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| lpotter | belle was only half finished, really | 00:34 |
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| coderus | yeah belle was the last efforts to bring qt and qml in da house | 06:27 |
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| pp__ | yea, they tried something like 3-4 different approaches | 06:38 |
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| lpotter | it was just released before it was ready | 07:24 |
| lpotter | because developing for symbian was crap | 07:25 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi lpotter | 07:26 |
| lpotter | hello | 07:26 |
| Helle | lpotter: which given it's history is quite surprising, developing for EPOC was "fine" | 07:26 |
| dr_gogeta86 | the m10 stock ? or modified for libhybris? | 07:26 |
| Helle | (and I need to pickup either a new Psion 5MX or a new Psion 5MX screen, given that I still use one as a hardwire emergency terminal when doing router configs) | 07:27 |
| lpotter | one word: silos | 07:28 |
| Helle | and the screen has some cracks (not that they interfere, but still) | 07:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | lpotter: ? | 07:30 |
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| lpotter | dr_gogeta86: nokia was built on silos. even per device was mostly an individual endeavor | 07:44 |
| lpotter | as in, a fix for one phone might not make it into another one | 07:44 |
| pp_ | symbian source code was interesting yes :-) | 07:45 |
| pp_ | #ifdef THISMODEL <handle keyboard quirks> | 07:45 |
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| tbr | it was a maze of code branches all alike | 07:52 |
| jonwil | I remember pulling the Symbian source code (back when it was available) and it was nearly impossible to even identify what each of the modules were actually for | 07:55 |
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| lpotter | sounds about right | 08:13 |
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| the_mgt | hm, Maru OS. history repeats itself | 09:26 |
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| the_mgt | remindes me of the Atrix with Lapdock | 09:27 |
| Helle | mmmm | 09:28 |
| the_mgt | I still own one and always wanted to reflash it with sailfish. just need to find the lapdock again | 09:28 |
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| fzk | when china invades the world we dont need to worry anymore, then there will be only red flag linux | 09:37 |
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| Shoggoth | hi! I’ve just managed to upgrade my shiny new Jolla phone to v2.0.0.10… I’m quite pleased with the update however I did quite like to original v1 background on the home screen | 10:18 |
| Shoggoth | Are the v1 stock images available somewhere? | 10:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | Shoggoth: i think someone dumped them somewhere | 10:24 |
| r0kk3rz | Shoggoth: https://together.jolla.com/question/108517/can-i-get-my-original-moonship-ambience-back/ | 10:25 |
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| Shoggoth | Thanks for the link… unfortunetly the follow-on link with the “moonship” image gives a 404 :( | 10:26 |
| r0kk3rz | oh | 10:26 |
| Shoggoth | I’ve found the source tar balls for earlier versions; perhaps they’re inside one of them | 10:26 |
| Shoggoth | They’re quite large though so it’ll take some time to d/l | 10:27 |
| sharpneli | They removed moonship? Fug! | 10:27 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like the jollawalls site has been discontinued | 10:27 |
| Shoggoth | Well either that or I’m blind… (could be the latter ;) | 10:27 |
| Shoggoth | It’s not on archive.org either | 10:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | if you're good with command line you can always mount the recovery snapshot and transfer the images that way | 10:33 |
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| Shoggoth | r0kk3rz: I can’t find the recovery snapshots… where are they located? | 10:38 |
| Shoggoth | please don’t say in ~nemo/.vault because I’ve looked there | 10:38 |
| roboro | in ~/.vault | 10:39 |
| roboro | :D | 10:39 |
| Shoggoth | strange… I did take a backup for every upgrade…. | 10:39 |
| r0kk3rz | not backup, snapshot | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | ie. btrfs snapshot | 10:40 |
| roboro | tbh: I'm not that clued up on the backup stuff... | 10:40 |
| Shoggoth | does the upgrade process do that automatically? | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | no, its the recovery process | 10:41 |
| roboro | when do the snapshots get created? | 10:41 |
| r0kk3rz | its part of the factory image | 10:42 |
| Shoggoth | ok… so let me ask a different question.... | 10:42 |
| Shoggoth | I found the source to all the releases here (http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/) | 10:43 |
| Shoggoth | Is there another official place to download the actual binary images so that you could flash old versions of the firmware back onto the device? | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | Shoggoth: nope | 10:44 |
| Shoggoth | bugger | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | we have zero flashable images | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | new, old, or otherwise | 10:44 |
| Shoggoth | why so? | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | blobs that jolla cannot distribute | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | well, outside of the device anyway | 10:45 |
| Shoggoth | ahhh… of course…. it’s the thing that drives me nuts about open source projects…. stupid companies getting thier panties in a knot over nonsense | 10:45 |
| Shoggoth | :) | 10:45 |
| r0kk3rz | mostly hardware vendors | 10:45 |
| Shoggoth | and I don’t me Jolla being stupid… I mean the component manufacturers | 10:45 |
| Shoggoth | yep them | 10:45 |
| roboro | and stuff like the android dalvik stuff | 10:46 |
| fzk | let me check | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla has its own half open half closed line its walking atm | 10:46 |
| Shoggoth | yes… sadly the main reason I ended up buying a Jolla phone as they aren’t available in my country… I was originally going to install it on some kind of samsung device until I found out about the android compatibility only being licensed for the actual Jolla unit | 10:47 |
| r0kk3rz | i think they're working on changing that | 10:47 |
| Shoggoth | Has anyone here taken a look at those source tar balls I linked to earlier.... | 10:47 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think the pictures are in there afaik, but i can look when i get home | 10:48 |
| Shoggoth | ok…. I don’t want to d/l them whilst I’m at home becuase the slow connection between my house and finland :) | 10:48 |
| fzk | im gonna take a look on one i happened to have | 10:50 |
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| Shoggoth | This page (https://together.jolla.com/question/50986/howto-how-to-revert-to-an-earlier-sailfish-os-version/) seems to indicate that you can downgrade to a previous version… a bit drastic but I might try it next weekend | 10:51 |
| r0kk3rz | Shoggoth: it would involve factory resetting, and then not upgrading all the way | 10:52 |
| r0kk3rz | which basically sets your phone back to the state in the btrfs snapshot | 10:52 |
| pp_ | if you just need one rpm you can probably poke around the repos | 10:52 |
| stephg | or an older version of the sdk | 10:53 |
| Shoggoth | r0kk3rz: are you saying that the version that the phone shipped with is still there somewhere and I can access it by factory resetting the phone? | 10:54 |
| Shoggoth | pp_: can you point me at a base URL? | 10:54 |
| Shoggoth | stephg: thanks I’ll take a look | 10:54 |
| stephg | Shoggoth: well if all you want is the background | 10:54 |
| stephg | mount the snapshot volume and go hunting? | 10:54 |
| pp_ | https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.1.9.28/jolla/armv7hl/ | 10:54 |
| pp_ | (releases-origin.jolla.com) | 10:55 |
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| Shoggoth | woot! | 11:27 |
| Shoggoth | Does this channel get logged? | 11:28 |
| stephg | Shoggoth: thought it did but apparently not | 11:30 |
| stephg | oh no | 11:30 |
| stephg | it does | 11:30 |
| stephg | http://bit.ly/JIcRDm | 11:30 |
| Shoggoth | ok.. cool; I managed to get my moonship theme back (and all the others from v1) so I’ll paste the few lines of shell in channel so that the next poor shmuck who wants to know will be able to find it :) | 11:31 |
| Shoggoth | so … as root run the following | 11:31 |
| Shoggoth | mkdir /mnt/tmp | 11:31 |
| Shoggoth | mount -o defaults,subvol=/ /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/tmp | 11:31 |
| Shoggoth | rsync -aHSPv /mnt/tmp/factory-\@/usr/share/ambience /home/nemo/v1/ | 11:31 |
| Shoggoth | umount /mnt/tmp | 11:31 |
| Shoggoth | rmdir /mnt/tmp | 11:31 |
| pp_ | clever :-) | 11:32 |
| pp_ | mount -o ro probably too :-) | 11:32 |
| Shoggoth | you can then move the resulting ambience’s into /usr/share/ambience and restart the phone; you can then select any of the old ambience’s as if they were part of the factory | 11:32 |
| Shoggoth | yep probably should have done that…. nvm | 11:32 |
| Shoggoth | :) | 11:32 |
| stephg | there's an outside chance by putting them in /usr/share/ambience that they'll get clobbered in an update | 11:33 |
| stephg | but I'd say it's unlikely | 11:33 |
| Shoggoth | stephg: maybe… but then they can re-run the commands again :) | 11:33 |
| stephg | true :) or copy them to ~nemo/Pictures | 11:34 |
| Shoggoth | stephg: that could work except will the *.ambience files that set colours etc. work from there? | 11:35 |
| stephg | well you can copy one now to ~nemo/Pictures andd make an ambience from that see what it does with the colours | 11:36 |
| Shoggoth | stephg: maybe… I’ll leave that to the next guy ;) | 11:37 |
| stephg | hehe | 11:37 |
| Shoggoth | btw… I downloaded the “warehouse” and “roamer” apps from openrepos because I couldn’t get 802.1X access with v1 …. do I still need that? | 11:38 |
| Shoggoth | ie. does v2 support 802.1X enterprise? | 11:38 |
| r0kk3rz | Shoggoth: search around on tjc, although i think there are several probably outdated threads on this topic | 11:41 |
| Shoggoth | tjc? | 11:41 |
| Shoggoth | the jolla connection? | 11:42 |
| Shoggoth | nevermind; together.jolla.com | 11:42 |
| Shoggoth | :) | 11:42 |
| Shoggoth | one more question before I leave you good folk at home.... | 11:43 |
| Shoggoth | my uni campus has recently moved away from gmail to microsoft | 11:43 |
| Shoggoth | the web mail is via http://portal.office.com | 11:44 |
| Shoggoth | can I use the exchange app to access my emails or do I treat it like an old fashioned IMAP service via the “general email” account button? | 11:45 |
| Shoggoth | s/at home/alone/ | 11:45 |
| r0kk3rz | Shoggoth: this sounds like a question for your uni IT guys | 11:46 |
| Shoggoth | r0kk3rz: heh…. if they saw the phone they’d just tell me to go away… ie. if it’s not android or iphone tough luck | 11:47 |
| tappel | hmm, sent my phone to be repaired | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | surely they can understand 'Exchange or IMAP' | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | if they cant, they arent very good IT guys | 11:47 |
| Shoggoth | but I’ll ask them anyway…. just thought maybe someone in channel might have had a similar experience | 11:47 |
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| tappel | but all this talk about jolla tricks makes me wonder if there's a way to add "switch to silent" / "switch to sounds on" to the lock screen pulley menu in SfOS 2 | 11:48 |
| tappel | I really miss this functionality from 1.x | 11:48 |
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| pp_ | can't remember how I configured mine, but I get "power off", "silent" and "work" when flicking from the top | 11:50 |
| tappel | in SfOS 2 it's apparently always done with ambiences, so it should probably just toggle between silent and the default ambience or something | 11:50 |
| tappel | yes it works from the top edge swipe ambience switch screen | 11:50 |
| tappel | but the pulley menu only has things like "phone" "camera" etc | 11:51 |
| pp_ | yea, just have those too starred and it's pretty ok | 11:51 |
| tappel | if the "toggle silent" was there I could do that without looking at the phone | 11:51 |
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| Shoggoth | woot! turns out the exchange type worked :) | 11:54 |
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| fzk | usually microsoft exchange lets you run mapi | 12:08 |
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| fzk | btw, you can run mapi against google too | 12:12 |
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| Shoggoth | pp_, r0kk3rz, roboro, stephg : thankyou all for your help… I’ve now got my phone setup for just about everything I need including may favourite android game :) | 12:15 |
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| stephg | Shoggoth: good stuff | 14:00 |
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| lainwir3d | turing phone... wait what ? | 14:48 |
| ggabriel | what about it? | 14:50 |
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| lainwir3d | ggabriel: apparently announced they are going for sailfishos | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | they did apparently | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | there's a lot of talk and very little news ;) | 14:53 |
| stephg | ggabriel: shouldn't you be skiing :P | 14:53 |
| stephg | oh it's late now | 14:54 |
| lainwir3d | awesome ggabriel skying skills : irc while skying :P | 14:54 |
| ggabriel | stephg: not yet... in ~10 days | 14:54 |
| stephg | ah | 14:55 |
| stephg | but you're in .jp now tho yeah? | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | no, i'm still in the uk | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | I said I have the trip coming up - that's next week | 14:55 |
| ggabriel | :) | 14:55 |
| stephg | aaaah | 14:56 |
| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: have fun, .jp is an awesome place | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | thanks r0kk3rz | 14:56 |
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| phlixi_o | ... 2016-01-19: 2.0.1.7 Early access release ... | 16:39 |
| phlixi_o | ..any ideas when this will be "regular access release"? | 16:40 |
| phlixi_o | and what is official term for "regular access release"? :D | 16:40 |
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| ggabriel | phlixi_o: you mean like GA? | 16:41 |
| phlixi_o | GA? | 16:41 |
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| ggabriel | and EA becomes GA when the testing cycle is complete | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | general availability | 16:41 |
| phlixi_o | general accesSS? | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | or general access | 16:41 |
| phlixi_o | ok | 16:41 |
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| stephg | it's been EA for a few weeks now, no? | 16:42 |
| stephg | so hopefully s00n | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | somebody posted a question on tjc about that and it was nicely responded to by a jolla employee | 16:42 |
| phlixi_o | so, any ideas when "2016-01-19: 2.0.1.7 Early access release" will become "GA"? its unusuall old | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | but in general, you have to be patient | 16:42 |
| phlixi_o | let me guess... "soon"? :D | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | or switch your account to EA if you can't wait | 16:42 |
| phlixi_o | i was just curios, i remember the timespan to be around one week or so | 16:42 |
| M4rtinK | well | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | depends on many things | 16:43 |
| M4rtinK | there is like half the people now in Jolla | 16:43 |
| phlixi_o | but jan. 19th is way older than 1 week | 16:43 |
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| ggabriel | i'm personally happier with an EA release well tested than an "agile" deadline | 16:43 |
| M4rtinK | so I would expect thing to roughly take twice as long, at least | 16:44 |
| M4rtinK | also MWC coming up | 16:44 |
| M4rtinK | so they might want to time GA together with MWC | 16:44 |
| M4rtinK | or don't actually want GA before/during MWC ;-) | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | haha, EA seems ok tho | 16:44 |
| phlixi_o | they showed a tablet last year on mwc, i gues there is no problem in showing super early access at mwc then^^ | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | I haven't seen nor experienced major faults with it | 16:45 |
| phlixi_o | then i guess its mwc delaying the update. and i will assume its a good sign, because there might be somethign to present at mwc | 16:47 |
| * phlixi_o just dreams | 16:47 | |
| phlixi_o | :) | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | maybe ;) | 16:48 |
| eugenio | I guess this is holding the GA release: https://together.jolla.com/question/128005/bug201taalojarvi-auto-ignoring-incoming-connection/ | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | oh, fair enough, I don't have a sim card in my EA phone | 16:49 |
| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: sounds like you should be in cbeta if you have a spare phone | 16:50 |
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| stephg | hey I bought two phones | 16:52 |
| * stephg patiently waits for collectors-status item, er, status | 16:52 | |
| ggabriel | me too :P | 16:52 |
| ggabriel | and I learned a very important lesson as to which pocket you put your phone in when you ski ;) | 16:53 |
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| stephg | ggabriel: how does that work | 16:53 |
| * stephg has never been skiing | 16:53 | |
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| ggabriel | don't put your gopro and phone in pockets that are too close to one another in the event of falling over and the gopro cracking the phone's screen | 16:53 |
| ggabriel | basically | 16:53 |
| stephg | ew | 16:54 |
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| ggabriel | phone works surprisingly well tho | 16:54 |
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| cb400f | ggabriel: are you confident the Intex will become available in your area? ;-) | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | cb400f: I can't comment really... isn't intex and indian company? | 17:07 |
| cb400f | but there was some talk about them wanting to go global... and since apparently they're introducing the phone in Barcelona, maybe... ;-) | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | perhaps the answer was in the question ;-) | 17:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | even if intex is purely focussed on the indian market, it still makes sense for them to release phones in europe | 17:31 |
| r0kk3rz | in a weird kinda globalised way | 17:31 |
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| Nicd- | https://together.jolla.com/question/128005/bug201taalojarvi-auto-ignoring-incoming-connection/ -- I knew it wasn't just me doing something wrong! | 17:38 |
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| Nicd- | I've had many calls ignored too | 17:38 |
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