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Stskeepsgood morning06:24
rigo+106:25
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rigo:)06:25
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Stskeepsat least i managed to sleep quite a long while, not as tired as at FOSDEM :P06:26
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BergkatzeGreetings, everybody.06:45
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chem|sttadzik: all fine on your end now?09:38
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tadzikchem|st: oh, yes, all good now. Thanks!10:31
Stskeepstadzik: did you get it upgraded btw or how was it?10:32
tadzikStskeeps: get it upgraded?10:32
Stskeepsyeah you had some issue a while back on the phone side10:32
tadzikyeah, it just came out of nowhere10:32
Stskeepsok10:32
tadzikI think that some notification saying "you're running out of disk space" might be useful :)10:33
Stskeepsi did think to translate it into 'btrfs sucks'10:33
Stskeeps:P10:33
fzkbtw, what fs does the jolla run?10:37
chem|sttadzik: I had that right after an upgrade, so btrfs full might be after upgrade and playing around with recovering your contacts tracking10:37
fzkand another thing, im really thinking of ordering one but homepage states delayed delivery due to installing sailfish 2.0, is it possible to get them to just send the device and let me upgrade myself?10:38
chem|stI had all kind of unmatched stuff like msging opening empty contact cards while showing the name in the conversation but only unknown number when pulling to the side10:38
chem|stand stuff alike10:38
chem|stfzk: btrfs on phone ext4 on tablet10:38
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chem|stfzk: ordering does not take long usually, ignore the delay notice, it might be not there in two days though10:39
chem|stand you actually want it to be flashed, to get the newest factory images put on10:40
lainwir3do/10:40
lainwir3dext4 + lvm on tablet10:41
fzkchem|st: i c, ive been longing to replace my phone since the jolla came out10:44
chem|stfzk: lol, that was 2 years ago^^10:44
fzklvm is nice10:44
chem|stnot much you can do with the lvm though10:44
fzkchem|st: i dont like being a beta tester :)10:44
chem|stat least nothing fancy I'd do!10:44
fzki have no problem waiting for software to be mature10:45
chem|stfzk: well then a year?!10:45
fzkbut 2.0 seems really nice10:45
chem|stI was forced by a preproduction phone to swap over to jolla just days after I got it, and as phone it was most of the time usable10:45
fzkso if i order it now, i will expect it to be in my hands on friday ;-)10:45
chem|stcehteh: how long did your phone take to be delivered?10:46
fzki dont think its worth to wait for the intex, i have a feeling it will be a few more months10:46
chem|stfzk: he hit it just about when they started reflashing10:46
fzki see10:46
fzkthat would be good to know actually10:47
chem|stfzk: if you can live without android you might want to have a look at what ported devices are available ;)10:47
fzki wanted to buy one in the store but nobody in .se sells them10:47
chem|stwell, you usually don't display old things10:48
chem|stfzk: you could get a fairphone2 as soon as something official is known to be released by jolla10:48
fzkis it that bad compared to todays devices?10:49
fzki mean, outdated10:49
chem|stno but retail stores ususally do not have stuff from 2 years ago when it comes to electronics that are rare10:49
fzkyeah, very true. but how is the device, is it "snappy" or starting to feel outdated?10:50
chem|stit is a bit outdated sure, now you get more ram/storage/cpu as always10:50
chem|stand the modem does not support VoLTE but who cares10:50
chem|stI am still waiting for someone to do a quadcopterTOH :)10:51
fzkhmm10:56
fzkis even volte widely adopted?10:56
fzkits not even in production in .se according to wiki10:57
fzksounds like a feature i dont need 8]10:57
chem|stproviders are starting to get online, at least 2/3 in Germany are already VoLTE enabled10:58
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chem|stand someone told me that their provider is disabling 3G for good in 201610:59
fzkthanks for that, as long as 2g and 4g works i would be happy11:00
fzk3g is horrible11:00
chem|stif there wasn't that latency I'd prefer satelite networks...11:01
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WntAny sailors around? I found a bug in the Taalojärvi messaging application when sending a message to multiple recipents11:26
Wntthe answers from recipents appear in the multi recipent "thread" in the messaging app and you cannot tell which of the recipents sent the answer11:27
till-to you mean this one: https://together.jolla.com/question/7973/sms-sending-to-multiple-recipients-problems-with-delivery-reports-and-received-replies/11:28
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Wntah great! tried searching from TJC, but didn't find that11:30
WntI thought the problem was introduced in Taalojärvi11:30
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dr_gogeta86chem|st, here in italy 4g penetration for some providers is very low11:46
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chem|stdr_gogeta86: rural Germany you might not even get proper EDGE or even coverage at all12:20
dr_gogeta86I remember ... sometims i did some trip to cottbus outside berlin ... and sometimes also NeuKoln ...is out of coverage12:21
dr_gogeta86NeuKoln as berlin12:21
chem|stberlin district12:21
kimmolideveloping countries12:22
chem|styeah I live close to the french boarder in the woods... I know that I am off in the wrong direction as soon as I loose signal, wrong valley then ;)12:22
chem|stkimmoli: just looking into how expensive the ORMA trimaran from waterworld is, so I get prepared for the worse12:23
chem|st$800k isn't that much12:23
chem|stmissing cell coverage for good^^12:24
fzklol@taobao12:28
fzkalmost tempting just to have one12:31
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Pawkyis there any way to ban phone numbers in Jolla?13:31
tadzikgsmtables!13:32
kjetilhodo you mean Microsoft support? :-p13:32
Pawkygsmtables?....13:32
Pawkywell.. on an android phone you can just ban a  contact13:32
till-there was an app for that13:34
till-https://openrepos.net/content/ovekaaven/scumstopper13:35
Pawkythere was?.. not is?13:36
lainwir3doh13:36
lainwir3dawesome !13:36
till-dunno if it's still working13:37
fzklol, i read without the s :(13:39
kjetilhooh yeah, http://  LOL13:40
fzkirc damaged since the 90s13:40
fzkno, run echo scumstopper|sed 's/s//'13:41
fzkeyes tend to read what the mind wants to read13:41
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Pawkythe search feature in the jolla store seems a bit limited...  it cannot find tuner in Sailtuner, no matter *tuner* or not..13:44
chem|stPawky: yeah seems it only searches begining of words13:47
tadzikPawky: that's how I imagine iptables on phones to be called :P13:47
Pawkykind of... crappy...13:47
chem|stPawky: maybe there is a "full text search" tjc?!13:47
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citylight2hi, I had some issues with my jolla during the last half a year. I then restarted the phone to factory settings two weeks ago, and had these issues again14:16
citylight2I then found that the reason was I was using call recorder with saved files to /home/nemo.local and filled up the filesystem14:16
citylight2so I move these files to the SD, and the space was reclaimed.14:17
citylight2Is it possible that any more damage was caused when the file system ran out of space?14:17
citylight2should I restart to factory settings again?14:17
till-I would guess that doing a factory reset causes more wear to the flash memory and thus would cause more damage14:19
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till-unless it's working I wouldn't do a factory reset14:19
till-s/unless/if14:20
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citylight2ok, thnaks till, anyone else?14:20
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citylight2hi SpeedEvil14:31
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citylight2does an upgrade write a new OS image to boot from?15:06
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chem|stcitylight2: any non static stuff might have hickups like msging db or people etc besides that you should be fine, and even that can be fixed as did tadzik just yesterday with some guidance ;)15:30
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chem|stcitylight2: new osimage? packages get upgraded, that might include the kernel15:31
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citylight2thanks chem|st, any idea when sailos will work with beacons?15:40
fzkbeacons?15:42
fzkah, support for bacon15:42
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* kid prefers bacon over beacons15:44
chem|stcitylight2: beacons, no idea, bacon calling works since 2 weeks ago or so.. so for me that is "it works"15:45
chem|stkid: I'd like to have beacons to point me to bacon^^15:45
chem|stradar beacons all over the place!15:46
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fzko.o15:55
fzki have my own personal bacon finder15:55
fzk..my dog!15:55
fzkextremely efficient also15:55
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fzkerhm, raspberry pi running sailfish, seriously15:57
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Oni^cool, link to source?16:05
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phlixi_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo6zlKcn3UU16:12
phlixi_https://sailpi.wordpress.com/16:12
locusffzk: Oni^: yup it works16:14
phlixi_and here is the source of locusf confirmation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HpsMkUIBDY :-)16:15
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tappelargh16:30
tappelsemi-bricked my jolla :(16:31
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tappelor i don't think I did anything16:31
tappelui stopped responding, occasionally I get a picture but for example logo isn't showing at boot16:32
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tappeli don't have the firmware image for factory reset, although it wouldn't do any good immediately because I can't find a suitable microsd card16:34
tappelanyone have the image file?16:34
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phlixi_tappel: i think coderus already linked a few times to some download for an image16:42
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phlixi_afaik there are public logs for this channel, thus you might just google it :-)16:43
tappeloh16:43
tappelthanks16:43
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phlixi_FYI depending on where you are, its maybe illegal (I assume jolla isnt putting up an "official" image due to some licence issues with some blobs)16:44
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schoppenhauerhi. is it possible to configure a jolla phone to use usb-internet-tethering to wifi? (that is, effectively, using the jolla phone as a "wifi stick")16:54
schoppenhauerbecause even if I have a connected wifi, it always sends through my mobile connection16:54
schoppenhauerand even worse, it always *activates* it, even when I deactivate it16:54
stephgschoppenhauer: that doesn't sound right16:55
schoppenhauerstephg: why?16:55
stephgand to answer your question probably yes16:55
stephgyou deactivate mobile data, it should stay deactivated16:55
schoppenhauerstephg: why does it not sound right, and how to do?16:55
schoppenhauerit doesn't, apparently16:55
PeperJohnnythere is a thread on tjc, but they have no solution16:56
PeperJohnnyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/55118/feature-request-share-wifi-connection-over-usb/16:56
schoppenhauerhm…16:57
stephgschoppenhauer: so to be clear16:57
stephgjolla on wifi16:57
stephgplug computer into jolla16:57
schoppenhaueryes.16:57
stephgset computer's route etc. to use the jolla16:57
schoppenhaueryes.16:58
stephgso usbnet in reverse?16:58
schoppenhauerno.16:58
r0kk3rzhttps://together.jolla.com/question/3798/usb-tethering/16:58
r0kk3rznot quite what you want, but close16:58
schoppenhauerno.16:58
schoppenhauerbecause it doesn't work16:59
schoppenhaueras I already pointed out16:59
r0kk3rzsorry i must have missed that bit16:59
schoppenhauergah. maybe I'll just try a developer connection with ssh -D16:59
schoppenhauer(I hope this will work)16:59
stephgr0kk3rz: evidently so did I16:59
stephgschoppenhauer: what doesn't work16:59
stephgI'm just asking you what conceptually you want to happen16:59
kjetilhoanyone gotten tethering via bluetooth to work?17:00
schoppenhauerstephg: telling jolla to tether the wifi through usb.17:00
schoppenhauerstephg: it always uses my 3G connection17:00
kjetilhostephg: the jolla should appear as a network-card to the PC17:00
schoppenhauerstephg: even though I told jolla to *not* use mobile data17:00
r0kk3rzschoppenhauer: i'd suggest talking to phdeswer about it whenever he is around17:01
* kid has only tested wifi & usb tethering17:01
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schoppenhauerI'll just try developer mode…17:01
stephgkjetilho if the PC is linux (dunno about the others) it should be possible with 2 commands to share the wifi connection with the pc17:01
stephgnot pretending to be a device17:01
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stephgbut with simple masquarading17:01
stephgschoppenhauer: you've not enabled that yet? if not, do, it should be straight forward17:02
stephgthe thing I don't follow is why it's using gsm at all if you've disabled it17:02
kjetilhokid: you did the "pkcon install usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config" thing?17:02
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kjetilhonice.  I didn't know this!  "dhclient enp0s26f7u1", and I can connect to my Jolla over USB.17:11
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schoppenhauerstephg: well, I now tunnel through the developer mode.17:12
stephgyup17:12
schoppenhauerand it works.17:12
stephgcool17:13
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schoppenhauerssh-tunneling I mean ;)17:13
schoppenhauerbut it is enough for me17:13
stephgif you were talking about gui stuff then thats nott going to work (yet)17:13
tappelanyone have an idea about my jolla by the way? i got the factory image but i haven't found a microsd card so i might as well keep on researching this a bit17:14
schoppenhaueryes. but messing around with iptables is maybe also not the best solution. just using ssh -D seems to be simple.17:14
stephgbut ssh as you have or iptables would both work17:14
kjetilhothe documentation for Jolla/SailfishOS is quite hard to find :/17:14
tappelit turns on but does not show logo, does not show anything on the screen, but backlight turns on and off17:15
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tappeldouble tap or power button turns the backlight on, occasionally with the indicator led flashing rapidly green17:16
kjetilhoI mean, why not mention that the username is "nemo" somewhere?17:16
stephgkjetilho: has to be on tjc somewhere?17:17
tappelthe proximity sensor seems to be on at all times when the phone is turned on17:17
kjetilhostephg: that's exactly it.  "somewhere"17:18
tappel(glows very dimly red)17:18
stephgbut yeh unless youre oldschool meego youd niot know tghat17:18
stephgkjetilho: are you new to us here17:18
* stephg apols for typing, holsding clingy 1yr old17:18
kjetilhoI probably did see that username on my 770 10 years ago17:18
kjetilhobut I had forgotten17:18
tappelthe phone rings when calls are received but i can't answer them17:19
stephgkjetilho: nemo is newer than that but yeah17:19
kidkjetilho: nope, ad. usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config17:19
kjetilhoFatal error: File './mw/armv7hl/usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config-0.82.3-1.19.1.armv7hl.rpm' not found on medium 'https://releases.jolla.com/releases/2.0.1.7/jolla/armv7hl/'17:19
kjetilhointeresting that it did find a version number17:20
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tappelit seems sms messages are also received, but I can't read them...17:23
kjetilho(pkcon refresh did the trick, of course)17:24
tappelwow, even google chat messages are received by the phone17:28
tappelso, not at all bricked but rather unusable17:28
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kjetilhoyay, it works like a charm17:29
kjetilhotappel: you have tried to remove the battery?17:32
tappelkjetilho: yes, several times17:32
tappeli'm starting to suspect this is a hardware issue17:32
tappeldisplay somehow not properly connected17:33
tappelI've not gotten a picture to show in the last couple of hours at all17:33
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tappelbut then again, when I last got it to work enough to use the phone, it was sluggish and I looked at top on terminal and lipstick was using a lot of cpu17:35
tappelcould it be the proximity sensor somehow?17:35
tappelafaik it shouldn't be always on17:35
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pp__wut, turing phone uses sailfish: http://suomimobiili.fi/turing-puhelimen-piti-kayttaa-androidia-mutta-vaihtui-lennossa-suomalaiseen-sailfish-os-kayttojarjestelmaan/ (fincrypted)18:47
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pp__here we go: http://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/02/turing-phone-gets-delayed-switches-to-sailfish-os.html18:48
M4rtinKshould not be an issue given the storage used :)18:48
phlixi_i hear the first tim eabout a "turing" phone18:50
eye_a_Jolla )01!@ )0h18:50
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Siddeyay!18:53
SiddeSailfish is alive!18:53
tadzikSailfish OS is an operating system that is based off of Linux – which that should tell you why it can run Android apps18:54
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tadzik¯\_(ツ)_/¯18:54
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Nicd-I commented that Alien Dalvik is made by Myriad, not by Jolla18:54
M4rtinKwell, I would be a bit cautious about this18:54
pp__libhybris and alien dalvik are a small miracle18:55
M4rtinKas apparently the phone is already delayed quite a bit18:55
SiddeM4rtinK: sure, vaporware it is18:55
M4rtinK& people seem to be quite skeptical about the company (at least according to comments in various articles)18:55
spiirointappel: the "dicator led flashing rapidly green" = panic pattern for: lipstick process is not responsive during display power up18:55
M4rtinKcould very well be18:55
spiirointappel: i.e. ui does not draw and display power up sequence can't be finished18:56
SiddeM4rtinK: but it was a long time since there was any positive news18:57
spiirointappel: if you get backlight & green led from double tap -> most likely that: proximity sensor is working ok & touch firmware is sending double tap events18:57
SiddeM4rtinK: i mostly feel depressed when i think of my phone situation and that i really should start making plance to migrate to android soon18:58
Sidde*plans18:58
M4rtinKwell, I don't see why I should migrate from my Jolla18:58
spiirointappel: journal might be helpful if you can somehow get it18:58
M4rtinKhandles my use cases just fine18:59
M4rtinKits more of the wasted potential that irks me18:59
SiddeM4rtinK: mine too for now, but the battery is getting bad. And if the company runs short of many i can't trust the patch cycle to continue18:59
Sidde*money (can't spell right now it...)18:59
M4rtinKmainly due to all the closed stuff, so small but annoying issues can't be fixed and Jolla is too busy to fix it themselves...19:00
M4rtinKSidde: well, I managed to secure some batteries that one time when they were available :)19:00
SiddeM4rtinK: :)19:00
M4rtinK+ there is a third party one that IIRC works too19:01
SiddeM4rtinK: but my jolla is living on overtime. I've dropped it twice while sailing19:01
M4rtinKbut indeed, Jolla-the-company capsizing would be bad19:01
SiddeM4rtinK: once it bounced on the safety wire and inside the cockpit19:01
M4rtinKdue to some unfortunate technological decisions that have been made19:01
Siddethe other time it bounced on the edge of the cockpit and inside instead of out19:01
M4rtinKlike no images, no repo mirrors, etc.19:02
Siddeits the only 2 times i've ever dropped a phone...19:02
SiddeM4rtinK: yes19:02
M4rtinKSidde: as long as it does not fall all the way down it should be fine :)19:02
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M4rtinKSidde: also I guess you need to fly under a cloud to actually see something on the display :)19:03
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SiddeM4rtinK: yes, that sucks bigtime19:03
SiddeM4rtinK: i bought a wrist watch acctually to solve that issue :D19:03
Siddeso i don't need to look at the display so much19:04
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phlixishaky freenode today...19:05
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SiddeM4rtinK: also made some apps with very bright big letters and numbers19:05
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M4rtinKSidde: that could help19:05
SiddeM4rtinK: the hard part is to log in with gloves and no visibility19:06
M4rtinKSidde: also AFAIK people are hacking e-ink ebook readers to use as flight computers19:06
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M4rtinKthe e-ink screen is ideal for that19:06
SiddeM4rtinK: when sailing in sweden, gloves is a year round thing19:06
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Siddeand wearing long underpants19:07
M4rtinKwell, most sailplanes are pretty drafty19:07
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SiddeM4rtinK: i'm a boat sailor19:07
M4rtinKbut no problem, you can still get sunburned without even trying :)19:07
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M4rtinKoh19:07
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M4rtinKlol19:07
M4rtinKmakes sense now :D19:07
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SiddeM4rtinK: haha19:07
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SiddeM4rtinK: guessing you got comfused with the word cockpit?19:08
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M4rtinKnot many water based sailors here in Czech Republic :)19:08
M4rtinKbut I know a few saiplane pilots :)19:08
SiddeM4rtinK: :D19:08
M4rtinKkinda19:08
SiddeM4rtinK: a lot of sailboats in this country19:08
M4rtinKI know the ship part is also called like that19:08
M4rtinKjust not used to ships that much :)19:09
Siddeor in the entire scandinavia19:09
M4rtinKmakes sense19:09
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M4rtinKwith all the sea & waterways19:09
M4rtinKthe bazillion of lakes in Finland, etc. :)19:09
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M4rtinKhave you tried modRana ? :)19:10
SiddeM4rtinK: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNexGfoGTHpGWWfl6wGUtLiysWbehAvouwDl7ffuagPgk5B6E8xMDNkoS97kkl3UA/photo/AF1QipMvrbJ3yk8_UqQMBKdX7Tk6_XXjtJrzhAWMbV4C?key=bzA5Y0hkeTJQSlZZOE1iVXl4a08xaHpCa2h5cWl319:10
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SiddeM4rtinK: no, don't have sea charts for digital use19:11
SiddeM4rtinK: so i've made my own gps navigational app, and use paper charts19:11
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SiddeM4rtinK: i bought the jolla to make a more complete app, but have lost the momentum a bit19:12
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M4rtinKSidde: if there was a suitable web mercator tile source I could add it :)19:15
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M4rtinKSidde: I know about http://www.openseamap.org/index.php?id=openseamap&no_cache=1&L=1, but that's probably too basic19:16
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SiddeM4rtinK: i live to far up north for any opensea chart to be avalible19:17
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Siddeand, for trustworthiness one needs something that you can trust in any case19:18
M4rtinKthat's for sure19:18
Siddenot that paper charts will do much better19:19
Siddelast time anyone checked the depth around here was pre 194019:19
Siddeand that was not with modern equipment19:19
SiddeAnd we have a land rise with about 1cm a year19:19
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Siddethat's live in the north ;)19:20
M4rtinKheh19:20
M4rtinKevery ride is an adventure :)19:21
Siddebut it's pretty simple here. I live in an area called the high coast19:21
Siddeso it's pretty much "mountains" and hills where all the land is, and is about 40m depth 20-30m out from land19:21
Siddeoften you can sail right up to the coastline19:22
Siddebut it's the placed you can't you do want to be able to trust something19:22
M4rtinKI can imagine uncharted underwater rocks as being super nasty19:23
Siddeyes, you prefereble want an older long keeled boat for that kind of hit19:23
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attahFunny that you should be discussing this today.. i was/am poking around with swedish lantmäteriet newly opened maps19:28
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attahI was considering trying to make some kind of tile server with cowboy in erlang just for the heck of it19:29
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Siddeattah: :)19:31
Siddeattah: a closed friend of mine use to be a developer for lantmäteriet. For their web api stuff19:32
attahSidde: interesting.. but using that would also be the boring solution ;)19:33
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tappelspiiroin: thanks20:23
tappelI can read the journal over usb20:24
tappelI'll try that and see what's up there20:24
tappeloh.20:31
tappelthe touchscreen actually works, I just have to use it blindly20:31
tappelso, at least in principle, i should be able to answer calls20:32
tappeland I can't seem to read the journal20:34
tappeljournalctl doesn't seem to exist, at least not in recovery console20:35
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spiirointappel: if you can access the journal data (normally visible at /var/log/journal/*/system*.journal), you can copy those over and use journalctl at desktop20:38
tappelok20:38
tappelI haven't enabled persistent journals but that's easy to do in recovery console...20:39
tappelI'll try that20:39
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tappelehh20:42
tappeli probably should actually mount the root partition20:42
HtheBcoderus: ping20:44
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tappelumm21:13
tappelI'm not exactly sure what to look for in the journal, but for example I get Feb 02 22:50:53 Jolla kernel: Console does not enable21:13
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tappelalso, probably at power button or double tap: Feb 02 22:52:34 Jolla [1024]: [C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory)21:31
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coderusHtheB: pong :D21:33
coderusbut i'm going to sleep now21:35
coderuswrite to private if something21:35
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kidkjetilho: sorry, I had installed usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config, but forgotten about it.22:15
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