwaketo transmit morse code22:59
tiwakeor something22:59
phlixihehe22:59
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toxiphahaha :D not that telegram23:01
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toxiphow do you set up the channel so that there are no ops?23:03
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tiwaketoxip: the word telegram was first used in the early 1800's, I fail to see how its related to a cellphone operating system23:03
phlixilast op left?23:03
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toxiptiwake: it was again used in 2013 as the name of a mobile messaging app.23:06
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toxipphlixi: but how to set it up so that people can't op themselves?23:07
toxipI'm an IRC noob23:07
phlixiusually, if you enter an empty channel, you get op23:07
toxipyeah, I know that23:07
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phlixiuntil it is empty again, no one gets op, unless an op gives it23:07
phlixithus if the last op left, no one gets op until channel is empty23:08
phlixithats the "pure" irc, then i stopped caring about irc around 15 years ago23:08
phlixinowadays you get chanserv and stuff23:08
tiwakemaybe he means if you register a channel, it does not automatically OP the channel owner23:09
toxipis that so? I'm more used to quakenet and ircnet with bots and whatnot...23:09
phlixiyou can /msg chanserv help23:09
phlixi(i assume)23:09
phlixiiirc q is like chanserv23:09
phlixibut i left qnet long ago23:10
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