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coderuswe had cleaning diskettes for 5.35, 3.5, then cleaning CD's. so why not cleaning sdcards? :D04:37
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kimmolicoderus ? http://www.pixmania.ie/sd-sdhc-card/cablematic-memory-card-slot-cleaning-sd-digital-security/21365359-a.html05:34
kimmoliand for cards, https://dwomoh.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/pencils-01.jpg05:36
cehtehthat looks rathere destructive05:44
cehtehscratching of the gold plating of the contacts will lead to more trouble really soon05:45
kimmolithere was others with cleaning surface looking not-so-abrasive05:51
JopeI use those white plastic erasers for cleaning card edges05:55
Jopehttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61rxQmu-BaL._SL1308_.jpg mm mm05:55
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tiwakehttps://derpibooru.org/108523507:14
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mcfriskfsck, "mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card" also on a PC sdcard reader. I guess the card died. Was a Kingston 64gb one. Serial numbers on it have zero search matches on google. Sigh.07:29
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cehtehmcfrisk: did that work before with that reader?   is it sdxc compatible?07:43
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mcfriskcehteh: no idea, never used a reader with this card before.07:52
cehtehmany are not sdxc (or sdhc) compatible07:53
cehtehwont work with newer cards07:53
mcfriskOk, this was an integrated reader on a HP laptop07:59
cehtehshould work on newer readers, just read the laptop docs07:59
mcfrisksince the error message is the same as on Jolla phone, I assume it was able to do same things as Jolla07:59
cehtehcheap usb ones are usually problematic07:59
cehtehyes could be dead card as well then08:00
cehtehkingston :D08:00
cehtehi'd never buy that08:00
mcfrisklaptop reader is sdxc compatible, the card is dead then...08:03
mcfriskif not kingston, then what brand is better? with proof? :)08:04
cehtehkinston has no factories they just brand whatever they get hold of08:04
cehtehsamsung, intel/micron and sandisk are original manufacturers, but be careful not to get counterfeit cards08:05
cehtehi usually prefer sandisk, works for me. back a few years they had the best controllers to cope with random access use patterns like on phones etc08:06
cehtehnowadays the others are possibly good as well08:06
mcfrisksamsung ssd died at work and corrupted files. no go.08:07
mcfriskintel, never seen intel micro sd cards...08:08
cehtehi am speaking of flash chips, intels are top notch but most go into their own SSD's08:10
cehtehsamsung had this problem with their ssd controlers08:10
cehtehthe flash memory should be ok08:10
mcfriskso, for sdcards that leaves sandisk?08:12
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cehtehif you want to avoid samsung, yes08:12
cehtehare there sdcards under microns brand?08:13
mcfriskI remember the N9 emmc chip tests where a few manufacturers failed badly..08:13
cehtehyes08:13
cehtehyou can find a lot bad reports08:13
cehtehalso because the market is flooded with b-rated or counterfeit stuff08:14
mcfriskshivers, samsung brands sdcards with evo too08:14
cehtehi cant tell much .. except for this evo controllers bugs samsung 'should' be ok .. but i understand your concerns08:15
cehtehin my laptop i have a intel ssd08:15
cehtehthese have the best reputation about safety08:15
cehtehbut was a bit on the expensive side08:16
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mcfriskwell, luckily that ssd on jolla was only for music and videos which are also on real backup disks. and, ok the jolla backups were there too but jolla seems fine now.08:20
mcfrisk/ssd/sdcard/08:20
cehtehi dont have important data on the jolla .. but still restoring would be pita08:20
cehtehlots of oflline maps for osmand, offline wikipedia, music, ...08:21
cehteh40gb over wlan will take some time08:21
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cehtehwhats the state with sip integration meanwhile btw?09:40
tbr'meh'09:40
cehtehok09:41
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jjardonHi, what sailfishos uses; networkmanager or connman? Ofono or modemmanager?09:51
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Mikaelaconnman, and I think ofono09:56
MikaelaAs ofono appears in some commands said here09:56
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phdeswerofono and connman10:04
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jjardonthanks for the info10:57
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sebsebsebhi12:03
sebsebsebso apparnatly12:03
sebsebsebmeant to apply for tablet or re fund?  thought was going to get something emailed out12:04
sebsebseb?12:04
ggabriel_you need to wait for an email, as per the latest blog12:04
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sebsebsebggabriel: oh ok so it is waiting for an email12:05
ggabrielthat's what I'm doing at least12:05
sebsebsebpopey: ^12:05
sebsebsebggabriel: yeah the tablet would be nice, but I Got a jolla phone anyway12:07
sebsebsebanother tablet now to, more coming!12:08
sebsebsebother tech probably to buy later this year to, but not knowing it yet really12:08
sebsebsebtech devices12:08
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sebsebsebggabriel: so a re fund wound't be to bad12:08
sebsebsebhardware is out of date now, but would have still been nice to of had one really :)12:08
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tbrI'd still argue that baytrail hardware is not quite out of date in general and in particular that display of tbj seems to be quite nice12:13
sebsebsebtbr: well whatever the hardware is it's stiol usable  etc :)12:15
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tbrthat too, but I was specifically referring to the hardware.12:16
tbrThere aren't many, if any at all, android tablets with the next generation intel mobile chip shipping12:16
tbrwindows10 seems to work on those though12:16
ggabrielsebsebseb: I wouldn't mind a tablet myself12:17
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sebsebsebtbr: yeah I don't really know the hadware specs of the JOlla tablet as such, but I trust Jolla picked good hardware specs for the time12:17
tbrI totally understand that people might not want a tablet by now though.12:17
tbrI just don't think hw should be used as an argument12:18
sebsebsebtbr: ggabriel  I was earlyish to contribbute to the campagain, but probably not qujite early enough to be one of the 500 or so hmm12:18
sebsebsebsledges: was it you I met in person?12:19
sebsebsebif not a guy with a similar name12:19
sledgessebsebseb: yep! how's it going?12:19
sebsebsebsledges: ah ha it was :)12:19
sebsebsebsledges: did you come to FOSDEM this year? Do you still work for Jolla?12:19
sledgesyes and yes:D12:20
sebsebsebsledges: ah we coudl havev met up in Brussels maybe, oh well12:20
sledgesi checked magea, but only found AL13N :)12:20
sledges*magea stand12:20
sledges**mageia12:20
sebsebsebsledges: yeah if that was on the Sunday I was mostly else where12:20
sledgesah i see12:20
sebsebsebsledges: Saturday once I had gotton round most of the other stands I was there a lot12:20
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sledgeswell, there's always LUG ;)12:21
sebsebsebsledges: heh I remember you saying how great the Jolla tablet would be, but here we are a year later and uhmm12:21
sebsebsebsledges: yes I intend to be a lot the LUG at the end of this month12:21
phlixi_osebsebseb: if you are offerend an jolla tablet and dont want it, i am happy to take it :-)12:21
sebsebsebphlixi_o: heh sledges is a Jolla employee, let's see what info we can leak out of him heh heh12:21
phlixi_onothing i guess12:22
sledgessebsebseb: projects encounter challenges, consumer electronics we're talking about here:)12:22
sebsebsebsledges: yes indeed12:22
sledgeswhat info do you need? :P12:22
sebsebsebam I going to get the Jolla tablet? :d12:22
sebsebsebthe other guys uhmm who cares heh heh12:22
sledges:D wait for an email12:22
phlixi_o:D12:22
sebsebsebsorry ggabriel  sorry phlixi_o it's all about me now, heh heh, joke12:23
phlixi_oas promised^^12:23
sebsebsebno no it's not about if you get it, it's about if I get one heh heh, joke12:23
sledgeshow's life otherwise sebsebseb? :)12:23
sebsebsebsledges: yeah can you make the LUG at the end of the month?12:24
sebsebsebsledges: I should go really this month, I haven't been since October I think it was12:24
sledgesi'll do my best, it will be after MWC right?:)12:24
sebsebsebsledges: yeah just after I guess,  MWC is on the 22nd?12:25
sledgesyes12:25
sebsebsebwhen does that finnish?12:25
sledges25th12:25
sebsebsebsledges: ok the LUG is on Saturday 27th12:25
ggabrielbut really, it'll last the 30-60 minutes jolla will have12:25
sledgesthen i can finally bring new toys :D12:25
ggabrielas the others will present yet another android device12:26
ggabrieland yet another ithing12:26
ggabrielso nothing new really ;)12:26
sebsebsebsledges:  what kind of new toys?12:26
sledgessebsebseb: wait until after MWC :P12:26
sebsebsebsledges: oh your going to get something interesting Jolla there?12:26
sledgeslet's keep you guessing:)12:27
sebsebsebsledges: you know a part of me would want to go to MWC myself really, but with current living situations,  I can't really self fund that as well, can just about do FOSDEM, and the UK event12:27
popeyJolla Smartwatch!12:27
sebsebsebsledges: I guess MWC is probably  also really one of those events, that is better to go to, when funded to go by some company that work for12:27
sledgeshey popey, congrats on the Ubuntu Tablet!12:27
sebsebsebpopey: are you going to MWC?12:28
popeysledges: hey, thanks.12:28
popeysebsebseb: no, I'm not pretty enough to be at MWC12:28
sebsebsebsledges: heh looks like the Ubuntu tablet is actsaully going to be shipped to loads of people without  a load of issues to heh12:28
popeyI'll be at Embedded World in Germany12:28
popeysebsebseb: meow!12:28
sebsebsebpopey: you know sledges to or sort of?12:28
sledgessebsebseb: that's great, at least one Linux tablet without issues:)12:28
popey(also, it hasn't shipped yet so ... you know.. things could "happen" )12:28
popeyhehe12:28
sledgesand we should know:D12:29
sledgesanyhow, best of luck, speak to you fellows later:)12:29
* sledges gtgs12:29
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sebsebsebpopey: yes BQ may go bank rupt for some unknown strange Spannish reason :d12:29
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sebsebsebpopey: Embbeded World in Germany whens that? and a similar event to MWC I guess?12:32
sledgesspeaking of smartwatches: https://twitter.com/applehq/status/69646670192011264012:33
popeysame time as MWC12:34
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* jonwil will never give a cent to crApple :)12:37
sledgesthat's just a crafty username, mislead me for a minute too:))12:38
* popey thinks jonwil didn't actually click the link12:38
popeyIt's a neat looking project!12:38
popeynot heard of it before.12:38
jonwilyeah I just saw the name and assumed it was an Apple twitter feed and went "screw that" :)12:38
jonwilbut yeah running custom OS on an LG device is cool12:38
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sledgesjoin the tribe:))12:41
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jonwilThat said, I dont have any desire to own a watch of any sort (smart or otherwise)12:45
jonwilIf I need to know what time it is, I pull out my N900 and check :)12:46
jonwilIf I need to do other stuff, I pull out the N900 and do it :)12:46
ggabrieli'm only considering a watch for sports tracking12:46
ggabrielas the gps on the phone is not that reliable12:46
ggabrielon any phone, for that matter12:46
ggabrieland all these "smart" watches don't do that... they have a crappy gps like any phone :P12:47
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tappelI would like a smartphone designed more like a pocket watch, not wristwatch12:49
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chem|sttappel: steampunked12:51
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r0kk3rzpocket smartwatch wouldbe cool12:55
tappelclamshell smartphones come close, but I think most of them are designed more as an afterthought12:56
r0kk3rzi mean, thats what they made before they could miniaturise for the wrist watch12:56
zebbiz_piI love my watch12:56
zebbiz_piChecking the time in the shower is great12:56
pp_n9 is the ultimate (pant) pocket watch12:57
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ggabrielzebbiz_pi: I admit that I lol'ed at your comment12:59
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zebbiz_piggabriel: I was serious :)13:00
ggabrielI believed you, I still lol'ed13:00
zebbiz_pi:)13:00
zebbiz_piNot having to take out your phone is really convenient though13:02
ggabrielnot having to be a slave of time is even more convenient ;-)13:02
zebbiz_piHard when you go to school and have to be in time for class13:02
ggabrieloh, hard when you're at work too13:03
ggabrielbut you find a way ;)13:03
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sledgesPSA: Sailfish OS collab @ #mer-meeting in a minute ;)14:28
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pp_toki se on niin säänneltyä muutoin, että sama ottaa maksimi kun kaikki muutkin ottaa15:03
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MikaelaIs that a big t?16:07
Mikaela*bot16:07
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phlixi_oMikaela: do you mean this? <EyeA> Jolla )0!1@ )0h17:48
phlixi_o...i also wondered what that ")0!1@ )0h " is... have read that in this channel a fedw times now and wondered what it is17:49
Mikaelaphlixi_o: yes, it seems to happen daily or very often17:49
phlixi_ofirst guess was something like a weird kind of emoji which is not displayed/transmitted/whatever as intended17:50
phlixi_oi remember in pdgin some smilies where displayed as :sadsmilie: - i assume that it is replaced in the original client by an apropriate icon17:51
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phlixi_obut today we have unicode! :-)17:51
phlixi_oyeah, whatever... gn8^^17:51
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coderusrelax, eyea is just a big fan of jolla19:14
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phlixiand wtf means ")0!1@ )0h"`?19:40
phlixibtw19:41
* phlixi is super relaxed19:41
phlixi:)19:41
Nicd-phlixi: it means jolla joh19:41
tbrit's some bullcrap leet-speak19:41
Nicd-or maybe jolla joy?19:42
phlixiusually i have no problem detecting 1337534|<19:43
phlixibut that seems weird, but now i see it^^19:43
AL13Ni tried searching duckduckgo for ")0!1@ )0h " but i seem to have gotten to a weird site19:43
AL13Nniice or some odd crap19:43
phlixiover time it will instantly result in logs of this channel^^19:44
AL13Ni don't like it19:44
AL13Nheh19:44
Nicd-https://files.nytsoi.net/jolla_joy.txt19:47
Nicd-that's a lot of jolla joy19:48
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phlixinice favicon Nicd- :-)19:57
tadzikhahah19:58
phlixiand btw, your certificate for https://nytsoi.net/ is expired19:58
Nicd-yeah I know19:58
Nicd-it's on my old server and I haven't had time to move it to my new one where I have letsencrypt set up for all domains with autorenew19:59
Nicd-but literally the only thing on that domain is a page with ♫19:59
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phlixidisplay: box though kinda seems oldscool^^20:06
r0kk3rzNicd-: theres more than that20:08
Nicd-more what?20:08
r0kk3rzjolla joy20:09
Nicd-it was a simple grep20:09
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pdanekHow is the hype going on?21:34
pdanekHype for Intex?21:34
pdanekWill we get 3GB ram device?21:35
pdanekJust couple more days to  find out!21:35
HtheBpdanek: it's India only21:36
HtheByou'd better off with Turing Phone21:36
pdanekHtheB: DHL exists21:37
pdanekTuring phone won't be released as soon as Intex21:37
HtheBpdanek: they won't SELL it...21:39
HtheBunless you find some reseller who does it though21:40
pdanekpdanek: Indians are EVERYWHERE21:40
pdanekI bet most of Sailors have Indian colleague in their office21:40
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pdanekit's not too difficult to ask for favor to resend it by their family back home21:40
pdanekand buy him a pint or two for that21:40
HtheBI offered a re-ship to everyone on tmo21:43
HtheBsend quite a lot of Jolla's over the World21:43
pdanekyep, I know you do21:44
pdanekso others might do the same from India21:44
pdanekwho wants Intex won't have a problem to get it21:44
pdanekworld is small21:44
pdanekand honestly, that device will be so cheap that you won't need to think twice about lack of warranty services in Europe21:44
pdanekbecause you can probably buy 4 of those phones in price of one Turing phone21:45
pdanekFairphone 2 is nice, but until it gets official Sailfish on it, I won't get into hype :D21:45
phlixiandroid support from store would be enough for me^^21:46
HtheByes21:48
HtheBbut if it's another 1GB ram...21:48
HtheBi'll pass21:48
HtheBcoderus: ping?21:48
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pdanekHtheB: another 1GB?21:51
HtheByes21:51
HtheBjust like Jolla21:51
HtheB1GB ram phone21:51
pdanekHtheB: you mean the Intex device?21:52
pdanekthere is no way it would be 1GB.... it will be 2GB at least21:53
phlixias long as you dont run 2342 apps, 1gb ram is absolutely fine21:54
phlixihalf of that if your apps are android ones21:54
pdanekphlixi: I do run plenty of apps, especially android ones21:55
pdanekso not fine21:55
phlixiif all you do is running tons of android apps, you might consider switching to android in the first place21:55
pdanekI won't limit myself just because of phone, I would rather use Android if I have to limit my apps etc21:55
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pdanekphlixi: that's wrong argument21:56
pdanekI'm sticking to Sailfish because I like the OS21:56
pdanekand once official app developers release sailfish version, I will install native app21:56
pdanekbut if they don't, I use android version21:56
HtheB^ agree21:56
phlixiwont happen soon for your 10 messengers21:57
pdanekphlixi: still I'm happy to use Sailfish as long as I have enough memory for my android apps21:57
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pdanekphlixi: and I know it won't happen soon.... but if everyone will keep this thinking, half of Sailfish users will be gone now21:58
ShadowJKFor me it's more the web browser that needs ram21:58
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pdanekImagine you market Sailfish as: if you need a lot of your favorite Android apps, please don't buy Intex phone, stick to Android22:00
pdanekSailfish's only chance on the market is the Android apps support22:00
phlixi_mwell, thats your point of view.22:01
pdanekand I was the guy before who tried to keep my accounts or IMs on minimum.... etc.22:01
pdaneknow I don't live for my phone anymore.... my phone should live for me :D22:01
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phlixi_mdont think just because it is important for makes it important for everybody else22:02
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pdanekI'm speaking about the market majority22:02
phlixi_mok, let me rephrase it22:02
pdanekSailfish devices aren't and probably never will be marketed and sold as geek devices22:02
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phlixi_mdont think it is important for the majority, just because you cant imagune otherwise22:03
pdanekfair enough22:03
phlixi_mbtw, general rule22:03
pdanekI can be very subjective in this too22:03
r0kk3rzi still maintain that in a market of hundreds of millions of devices each year, that there isnt room for some differentiation22:05
phlixi_mbtw, i think they should be marketed by their usps and those to me seem pretty geeky22:05
phlixi_mand one of the usp (like for the fp) is, that they come without google and apple22:06
pdanekhow is Jolla better from Google or Apple?22:07
pdanekI didn't see much openess to community22:07
pdanekmore proprietary than google22:07
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phlixi_mi didnt say better22:08
phlixi_mi said without22:08
r0kk3rzjolla develops in open, google doesnt, thats a fairly big difference right there22:08
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HtheB_pdanek: someone wants to buy your phone22:08
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pdanekr0kk3rz: https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/  <--- pretty outdated22:09
r0kk3rzpdanek: and?22:10
pdanekit wasn't touched since August22:10
pdanekthat's 6 months22:10
pdanekhow is that open development?22:10
HtheBr0kk3rz: ever heard about AOSP?22:10
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r0kk3rzHtheB: you know aosp is code dropped right?22:11
HtheBbelieve it or not, Android is more open then Sailfish OS22:11
r0kk3rzHtheB: in terms of lines of code, sure.22:12
phlixi_myou can argue about that, especually is you take google services into acount ...and without google services, it practically no android22:12
HtheBJolla Dalvik has no Google servises22:12
HtheBservices22:12
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pdanekas a normal user who doesn't live for his phone.... as a very basic step to open to community would be updated development roadmap22:14
pdanekI won't go through mailings lists or git  daily22:14
pdanekI just want someone will give the freakin' https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ at least 30 min of his time :D22:15
phlixii prefer updates over vapor22:15
phlixibtw pdanek check todays logs of the meeting, there will be an update soon22:15
pdanekphlixi: cooool22:15
pdanekthanks22:16
pdanekthe mer meeting is happening again?22:16
r0kk3rzwho said you have to go through mailing lists or git?22:16
pdanekI will join next week22:16
phlixiyou can join now22:16
phlixi...and idle :D22:16
pdanekphlixi: I could22:17
pdanekbut movie is better22:17
pdanek:D22:17
pdanekanyway, the only reason why am I on this IRC so much is because I really enjoy chatting and communities22:17
pdanekI'm even currently using Android.... until I can get 2GB+ ram Sailfish device22:18
phlixiand hows your battery doing with all those im networks?22:18
pdanekphlixi: I charge at work22:18
pdanekor in train22:18
phliximy subway doesnt has that :/22:19
phlixineither our busses and trams22:19
pdanektrains in UK all have electric plug and Wifi22:19
pdanekon longer travelling I carry powerbank22:19
phlixii doubt you get power in the trains here... but i use them not very often22:19
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r0kk3rzpdanek: not all, but the newer ones do22:20
pdanekr0kk3rz: oh right!!! I was lucky then to see all22:20
phlixihowever, when i said "without google/android" i didnt meant because of opennes, only because og the huge amount of data they gather22:20
pdanekphlixi: how do you know Jolla doesn't gather data?22:21
pdanekbecause they said so?22:21
pdanek:)22:21
phlixithats pretty simple, wiretap your connection and compare22:21
phlixiusual android talks to google every few SECONDS!22:21
phlixiwile doing nothing22:21
r0kk3rzpdanek: i swear its like a different country up here in the north, we've got some old infrastructure and trains up here22:21
pdanekright22:21
pdanekr0kk3rz: Scotland?22:22
r0kk3rzengland22:22
r0kk3rzscotland is actually a different country22:22
pdanekr0kk3rz: I'm in Birmingham now, usually commuting to Warwick22:22
pdanekand Chiltern railways is great22:22
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r0kk3rzbirmingham is pretty far south22:23
pdanekfor me not south enough22:23
pdanekstill colder than I would like22:23
pdanekbut tiny improvement to Dublin22:24
pdanekit's actually not a bad city22:24
pdanekthe public image is Birmingham is pretty rough22:25
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r0kk3rznever been, must go one of these days22:25
pdanekand for last month I'm here..... it's not bad at all.... great restaurants, friendly people, good train connections around, everything is cheap and I feel safe on streets, at least in city center22:26
phlixipdanek: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2016/mer-meeting.2016-02-11-14.30.log.html22:26
pdanekthere isn't much sightseeing really, but who cares about that to live.... it only attracts annoying tourists22:26
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pdanekphlixi: thanks! I was too lazy to open the meeting log now.... you're the best! :)22:27
phlixii know22:27
phlixi:D22:27
phlixign822:27
pdanekgn822:28
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ICantCookI ordered a Jolla phone on Febuary 4th with fedex shipping.  All I have is the paypal receipt.23:23
ICantCookhow do I get the tracking number and see the progress?23:23
ICantCookI don't seem to have an account with the jolla website23:23
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