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BergkatzeGood morning.06:42
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dr_gogeta86https://twitter.com/dr_gogeta86/status/67741714637751091209:17
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Lipevakala_Meh, f***ed up all my alarmsounds. Does settig sounds override what is set at ambinces? And for somereason Whatsapp doubles messagetone...10:28
Lipevakala_fun..10:29
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ggabrielon an unrelated topic, it's such a pleasure to see how well dovecot with imap push works with sfos10:53
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stephgggabriel: cool10:59
stephgbeen meaning to upgrade my cyrus for a very long time but basically CBA10:59
ggabrieli don't think i use cyrus any more which is cool :P sendmail needs that, doesn't it?11:03
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stephgwell I was talking about the imapd rather than the rest of the crap11:30
ggabrieloh, never used that11:30
ggabrieldovecot works too well to change it11:30
stephgbut yeah they have various other daemons that do ipc and auth and stuff11:36
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coderusanyone using cutespot?12:02
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Tomohttps://www.reddit.com/r/Jolla/comments/3x2s7e/jolla_tablets_supposedly_being_sold_in_chinese/ rip :(12:06
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TofeTomo: come to the next community meeting, and ask about it ;)12:11
* pavi wants to remind everyone that #mer-meeting starts in 2 hours 19 minutes12:11
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Nicd-agenda?12:13
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ggabrielit's in the email12:14
ggabriel[the agenda]12:14
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Nicd-I'm not in any mailing lists12:14
Scelturl plz?12:14
ggabrielcheck here then https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/12:14
ggabrielor search mailarchive or something12:15
paviYeah it should be in the thread12:15
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paviNicd-: you dont need to be in a mailing list to check the agenda https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-December/006817.html12:16
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Nicd-pavi: but I don't even know which mailing list :P12:16
pavi^ click the above link :P12:16
Nicd-I did not have that link before12:17
paviBy the way todays meeting is special. We will have some real higher up coming to speak.12:17
Nicd-and I will forget before next time ;)12:17
ggabrielpavi: good time to lurk ;)12:17
Nicd-pavi: ha, so this taobao tablet sale should be fun12:17
Nicd-to discuss :P12:17
stephgpavi: don't hold your breath...12:18
tbrtheir statement so far was "we're looking into it"12:18
* tbr doesn't expect that to change12:18
tbrbut yes, I also stipulated this to be mentioned during the meeting12:18
pavistephg: This time it will be Antti himself coming to IRC meet so I expect a different answer and its high time12:19
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stephgpavi again I say don't hold your breath :)12:21
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TofeIs there a special dress code?12:24
TomoTofe: nah, i haven't ordered the tablet so i'm just spreading FUD :P12:25
paviTofe: just follow channel rules and netiquette :P12:26
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coderus!seen lukedirtwalker13:02
merbotcoderus: lukedirtwalker was last seen in #jollamobile 3 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <lukedirtwalker> oh nevermind found it :P13:02
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Tofedon't worry, luke will be back tomorrow13:05
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coderusanyone using cutespot? i want mny different screenshots of it, please :)13:11
coderusi dont have premium account, so i cant use it myself :)13:11
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Antoninohey guys14:02
Antoninowhere they will do the meeting?14:02
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M4rtinKAntonino, join #mer-meeting14:03
Antoninothanks :)14:04
M4rtinKoverall meeting agenda & info: https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/14:04
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Antoninohow does it work? ivmean how can chat etc14:08
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Antoninowho*14:11
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* pavi reminds everyone that #mer-meeting starts in 15 minutes14:14
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paviAntti has joined #mer-meeting just now14:33
Davemannews news news!14:33
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Nicd-2015-12-17T16:40:01+0200 <+AnttiSaarnio> We have received financing to continue Sailfish OS development from our investors. THIS means that reports about Jolla's death are greatly exaggerated :)14:42
kjetilhow00p w00p14:42
tadzikyay!14:43
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sharixNicd-: Way kewl, very glad to see SfOS has a chance of having a future :-) w00p w00p14:44
Nicd-more information will come tomorrow14:44
Nicd-in a blog post14:44
coderusIT'S ALIVE!14:46
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Nicd-2015-12-17T16:48:01+0200 <+AnttiSaarnio> Intex project will continue, we have confirmed that yesterday and there will be new Sailfish phone coming.14:48
Yaniel\o/ new phone14:49
Nicd-tablet situation is still open14:50
Nicd-also, about taobao:14:50
Nicd-2015-12-17T16:49:21+0200 <+AnttiSaarnio> yes, nothing to do with Jolla, but it seems that our production partner from China started selling some tables which were already produced and in their stock. We are discussing with them that they would stop sales immeadiately14:50
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TofeNice partners they have there :p14:53
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Accewell, apparently in china they only listen to money, or not even that14:55
Bono_NLCoderus14:55
tortoisedocAcce : only in china?14:55
Bono_NLI use CuteSpotify14:55
Accetortoisedoc: nope, but they have fame for it14:56
Bono_NLcoderus: coderus I use CuteSpotify14:57
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tortoisedocCutespotify +114:57
Bono_NLcoderus: Are you gonna fix the reconnect issue :p14:58
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coderusBono_NL: no, i only need screenshots of it14:59
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Antoninoif i want to ask something in the meeting?14:59
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Bono_NLcoderus: How can I send them to you?15:01
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Antoninouse imgur.com and send it in pvt to him15:03
Bono_NLwhich one do you need?15:04
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Bono_NLhmmm need to register, hate that.15:04
coderusupload to imgur gallery, or dropbox folder, or zip and share, any way. i need screenshots of every page if possible :D15:05
Bono_NLis there a other way?15:05
Antoninobono  no need o regge stration on imgur :)15:05
Bono_NLok15:07
Bono_NLthanks15:07
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Antoninoi can't fkin write on touch screens haha15:09
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Davemanit seems Jolla won't produce more devices15:10
Daveman(tablet if they decide to carry on with it)15:10
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Bono_NLHttp://imgur.com/a/wXzuE15:17
Bono_NLcoderus: Http://imgur.com/a/wXzuE15:17
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coderusBono_NL: thanks. is there page with my playlists, my songs, my artists etc?15:19
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Bono_NLmy playlists15:19
Bono_NLthats all15:19
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Bono_NLyou can Search for songs and albums15:20
coderusyes, i meany things saved in your profile15:20
Bono_NLonly playlists15:20
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coderusokay, strange15:21
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* plfiorini is so happy for the renewed financing16:19
eugenioyay :)16:20
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plfiorini\o/16:20
sjtoikwhat what? really?16:22
sjtoikcool16:22
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tiwakeplfiorini: linky?16:28
plfiorinitiwake: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-12-17-14.30.html16:28
tiwakeoh, this was IRC... when was it16:29
plfiorinitoday16:29
tiwakeI have to go to work soon, so basically tl;dr16:29
tiwakelol16:29
plfioriniblog post expected tomorrow16:29
plfiorinitiwake: Jolla has received financing to continue the development of Sailfish OS. More info on the news will be shared in blog post tomorrow. Merry Christmas :)16:30
tiwakealright, I'll just wait for the blog post16:30
tiwakemoney from who?16:30
tiwake:P16:30
plfiorinisomeone with money16:32
tiwakehttp://fortune.com/2015/12/04/amazon-trucks/?XID=MozillaFortune_RetailShopping_AmazonTrucks16:33
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HtheB[17:32] <plfiorini> someone with money < no shit sherlokc16:36
HtheBwho was this genorous person?16:36
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laxtloSanta claus16:41
laxtloHes from finland anyway ;)16:41
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kimmolirare exports16:41
laxtloHou hou hou !!16:41
laxtlo:)16:41
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plfiorinido you know how many tablet units were sold via both IGG and pre-order?16:54
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HtheBplfiorini yes from IGG17:04
HtheBplfiorini: here is the IGG backer list: https://www.dropbox.com/s/e0hz00dzrmqgj2x/backers.txt17:07
HtheB9871 pre-orders on igg17:07
plfioriniprivacy ftw17:08
plfiorini:P17:08
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HtheB:D17:09
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plfiorinihope that jolla will have all those tablets built instead of doing refunds, fingers crossed17:11
Stskeepsi would have been tempted by a nexus 5 class device in tablet form w/ alien dalvik, personally17:12
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Stskeeps(as sw matters more to me than what the logo says on the side..)17:12
plfiorinii'm more tempted by an intel device17:13
plfiorinieasier for hacking17:13
HtheBplfiorini: seems like you are backer number 845117:15
plfioriniHtheB: yep17:15
HtheBwith an amount of 269$ :P17:15
HtheBhaha17:15
plfioriniwanna know more about me?17:15
HtheBlike you said, privacy ftw17:15
HtheBoh yes please!17:15
plfioriniask google or facebook :D17:15
HtheBI would love to know EVERYTHING about you17:15
HtheBO_O17:15
plfiorinithey are probably selling my data17:15
plfiorinis/probably//17:16
HtheBim wondering who made this documents17:16
HtheBdocument*17:16
HtheBand how they get this information17:16
eugenioscript + this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#/funders17:17
plfioriniamount null?17:17
cybetteyeah it's available on IGG. you can set your profile to anonymous but otherwise your name and contribution amount is visible to all17:18
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HtheBhi cybette17:18
cybettehey HtheB :)17:19
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HtheBbacker number 193 :P17:19
plfiorinii'm not a number, i'm a free man17:19
cybetteHtheB: yeah i was busy with updating jolla SoMe when the campaign started so couldn't place my contribution immediately17:19
plfiorinia cookie if you know where this comes from17:19
HtheBthe prisinor17:20
HtheBprisoner17:20
HtheBgimme my cookie, now!17:20
* plfiorini sends a cookie to HtheB17:20
HtheBis it suitable for vegeterians?17:21
phlixi_oHtheB: thats nice, and what backer am I?17:22
phlixi_oor maybe i should ask plfiorini17:24
phlixi_o..because ultimativley i wanted to blame the "privacy ftw" statement17:24
phlixi_obecause, to be fare, when you backed, you didnt checked "anonymus" so now you should not be surprised there is a list of the backers17:25
phlixi_o...to be fair...17:25
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HtheBis it suitable for vegeterians?17:26
HtheBoops17:26
rigoStskeeps: not true, the logo on the side is a matter of trust17:26
HtheB:D *17:26
Stskeepsrigo: well, ok, you're right17:26
pdanekStskeeps: In the light of recent good from Jolla, will you continue working for them from a position of external contractor?17:26
pdanekgood news*17:26
Stskeepspdanek: let's see; i never said i wouldn't do work for jolla, if there's work to be had.17:27
Stskeepsbut not as an employee17:27
HtheBfreelance17:27
phlixi_opdanek: there are good news?17:27
pdanekStskeeps: You was the chief engineer though, right? Isn't that problematic now for Jolla to fill the gap?17:27
rigoStskeeps, hardware can phone home too :)17:27
Stskeepspdanek: we don't have "the"17:27
phlixi_oi asume in such smal company the titel isnt that important17:28
rigohey, this is startup world. If they get finances again, it will take off again17:28
Stskeepspdanek: there's multiple chief engineers and i was CTO, R&D, a shared position, in the end of my working life17:28
pdanekStskeeps: right!17:28
Stskeepsrigo: well, we actually got financing again17:28
Stskeepswas declared(?) in the community meeting again17:28
rigoonly trouble is that the Stskeeps of this world will have found 50 other jobs or work for Google :)17:28
Stskeepswe, as in jolla17:28
phlixi_oStskeeps: who is "we"?17:28
phlixi_o:D17:28
Stskeepsi should stop saying we, old habit..17:29
Stskeeps:P17:29
rigo\o/17:29
phlixi_oso, you are working for jolla again starli-?17:29
phlixi_oargs, sorry starli-17:29
cybetteyeah I have to keep reminding myself to write "Jolla" in community meetings too :)17:29
phlixi_oso, you are working for jolla again Stskeeps17:29
phlixi_o=?17:29
Stskeepsphlixi_o: no, my own master17:29
rigoStskeeps, I think if you need a job, drop me an email. I doubt you manage to be unemployed for more than 3 weeks17:29
phlixi_oso, jolla got fresh money?17:30
dirkvlStskeeps: they always need people here to clean up if you are really tight :p17:30
Stskeepsrigo: will do; though let's see how contracts go - current aim is enough hours of work to be sustainable enough to develop my crazy ideas on the side17:30
rigook, so you take contracts now? If yes, I may direct people to you17:30
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Stskeepsrigo: yeah, i was a contractor in my previous life, still have a company17:31
rigook :))17:31
* rigo is part-time contractor too17:31
Stskeepsphlixi_o: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-12-17-14.30.log.html17:33
phlixi_othanks Stskeeps (i coudnt lurk today...)17:34
rigoBTW, instead of making a browser, they should cooperate with vivaldi.com ...17:34
phlixi_ostill work work :/17:34
Stskeepsmeanwhile, linkedin gets hacked: http://www.pcworld.com/article/257045/6_5m_linkedin_passwords_posted_online_after_apparent_hack.html17:35
phlixi_othose logs of the meetings always missing viewport; makes it unreadable on the jolla (phone) :/17:35
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Stskeepsrigo: anyway, just to be specific, feel free to fwd people to me, i'm carsten.munk@gmail.com but really need to move off gmail17:37
rigoarsten or carsten?17:37
Stskeepscarsten17:37
rigoah, got it... I will commit a crime layed down in the new data protection regulation and enter you in my address book17:38
Stskeepshehe17:38
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* rigo is rigo@w3.org just in case, but it's all over the web anyway17:39
Stskeepsyeah, that one i knew :P17:40
phlixi_oStskeeps: you might want to check https://mailbox.org/en/17:40
Stskeepsphlixi_o: well, i have my own hosting but people stare at me blankly if i use my oldest domain17:40
Stskeeps:P17:40
Stskeepsnamed after one of the older irc protocol parts17:41
phlixi_oof course i expected that you would use your own domain... mailbox.org now supports mx :)17:41
phlixi_ofor people without own domain i suggest https://posteo.de/en17:42
phlixi_o...unfortunately they do not support own domains, but if you can live with example@posteo... then thats (imho) the best mail provider17:43
rigoOh my: compromised accounts will receive an email from LinkedIn with instructions on how to reset their passwords.17:43
rigonow if that isn't a call for phishing17:44
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phlixi_olinkidink,17:45
phlixi_obullshit as usual17:46
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phlixi_osorry for the explicit wording17:46
Nicd-don't say sorry if you aren't sorry :P17:46
phlixi_oi am not sure, but i might actually be a littlebit sorry :D17:47
phlixi_ois linkedin good for ANYthing except for spammy headhunters?17:47
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kimmolifollow where people re-employ after jolla?17:53
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pdanekI'm fish.17:57
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sharixphlixi_: Could help out with imap (and custerm domain), if posteo isn't close enough to the technicans ;-)17:58
phlixi_osharix: hm?17:59
sharixphlixi_: You mentioned poste doesn't support customers own domains for their mailbox service18:00
* sharix does ;-)18:00
Stskeepskimmoli: tld;r yeah18:00
phlixi_osharix; probably a misunderstanding, Stskeeps said he has to drop gmail, and i suggested to check out mailbox.org/en (as i expect him to have his own domains) and added, that i suggest posteo for people who are fine with bla@posteo... (i myself host on my own, even without mailbox.org which i think are the best email service)18:01
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phlixi_oon a side note i like to pay for service :D that makes me more confident, that i am actally the customer, not the product :-)18:03
sharixphlixi_: I also host my own, and those of firends. Also for friends with own domains. So if somebody doesn't have own colo, I could help out. Sorry, was too unclear. jolla-hackers defenetly could become friends ;-)18:04
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pdanekStskeeps: Do you plan to actively keep working on Mer?18:07
Stskeepspdanek: let's see18:07
kimmoliabout emails, it is shame that vituttaa.net is down.. i had ei.voi@vituttaa.net for "customer complaints"18:10
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raa700minua.niin@vituttaa.net18:13
raa700used to be mine18:14
kimmolithis internet pearl is still up http://korsoraattori.evvk.com/18:15
kimmoli!say kimmoli stay on topic18:16
merbotkimmoli: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).18:16
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kimmolieh18:16
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pp_omg, linkedin hack, I could be compromised! And my hotmail account!18:42
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ninnnupp_: ?18:44
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pdanekNew flagship from Micromax Yu Yutopia was released.19:22
pdanekIntex should catch up.19:22
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sledgesggabriel (and anyone else close to London): hi! wanna join sailfish meetup this Sunday noon?19:25
pp_6,5mil linkedin passwords lost, I sometimes reuse :-P19:29
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Nicd-pp_: any link?19:31
pdanekI need Intex phone now.19:34
pdanekAny chance of Intex Sailfish phone having 3GB memory?19:34
pdanek2GB might be still not enough for my usage.19:34
pdanekI see too many Android background apps.19:35
pdanekuse*19:35
pdanekNicd-: that's the case from 2012, 6.5mil. lost19:36
Nicd-oh19:36
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cybettesledges: if you tweet/G+ about the meetup i can RT19:37
sledgescybette: https://twitter.com/sledgeSim/status/67757503398483558419:44
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pdanekAlienDalvik is licensed per device.19:47
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pdanekDoes it mean that Jolla pays money for each license to Google?19:47
pdanekIr it's licensed to Jolla only, as a proprietary software?19:47
pdanekSo Jolla wants money from it.19:47
Stskeepswhy?19:48
Stskeepswhy to google?19:48
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pdanekStskeeps: no idea19:50
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pdanekso it's just a case of Jolla wanting money for their software19:50
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r0kk3rzpdanek: not google, myriad19:51
pp_Nicd-: this was posted earlier here, http://www.pcworld.com/article/257045/6_5m_linkedin_passwords_posted_online_after_apparent_hack.html19:51
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pdanekr0kk3rz: ohhhhh19:52
pdanekI thought Alien Dalvik is purely product of Jolla company19:52
pdanekI was wrong then19:53
pdanekso it's not done by Jolla develovers at all? Only integration of it is?19:53
r0kk3rzmore or less19:54
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pdanekr0kk3rz: and is Jolla looking at options of having their own Android support? to not have to pay 3rd party?19:55
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pdanekr0kk3rz: + if Alien Dalvik is so great, why Tizen, BB10 and Windows didn't go with it?19:56
MikaelaMaybe they didn't have issues with count of apps or didn't want to pay19:57
r0kk3rzpdanek: thats a good question19:57
pdanekr0kk3rz: the 1st one or 2nd?19:58
r0kk3rzpdanek: both19:59
pdanekMikaela: They have to pay for development of their own Android support, which I assume can be even more costly.19:59
MikaelaWhat if they just don't need android support?20:00
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pdanekMikaela: Well they all develop it, so they do.20:03
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r0kk3rz'they all' is currently BB, and thats it20:06
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pdanekr0kk3rz: no? Tizen runs Andoid apps and Windows guys are actively working on that, should be in Windows 10 Mobile soon20:07
Stskeepstizen runs android apps terribly20:07
Stskeeps:P20:07
Stskeepswindows guys ditched it, afaik20:07
pdanekStskeeps: they did, and after revived the project again20:10
tbrdidn't wintendo need them recompiled anyway?20:10
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jonwilno, the plan for Windows was that iOS apps would be recompiled with a fork of clang and some new libs20:16
jonwilbut for Android they planned some sort of emulator20:16
r0kk3rzoh tizen do android now? thats news to me20:16
pdanekjonwil: yes, 2 different projects which they had simultaneously20:17
pdanekI think they are trying to keep the Android one alive now20:17
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coderusafaik there is no AOW on latest builds20:17
pdanekcoderus: latest builds of Tizen20:18
pdanek?20:18
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* jonwil is surprised we haven't seen an effort to use AOSP/Davlik VM as the base for a FOSS setup to run Android apps on vanilla Linux...20:21
jonwilif I knew the first thing about Android I might consider trying to make something to run Android apps on a Nokia N900...20:21
r0kk3rzjonwil: isnt that what shashlik is?20:22
r0kk3rzor however you spell it20:22
jonwilhmmm, didn't know such a thing existed20:22
coderuspdanek: nono, i'm talking about W10M20:24
coderusAOW is Android-On-Windows20:24
jonwilYeah Windows dropped the idea of supporting Android apps because their emulator/VM was too slow20:24
jonwiland because pretty much any Android app worth having will have an iOS port anyway20:24
jonwilthat the developer can recompile with the clang fork and stuff and put in the Windows store20:25
pdanekr0kk3rz: shashlik is primarily for KDE desktop at the moment, with distant plans of having it working for mobile20:27
pdanekafaik20:27
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r0kk3rzsure, but once you have a full thing, you can integrate it elsewhere20:28
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pdanekDo you guys think that Jolla is losing the gap ahead of Ubuntu touch, or it remains strong leader? Technology wise.21:51
pdanekI meant Sailfish, not Jolla.21:51
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TemeVI guess it is pretty much matter of opinion who is ahead an by how much21:56
TemeVBut I wouldn't see Sailfish and Ubuntu have to compete each other. I'd rather see them cooperate more21:57
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pdanek!seen TMavica23:42
merbotpdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 2 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 24 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <TMavica> Will Jolla HK office move too?23:42
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