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ShoggothHi! I just purchased a Jolla phone and I would like to take a full image backup of the current OS image before I upgrade it to the latest version.... how do I go about performing the backup?04:32
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ShoggothAnother question... I've tried enabling developer mode but it just gets stuck on "Enabling developer mode". I reset the device to factory and tried it again but still no success :(05:26
Shoggothnevermind… it finally worked…. what is it that takes so long when setting up developer mode?05:32
cehtehit installs some shit05:35
cehtehpatience :D05:35
cehtehalso notified the authorities about you trying to tamper with your gps tracker :D05:36
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Shoggothcehteh: thanks :)05:55
Shoggothcehteh: not sure if you saw my previous question…. perhaps you know the answer: How do I take a full backup of the phone… ie. I want to grab the current firmware image?05:56
cehtehi dont know about 'full' backup either05:57
cehtehthere is this backup thing which is just partial05:57
cehtehand you could backup the partitions but i dont know about restoring and how jolla tinkered with things05:57
cehtehwith a new phone just let it update to the newest version available before anytihng else and you are fine05:58
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Shoggothcehteh: thanks again…06:06
ShoggothOne last question … not just for you :)06:07
ShoggothI’m wondering of there is a decent hard case available for the Jolla phone....06:07
cehtehi use the insmart flipcase06:08
Shoggotha bit like this (http://www.amazon.com/Shell-Holster-Case-Motorola-Razr/dp/B009RQ1M5K) or this (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BLACK-HARD-SHELL-CASE-COMBO-BELT-CLIP-HOLSTER-KICKSTAND-FOR-NOKIA-N9-/121264978736)06:08
cehtehsame as in the jolla shop .. but there its out of stock, you can order it from the company directly06:08
Shoggothcehteh: yeah… I’ve got that case but I’m somewhat clumsy… the two cases I linked above are the ones I had for my previous phones06:08
cehtehi dont know any better, no otterbox unfortunally06:09
cehtehthe insmart flipcase protects the phone quite well06:09
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ShoggothI really like the beltclip shell case design…. I did find that the “Acer Liquid E2” has exactly the same dimensions but the camera isn’t in the same place :(06:12
cehtehi cant help much with that06:13
cehtehwell drill a hole for the camera when everything else fits06:13
ShoggothThe “Samsung Galaxy Core II” is pretty close (0.7 mm shorter and 0.1 mm narrower)  perhaps that might work06:13
cehtehadding a belt clip to the insmart thing with some rivets shouldnt be impossible either06:14
Shoggothcehteh: heh… excellent idea…. I didn’t think of that06:14
Shoggothanother excellent idea06:14
cehtehask your local shoe repair shop06:14
Shoggothout of curiosity; what timezone are you in?06:14
cehtehgermany06:14
Shoggothoh ok! I thought you would all still be in bed but I see it’s after 7am06:15
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chem|stShoggoth: full backup is dd'ing partitions in recovery, but really who needs that? you can basically tar your home to uSD and live from that11:55
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chem|strestoring should not be done on another release, so a backuped partition from 200 should be recovered with 200 installed11:56
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schoppenhauerhi. do jolla phones have bluetooth? (I cannot find any option, and I was wondering…)13:48
ggabrielschoppenhauer: yes13:48
MikaelaYes13:48
ggabrielyou mean you don't know how to turn it on?13:48
schoppenhaueryes.13:49
MikaelaAnd it's at least 4.1 or something like that as my bluetooth speakers work with it and Samsung Galaxy S3 don't detect it13:49
ggabrielsettings->bluetooth icon that is set up by default13:49
ggabrielor settings->bluetooth13:49
ggabrieland you can pair devices from there etc13:49
ggabrielgood read to learn basic stuff: http://jolla.com/guide/13:50
schoppenhauerok thx.13:52
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schoppenhaueris it possible to get a developer shell via bluetooth?14:16
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schoppenhauerand if not, can I do it manually using bluez?14:25
schoppenhauer(has it been done?)14:25
ramsesHD-AFAIK it is possible. But don't know how.14:26
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pahartik_schoppenhauer: By using "bt-network --server nap pan" one can create network interface...14:30
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pahartik_schoppenhauer: At least that is what I use14:34
schoppenhauerpahartik_: thx. I will try that.14:38
schoppenhauerdo I have to be paired for that already?14:38
pahartik_schoppenhauer: Yes14:38
schoppenhauerpahartik_: what do I need to install for having bt-network? I guess some rpm with bluez, right?14:39
schoppenhauer(because I do not have this command)14:40
pahartik_schoppenhauer: I probably needed to install that, possibly also built it on "OSC"14:42
schoppenhauerosc = ?14:42
r0kk3rzschoppenhauer: you can build on the phone, or in a mersdk chroot/vm14:43
r0kk3rzor on obs14:43
schoppenhauerpahartik_: how is the package called? is it just the normal bluez?14:44
schoppenhauerr0kk3rz: ok, i probably would build it on the phone.14:44
schoppenhauerr0kk3rz: does jolla have /usr/local?14:44
schoppenhaueror do I have to build an rpm14:45
r0kk3rzpahartik_: you had a bluez-tools on obs? https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:pahartik:sailfish-testing/bluez-tools14:47
pahartik_r0kk3rz: I just found that again as well14:48
pahartik_r0kk3rz: My current "bt-network" is probably from that repository14:48
schoppenhauerok thx.14:49
schoppenhauerI will look into that.14:49
schoppenhauer(and probably come again because I can't get it to work, but have to try first)14:49
r0kk3rzschoppenhauer: always a good idea to check build.merproject.org before compiling stuff yourself14:51
schoppenhauerok.14:51
r0kk3rzschoppenhauer: and also a good idea to compile what you need on there, so other people can use too14:51
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schoppenhauerr0kk3rz: I usually write nix-expressions for stuff I compile. (I wonder whether somebody ported the nix package manager to jolla…)14:52
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PaulePanterHi. Have you head of regression regarding Linux, USB and MTP?15:09
PaulePanterI am unable to copy files. :/15:10
PaulePanterlibmtp-Fehler:  Could not get file from device.15:10
PaulePanterMan, why can’t it just work. It’s such a waste of time.15:10
tillI'm using sftp/scp and have very little problems :)15:11
cehtehrsync ftw15:12
r0kk3rzDid anyone who bought a Jolla Tablet from the Webshop recieve an email about refund yet?15:12
cehtehmtp is gigantic fail anyway15:12
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r0kk3rzusual answer when someething doesnt work in linux, people tell you to do it a different way15:14
r0kk3rzthat said, ive been using syncthing for transfers, seems to work quite well15:15
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cehtehmtp is just broken by design .. on any system15:21
cehtehwhere it works its just a shitload of workarounds15:21
cehtehbut i'd wish for git-annex on the jolla15:22
* phlixi also uses SFTP and rsync - works like a charm15:23
phlixiif something tries to use mtp, first thing i do usually is looking for any other way without using mtp^^15:24
cehteheven when it works its broken. there are no atomic updates, no continutation of interrupted transfers, no renames15:25
phlixiat work i have a lot of androids an an iphone... i remember once trying to use mtp with a nexus galaxy, man that was terrible15:26
phlixidont remember in detail, but there was something where the workaround was to reboot the windows box15:26
phlixii dont know, to update file list, or similar trivial15:26
phlixiabsolutly broken15:26
phlixi^^15:26
phlixiluckily you can ssh into the jolla via every everything15:27
phlixi(and do sftp or similar for the topic^^)15:28
cehtehi'd wish the sshd would be available w/o devel mode15:28
phlixii dont mind15:28
cehteh(inkl root access)15:28
phlixiif you have no clue at all, then you should not be root. in that sense its just right i think15:29
phlixiif you dont activate devmode, its much harder to break something15:30
phlixiif you think you know what you do, then activate devmode and be root... everything fine15:30
phlixii do the same for my parents, where i take care of their "IT"... they dont have root... thus they have a hard time breaking something15:31
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PaulePanterThank you for the suggestions.15:56
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PaulePanterThe strangest thing it it worked the last times I tried it. But now it doesn’t.15:56
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rangoyHi. anyone who knows if it is possible to route incomming calls to another phone via SIP (or any other voip solution)?15:59
rangoyin android, it's hard to get access to the radio stack. how is this in the jolla world?16:00
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chem|stcehteh: ehrm devel-mode is root+ssh+terminal?! so you want the terminal be gone?16:07
chem|stcehteh: I would like to have it enable/disable without internet connection16:07
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cehtehchem|st: i've installed the terminal separately16:08
cehtehbut i think ssh has much more value even for normal users who dont want devel mode, thats why i think it should be enabled (or enableable) by default16:09
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phlixicehteh: but that is devmode16:33
cehtehnot exactly16:34
phlixii read that as, you want devmode to be available without internet connection, rather than not having to activate devmode16:34
phlixidont forget, that with ssh you open a door on your radio for everybody16:35
cehtehi want a sshd_config which i can edit independent from devmode .. disable password login completely, enable root login16:35
phlixi...with a typical password of a random facetuber like "123456" its a pretty bad idea to have that on by default16:35
cehtehyes16:35
phlixibut you seem to be knowing what you are doing. whats wrong with having to activate this in the first place?16:36
cehtehthats why i want sshd independent activateable from devmode16:36
cehtehfor other users this would be useful as well .. hey even a windows 'jolla suite' could just hide rsync/ssh behind some nice gui16:36
phlixiafaik there is no such thing16:37
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cehtehthat would be *much* more awesome than any other shit transfer software other vendors ship for their phones16:37
cehteh'could'16:37
Yanielheck you could grab rsync/ssh from msys16:38
cehtehi am talking about noob friendly16:38
cehtehmyself .. linux only and i know what i am doing16:38
cehtehbut file transfer which is secure and safe .. and integrated in windows .. (winscp?) ...16:39
cehtehhey thats better than anything else i know16:39
phlixicehteh: only about you, personally, is it really a bad thing for you to push a button (once!) in order to get sshd?16:40
cehtehlook at this crap samsung kies or whatever16:40
Yanielyes but you could grab the sw from msys and wrap it in a qt form or whatever16:40
cehtehfor me its barely ok .. i hate that it tinkers with the sshd configuration16:40
cehtehanyway, its pointless because it wont happen16:41
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phlixibut once you had pushed the button, you can do whatever config you want. or am i mistaken?16:45
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cehtehhavent tried that much yet .. but i suspect disabling/reenabling devel mode will trash custom config? .. system upgrades as well16:46
phlixiwhy would you ever want to disable devmode again?16:46
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cehtehcan i remove the password from devmode?16:48
cehtehok disable password login in sshd config would be enough16:48
cehtehanyway .. not for me .. i saied that because i was thinking with little effort this could be good for causual users16:49
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phlixiand i think it is perfect as it is for casual users, since they can not break stuff16:50
phlixibeeing root means you can easily break stuff16:51
phlixiand having sshd with weak password... well, very bad idea16:51
Yanielthe default should be password logins disabled, root logins disabled16:51
cehtehthen w/o root but still ssh16:51
phlixino16:51
phlixifrom mac you know its a jolla16:51
phlixiroot has default pasword, thus having a user login is like having root16:52
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phlixiof course, in theory such thing as a suite which does sftp under the hood, yeah, that would be nice for average joe. and in this case, mabe it would need some sort of sshd. but there is no such thing for now.16:54
phlixiand i personally prefer existing specialized tools. thus i use filezilla. no need for another "suite" to handle files16:55
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phlixirather than developing such suite, i would prefer some kind of emulating of a block device (but very low priority, there a re 100 things way more important)16:59
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phlixithat would be better than mtp16:59
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cehtehhttp://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Internet-Traffic-Android-baut-Dominanz-aus-3096384.html    no pie in the chart for jolla :D17:24
cehteh(ok maybe 1% from 'other')17:25
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pdanekhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/images-of-meizu-pro-5-with-ubuntu-touch-leaked-online-499707.shtml17:47
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chem|stcehteh: and as soon as you get a shell it is dev mode and jolla needs to say "if you do this you may void your warranty" and what is ssh+root so different from ssh+root+terminal17:55
chem|stand normal users do not need root17:55
chem|stthey maybe need sftp to /home/nemo17:56
cehtehyes .. could even be restricted to sftp scp rsync17:56
chem|stand to single out sshd for such purpose is already asked on tjc, and well you can always depend on sshd with your app17:57
chem|stcehteh: you can just make a package that depends on it, so that can be a community effort, does not need jolla to do that17:57
cehtehssh has a lot features to lock things down17:57
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chem|stssh is pretty locked down on sfos17:58
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cehtehwould be nice if one could disable the password and paste a pubkey into the 'devel mode' settings17:59
chem|stnot as much as you wish probably but that is considered "advanced"17:59
chem|stcehteh: people at that lvl can already just do that... stupiod requesting that in a gui18:00
chem|stit is much easier to not use the phone to setup ssh-keys18:00
cehtehk18:00
chem|stand most of all, how do I read the ssh key to my phone to then paste it?18:01
chem|stphlixi: as it will be more and more wireless these days, sshfs is much more convinient, for on the road, am I crazy and plug my phone into strangers computers and unlock?18:05
chem|stfor compatibility I'd like to have webdav with some management18:06
Yanielmake the suite app display its ssh key as a qr-code18:06
cehtehi have usb as 'charge only' ..18:07
chem|stYaniel: what suite18:07
Yanielthe hypothetical one18:07
chem|stYaniel: that is the wrong way round18:07
chem|stYaniel: the suite needs to be ran on sfos18:07
chem|strun18:07
cehtehjust run samba on the phone :D18:08
chem|stYaniel: with the suite being on the phone any browser will work and you do not even need any ssh set up for that18:08
chem|stcehteh: really, that coming out of your mouth?18:08
cehtehthat WAS A JOKE!18:08
phlixichem|st: of course not. its just that "behaving like a block device" is super campatible, like plugin it into everything that acceppts fat usb drives, like cheap radios or whatever... (i asume you refered to the block device thing i said)18:08
chem|stcehteh: :D18:09
Yanielwell if you want to go that way about it18:09
chem|stphlixi: MTP is super compatible with the company that designed it, just not on their systems^^18:09
phlixichem|st: no, mtp is just crap18:09
chem|stphlixi: read again! :D18:09
phlixii am on windows18:10
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cehtehphlixi: there are some security implications with that, but i once had the idea too of a virtual FAT server ... plug device in and you see a FAT filesystem as storage device18:10
phlixiit IS worst crap i know18:10
chem|stphlixi: and again18:10
cehtehwhich is just virtual, but any actions on that reflect through the real FS18:10
chem|stphlixi: read teh whole line!18:10
phlixichem|st: then i dont get it18:10
chem|stphlixi: it does not work on windows18:11
cehtehit doesnt work on linux either18:11
phlixichem|st: well, then it is considered crap18:11
chem|stit does not fcking work on the OS by the company that designed it18:11
cehtehand the spec is complicated .. but still lacks the most basic things18:11
phlixiif something is that bad, that it even does not work on windows, what does it tellyou?18:11
chem|stphlixi: I have 3 differnt windwos versions, none of them works18:12
phlixiyou know what does work everywhere out of the box? usb drives...18:12
chem|stnot with my former android tablet not with Jolla18:12
chem|stphlixi: linux otoh does work with both now18:12
kjetilhoMTP allows concurrent access (like NFS).  a block device must have exclusive use18:12
sobukusBut MTP really not fun to use.18:13
chem|stkjetilho: there are ways to have teh client see it as block device18:13
phlixikjetilho: thats why i was talking about emulating it. i know why implenmentations on n9/00 are bad...18:13
cehtehthe best here was once a Inkjet printer .. connected to a windows 98 computer (yes that story is years ago) ... EVERY computer in the network, even the linuxes could print on that printer18:13
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cehtehbut it was impossible to print locally from the windows 98 to the printer connected directly to that box18:13
phlixi^^18:13
cehtehthats windows :D18:14
phlixiwell, my printer works great (on windows)18:14
chem|stcehteh: reminds me of win98 wanted to be MASTER on any network you plugged it into, no matter what was there18:14
cehtehon another box i managed to get a resource conflict on the mouse driver .. move the mouse -> bluescreen :D18:15
phlixito be fair, when w98 was new shit, it was pretty much impossible to print on linux18:15
chem|stphlixi: some "windows" hardware works better on linux, incl but not limited to my scanner, printer, phones18:15
cehtehlpd worked 20 years before w9818:15
cehtehjust not windows gdi printers18:15
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cehtehand scanners back that time where scsi and worked out of the box on linux ..18:16
phlixii was thinking of somethign that could do more than just print line18:16
chem|stphlixi: printers have been unix before win3.11 was able to print...18:16
kjetilhophlixi: eh, PostScript is from the 80s18:16
cehtehexactly18:17
cehtehthat was far beyond the windows printing capabilities18:17
chem|stPDP11 has printer support of all kinds18:17
chem|stthat is even pre-dos18:17
cehtehpostscript printers where just expensive then18:17
chem|stcehteh: enough "there is someone wrong on the internets" :)18:18
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chem|stI have that gear at work, stylus printers for the win18:18
phlixiof course you can find an argument if you misunderstand what i say on purpose... i actually ran linux in 1996 and know that it was pretty pain to print something, compared to windows18:19
chem|stthat thing can print that print-stream protocol from the 70s, is like a line by line feeding18:20
chem|stphlixi: on windows hardware yes18:20
phlixichem|st: that does not make sense18:20
chem|stconsumer HW for a couple of bucks never spoke PS18:20
phlixips is software18:21
chem|stphlixi: the printers, consumer printers... never spoke PS, that is hardware for me too you know...18:21
phlixii had a mannesmann laserprinter, that of course did ps18:22
phlixinot gdi18:22
chem|stI have an epson LQ you can feed close to anything, I think it even eats that typwriter language18:22
phlixiin the end, mtp simply sucks18:25
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chem|stphlixi: yes18:25
* cehteh wants mobile with ipv6 and static IP on the phone .. then ssh from anywhere!18:26
phlixiisnt that what hostnames are for?18:26
cehtehwho likes constant dns updates .. biut mmkay18:27
cehtehanyway  .. nowaday mobile networks are crappy nat'ed ipv418:27
cehtehor does anyone give out native v6?18:27
cehtehvpn with some reverse tunnel works. but thats ugly too18:28
phlixiand yes, vpn18:28
phlixinot sure why that is ugly, isnt it preferable to be always in the home network? :D18:29
cehtehugly to set up and ugly performance18:29
chem|stcehteh: a stable vpn to home is usually the better way than having it hooked to the outside18:29
phlixiand all the dirty pipes you go through are only, well, dirty pipes18:29
chem|stto many places to lock down and supervise18:29
cehtehyes thats the bright side of vpn .. even loosing connection or reconnect to another network .. vpn is still up18:30
chem|stbut yes static IPs make life easier18:30
cehtehpeer to peer between phones etc18:30
chem|stI don't care much about it as I have static IPs at work and dyndns at home18:31
chem|stand when I am otg, I do not need to access my phone remote, as that is localhost^^18:32
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pdanekhttp://www.talkandroid.com/283568-tri-drops-android-for-sailfish-os-turing-phone/21:43
pdanekOfficial SFOS phone!21:44
pdanekNot a community port.21:44
pdanekWhat a news!21:44
stephgpdanek: where've you been ;P21:46
M4rtinKI still see this as quite controversial21:47
taaemthat's been out for half a week now but did Jolla actually confirm that?21:47
M4rtinKeq. if they will ever actually deliver something21:47
the_mgttaaem: one article states that they asked jolla oy and they confirmed21:48
taaemthe_mgt: any link?21:48
M4rtinKalso changing the os mid-way through a preorder can be arguably seen as negative by some of the people who have preordered the phone21:48
pdanekit's official, they have it on their official web in specs.... not as dualboot, as as only OS21:49
pdanekhttps://www.turingphone.com/21:49
pdanekand they claim it will run Android apps so proper official port21:50
pdanekis that the big news that Jolla has mentioned to come with soon?21:50
pdanekstephg: yep, I missed those news, a bit busy in my new job21:50
taaemfunny how on the website they're still mentioning that they run a custom UI...21:51
phlixiand to be honest, those pictures look quite ugly21:51
M4rtinKwell, they also claim it will have google play21:51
pdanekno they don't21:51
M4rtinKwhich sounds ultra fishy21:51
pdanekthey claim it will have alternative Android store21:51
phlixithe fake screenshots21:51
M4rtinKgiven how Google uses play as a locking device21:52
till5.5"... phew21:52
the_mgttaaem: hm, I do not find any clue in my browser history, I might have misremembered it21:52
pdanekthe verge says it's "terrible news" for Turing phone21:52
M4rtinKhmm, I remember seeing it somewhere21:53
Nicd-pdanek: well Jolla and Sailfish are not exactly everyone's favorite choices right now21:53
M4rtinKcould be noise or unofficial sources21:53
pdanekM4rtinK: yep21:53
pdanekthey stated alternative Android store21:53
r0kk3rzpdanek: hard to get too excited over a company that hasnt shipped a phone before21:54
Nicd-people paid for Android on the phone and now they're getting this niche system from a company that has mostly been in the news lately due to failures21:54
M4rtinKor they might be talking about the reimplementation of the Google play services that Cyanogen mod has been working on21:54
phlixiof course its bad news for the average sheep... they dont get the shiny bling bling where they pay with their data around the clock... shiny gmail, for free, yay21:54
pdanek"The Turing Phone will still be able to run Android Apps on the  Sailfish OS without issue. An Android application store will be  available for you to download your favorite apps."21:54
M4rtinKI learned to disregard those mainstream websites21:54
taaempdanek: the verge is quite iOS-ish lately21:55
M4rtinKtheir stuff is IMHO either utterly random/whim-based or outright paid by the highest bidder21:55
phlixithanks M4rtinK, couldnt say it better21:56
pdanek the only problem is that Turing phone looks incredibly ugly21:56
M4rtinKnp :)21:56
Nicd-phlixi: most people just want it to work and not be vaporware. SFOS nearly fails on both counts currently :P21:56
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phlixiyep, thats sad21:56
the_mgtpdanek: agreed on the uglyness21:56
M4rtinKits oozing with hip21:58
the_mgtbut most web news sites, even highly technical ones, didn't think that (yet another) linux on a mobilephone was the biggest invention since the potatoe21:58
phlixiif someone with out taste tries to make something really exclusive and expensive, and if it should be a phone, maybe it will look like the turing phone21:58
the_mgtwhen the original jolla phone came out, i was surprised by the media silence21:58
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the_mgtespecially compared to the hype the jolla fans created on the few blogs, etc. I mean look at the release party. and in the media, almost nothing21:59
r0kk3rzthe_mgt: most media is focussed on the US market, which the Jolla phone didnt sell in21:59
the_mgtr0kk3rz: german media isn't, and we can almost swim over to scandinavia22:00
r0kk3rzthe_mgt: this is true22:00
the_mgtheise and golem had some articles, but it was more like "ah, look, how odd, next news please"22:00
Nicd-Finland is not a part of scandinavia :P22:00
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phliximy impression is that golem puts out a news everytime there is something newsworthy22:01
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the_mgtNicd-: and we couldnt really swim over to finland, neither.22:01
Nicd-you could walk!22:02
the_mgttrue22:02
phlixi...and heise... they had a multiple pages special about the TOHKB2 in their print thingy c't22:03
the_mgtphlixi: I try to avoid golem. but I read heise media a few times a week, and it was only on tjc that I accidently stumbled over the turing phone22:03
phlixihttp://www.golem.de/specials/jolla/22:03
taaembut the german sites aren't nearly as negative as the US ones22:06
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the_mgtthey are quite sober. there is no hype. "look at this odd thing here"22:08
r0kk3rzits not even that far, you could totally swim to finland22:09
taaemthe_mgt: true but i should be quiet i don't even have a Jolla22:09
the_mgtwhich is understandable, since most linux on mobile phone ventures died a slow death. or never were born. like openmoko or samsungs stuff22:10
taaem*hust* Tizen *hust*22:10
r0kk3rzthe_mgt: i hear Tizen is doing well in india22:10
fzkwho said openmoko22:11
r0kk3rzsomething like a million tizen devices a quarter, which is pretty good22:11
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taaemr0kk3rz: probably more than all Sailfish OS devices out there :/22:11
M4rtinKI still have a FreeRunner :)22:12
r0kk3rztaaem: certainly so, there is less than 1m sailfish devices for sure22:12
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the_mgtI would loved to have an enlightenment17 driven phone in 201022:13
phlixiare there any figures besides what you can see as installs of android support in harbour?22:13
the_mgtin fact I used one on the cebit in 2011 or so22:13
taaemphlixi: nothing official afaik22:14
phlixiand inofficial?22:14
taaemalso not besides what you mentioned22:15
pdanekso what do we have on horizon? only Turing and Intex? anything else?22:17
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phlixiand hope22:17
phlixi:D22:17
r0kk3rzfairphone22:17
r0kk3rzpuzzle phone22:17
pdanekFairphone and Puzzlephone will be community ports22:17
pdanekdoesn't count22:17
r0kk3rzi wouldnt be so sure about that22:17
taaemso much hope22:17
pdanekr0kk3rz: both community ports without official Android support,confirmed22:18
taaempdanek: hopefully we get paid app support in Harbour and then Alien Dalvik for all22:18
r0kk3rzpdanek: you know its a lot less work on jolla to convert a well functioning community port to a proper licenced port right?22:19
pdanekhmm, right22:19
phlixiit would love to see official fairphone ports22:20
phlixi(and support for paying in harbor)22:20
pdanekbut fairphone has the raised edges, that can't work well with Salfish gestures22:20
r0kk3rzspeaking to keesj, fairphone are planning proper support for many different operating systems22:20
r0kk3rzkeesj being the lead software guy for fairphone22:20
mal-pdanek: it works quite ok in my opinion22:21
pdanekmal-: enough space to swype from sides?22:21
M4rtinKwell, I think the official/unofficial difference could less of an issue given the recent advances in OSS Android emulation22:21
mal-pdanek: yes22:21
phlixiM4rtinK: true :-)22:21
M4rtinKas that's basically the main/only difference IMHO22:22
mal-pdanek: as the main porter for fp2 I think I have used that the most and haven't had problems with the sides22:22
pdanekmal-: good to hear22:22
r0kk3rzpdanek: ive also held a sfos fp2, its fine22:23
phlixii remember the "bumper" of the n9 as beeing really bad22:23
pdanekthe sides remind me my old N900 in Otterbox case22:23
phlixi...in regards to sqype22:23
pdanekthe Otterbox case for N900 was quite decent22:23
phlixiswype*22:23
taaemBut the main differences between ports and official is android support and official OTAs that aren't involving the commandline i think and exchange sync22:23
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taaemi can say sailfish is really nice with 2D glass like the iPhone has22:24
M4rtinKum, wasn't the N9 basically made for swipe ?22:24
mal-we'll if we can find some way make UI for OTA on ported phones22:24
mal-+see22:24
phlixiM4rtinK: sure, but with the bumper, its terrible22:25
M4rtinKlike the glass is slightly curved and stuff22:25
M4rtinKoh that thing22:25
phlixiyep22:25
M4rtinKdon't use it :)22:25
pdanekWhy the hell has Turing phone some "Wallaby Magstream" port instead of MicroUSB?22:25
phlixiwithout umper:i think best formfactor ever22:25
M4rtinKsecurity by obscurity :)22:25
phlixilol22:26
the_mgtpdanek: for escurity reasons? it is not penetratable. no headphone and no sdcard, either22:26
phlixiunusable due to bumper22:26
the_mgtalso, waterproofness22:26
M4rtinKyeah and that's also bullshit :)22:26
pdanekthe_mgt: wait wait..... turing has no 3.5mm jack? only that one port?22:26
r0kk3rzwallabys are famous for their weatherproofness22:26
r0kk3rzand all round indestructabillity22:26
M4rtinKthere are waterproof jacks as well as waterproof USB ports22:26
the_mgtpdanek: yep, but they pack a bt headphone in the box22:26
pdanekTuring is no go then22:27
M4rtinKwell, good luck finding a charger in the wild22:27
pdanekit's ugly anyway22:27
the_mgtthat is what i was thinking, M4rtinK22:27
pdaneklet's hope Intex will be decent22:27
taaemhope is all we have22:27
pdanekactually.... I take any Intex22:27
pdanekeven just 2GB ram22:27
M4rtinKstill can help against usb killers, flashing attacks & hid devices hiding in chargers22:28
phlixihow much has the jp1301?22:28
r0kk3rztaaem: thats not true, you could contribute to glacier or porting phones or something22:28
phlixi(ram)22:28
M4rtinKas no one would probably bother with these for a non mainstream connector22:28
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: +122:28
M4rtinKor <advertisement>Universal Components</advertisement> ;-)22:29
pdanekbasically Jolla has become unusable for me due to lack of ram22:29
pdanekgive me anything with 2GB+ and I will be OK again22:29
pdanek3GB ideally22:29
fzksolder?22:29
phlixii have no idea what you do to your phone, i never had the feeling the jolla has not enough ram22:29
taaemr0kk3rz: I'm the porter of the Oneplus X22:29
the_mgtit is more the physical build I am dissatisfied with. and that relates to ram22:29
pdanekphlixi: then you don't multitask enough :D22:30
taaemOPX has 3GB \o/22:30
M4rtinKphlixi: try to use the browser a bit :)22:30
the_mgtthe battery connector issue sometimes affects ram and then apps get closed or dont even open22:30
phlixii have 40 tabs open.22:30
phlixino problem22:30
fzkwait until mwc, hopefully intex will show off something with more juice22:30
M4rtinKI had it killed by OOM killer when clicking on a link on a web pages many times22:30
the_mgtrecently, the sdcard had issues. then there are simcard issues at times22:30
pdanekphlixi: background Android apps on jolla, that's what ate all my memory22:30
M4rtinKor even funnier - when switching from portrait to landscape :D22:31
pdanekphlixi: android apps in background: viber, telegram, line, whatsapp, skype, hangouts, gmail + sometimes running twitch in background... jolla browser, some couple more jolla apps22:32
M4rtinKBTW, another possible plus point of new hardware - hopefully no btrfs22:32
pdanekphlixi: oh and I forgot IRC22:32
phlixipdanek: i doubt that doubliing ram will help you22:32
pdanekbasically all those communicators are running for me constantly22:32
pdanekphlixi:  then maybe tripling will22:32
M4rtinKphlixi: I meet with oom killer quite often just by running twablet, clock & browser22:32
pdanekI have no problem on my 2GB Nexus 522:32
M4rtinKall there regularly get killed22:33
phlixiwell, i guess that is what apple had in mind when they "invented" push for their os... (and wasnt there something similar for the n900? maybe with the name of a small animal?)22:33
taaemphlixi: you mean like gcm?22:34
phlixitaaem: i have no idea what gcm is22:34
pdanekguys22:36
pdanekWill Intex phone receive updates from Jolla?22:36
pdanekor the updates will be pushed by Intex with some delay?22:36
r0kk3rzpdanek: why would they do that?22:36
taaemphlixi: google cloud messaging, works like this server -> google cloud server -> google play services -> starts the app and posts the notification22:36
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phlixii never had the idea that the updates would not come directly ota from jolla (aplle/windows style) since its one usp that the jolla gets frequent updates22:37
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pdanekright22:37
phlixihowever, there is nothing with substances that backs this asumption, thus it is surely possible its more "google style"22:38
pdanekso Intex could be good choice22:38
pdanekI guess any of us can find Indian friend / colleague with family back in India to reship the phone22:38
pdanekI already secured my guy, ready to order from snapdeal :D22:38
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pdanekand with Intex cheap prices.... who cares about no warranty etc.22:39
taaemshouldn't intex be available internationally?22:40
taaemi remeber somebody said that22:40
taaempdanek: ^22:41
fzknow when youre talking updates, do you think people that get the tablet will get any updates?22:41
taaemfzk: why not?22:41
fzkwell, since they "killed it"22:41
the_mgtI heard there already were tablet updates22:41
the_mgtisn't it always a questio of trust? when I bought my Nokia C7, they claimed to offer 4 major updates until 201622:42
the_mgtwho could have foreseen that they were going down the drain that fast22:43
pdanekthe_mgt: Symbian doesn't get any updates anymore?22:43
phlixilol22:43
pdanekI thought they do some minor, security updates or something22:44
the_mgtI thought all nokia servers were shut down22:44
fzksymbian was probably the nicest ive used22:44
fzk(before good touch phones started coming)22:44
the_mgtanyway, there was one proper major update to symbian^3, the second one b0rked what was good in the first one. I guess they were called anna and belle. the two others never came22:45
the_mgtand belle was more of a hack job, in my opinion22:45
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