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lolekhello, does sailfish finally support full phone encryption with sd card encryption?07:18
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tbrdon't think so. you could probably manually encrypt the sd card07:25
lolekoh, that's not good07:34
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lolekdo you know if there are any plans for it?07:34
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tbrseeing that they haven't updated their development roadmap: https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/07:39
tbrand adding recent turbulent changes, that's impossible to say07:39
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locusfhmm in case Jolla needs further funding options, this might go well: http://www.anorak.co.uk/428124/money/nigerian-astronaut-lost-in-space-needs-3m-to-get-home-could-be-a-scam.html/07:47
lolektbr: tbh selinux would be nice07:48
lolekyet currently phone without card and main storage encryption is a no go imho07:48
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r0kk3rzlolek: a lot of things would be nice07:49
lolekr0kk3rz: of course, but I can't imagine I lost phone with my private stuff07:49
loleknowadays ppl use their phones as computers, access bank accounts, access mails, etc07:50
loleklosing phone means a big problem if there's no encryption07:50
lolekhence - phone without it is a no go07:50
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r0kk3rztheres a bit of security through obscurity. i doubt anyone could defeat the lockscreen07:51
lolekwhat's so different in it?07:51
lolekI saw standard keypad07:51
r0kk3rzsure. but the tech is unique to jolla07:52
lolektech?07:52
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r0kk3rzthe way it works behind the scenes07:52
lolekcould you please show me how it works I mean how to unlock a jolla phone?07:52
lolekwell what's behind sceenes is one thing... if you have lock screen without encryption then having it is pointless07:53
r0kk3rzyes and no07:53
lolekhow is that?07:53
r0kk3rzthe internal partition is btrfs07:53
tbrit at least poses somewhat of an barrier to access and I don't think there is a known way to circumvent it for an individual with zero knowledge about the particular device07:53
tbrI agree encryption would be nice, but jolla just didn't implement it, yet07:54
lolekyeah07:54
lolekr0kk3rz: you've mentioned lock screen, there's something I'd like to show you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucpQ_0iHrWg07:55
phlixithere is apretty simple way to circumvent the lockscreen07:59
r0kk3rzyou can social engineer it for sure08:01
tappelhm, lock screen can probably be turned off by tampering with the filesystem in recovery mode at least08:02
lolekr0kk3rz: tbh, all my friends that use either keypad to type pw to unlock the screen or were drawing a shape over keypad are in posistion where everyone can easily unlock their phones. It's enough that I see when he is unlockingdevice, and that's it08:02
phlixii hadnt found time until now to check if it is related to the tinkerings i did to the phone (not that unlikely), but its not looking above someones shoulder. if it is not related with the tinkering i did, then you can give me a locked jolla and i unlock it in 10 seconds08:03
tappeland as all data can be accessed via the recovery console it's a moot point anyways, anything worth protecting should be encrypted08:04
lolekphlixi++08:04
lolektappel++08:04
phlixi++?08:05
lolekkarma ;)08:05
tbrthere are several aspects: if you unlock fastboot, you're SOL08:05
tbrif you enable SSH and set a trivial password: you're SOL08:05
lolekphlixi: in old irc times, there were bots that were counting karma ;) later you could see who's got the highets karma on the channcel, consider it points like on stack ;)08:06
tbralso recovery should ask for the screen lock pin before it lets you in08:06
tappelah08:06
tappelhaven08:06
phlixithanks :-)08:06
lolektbr: phone should ask for pin even when somone would try to change it's firmware08:06
tbrphlixi: if you see a way to circumvent it, state it or bring it to jolla's attention08:06
tappelhaven't used recovery console on a phone that has a lock screen pin enabled08:07
phlixithe most important bots i remmeber was a quizbot :D08:07
lolekoh, yea ;)08:07
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lolekphlixi: so doing: phlixi++ I was just confirming that I agree with you ;)08:07
tbrlolek: you can only change the firmware from a booted phone08:07
fzkthe most important i remember was the autofetching fxp bots :(08:07
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phlixibut talking about it, reminds me on writing jolla about this... why is there so less time? ..g2g ...work work :-)08:08
fzkphlixi: automate your work!08:09
phlixi:D08:09
fzki did some automation, works very well, colleagues wonder why im drinking coffee and watching the output08:09
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tappeli'd like to automate sitting in meetings so I could concentrate my time on doing actual productive work08:10
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fzkclassical meeting before the meeting?08:20
fzki have noticed meetings are usually worthless and a waste of time if there is no real agenda on what is relevant to communicate08:21
Stskeepsinsane things in the world: ordinary employees cannot spend company money, but anybody can call a meeting with 20 people..08:23
Bysmyyryep, http://www.effectivemeetings.com/diversions/meetingcost.asp08:26
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fzkor use the "all" group mailing list to send junk08:41
fzk"hey look at my new cute baby!"08:41
the_mgtlolek: look into this and pray it is not vaporware: https://www.turingphone.com08:43
the_mgtbut I agree with the lack of encrption. I dont use VPN or public key access to ssh servers on my phone, because if it gets lost, someone might take advantage08:44
lolekthe_mgt: nice phone, too big for me :(08:45
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lolektbh even jolla is too big but it's impossible to get something smaller so powerfull08:46
tbrthere's also that fairphone2 adaptation08:46
the_mgtagree, but I can not type properly on the jolla phone. my hands are too big and I can not tip a single sms without fugly typos08:46
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the_mgtsometimes there is not a single space in them, just b or v08:46
lolekthe_mgt: I've got the oppsite, my hands are too small, and I'm unable to do anything with the device using one hand08:47
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the_mgtlolek: oO "one size fits all"...08:47
lolekyeah, right :)08:48
lolekI don't belive that08:48
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lolekthe_mgt: same with the cars :/08:48
the_mgthaha. yes. but the all our recent cars had seats with height adjustment. and driving wheels that you can move around08:49
lolekyet it's even bigger problem as with the phone you can use second hand (not always but at least), while with the car if it's not for you, then you may have problems pressing break pedals08:50
lolekthe_mgt: well I can give you a sample, it's not like this ;)08:50
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lolekthe_mgt: my lady, she's small, no problem to adjust seats in: citroen c4, mazda 3, renault laguna, nissan quashqai, in opposite, no way to adjust position in Ford Focus, Renault Clio,08:50
lolekof course we're talking about cars that are no older than 10 years08:51
lolekor even less if it's about Focus, Clio, C408:51
lolekfor example in Focus, no way to press break or clutch pedal - i.e. can't drive it08:52
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the_mgtlolek: :D I cant remember driving a Ford ever, but french car makers need to be destroyed08:54
lolekhahah, why's that?:)08:54
the_mgtbuild quality, overall handling, and I can not hit the break pedal when I wear larger shoes. they barely fit between clutch and gas pedal08:55
lolekwell seems that's you've got the opposite problems ;)08:55
the_mgtyep. maybe french people are smaller in general, I have no trouble in cars from the vw group08:56
lolekand about build quality well.. at least they don't get gangrene like mazda does :/ (gangrene - rust)08:56
the_mgtbut everything else falls apart. they don't get old enough for rust08:57
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jonwilAs an Australian if I wanted a regular ordinary a-b car I would take a car from a Japanese company like Mazda or Toyota or Nissan or Honda over anything from Europe (French, German or otherwise)09:13
lolekjonwil: well I'm not surprised, well maybe only with why would you want to buy a-b car instead of c-d?:)09:14
fzkwhat you need is a volvo 85009:18
fzkthen you install a truck turbo in it09:18
fzkwroom09:18
r0kk3rzjonwil: thats because parts are expensive in aus for euro cars09:19
r0kk3rzfzk: us aussies like our v8s, dont need no diesels09:20
fzkr0kk3rz: you go for gas or ethanol if you want09:20
fzki run my saab on ethanol, gives nicer compression when revving09:21
r0kk3rzinteresting09:22
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fzkjust need to convince my woman to change the turbo and map it :(09:23
fzkher excuse is: buy toys to the kids instead09:24
loleklol09:24
lolekfzk: you can tell her: yeah it's for the kids when they grow up :D09:24
fzklol09:24
* phdeswer wonders what is a b car. That is some classification I have never heard of09:26
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jonwilI mean a car for going from a to b09:26
locusfis this something like hotels for sleeping?09:27
jonwilScandinavian cars are cool :)09:28
r0kk3rzfzk: one of the best toys a kid can have is an awesome dad09:28
jonwilI ride in Volvos on a regular basis :)09:29
fzkhmm, i have not decided yet, mine is too small09:29
jonwilVolvo buses that is :)09:29
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r0kk3rzphdeswer: in aus, car enthusiasts will typically own two (or more) cars, one as their daily drive, and one as their mental fun thing09:30
jonwilVery nice buses they are too09:30
phdeswerjonwil, ah ok :)09:30
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phdeswerr0kk3rz, I love the aussies for their off-road cars. Half the stuff on my Nissan comes from there.09:30
r0kk3rzphdeswer: you got a navarra or something?09:31
phdeswerOld Patrol. Y60 or GQ in AUS09:31
r0kk3rzah nice09:32
jonwilThe Japanese make the best go-anywhere 4x4s09:32
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jonwilI will never understand why any sane person would buy a Jeep instead of something Japanese and better...09:33
phdeswerjonwil, more or less. The Defender and G-wagen are pretty decent too. Unfortunately these days there is only the Suzuki Jimny and the G anymore if you want a new 4x4. All the rest has morphed into SUV's :(09:33
jonwilYou can still get09:33
jonwilYou can still get09:33
phdeswerjonwil, after my experiences with US cars I can't understand US car companies are still in business....09:33
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jonwilA current model 200 series Cruiser is still VERY capable off-road09:34
jonwilor a current model 70 series for that matter09:35
phdeswerjonwil, well there in Africa and AUS you can still get the 70's series and Y61/GU patrol... And yes the Discovery and latest landcruisers are still very capable but not in the same leage anymore as the older ones.09:35
jonwilYeah there are certain models of LandCruiser that are tough enough to take you to hell and back, simple enough that any bush mechanic can fix em if they break and common enough that said mechanic is likely to have parts on hand09:36
jonwilBy far the coolest car anyone I know owns is a blue Holden Ute :)09:37
jonwiland yes they use it for its intended purpose of hauling stuff (they do maintanence work and things which is why they bought the Ute :)09:38
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* phdeswer tries to remember what actual brand is behind Holden again...09:39
r0kk3rztheres a daewoo thing with dual range gearbodx you can still buy09:39
jonwilGM owns Holden09:39
r0kk3rzjonwil: 'intended purpose' you mean burnouts? and general sillyness09:40
r0kk3rzthats what holden utes are for09:40
kjetilhophdeswer: Holden has some of the same models as Opel and Vauxhall09:41
phdeswerYep looked it up, seems they do about everybody based on wikipedia...09:42
phdeswerChevrolet too... *shudders*09:42
kjetilhoand Daewoo09:42
r0kk3rzits gm, they rebadge everything gm to other markets09:42
kjetilhoDaewoo Astra09:42
r0kk3rzthey introduced opel as a brand to australia despite selling open cars under holden for years09:43
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r0kk3rzbecause 'oooh look german engineering'09:43
the_mgtand they introduced other brands to germany, although Opel is based here09:43
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the_mgtOpel is generally only seen as hallmark of "german engineering" by a tiny fraction of germans09:44
phdeswerOpels are pretty ok, I have a recent Astra myself.  Was the best regular road car I could afford when I needed tp replace the old one.09:46
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the_mgtI am somewhat biased, I live and was raised around the Hannover area in germany. everything is volkswagen, audi or skoda here. the used car marked is so full of them, you only buy something else if you were indoctrinated by your parents to buy something else09:47
r0kk3rzthe_mgt: at least you guys predominantly buy german cars09:48
r0kk3rzwe dont have a car industry anymore because nobody was buying aus made cars09:48
kjetilhono BMW or Mercedes?  tsk tsk09:48
the_mgtr0kk3rz: yeah, spareparts are everywhere on junkyards and it seems as if mechanics grow on trees here09:49
the_mgtkjetilho: only if you want to feel distinguished by wealth (either one of both), you are a farmer (mercedes) or of turkish descent (bmw)09:50
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phdeswerVW/skoda are good quality but horrible to drive (not to mention they seem to manage to put the B pillar in my line of sight every time), French cars are fun but rattle, are noisy and frail, Italians flashy but otherwise like French, US cars are plain horrible (and top the failure rates at the first inspection here), Saab was good but going out of business, Kia was a positive surprise but there was something lacking still, Toyot09:51
phdeswera and Nissan did not really have anything exciting back then09:51
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phdeswerthe_mgt, I remember the biases. Ingolstad == audi town, Stuttgart == Mercedes, ...09:52
the_mgtphdeswer: the frenchcars I was driving are all like minitanks/scout cars. there is freaking pillar everywhere in your line of sight and the blind spot is large enough to hide all three death stars together09:52
the_mgtbut in general I agree with your analysis09:53
phdeswerthe_mgt, I think the pillar problem is size related very often. But the general trend is less visibility in modern cars than in older ones09:54
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phdeswerAnd with size related, I mean the measurements of the driver.09:56
phdeswerAs they have been making some of those pillars freaking huge sometimes also...09:56
r0kk3rzphdeswer: isnt that mostly safety and aero related?09:57
Teguand rear windows are getting smaller as well.. (probbly aero thing)09:57
tbrthe dauphine was quite nice...09:58
phdeswerr0kk3rz, partly yes, I guess there is also some design stuff09:58
* phdeswer likes tbr's Volvo more ;)09:58
tbr:>09:59
tbreven comes with a safari window for the driver09:59
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phdeswerTegu, I think sometimes it is a plot to make you buy reversing cameras ;)10:03
Teguhah10:04
tbrI have bought two cameras and a dual-LCD rearview mirror display10:04
kjetilhoTegu: yeah, it's annoying since the wiper has to be so short only a small fraction is cleared, too.10:04
Tegukjetilho: yea those look funny on the road :D10:05
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the_mgtphdeswer: yep, it is size related. currently, we own a Roomster and it is like driving in a greenhouse. there is so much visibilty, especially in the back10:31
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temmi_hoohah10:44
temmi_hooi have two saab 9000 for daily driving10:44
temmi_hooeat that10:44
temmi_hoopretty easy to maintain and repair, surprisingly easy for having fwd with engine the wrong way and being tilted10:45
fzki find the 9-3 very comfy for daily use10:46
fzk(not the buggy ones from pre 2005)10:46
temmi_hooold 9-3 or new 9-3?10:46
fzknew10:46
temmi_hooah10:46
temmi_hoonew 9-3 stw looks nice10:46
fzkthe looks from 2008 and forward->LOL10:47
temmi_hoowe might or might not speak of the same period :) i'm not too familiar with them new flashy black hat friendly cars with canbus10:48
mdxthi have 2008 9-5 :)10:48
temmi_hoodame edna?10:48
mdxthi guess os10:49
mdxthso10:49
temmi_hooyes, with those fancy eyeframes10:49
temmi_hoowas it available with xwd?10:49
fzki really want a 9-3x but those are extremely rare in .se10:50
temmi_hooapparently no, only 9-3 turbo x10:50
fzkall saabs are turbo ;)10:50
temmi_hoolater ones yes10:50
fzkiirc all after 90010:51
temmi_hooi've had a 1995 nonturbo 900010:51
fzklol what10:51
fzkwas that standard?10:52
mdxthyep10:52
temmi_hoothat was the "my boss wants to buy me a nice car with least amount of money" option10:52
mdxthmy parents had two nonturbo 9k10:52
fzkive never heard of a non turbo saab tbh10:53
mdxthand some 900 without turbo10:53
temmi_hoomine 9k are turbo 2.010:53
mdxthalso one 900 with turbo :D10:53
fzkmine is with the low pressure turbo :-/10:53
temmi_hooother is manual and feeds on e85 and other is automagick and eats regular petrol10:53
fzk^ i have this10:53
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temmi_hoothe manual e85 is also stage110:54
fzkbut you can run almost all petrol cars on e85/e10010:54
temmi_hoofzk well yes you can but the maps aren't optimal for it10:54
fzknot optimal and might require you to change a few hoses etc10:54
fzktemmi_hoo: true10:54
temmi_hoofor trionic5 you can pretty easily replace the injection and ignition maps and that's it10:54
temmi_hooall hoses are just fine10:54
temmi_hoo=> i got around 220 projected tame horses based on what the ecu mapping program says10:55
temmi_hoot5.5 doesn't have enough storage for two fuel maps and doesn't have enough oomph to interpolate so i'm stuck with e85 until i replace the ecu with another one that has petrol maps10:57
temmi_hoonot that i'd want to do that10:57
temmi_hooanyway it is not flexfuel :%10:58
fzki want to test with e100 but nobody sellls it here10:59
temmi_hoothat would be sweet10:59
fzkguess i could destilate my own10:59
temmi_hoo+110:59
fzke100 is good, you can get drunk on it too10:59
temmi_hoo:D10:59
temmi_hooanyway ethanol doesn't knock easily so you can put as much boost pressure as your turbo can provide11:00
temmi_hoowell, flow really11:00
temmi_hoomaximizing pressure isn't optimal11:00
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loleklol, and all that conv started from "turingphone is too big" :D12:13
Teguyou mentioned cars first :)12:17
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mcfriskhmm, 64 gig sdcard with ext4 stopped working today. dmesg shows "mmc1: mmc_sd_init_card() failure (err = -110)" and "mmc1: error -110 whilst initialising SD card"23:34
mcfriskreboots and re-inserting it don't seem to help.23:35
Hellemcfrisk: that tends to me "not responding"23:35
Hellemight be bad contacts23:35
mcfriskscrub them like battery contacts too?23:35
Hellemcfrisk: if you use a soft latex gum to do that, probably23:35
mcfriskok I'll give that a try, tricky to get to the pins though.23:36
Helleprobably enough to do the card23:36
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