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citylight2so, is anyone back home from FOSDEM?09:38
r0kk3rzcitylight2: not yet09:40
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locusfhome is still 12h away :p09:41
locusfmy flight got cancelled and gotta take a later flight back09:41
lainwir3do/09:41
citylight2so, was there any other news to a jolla end user beyond fairphone2 being able to run sailos?09:45
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citylight22) is anyone else having problem setting up a google calender event via the jolla calender?09:45
citylight2I did a full factory restore and the issue persist09:46
r0kk3rzcitylight2: not really, there was more info about community translations but thats it09:46
Smarcitylight2: intex?09:48
citylight2did you hold an intex?09:48
citylight2was there any other mobile news?09:49
r0kk3rzdidnt see intex, saw sailfishos fp209:49
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citylight2what is fp2?09:50
citylight2is it a sexual thing? or a tablet thing?09:50
the_mgtfairphone2, i guess09:50
r0kk3rzthere wasnt a big official jolla presence so no announcements09:50
r0kk3rzoh, i also held the mystical rare jolla tablet. very nice09:51
citylight2did you get to keep it?09:51
locusfa preproduction hardware even :)09:51
citylight2did they bring a box and sold them by the piece?09:52
citylight2guess that would bank more then the food trucks09:52
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r0kk3rzother big news comes from sony, apparently they are unifying their kernels so one sailfishos port for all sony device09:54
locusf+ freedreno09:54
locusfat least no more libhybris for graphics09:54
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stephgwhich is totally bonkers and amazing if you thikn about it09:55
Smarcitylight2: afaik intex phone will be announced at some big happening in near future09:55
Smarforgot its name, use your search engine or something :P09:55
r0kk3rzstephg: its a massive breakthrough imo09:55
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citylight2r0kk3rz: you mean the sony phones?09:57
citylight2or the TV?09:57
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r0kk3rzphones + tablets09:57
stephgr0kk3rz yeh def09:58
citylight2so we like sony, do we still hate philips?09:58
the_mgtI hate philips with a passion09:58
locusfits also the whole qcom soc support09:59
locusfper platform09:59
citylight2out to eat09:59
the_mgtbtw, are there any tizen tablets with open sources?09:59
locusf+ of course mainline kernel stuff from qcom & sony09:59
locusfso you can use mainline with device .dt to run on sony and other qcom soc devices09:59
chem|stthe_mgt: even asking for tizen...10:01
the_mgtnot for tizen, but for sources. would make porting easier, no?10:01
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chem|stthe_mgt: I will not buy a Samsung device any time soon10:01
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chem|steven if I am able to replace their system10:02
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* rigo is happy that chem|st starts to understand my pledge to keep jolla hardware available10:07
r0kk3rzrigo: yeah thats not going to happen, jolla hw is done10:12
Jopejust do adaptations to hw that is mass produced and life will be better10:16
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entilI got nothing to do with jolla's business, but I was mulling over the whole android compatibility layer10:35
entilif these 3rd party ways of running android become more prominent, it might actually make sense to make the whole stack available and go into the same kind of business model as linux distro vendors10:36
entillike support deals, maybe paid features, etc10:36
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tango_entil: android support in sailfish os is via a proprietary shim not developed by jolla10:57
entilnot developed by jolla is probably new to me, I heard it's jolla proprietary10:58
pp__http://www.myriadgroup.com/en/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/10:59
entilmaybe jolla could retail that to community ports11:00
entilI'd probably get a fairphone or somesuch with sailfish and even pay just a little jolla's way to get it going11:01
entiltoo bad jolla store doesn't support doing business with apps :P11:01
rigor0kk3rz: I'm not sure yet, because more and more people start to understand the threat11:02
rigoentil: :(( yes, that's the issue11:02
rigoso in love with the system that they forgot to build the money-making part. This is unlike, but not very viable11:03
entilnot sure exactly that is the reason they don't support transactions on the store, I'd guess it's because they want people to use the apps available - ie. everyone wanting money might deter people from installing11:04
entilthis time around, when they have an app in-house that they can sell (if the deal with myriad allows it), it kinda bit them on the ass11:04
phlixii have no doubt there is no transaction thing in the store, because of effort to implement11:09
phlixithere are 1000 things to do, they barely get the minimum done.11:10
entilonline shopping's not that hard a problem in recent years11:10
entilthat's why I think it's something else than just writing it up11:10
phlixievery of those 1000 problems is not THAT hard today...11:10
phlixinad yes, online shopping IS hard to do, as soon as you have customers from multiple nations11:11
phlixiits actually not that easy11:11
entilI'm sure there's even opensource code for it, but whatever, doesn't matter now11:12
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citylight2I try to touch  /home/nemo/.profiled/custom.ini.tmp and get11:20
citylight2touch: cannot touch `/home/nemo/.profiled/custom.ini.tmp': No space left on device11:20
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citylight2yet df -h shows all file systems are below %50, so what is wrong?11:21
roborowelcome to btrfs citylight211:21
citylight2what to do?11:21
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roborommmm it depends on how bad your situation is... there are some TJC posts on this11:23
roborohold on a second11:23
roborohttps://together.jolla.com/question/121197/disk-full-unable-to-delete-or-balance-read-only/11:23
roborothat was once11:23
roborohttps://together.jolla.com/question/79787/strange-no-space-left-on-device-while-having-50-free/11:24
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stephgcitylight2: btrfs fi sh11:24
stephgyou can try a balance, but you may need to delete some files11:24
roboroThis is the best article: https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/11:24
citylight2btrfs-balancer allocation say 33% allocated11:25
stephgcitylight2: use roboro's link above11:25
stephgwhat is the output of btrfs fi sh11:25
citylight2ERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device11:26
citylight2Label: 'sailfish'  uuid: 86180ca0-d351-4551-b262-22b49e1adf4711:26
citylight2Total devices 1 FS bytes used 2.84GiB11:26
citylight2devid    1 size 13.75GiB used 4.59GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p2811:26
citylight2Btrfs v3.1611:26
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* roboro wishes that Jolla had gone with a slightly more sane file system... btrfs is a bugger to make sense of11:27
citylight2ERROR: error during balancing '/' - No space left on device11:28
citylight2odd11:28
stephgerm11:29
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stephgthat's not looking great11:29
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citylight2yep, I also see this:11:29
citylight2http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?93637611:30
citylight2which looks like a kernel bug11:30
roboroso I ran into something similar... you end up having to boot into rescue mode and mount there and clean up like that...11:31
citylight2how to rescue11:31
roborobefore you do this... backup your /dev/mmcblk0p28 partition11:31
roboroI lost mine and had to get some more heavy handed help11:32
citylight2how to boot to rescue mode?11:32
roborohttps://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/11:33
roboroalso see https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-Jolla-Phone-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode-11:35
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roborodon't rush to use the brrfs repair function11:35
roborothat thing is trouble imho11:35
roborobefore you do anything... dd copy the mmcblk0p28 partition to a large sdcard... or if you're clued up do a dd copy using netcat to copy the partition to your hard disk on your computer11:38
roboroif things go wrong and you need to reflash... you want this image available...11:38
yestoall(and make sure the sd card is ext4)11:39
roboroyeah good thinking11:39
roborothere really should be a nice backup/reflash option in the recovery menu11:39
roboroto help less technical people do this stuff11:39
yestoall+111:40
roboroit would also just be an awesome thing to be able to do just before a major upgrade or anything11:40
roborobut its such a ballache to do it manually that one tends to avoid doing it11:40
roboroI'm trying to find someone who has documented the process of backing up that partition... but I can't find anything really11:42
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roborothe best I can offer is coderus's very handy instructions on reflashing: https://coderus.openrepos.net/jollarecovery/README.html11:43
yestoallmount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mysd11:43
yestoalldd if=/dev/mmcblk0p28 of=/mysd/fullbackup20160118.img11:43
roboroyep11:43
roborothanks yestoall11:44
roborowas going to get to that :D11:44
yestoallas you can see, I did that on Jan 18 :-)11:44
yestoalland the phone did not explode.11:44
roboroheh11:45
roboroits a very good thing to get into the habit of doing on occassion11:45
roborocan save a lot of pain11:45
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roborocitylight2: I feel your pain... good luck... and if you need help... don't hesitate to post here... there are a lot of people who can help you11:46
citylight2#btrfs are helping me, they claim my rootfs is full11:46
citylight2odd11:46
citylight2where are the biggest files at?11:47
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citylight2 /var looks ok11:47
yestoallhave you stored videos locally (not on the SD)?11:47
citylight2yes11:47
citylight2but on /home11:47
roboroalso some android apps play odd...11:47
yestoalli would first move the videos to the SD11:47
citylight2ok11:48
yestoallthe gallery and media apps from Jolla find it on the SD, too11:48
yestoallso nothing lost so far11:48
yestoallbut again, first ext4 for the SD card, otherwise the backup will be 4.2 GB only :-)11:49
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citylight2I see11:49
citylight2can I make /home be the SD and solve space issues?11:51
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citylight2I mean I know how to do it in linux with the .etc/fstab, but You guys have more experience11:51
rigocitylight2:  there was some howto floating in tmo AFAIK11:51
yestoallthere is an extensive report on that on TJC11:52
rigo ... and no, you can't treat the phone like a normal desktop with debian stable and without systemd11:52
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yestoallhttps://together.jolla.com/question/108669/11928-mounting-sd-card-as-home-partition-and-android-storage/11:53
citylight2can anyone suggest a good TJC to solve the space using a 32Gb SD card?11:53
citylight2and thank you guys11:53
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citylight22) is anyone else having problem setting up a google calender event via the jolla calender?13:40
Bysmyyrnot recently13:41
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citylight2I see this in the journal  GoogleDataTypeSyncAdaptor::errorHandler:130 - ERROR:  "Calendars" request with account 7 experienced error: 29913:53
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tadzikhmm, my Phone app has a spinning busy indicator constantly on the app page, and the cover only shows numbers, not names of contacts; any idea why it'd do that?15:59
tadzikreboot didn't help :)15:59
SfietKonstantinWtadzik: are contacrts working well ?16:00
tadzikSfietKonstantinW: yes, People seems to work just fine16:01
SfietKonstantinWstrange16:01
stephgtadzik: and the rest of the apps?16:01
tadzikmessages also doesn't map numbers to names16:01
tadzikbut if I swipe right on the list of messages I get the contact page correctly16:01
tadzikoh, now it's showing names16:01
tadzikphone still isn't though16:02
chem|sttadzik: indexing borked, happened to me twice so far, very odd behaviour and no idea how I fixed it as it somewhat recovered on its own16:02
stephgchem|st: well worst case nuke tracker?16:03
chem|sttadzik: maybe backup contacts, delete all and import the all16:03
chem|ststephg: I think that did not help actually16:03
tadzikmaybe if I add a new one it'll trigger the indexer?16:03
stephgtadzik: indexes can be somewhat managed if you have utils installed from the store16:04
chem|sttadzik: my best bet is backup, destroy, recover16:04
stephgand totally managed frmo the commandline (tracker-control iirc)16:04
stephgoh, and rm(1) too ;)16:04
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tadzikheh16:04
tadziktracker can be restarted from Utilities iirc16:04
tadzikat least the media tracker16:04
stephgyeh16:04
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tadzikchem|st: do you know if there's any way to automatically delete all contacts rather than clicking them individually?16:08
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tadzikI guess clearing the inevitable sqlite is always an option16:08
chem|sttadzik: settings - apps - people - delete all16:09
tadzikoh, it's in the pulley. Thanks16:09
tadzikI didn't see it at first16:09
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chem|sttadzik: did that quiet often now as I try to figure out a bug with BT/cardDAV transfer that leaves exactly 55 contacts not transfered and all others with missing details16:10
tadzik:o16:11
chem|stN9->Jolla not working Jolla->Android not working Jolla-Owncloud7 not working and so on...16:11
citylight2tadzik: please run btrfs fi sh16:12
fennekkifish16:14
chem|stcitylight2: asking if his rootfs is full is better then telling someone to run some command...16:14
citylight2ok, sorry16:15
chem|stcitylight2: :) np, just sounds a bit rude16:15
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tadzikchem|st: that helped, thanks16:27
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tadzikinterestingly, fi sh says "Error: could not open /dev/mmcblk0p28"16:30
tadzikrootfs is not full though, as far as df -h knows16:30
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fennekkihow full is it16:33
Nicd-and there the tablets go: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/181dxCgkxL-sUV7Wb7edpEOWUtsN9KW3s2u7C_r3azHg/edit#gid=016:33
tadzik72%16:34
fennekkibtrfs devs have said that it's not really "meaningful" to show a number for free space on a btrfs partition so it's kinda, imprecise16:34
fennekkihmm16:34
fennekkiI dunno if it would have almost 30% metadata though16:34
tadzikI'm pretty sure this doesn't include metadata16:34
tadziklike inodes and stuff16:34
fennekkiyeah, it doesn't as far as I know16:36
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chem|sttadzik: btrfs fi show should give you readings of it all, if it does not it is borked, and you can easily have a full rootfs with df showing just about 50%16:39
tadzikoh, that's awesome >:(16:39
tadzikany idea how can I unbork it?16:40
chem|stleft alone datachunks plus metadata can add up to 7GB in about 2 weeks if you got lots of caching going16:40
chem|sttadzik: run as root?16:40
tadzik*facedesk*16:41
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chem|stI get an error too but I get readings of both btrfs volumes just fine16:41
fennekkiI really can't remember what the deal with btrfs metadata was but I think it was something like, it'll shuffle the metadata around to make space if you add more files16:41
fennekkiexcept if there's no space to do that in which case you get a filesystem that "has space" but is full16:41
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tadzikok, first it says "Error: unable to get label Inappropriate ioctl for device"16:42
fennekkiand it's nigh-impossible to define how much "free space" you have due to this; because it might be entirely different for a hundred small files compared to one big one, or whatever16:42
tadzikthat's probably sdcard16:42
chem|stfennekki: yeah it needs about the size of the metadata free to be able to move metadata16:42
fennekkialso I think there's some ways to merge it and whatnot16:42
tadzikthen "Label: 'sailfish'", that's Total devices 1 FS bytes used 9.44 GiB, but devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 13.74GiB"16:42
fennekkithe space usage is inconsistent16:42
tadzikso yeah, pretty much full and df lies16:43
chem|sttadzik: the important bit is the devid 0 13.75Gib used xx.xxGiB16:43
chem|sthow much used by data=?16:43
tadzikhmm, I'll just nopaste it16:43
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tadzikhttps://gist.github.com/tadzik/8b5ca59ec17dcb08433216:46
chem|sttadzik: yeah full, and you might want to free up 2GB before you rebalance16:46
tadzikthat explains while Call Recorder got stuck recently16:47
chem|stuh that fills up metadata pretty bad16:48
chem|sthad it on autorecord everything16:48
tadzikyeah, so do I16:49
chem|stbad idea16:49
chem|stgtg have fun balancing (plug in power!)16:49
tadzikholy cow it's flac16:49
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mornfallanyone got any of the tablet-related mails yet?19:12
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coderusmornfall: everybody already received refunds, isn't it?19:20
mornfallhuh?19:20
phlixilol19:20
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louisdkI'm really sad about the tablet situation. SailfishOS seems really fitted for tablets.22:35
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