#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2015-12-22

noumei know there'S no easy solution00:00
sobukusI never heard of an UID-agnostic ext2.00:03
sobukuschmod 1777 /mount/point seems as close as you can get00:03
sobukusHm, perhaps even drop the 100:03
phlixi_if your regular usecase is swapping the card between your phone and your laptop, isnt it more convinient to do that via network anyways?00:04
noumemore convenient? yes, of course. Fast? Not quite so...00:04
phlixi_did you calculated that?00:04
noumeNot only that, i already tested it...00:05
sobukusIt's not that regular. I just want to be able to do it. I got a SD card slot in my laptop. Phone might be out of juice or broken. Don't want to fiddle with network settings.00:05
phlixi_dont forget you do not have to actually swap the card, that is a lot if you are doing only a few files00:05
noumeSCP is about 10MByte/s, fiddling the card into the laptop: 40MByte/s00:05
noumeand USB CDC is actually alot slower than wifi...00:06
* sobukus is kindof old-school, remembering exchanging data via floppy disks00:06
phlixi_i can imagine a lot of situations where 10mmb/s without fiddling is faster - and other situations where it doesnt matter00:06
noumeI was using a Samsung high performance card in case you're wondering00:06
sobukusI find it odd to have the devices yell the data into the air when I can exchange storage media.00:06
sobukusnoume: The card I'm writing right now supposedly is also faster than the USB2 card reader I have …00:07
phlixi_never tried with cable on the jolla, but on the n9/00 it was a lot faster via usb00:07
noumephlixi_: Sure but not so if the card is new and you want your whole music collection on it. But that's more of a one time job, after that i did everything via wifi00:07
sobukusFor frequent little updates, rsync for sure is more fun.00:08
noumesobukus: my SD/TF-reader is PCIe. USB2 is still somwhere around 20-30MByte/s00:08
phlixi_yeah, one time job... and if it takes 30 minutes, its probably the same if it takes 90 minutes, because, well, it takes so long, you wont sit there and wait anyway00:08
noumesobukus: rsync is very slow compared to scp. if you were to overwrite less than 3/4 of the files in question, scp is faster00:09
noumersync clocks in at about 2-3MByte/s while SCP is around 10-1200:10
noumeso overwriting is faster than syncing00:10
noumehaven't ound out yet ehy it is that way, it does not make sense to me00:10
noumesystem load does not appear to be an issue here00:11
noumephlixi_: Good point. 30GB at 40MByte/s are just a few minutes, so watching a short video on YT and you're done00:12
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phlixi_can you hotswap the cards?00:14
phlixi_because otherwise fiddling is like another 10 minutes...00:15
phlixi_:D00:15
noumeOn the laptop i can, the JOlla has to shut down or unmount.00:15
noumeif i can save any more than maybe five minutes, fiddling is faster00:16
phlixi_so, you have to add 5 minutes fiddling to the 15 minutes for copy00:16
phlixi_otherwise you would just fireup your command to copy the file and forget it00:16
phlixi_no need to boot the phone00:16
noumeIf the copying is more than five minutes faster, fiddling is a winner00:16
phlixi_no need to think about apps that just lost their storage etc etc00:17
phlixi_i am not convinced...00:18
noumedoes not matter, apps don't store things on SD card00:18
phlixi_my apps do00:18
phlixi_^^00:18
noumeand you can ssh into the phone and simply unmount it00:18
noumeno need to shut down00:18
noumei'd need to test that00:18
noumebut i don't bother. To me, copying large amounts of data is mostly a one time thing. Like after buying a new card. If the card is new, there is actually no fiddling as it's completely irrelevant where you put the card first00:19
phlixi_since the slow part is read/write on the card while in the phone, you might consider not putting the data in the phone in the first place :D00:19
phlixi_then it is even more irelevant00:20
noumei don't have a large data plan and there are quite a lot of "no service" areas, where i'd like to have access to my music and other stuff00:21
noumeif that were not the case, i'D not need a card in my phone :)00:22
noumeIf you had good coverage and cheap data plans, you would not use SD cards and save the hassle of swapping or transferring over anything00:24
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mtdugh -- did 'ssu ur && pkcon refresh && version --dup' and now my jolla phone doesn't get past the "jolla" logo screen :(05:02
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mtdanyone know what 1.1.9.28 runs at boot?  My jolla is stuck in a boot loop06:10
mtdgot a shell in recovery mode06:10
mtd/dev/mmcblk0p28 mounts fine06:10
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mtdnot sure what's causing it to not complete booting06:11
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Stskeepsfactory reset it, you probably broke it with the manual update.06:14
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mtdStskeeps: True. Was hoping to preseve /home.06:21
Stskeepsyou can get that with mount -o subvolid=0 of mmcblk0p28 and backing it up to a sd card06:22
Stskeepsin /mnt/@home06:22
mtdStskeeps: thx06:23
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zett_zelettI’m trying to get USB tethering to work. I have done this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1391586&postcount=804. But I still get no connection on my laptop.09:12
zett_zelettifconfig lists usb0 as a known interface, http://pastebin.com/dfr2CWbf. But I can’t ping anything.09:14
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fennekkihumm09:16
fennekkido you have an IP on the interface?09:16
zett_zelettI also have done this for tethering in the other direction https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking.09:18
zett_zelettWhat do you mean by having an IP on the interface?09:18
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fennekkiwhen you run ifconfig usb009:22
fennekkidoes it show an inet address09:23
fennekkiif it doesn't, that interface doesn't have an associated IP address and you need to get one either manually or via DHCP09:23
zett_zelettIt has one! (See the paste above: http://pastebin.com/dfr2CWbf.)09:24
fennekkioh09:24
fennekkiI didn't see that link09:24
zett_zelettThese are also the (maybe) relevant lines of my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/9mfLtgG6 The IP ending in “.13” is the one from my Jolla when USB-connected.09:25
coderuszett_zelett: the only thing you need is: pkcon install usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config09:26
coderusand you will have internet sharing in usb conenction options09:26
zett_zelettOk, can I have internet sharing and developer mode at the same time?09:27
coderusyes09:27
coderuswhen sharing internet ssh is running as well09:27
zett_zelettAh, ok. Neat.09:27
coderusyour pc is linux one?09:27
fennekkizett_zelett: your linux-side config looks oddly complicated09:28
fennekkiI just tested it and just running dhcpcd <usb-interface-name> gives me a working connection09:29
fennekkiin fact, I'm typing through ethernet-via-USB right now09:29
fennekki:V09:29
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zett_zelettYes, I have a Debian system.09:30
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coderuszett_zelett: should be no problems then09:41
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coderusjust set gateway at pc side and you're done09:41
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zett_zelettHm, neither setting up 192.168.2.14 (interface IP) nor .13 (jolla IP) as default gateway works.10:04
zett_zelettDo I need to do anything other than http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1391586&postcount=804 on Jolla side?10:04
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fennekkiisn't USB tethering installed by default in recent updates? I can't remember manually installing the package10:15
fennekkiafter doing that, setting up usb0 (or, in my case, enp0s29f7u1) with dhcp worked perfectly10:16
fennekkino manual configuration required10:16
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zett_zelettAnd how do you connect? dhcpcd usb0, that’s it?10:19
zett_zelettDo you have a “internet sharing” option when connecting your Jolla via USB to your computer?10:19
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zett_zelettOk.10:24
zett_zelettStill doesn’t work. I don’t know what the heck I’m doing.10:24
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fennekkiI have an internet sharing option, yes10:28
fennekkiand after that just dhcpcd <whatever> as root works10:28
fennekkiof course, this can be automated by setting the network interface to dhcp in the config files10:29
fennekkibut I run Gentoo and love to suffer10:30
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zett_zelettcoderus: Can’t seem to get it working. And  pkcon install usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config gives “Fatal error: File '…' not found on medium 'https://releases.jolla.com/releases/2.0.0.10/jolla/armv7hl/'” …10:42
kimmolipkcon refresh10:44
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zett_zelettActually, I now have installed ‘usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config’ and I still have no internet-sharing option. Do I need to reboot my Jolla?11:53
zett_zelett(And thanks, kimmoli.)11:53
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zett_zelettNeed to reboot it, ok.12:00
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coderusor restart connman and lipstick :)12:03
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zett_zelettSorry for the double messages, because I try out a lot of stuff I sometimes have no internet connection and sometimes I’m unsure if they got through, so I resend them.12:24
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zett_zelettOk, apparently none of the “double” messages were actually double: This is what I sent some minutes ago “But it still doesn’t work. Maaan http://pastebin.com/rYvzdqB0”.12:33
zett_zelett(http://pastebin.com/rYvzdqB0 actually)12:33
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zett_zelett((http://pastebin.com/wsF3cs3B all the info.))12:37
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tore_is it possible to disable the RIL Dual -> IPv4+IPv6 APN protocol fallback functionality? so that if you attempt to use Dual (IPV4V6) on an APN that only supports IPv4 and/or IPv6 bearers (IP/IPV6), you get an actual failure?13:36
tore_tigeli: ^ suspect this is something you might know the answer to :)13:36
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tigelitore_: the issue is that the error's which are provided by the RIL are not always very clear why there is an error/problem.. but yeah, I guess it could worked out so that first try dual and if it fails then try ip13:58
tigelitore_: though.. sfos does not have fallback functionality13:59
tigelitore_: where are you seeing such thing?13:59
Mikaelain the 3GPP spec, I guess14:01
Mikaelaor RFC or whatever, I know it exists in some spec.14:01
tigeliMikaela: well.. it states that there should be such thing14:02
tore_tigeli: the RIL does it14:02
Mikaelaand it's natural to assume that if it says there should be such thing, it would be in SFOS14:03
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tigelitore_: strange.. because I've seen that when I try dual on mobile carrier which does not support it -> connection error14:03
tore_I wondered if it is possible to disable it, to truly see if IPV4V6 is truly supported14:03
tigelitore_: I wonder if it's the mobile carrier doing the fallback ;)14:04
tore_tigeli: I doubt it, since the RIL does log stuff about a failure ticking in (e.g., when the single-stack IPV6 PDP failing) even though the overall IPV4V6 attempt is apparently successful (yet yielding only IPv4 addressing)14:05
tigelitore_: I've seen operators which do IPv4v6 but only provide IPv4 (as TeliaSonera does)14:06
tigelitore_: and I've seen operators which reject IPv4v6 completely14:06
tigeli(elisa/saunalahti before they started supporting it)14:07
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tore_tigeli: sure what you're seeing with TS isn't precicely the fallback I'm describing?14:13
tore_e.g., on a telenor APN which I know for a fact only supports IPv6:14:13
tore_[nemo@Jolla ~]$ rildebug  | egrep 'qcril_data_get_ril_ce_code| SETUP_DATA_CALL'14:13
tore_12-22 14:12:38.610 I/RIL     (  620): [qcril_data_utils.c 594] [event] qcril_data_get_ril_ce_code: unsupported CallManager call end reason rcvd [2000]14:13
tore_12-22 14:12:38.770 D/RILC    (  620): [5693]> SETUP_DATA_CALL (11,0,telenor,,,3,IPV4V6)14:14
tore_12-22 14:12:38.820 E/RIL     (  620): [qcril_data_netctrl.c 3064] [main] qcril_data_set_nai: Ignoring NAI for SETUP_DATA_CALL14:14
tore_12-22 14:12:38.971 D/RILC    (  620): [5693]< SETUP_DATA_CALL {[status=0,retry=-1,cid=0,up,IPV4V6,rmnet0,109.179.12.81/8,193.213.112.4 130.67.15.198,109.179.12.82]}14:14
tore_12-22 14:12:38.971 I/RIL     (  620): [qcril_data_utils.c 582] [event] qcril_data_get_ril_ce_code: unsupported Internal call end reason rcvd [210]14:14
tore_12-22 14:12:43.190 I/RIL     (  620): [qcril_data_utils.c 582] [event] qcril_data_get_ril_ce_code: unsupported Internal call end reason rcvd [204]14:14
Wnty u paste so much stuff? :(14:14
tigelitore_: well, that show that the protocol is IPv4v614:16
tore_tigeli:those "unsupported Internal call end reason" lines is the best indication I've found that the Dual->Singlestack fallback happened inside the RIL (what they probably indicate is that a parallel single-stack IPv6 connection attempt was rejected)14:16
tigelicould be14:16
tore_tigeli: not towards the network, the APN does not support it. the RIL "splits" the IPV4V6 attempt14:16
tore_if OTOH I use IPV4V6 to an APN that does support IPV4V6, I do not get these 'Internal call end reason' lines14:17
tigelitore_: could be :)14:17
tore_tigeli: I'm 100% certain that is the case14:17
tore_but, what I want to differentiate between is a connection where IPV4V6 truly worked because it is supported by the network, and one where it only *ostensibly* worked because the network only supported IP + IPV6 (and allowes for parallel bearers), but does *NOT* support IPV4V614:19
tigelitore_: I guess we would have to ask from QC to be 100% sure14:20
tore_one way to do it would be to disable the "IPV4V6 splitting" fallback feature in the RIL directly. which clearly would be a bad default for regular users, but useful for debugging14:21
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citylight2did I miss the good news? back in business?15:14
Stskeepsback in business.15:14
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citylight2hmm yet I can not order a tablet on the site15:23
citylight2or a battery15:23
Yanielthey still don't know what'll come of the tablets15:23
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narchi4back in business15:57
narchi4but not in business of tablets15:57
narchi4that's great!15:57
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narchi4really hyped for my $250 now15:57
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Yanielmaybe next they announce a new CEO: John Snow16:06
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ottulo_call me ignorant, but who is John Snow?16:25
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Yaniela character from game of thrones16:27
ggabrielottulo_: I believe you refer to Jon Snow16:27
ggabrieland it's what Yaniel says16:27
Yanielyes16:27
ottulo_I thought that might be it, but wanted to make sure16:27
Yanielhttps://www.fairphone.com/2015/12/10/fairphone-2-production-delivery-countdown/16:28
Yanielabout transparency16:28
ottulo_I've read/seen all of GoT so I do know the character16:28
YanielI haven't, so I don't even know the spelling as you can see...16:29
ggabrieluhm... what is that guy doing in the background while everybody else works? having a nice phone conversation?16:29
ggabrielwhat gives?16:29
ggabrielis this how seriously fairphone is taking their business?16:29
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ottulo_different colour coat/hat, prob a manager of some sort16:30
ggabrielalso, those 2 with the tweezers, no mask, no nothing16:30
ggabrielI don't want the phone that comes with that component16:30
ggabrielalso, why fill up the distribution center -before- sending to europe? why not -while- sending to europe?16:31
ggabrielsorry, I'm trolling a little bit :)16:31
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ggabrielthis is the problem with trnasparency ;)16:31
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ottulo_I used to work in production for Nokia, so it does seem a bit funny16:31
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ottulo_then again, we weren't wearing masks either, just gloves and ESD clothing/sandals16:31
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ottulo_and a hair net, I think, it's been too long16:32
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pdanekDO you guys have high expectations from Android 7?17:17
pdanekIt should finally bring split screen for tablets.17:18
ggabrielis there a 7 already? :P17:18
ggabrielI think I'm running 417:18
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pdanekAnd in general it should be more or less replacement for Chrome OS for laptops17:18
pdanekggabriel: no, planned for 201617:18
ggabrielso latest is 6 or 5?17:18
pdaneklatest is 6 from maybe 2 months ago?17:18
ggabrieloh, ok17:19
ggabrielI heard that sammy has had split screen for a while, but maybe it's their customisation only17:19
pdanekBtw, what about the Sailfish split screen, is it implemented already? Can it be enabled on Jolla?17:19
ggabrielyou'll have to ask tablet owners about that :)17:19
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pdanekggabriel: can't be just enabled on Jolla? some phones are nearly as big as tablets, that would be silly to restrict it for tablets17:20
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ggabrieltbh, I don't even know if it's finished. did you check the roadmap?17:20
pdanekroadmap seems to be stuck in the past, without any updates really17:21
pdaneknobody has updated it for months17:21
ggabriel:(17:21
pdanekand it ends by 2015, no roadmap for 2016 as well17:21
pdanekand Antti said in his talk that small companies like Jolla must be really fast to succeed :)17:22
pdanekhaving roadmap with latest update in August doesn't seem to be "fast" :D17:22
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pdanek2016 behind the door and no roadmap on horizon17:22
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phdeswerpdanek: or just no time to update paperwork and spending time to actually do things?17:32
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pdanekphdeswer: that's job for 1 hour, isn't it?17:33
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pdanekit is the only place where people can actually see what is planned in OS, what are people working on17:34
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r0kk3rzpdanek: given the circumstances, id expect 'nice to haves' like that are going to slip a bit17:38
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phlixi_there are a lot of jobs that take only one hour17:48
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pdanekHow is Sailfish browser developed? Is it now completely independent fork of Firefox, or it's being updated based on new Firefox/Gecko releases?18:25
pdanekWhat version of Gecko is it using?18:26
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phlixi_you might want to visit about:about18:42
phlixi_probably support18:42
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Raimpdanek: http://blog.idempotent.info/posts/whats-behind-sailfish-browser.html18:43
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pdanekthanks18:49
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pdanekOut of curiosity, why most of today's mobile browsers use Blink/Webkit?18:50
pdanekIs there any reason why not Gecko?18:50
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pdanekSailfish browser seems to be an exception, stranegly18:50
phlixi_webkit is apples fork of kdes browser, why should they use something else... firefox didnt exist back then18:50
phlixi_chrome used webkit as well.. and forked it, thats blink18:51
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phlixi_why should google not use its own browser18:51
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phlixi_and everybody else uses whatever... ms sticks with trident18:51
phlixi_and the rest probably at least half is firefox18:51
phlixi_or gecko18:51
M4rtinKalso I guess the WebKit/Blink core is maybe easier to embed ?18:52
phlixi_i am prett sure if that would be the case, sailfish stock browser would be webkit based18:53
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: thats what ive heard, apparently a lot of the work done on the sailfish browser was making embedable18:53
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r0kk3rz*gecko embedable18:54
M4rtinKwell, there is a long tradition in using a Firefox core for the default browser18:54
M4rtinKgoing back at least to MicroB18:54
phlixi_good point18:54
M4rtinKthe Harmattan browser also had a Firefox core18:54
M4rtinKalso, at least you have a single Gecko18:55
r0kk3rzthats what i remember from tworaz talking about it anyway18:55
M4rtinKwhile there is Webkit 1, 2, Blink, Qt WebEngine, etc.18:55
M4rtinKalso Webkit & co are usually a huge bundling mess18:55
M4rtinKcould be that Gecko is less so18:55
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r0kk3rzreasons might also be less technical, more political18:56
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pdanekphlixi_: I'm speaking about the countless number of small Android browsers, not big names like Opera, Explorer, Chrome, none of them is Gecko...19:05
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phlixi_i guess most of them are just webviews, and thereore more or less standard android.... thus blink19:06
r0kk3rzyeah its rather easy to slap a ui an a webview in android19:11
r0kk3rzbut it would be nice if quicksilver was developed into a usable app19:13
r0kk3rzwould give people a few options as far as browser engines is concerned19:13
pdanekhttp://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/179542-thumb/Intro-table.png - most of them are WebKit based19:13
pdanekI wonder why nobody makes new browsers with Gecko on Android, except Mozilla.19:13
phlixi_see above19:14
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phlixi_webview19:14
phlixi_same for ios19:14
phlixi_it wasnt even allowed to have different webviews than the default safari ones (webkit)... now you are allowed to bring your own renderer19:14
pdanekSo Firefox should release something similar, to allow developers to craft their own browser much quicker.19:15
pdanekBecause usage of Gecko rapidly decreases.19:15
pdanekAnd that will bring much incompatibilities of websites in the future.19:15
pdanekBecause at some point, not so many web developers will care about testing on Gecko anymore.19:15
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r0kk3rzmz doesnt care about gecko anymore though19:31
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r0kk3rzthey have their electrolysis project19:32
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pdanekr0kk3rz: and that's exactly the reason why I asked about development process for Sailfish browser19:33
pdanekI imagined that when Firefox will fully switch to e10s, will Sailfish browser too?19:34
phlixi_from a sailfish users point of view there is a much more important problem then webdevs not careing about firefox..19:34
phlixi_... a lot of pages rely on the usergent to decide if they "allow" you to get the mobile version19:35
phlixi_unfortunately sailfishs stock browser is often not reckognized19:35
phlixi_thus you get totally unusable pages instead of little things not looking as nice as in other browsers19:36
pdanektrue19:36
pdanekanyway19:37
pdanekJolla shouldn't take the browser development lightly.19:37
pdanekBrowser is nowadays core app of whole OS.19:37
pdanekAnd most of first time Sailfish OS users will judge the OS based on browser experience, be it UI or performance.19:38
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Venemo_jpdanek: e10s = ?19:38
phlixi_i am pretty sure for most people thats bnot true, their most important apps are facebook and whatsap (or similar in other regions)19:38
pdanekVenemo_j: e10s = Electrolysis19:38
Venemo_jwhich is?19:38
pdanekVenemo: Mozilla's effort to rewrite Firefox and Gecko engine to use multi-process architecture, but different from the one used in Chrome.19:40
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pdanekThey already have Alpha builds for both desktop and Android.19:41
pdanekIt should be slowly rolled for users without addons in following versions 46+.19:41
pdanekIt pretty much means death of current Firefoox plugins which aren't limited to Javascript, XUL will be removed in future.19:42
pdanekphlixi_: whatsapp / facebook isn't part of OS19:43
pdanekpeople will judge the app, not OS, right?19:43
pdanekSailfish browser = Sailfish OS, even the name says that19:43
pdanekso if the browser sucks, the OS sucks?19:44
phlixi_i wasnt talking about sailfish19:44
r0kk3rzpdanek: im not even sure most users make that distinction19:44
r0kk3rzmore brands, i have an iphone, my friend has a samsung19:45
pdanekI know many people who use Facebook in browser on Android, not having an app installed, you know what I mean?19:45
phlixi_i was talking about the majority... they do not recognize if they are browsing inside the qr reader webview19:45
pdanekand those are non-techies... they're just lazy to install facebook or whatever reason19:45
pdanekbrowser is preinstalled, so many people will use it for most of tasks19:45
kimmolifor majority, there is not even OS, it just a phone which does not work19:46
r0kk3rzpdanek: 40% of web traffic is now done through the facebook app webview19:46
phlixi_pdanek go on the bus, look what people are using, they are doing whatsapp, facebook youtube and some bubble games19:46
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phlixi_it is astonishing how much those blubble games are played19:54
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pdanekphlixi_: :D20:08
phlixi_you know, those where it is impossible to win until aou buy more turns, or powerups or whatever20:08
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pdanekphlixi_: large amount of games make you wait some time until you can play new level again, unless you buy20:18
pdanekand in most cases this can be easily tricked by simply changing time/date in your phone20:18
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pdanekwhen playing Trials Fusion on my phone, in order to maintime same time in my phone, I always moved 1 day ahead... I ended up 2 months ahead of actual date :D20:19
pdanekmaintain*20:19
phlixi_lol20:19
pdanekbut great game, I recommend... runs flawlessly on Jolla20:20
pdanekeven better one is called 99 Problems20:21
phlixi_i dont play on phones20:24
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pdanekphlixi_: What do you do during take off when flying?20:26
pdanekNo internet, nothing to do.20:26
pdanekCan't watch movie, use laptop.20:27
r0kk3rzremain idle? its only a few minutes20:27
phlixi_^^20:27
phlixi_look at one of those 40 tabs :D20:27
pdanekNah, I'm too hyperactive for that.20:27
phlixi_on jolla, look at one of those 2-3 tabs, other have to be reloaded20:28
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r0kk3rzpdanek: your mind doesnt have to be idle20:28
pdanekOr when taking a dump at work, the toilets often lose signal and just nothing to do, so I play game. :D20:28
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phlixi_same thing20:30
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phlixi_except, i often do tests on android / iphone, thus some times, maybe 2-3 times per year, i actually take the iphone and play such games20:30
phlixi_last onen i played was "SPL-T"20:31
r0kk3rzpdanek: this explains why you ask so many questions :D20:31
phlixi_hrhr20:32
phlixi_...beak 30k :D20:32
phlixi_...beat 30k :D20:32
pdanekr0kk3rz: I'm keeping the channel alive. :P20:33
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pdanekGuys21:25
pdanekThere is option to import contacts from sim card to phone21:26
pdanekHow to force copy contacts from phone to SIM card?21:26
pdanekPeople discussed creating backup file on together jolla21:28
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pdanekbut that's not feasible, phone must be able to copy to SIM.21:28
pdaneksimply because I don't have SD card to make a backup and I want to temporarily switch phone... so how to do that?21:29
Jopeso copy the vcard out21:29
Jopewhy use an sd card21:29
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pdanekjope: where is the vcard located?21:30
pdanekhow to export into vcard on Jolla?21:30
Jopeit's somewhere in /home/nemo/.vault if you made a backup with the phone's backup tool21:31
Jopealternately, open up a terminal21:31
Jopedevel-su -p /usr/bin/vcardconverter -e mycontacts.vcf21:31
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Jopeand you get to create it where-ever you please21:31
pdanekthanks21:31
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pdanekgot it, via backup tool21:32
pdanekthanks again21:32
tigelimaaaaggic21:32
Jopehttp://i.imgur.com/YsbKHg1.gif21:33
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pdanekhmm, now21:35
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pdanekhow to delete all contacts at once?21:35
pdanekwithout resetting my phone to factory21:36
JopeI used to know this, but can't remember now21:36
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TemeVat least deleting the database file should do the trick :)21:37
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pdanekTemeV: do you know where the People database file is located please?21:38
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TemeV/home/nemo/.local/share/something I guess21:39
TemeVI can check in a minute if you don't find it21:39
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cb400fthere's an option to delete all contacts in the "People" app settings iirc21:40
pdanekcb400f: oh it is, under swipe down21:42
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pdaneksometimes I hate this, quite un-intuitive to always check if there is hidden menu or not21:42
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pdanekcb400f: it doesn't work21:47
pdanekonly 29 contacts were deleted21:47
pdanekand I have many more contacts left21:47
pdanekthat option now doesn't delete anything, yet I have plenty in People app21:47
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pdanekok21:48
pdanekthey were from Google account21:48
pdanekafter deleting the account, they're gone21:49
pdaneksolved21:49
pdanekthanks21:49
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