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altker128Hey, sorry for the dumb question, does the sailfish-os porters channel still exist?02:46
lpotteraltker128: #sailfoshos-porters02:49
lpottergah #sailfishos-porters02:50
altker128Thanks!02:50
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tappelactually, i didn't factory reset my jolla yet, but i'm starting to think that it's somehow physically broken07:15
tappelbecause the Jolla logo does not show at boot, not even in the recovery mode07:15
tappelany insight, anyone? could this be a software issue? does the recovery mode load the same kernel and display driver modules as the regular boot?07:17
Stskeepsjolla logo comes from bootloader07:17
tappelokay07:17
tappelso, physically broken07:17
Stskeepsit doesn't sound too good07:18
tappelit's covered by warranty but it's a bit of pain when the company barely exists07:22
pp__yea, I suppose mobylife might have some spare new ones07:23
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entilgood news about the turing phone!08:32
birdzhanggood news08:32
Jopehehe, I love it how the PoV differs :.-D08:32
entiltoo bad there's nothing about price or release schedules08:32
ln-but turing was a convicted criminal08:32
JopeI read an android related blog posting and they were all disappointed :-)08:32
Helleln-: he got an official appology, also, only in the anglophone world08:32
entilthey should've named it after an unconvicted war criminal, like any recent president of the united states08:33
entilor maybe a rebel, like thomas jefferson or osama bin laden08:33
entilso now that the trolling's out of the way...08:33
entildid anyone catch anything on the turing phone's price or delivery date?-)08:33
kimmoliTuring was mentioned to be in >500$ and another device in >800$ range (USD)08:34
entiland when the phone ships with sailfish, does that mean it gets alien dalvik?08:34
kimmolidelivery April 2016 (yeah sure)08:34
entilkimmoli: "työnantaja maksaa"08:34
entilapril would be very nice08:34
Jopeit might not automatically mean that it gets alien08:34
Stskeepsentil: usually you can't ship a sailfish commercially with just the porters kit08:34
entilthat's like the most obvious way for jolla to make buck$08:34
Stskeepsentil: due to licenses etc08:34
Stskeepsso if there was opportunity for alien dalvik license, wouldn't most take it?08:35
Helleentil: Alien Dalvik is a seperate license (seperate company)08:35
entilStskeeps: I'm sure the community would be open to paying for the licenses08:35
Stskeeps:P08:35
entilHelle: that's a retail opportunity08:35
Hellestill wish I could revert the phone to the 1.x UI.... 2.x doesn't quite work as "nicely"08:36
StskeepsHelle: not exactly.. part of commercial license of sailfishos08:36
Hellebut I might just tweak the things08:36
HelleStskeeps: yeah, but you could license Alien Dalvik on it's own, right ?08:36
Stskeepsprobably but not for sailfish08:36
Hellefrom non-Jolla08:36
Helleyeah, ignoring Sailfish specifics08:36
tappelI prefer the 1.x UI too08:41
* kjetilho loves the 2.x UI. now, if they fixed the covers to include a recognisable icon ...08:41
Yanielthere are some aspects of the 2.x one I find better08:41
tappelbut the 2.x isn't too bad either08:41
Yanielbut the swipiness of 1.x was in its own class08:41
tappelI liked when I could switch to silent blindly with haptic feedback08:42
tappeland when top edge swipe was all that was needed to turn the screen off08:42
tappelbut otherwise no complaints about 2.x08:42
kjetilhowhy top edge swipe when you have the button on the side?08:43
tappelwell, it's somehow very intuitive08:43
tappel"close eyes"08:43
Jopesure, but slower than clicking a button :-)08:44
kjetilhoit's a waste of gesture :)08:44
JopeI rarely use double tap to wake either08:44
Jopethe button is under my finger when I hold a phone08:44
Jopeeven though my sony does double tap to wake too08:44
Yanielnot for me08:44
tappelnew microsoft lumias also do double tap wake08:44
YanielI have to change the way I hold the phone in order to reach the buttons08:44
Yanielso swiping is much faster - and safer08:45
Yanielas I can keep my good grip on the phone instead of juggling it around08:45
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kjetilhoI have to change the way I hold the phone to do a top edge swipe, it's very hard to do onehanded08:45
kimmoliphone on desk; double tap to unlock and swipe to close are muuuuuuuuch better than buttons in side08:45
kjetilhooh, double tap on screen?  that's a misfeature I'd love to be able to turn off08:46
kjetilhowhen the screen is black, it should not respond08:47
tappelthese all should be configurable (in fact they probably are hackable)08:47
kjetilhoI use double-click on button to wake08:47
Yanielkjetilho: by that logic power buttons with builtin indicator leds should not do anything08:47
kjetilhoYaniel: a button is not a screen08:48
Yaniel"if the display (here the LED) is off, it should not respond"08:48
kjetilhoI wonder how much power is used to keep the touch sensor active at all time?08:48
kimmoliäh08:48
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spiiroinkjetilho: touch sensor is powered on only if proximity sensor is not covered08:56
spiiroinkjetilho: you can also do "mcetool --set-doubletap-wakeup=never" to disable the whole feature08:57
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citylight2hi, I see bluetoth-next in the kernel repository , but what is this project? is it replasing bluez?09:19
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citylight2replacing09:19
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kjetilhospiiroin: thanks!09:28
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sharixHas anybody tried "marble maps" on SfOS (JP)?16:13
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ggabrielis that the kde one?16:14
sharixggabriel: yup16:14
ggabrielyup, tried it16:14
ggabrielworks ok16:14
ggabrielbut lacks many features and UX is a bit inconsistent16:14
sharixggabriel: Does offline navigation work?16:14
ggabrielno16:14
ggabrielthere is no such option16:14
sharix:-(16:14
ggabrielif memory serves me right16:15
ggabrielHERE for android works ok for offline navigation16:15
ggabrieland runs well on the jolla too16:15
sharixSo, we have "here maps", "maep", "modrana" "poor maps (or the like)", and now marble. But none makes sense IMHO16:15
sharixggabriel: "for adnroid"16:16
sharixUnbelievable why the nativ version lacks this most important feature...16:16
ggabrielI was just suggesting something if you needed offline navigation16:16
ggabrielit's been exmplained that the API for that is not provided16:16
sharixggabriel: Thanks, I'll try/purchase that16:16
ggabrielit's free :)16:16
ggabrielyou do need to sideload the apk though, or get google play or something16:17
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sharixggabriel: I'm not aware of "sideload", google play for sure will not poisn my JP ;-)16:18
sharixI'd love to pay some bucks for quality software!16:18
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EYeAJolla )01!@ )0h16:19
r0kk3rzsharix: offline navigation is hard16:20
sharixI'd need a calendar, a Mal User Agent, a PhoneBook/Dialer, a offline navigation solution – each 20 bucks, but even 50 bucks each is better than the alternatives currently available16:20
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sharixr0kk3rz: I purchased Sygic for S60. 2 time, both HW constrained... But basically, it always did exactly what it should16:21
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kjetilhogah.  is it just me, or is everything Google does just getting worse and worse?  now: Google Groups (I wanted to check on status of Osmand)16:25
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chem|stkjetilho: google will change its logo to a G shaped umbrella in the future what do you think?16:32
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sharixYeah, and Alphabet will rename again, to MomCorp ;-)16:34
chem|stsharix: sideload as in, use a download from google service to download the apk, it is not available for jolla anyway so you need to do that16:35
kjetilhothis fascination with web pages sideloading(!) content via "asynchronous" JavaScript needs to stop16:35
kjetilhoit just makes everything slower and more prone to fail16:35
sharixchem|st: Thanks, If I got it right, it just means I'll have to bother racoon to get me what I want?16:36
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Hellechem|st: nah, Google logo will end up being "a-G-z" indicating it's just the G in the company owning everything, yes, including you16:38
chem|stHelle: you do not own a phone with android and gservices now, why should that be a surprise in the future?16:39
chem|stsharix: racoon is a city...16:39
chem|stthere is the google research facility16:39
sharixchem|st: Nope, a fabulous IKEv1 daemon ;-)16:39
kjetilho"fabuolous" ...16:40
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chem|stsharix: lol16:42
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chem|stkjetilho: js sideloading should be forbidden hardcoded into browsers16:45
chem|stor developers never learn to not do such BS16:45
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Lieke_i'd vote for no JS whatsoever, but that's just me16:45
chem|stLieke_: I am with you16:46
chem|stI'd extend to Java16:46
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sharixHmm, just saw Sygic for android seems to depend on playstore. Is it generally possible to circumvent smoehow; Or app dependent possible? Or out of luck for such apps?16:47
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r0kk3rzsharix: its also on amazon store, so wont need play services i'd hope16:52
ggabrielis it? nice16:52
r0kk3rzso just get apk, install16:53
sharixr0kk3rz: I saw that, but I'd need "amazon underground", do I?16:53
r0kk3rzsharix: send them an email, they might be willing to sell it to you without going through a store16:56
r0kk3rzyou'd expect that since its a paid app that it would be hooked into whatever DRM those stores have16:57
ggabrielit's free...16:57
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sharixr0kk3rz: I'll try, but all I found is a "free" version, with in-app purchase options. I'd prefer to pay and stay offline16:58
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r0kk3rzthen thats easy16:59
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sharixhttp://help.sygic.com/hc/en-us/articles/205920468-Compatibility-Requirements17:02
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chem|stsharix: nokia here does not need gservice, get the apk download maps you need set to offline, have fun17:41
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sharixchem|st: good to know, but I can't purchase. There's no free lunch... I don't have recources to frequently check what the "free" app is doing since last update...17:45
Tegunokia here is free, isn't it?17:45
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kjetilhois there an app or otherwise for killing of run-away processes?18:04
kjetilhoor services.  e.g., messageserver5 ...18:05
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phlixidev mode and fingerterm?18:06
kjetilhopreferably BEFORE it has killed my battery18:10
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kjetilhostrange, doesn't even react to SIGTERM.  strace as nemo is not allowed.  strace as root shows it is busy-looping without doing system calls.18:11
Stskeepsthat doesn't sound healthy towards your emmc18:12
Stskeepskill -9 is probably suitable in that case18:12
kjetilhokill -QUIT worked18:13
kjetilhosame same18:13
kjetilhoStskeeps: how can it be unhealthy for my eMMC if it is not doing syscalls?18:14
chem|stkjetilho: msgsrv5 dies on its own so often that it doesn't matter to me^^18:15
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chem|stsharix: then do not update!18:15
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chem|stkjetilho: you need to be privileged user or root for most things with real data behind it18:16
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