#jollamobile log for Friday, 2016-02-12

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ScatMasterHi, guys. My Jolla phone became completely unresponsive today. Is this the right channel to seek some assistance?00:28
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chem|stScatMaster: yeah but maybe at daytime01:32
chem|stScatMaster: check if you got free space, real free space as in "btrfs fi sh" does not say id 0 13.75GB used 13.75GB, if that is the case, delete some bigger files and balance > btrfs-balancer01:33
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ScatMasterI can't even get into Terminal. No apps start when I tap them, not even the ones by Jolla.03:35
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ICantCookits because linux is old06:17
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phlixiICantCook: did you by chance gave something like a "packstation" (german automated parcel terminals) as delivery address?06:42
phlixii did, and fedex does not deliver to those... that made some complications06:43
phlixiwhen i ordered the phone, this resulted in fedex calling me and they delivered to my office. but other stuff (iirc an other half), nothing happened and when i contacted jolla a month later they just sent another one (again to the same address, i asume they didnt read my email fully...)06:44
phlixithus 3 weeks later again i wrote and then it worked... ( i said to deliver at office to jolla then)06:45
phlixion th eother hand, in times of amazon one week might seem long, but it actually is not THAT long, maybe wait another week or two, then contact jolla06:46
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ScatMasterIs it possible to gain root access via Jolla Recovery's "Shell" option?06:51
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jjardonHi, does sailfishos have a special mechanism to store status of the phone/apps in case power loss?11:50
Stskeepsno hibernation11:50
Stskeepspower loss is catastrophic for most devices11:51
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jjardonyeah, that's why I was wondering if there is some mechanism to periodically store the data. Or any other solution11:55
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coderusi wonder how much power loses btrfs can survive12:24
Stskeeps112:24
Stskeeps:P12:24
coderus:D12:25
Smarto my experience, btrfs is really resilient in stuff like that :P12:25
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kimmoliacfail ftw12:47
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louisdkI miss some new interesting stuff SailfishOS/Jolla wise. I'm sad that I can get my hands on a Jolla tablet yet, but I hope to own a SailfishOS tablet someday.13:43
ggabrielcan't* ?13:44
louisdkggabriel, oops typo. Yes I mean can't.13:45
ggabriel:)13:45
ggabrielyeah, I wouldn't be sad with the jolla tablet...13:45
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louisdkggabriel, I've been tempted to buy one from China, yet again it's not fair to Jolla and have no guarantee for software updates and I'm not able to get it repaired if broken.13:47
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r0kk3rzlouisdk: im not sure anyone with a jtab will be able to get repairs14:01
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ggabriellouisdk: nah, wouldn't buy from china. there's too much risk14:02
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r0kk3rzlouisdk: how dependant on android are you?14:03
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r0kk3rzim tossing up between a taobao special, and a sony xperia z3 compact tablet14:05
r0kk3rzthe sony is more expensive, but probably nicer14:05
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ggabrielsony=.jp14:05
ggabrieltaobao=.cn14:05
ggabrielwhat do you expect :P14:05
r0kk3rzwell, its a slight compromise in many ways, the screen has less resolution14:06
r0kk3rzbut its still 1080p @ 8"14:07
ggabrielless resolution at higher quality probably14:07
ggabrielalthough that only your eyes can see14:07
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ggabrieli've got a crappy sony phone but the screen is superior to the iphone's equivalent fwiw14:08
ggabrielthat crappy sony phone will hopefully run sfos in 1 month minus 1 day :D14:08
r0kk3rzthe device porting process has been smoothed out a lot, and sony seem to be doing the right thing wrt code sources and drivers and such14:09
nh1402ggabriel: which one14:09
r0kk3rzggabriel: yeah its hard to compare screens without them both in front of you14:10
louisdkr0kk3rz, ggabriel you're right. It's to risky. I use a few Android apps. That's all. Why? :)14:10
r0kk3rzalthough i did take a quick look at the z3 compact tab that locusf has and it seems very nice14:10
ggabrielnh1402: xperia sp114:10
nh1402r0kk3rz: Sony might be announcing new stuff at MWC, so prices should go down of the older stuff14:10
r0kk3rzlouisdk: if you bought something else and wanted to put sailfish on it, you wouldnt get dalvik for android14:10
r0kk3rzthats all14:10
ggabrielgood excuse to try sfdroid ;)14:11
r0kk3rzif you want a sailfishos tablet with android, then basically a taobao jolla tablet is your only option14:11
ggabrielnh1402: there's a port already, but it'll be my first porting experiment14:11
nh1402whats teh lowest CM base for the SP1?, CM11?14:11
r0kk3rzggabriel: that was on my mind too, i might be able to help hack on it if i had a ported device14:11
ggabrielnh1402: can't remember14:11
locusfz3c tablet is quite nice14:12
r0kk3rznh1402: good point, my jtab refund wont come through until next week anyway14:12
ggabrielnh1402: wiki says cm1114:12
louisdkr0kk3rz, to my knowlegde they ain't any perfect implementations of SailfishOS on a tablet yet apart from the jtab.14:12
locusflol14:12
ggabriellouisdk: s/tablet/tablet and a phone/14:12
locusfp311014:12
locusfn714:12
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locusfto name but a few14:12
r0kk3rzlouisdk: not *yet* but maybe *soon*14:13
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locusfthere are full green ports in the ports table14:13
locusfbut those devices are not that new14:13
nh1402ggabriel: you could straight up compile the CM11 sfdroid sources for your device then, no code porting necessary14:13
ggabrielwell, a green port isn't a fully functioning one anyway... it means most of the important bits work14:13
nh1402cherry pick krnlyng's changes14:13
ggabrielnh1402: cool, i'll give that a go too14:14
locusfggabriel: functional == all hardware features work ?14:14
locusfwhat more do you need14:14
r0kk3rzits a tablet anyway, if you get a wifi only one theres less to make work14:15
r0kk3rzlike no modems14:15
locusfyeah14:15
locusfwhich is usually the biggest gripe14:15
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nh1402once sfdroid get's more stable, shall we add an sfdroid column in the libhybris table14:29
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ggabriellocusf: ok, I don't know what green means here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/porters14:30
locusfhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris14:30
locusfwrong table14:30
locusfthere is a legend in the header14:30
ggabriellocusf: fair enough14:32
ggabrieltoo much info scattered then :P14:32
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zebbiz_piAnyone else having problems with the touchscreen when the phone is charging?15:01
ggabrielnot here in ga or ea15:01
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zebbiz_piga? ea?15:04
ggabrielGA=general availability15:05
ggabrielEA=early access15:05
zebbiz_piok15:05
zebbiz_piI've had it since I bought it in october15:05
krnlyngnh1402: no15:06
pp_run the hardware test stuff?15:06
ggabriel^15:06
zebbiz_pipp_: csd?15:08
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pp_yep15:09
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nh1402is there a way to change the jolla screen off animation16:45
nh1402or to set one for that matter, as it doesn't seem like there is one.16:46
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stephgnh1402: when you say screen off how do you mean? when you lock the device? when you turn it off etc.?16:47
stephgwhich16:47
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EyeAJolla )01!@ )0h17:07
HartziEyeA: wtf is that17:08
StskeepsEyeA: some of us are wondering exactly what is that17:08
EyeAJolla17:08
EyeA)01!@17:09
Hartziokay, whats this: )0h?17:09
EyeAyoh17:09
HartziJolla yoh17:09
EyeAyes17:09
EyeAindeed17:09
Hartziis it supposed to mean something?17:09
tadzikIs there any particular reason why you're writing it this way?17:10
EyeAyes17:10
EyeAmy tag17:10
EyeAlinr17:10
EyeAline17:10
Hartzido you also spray paint it everywhere when you're walking downtown? ;D17:11
EyeAI wish17:11
EyeAif a anoter EyeA pop in channel and does not say it first you knows who17:12
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nh1402stephg: lock device17:13
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zebbiz_piEyeA: But why?17:15
zebbiz_piWe could just do /whois17:15
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zebbiz_piIf you were registered17:16
EyeAI fell the Jolla force buzz I have too share17:16
EyeAfeel17:16
EyeAthe Jolla force17:16
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nh1402stephg: I would very much like it if I could set the screen off animation to the electron beam/crt animation of old android phones. I've seen the source code, as soon as I start getting comfortable with C++, I'll port it to C++, but that would be futile if it's not possible to set it as the screen off animation of Sailfish.17:33
* M4rtinK still has this animation no his HP TouchPad running CM17:34
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stephgnh1402 aha18:40
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nh1402stephg ?18:43
stephgnh1402: just replying to your earlier message (sorry, was dinner and bathtime)18:47
nh1402stephg: is it possible to change the screen off animation, If I or someone else does manage to port it, can it be uploaded to the Jolla store or on mer/Sailfish itself.18:50
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stephgnh1402 I'm not really the one to answer the question I'm afraid21:21
r0kk3rznh1402: that animation is way cool, i had it on my old android21:23
r0kk3rznh1402: if you wanted it for sailfish it needs not to be cpp but qml/js21:24
nh1402r0kk3rz: exactly why I want it on Sailfish21:24
stephgregarding getting it out to jolla the short answer is probably not officially21:25
stephghowever there are plenty of patches kicking around21:25
r0kk3rzim fairly sure when i first put it on i went around showing everyone21:26
r0kk3rzi was a little bit excited21:26
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nh1402a friend of mine showed it to me, it was great, then Sony removed it in the next update :(21:27
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nh1402r0kk3rz: stephg: here's the source code for the animation https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_base/blob/cm-11.0/services/java/com/android/server/power/ElectronBeam.java , what would be the best way to port it21:30
r0kk3rzmight be able to cook something up in lipstick, not sure how it all works really21:30
nh1402it seems to use gles21:30
r0kk3rzthe android one does yeah21:31
nh1402it seems to squash the height and move inwards, brightens to white and while continuing to squash down, until it's a line, and then reduces the width to nothing21:35
nh1402stephg: but the animation is awesome, why wouldn't Jolla consider it.21:37
phlixinice, but not new21:38
Stskeepsthe reason why it's not happy is that timing to actually suspend/shut off screen can do really nasty shit21:38
stephgnh1402: leaving technical aspects aside, in the past there were (licensing) issues with folks trying to submit patches and also I'd imagine style guide/look and feel21:39
nh1402but there's an animation to turn the screen on, why not off21:42
M4rtinKalso, even though unfortunate, bling sells...21:42
M4rtinKat least to some users21:42
stephgnh1402: by the same token noone is stopping you so hack away!21:43
nh1402the source code seems to be under the apache license v2 license21:43
nh1402stephg: But I would like everyone to have it, or at least have the option to turn it on.21:45
Yanielwell a nice looking interface is perceived to perform better :P21:46
Yanielprobably because users get caught on looking at the interface bling and miss the delays21:46
M4rtinKsame thing about progress bars :)21:47
M4rtinKit they look believable even if totally fake and just masking delays :)21:47
r0kk3rzstephg: it would be nice if we knew an appropriate licence for code we wanted jolla to roll in21:52
nh1402M4rtinK: in this case it's not even that, it's just a cool way to turn the screen off.21:53
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: +121:54
M4rtinKthat calendar enhancement patch that got totally ignored by Jolla developers was really sad21:55
nh1402what enhancement patch is this21:56
Stskeeps(still pushing OSS'ing, fwiw.)21:56
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phlixitalking about calendar... is there a way to have calender events act like alarms?22:04
phlixii mean, that the phone plays a sound or vibrates and has an item in the events view...22:04
phlixi...like an email, or IM, or phone call, etc?22:04
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M4rtinKnh1402: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/005219.html22:05
M4rtinKnh1402: and check for follow-up emails from the same author22:06
M4rtinKthe issue might have been fixed since then or even the patches actually merged, but AFAIK the author never got *any* official reply22:06
M4rtinKwhich I'm afraid is not a good way of handling eager contributors...22:07
M4rtinKStskeeps: good to know! :)22:07
Stskeepsit's not, but then again, we don't actually have a means to accept those code contributions22:07
Stskeepslike, legal means22:07
M4rtinKum, really ?22:07
Stskeepsreally - we'd need it to be signed over to be licensed commercially etc22:08
M4rtinKBSD/public domain/WTFPL or something is not good enough ?22:08
Stskeepswith the suggested OSS scheme a project harmony CLA would be enough22:08
M4rtinKI'm sure at least some people would be willing to sing of whatever just to get code in22:08
Stskeepssure22:09
M4rtinKsure, but that needs to happen first22:09
Stskeepsit's either about finding ways to work around how to contribute to stuff that you technically legally don't have a license to edit in the first place, or push OSS'ing22:09
Stskeeps:P22:09
M4rtinKsecond option is the right one of course22:10
M4rtinKon the other hand the clock is ticking22:10
Stskeepssure22:10
Stskeepsi don't think anybody likes the way things have gone down before but after this rather tough storm, jolla is also another company22:10
M4rtinKand a "good enough" solution might have been running in the meantime22:10
M4rtinKI really hope so22:10
M4rtinKwell, there have been some positive developments for sure22:11
M4rtinKlike lbts docs effort22:11
Stskeepsyes22:11
M4rtinKand generally a bit more information flowing22:12
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: sledges pootling is sounding pretty good too22:12
r0kk3rznot useful for me, but for multilinguists its a real way to contribute22:12
M4rtinKmy only consternation about this is that this is something that should have been done from day one...22:12
StskeepsM4rtinK: hindsight is always 50/50 or how is it..22:12
M4rtinKwell22:13
M4rtinKthat's not hindsight ;-)22:13
M4rtinKits "see, we have been telling you the whole time!" :)22:13
Stskeepsheh22:13
StskeepsasteroidOS is probably best example of jolla OSS'ing policy going the way it was originally intended22:14
Stskeepsmiddleware is -hard-22:14
Stskeepsanybody can do a good QML UX today22:14
Stskeepsit doesn't mean that it was the right choice for sailfishos and it's community22:15
Stskeepsbut in wider scope it made sense to push technologies that made life easier to build exciting devices22:15
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: a friend is running the Czech localization effort on Transifex: https://www.transifex.com/jozef-mlich/jolla-cesky/22:15
M4rtinKr0kk3rz: some of the translators have been already working on MeeGo back then and were really looking forward to "continue" on a familiar platform :)22:16
YanielStskeeps: what do you mean "the way it was intended"?22:16
StskeepsYaniel: the way i originally planned it as while we weren't for various reasons to go OSS with the UX22:17
r0kk3rzM4rtinK: yeah i think it will work well22:17
StskeepsYaniel: +able22:17
StskeepsYaniel: it was meant to spawn innovation on top of the middleware and core, not try and do the same thing over and over again (mobile UX'es)22:17
Stskeepson new emerging spaces (hdmi sticks, smartwatches, etc)22:17
YanielI guess thanks qcom & others22:18
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Stskeepsnah, this was entirely jolla's own doing :)22:18
M4rtinKwell, it certainly almost killed Nemo22:18
StskeepsM4rtinK: you'll also have to remember that most original jolla employees were nemo, practically22:19
M4rtinKespecially when all Jolla people basically stopped contributing (I guess due to firefighting)22:19
Yanielah22:19
M4rtinKthat is the *were* part ;-)22:19
Stskeepssure22:19
Yanielwell, Jolla is dying and the market looks bleak :(22:20
Stskeepsjolla's by far dead22:20
Yaniel(mine that is)22:20
Stskeepswell, ok, maybe the brand is a bit tainted by now, but sailfishos is very alive22:20
Stskeepswith emphasis on 'a bit'22:20
M4rtinKweeel22:21
Yaniela <s> </s> emphasis I suppose22:21
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M4rtinKalso, I had multiple people tell me "Jolla, it is that company that went bakrupt/out of business recently, right ?" recently22:22
Stskeepssure22:22
Stskeepswhich it never was, despite what some twitter accounts said22:22
M4rtinKI guess one can easily think that if not following news very closely22:23
Stskeepsnod22:23
Stskeepswell, MWC is coming up, let's see what happens :)22:23
M4rtinKalso "the sky is falling!" news is usually louder than the "skyfall suspended for another 11 months" ones22:24
mal-we'll be waiting22:24
sledges;)22:24
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* Stskeeps hopes he doesn't get food poisoning this year22:24
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sledgeswhat kind of cola was there 2 years ago?:))22:24
Stskeepsthe lesson that the only reliable food you can get at MWC is at the mcdonalds across the street.22:25
sledgesor ikea swedish meatballz!22:25
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M4rtinKyeah, the general "exotic country" rule22:26
sledgeswas it this one http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/angrybirds/images/d/db/Tropic.cola.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130331155009 ?22:26
M4rtinKsledges: oh, I know that one22:27
sledgesmore like in-exhibition catering services of unknown origins and preparation culture:)22:27
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M4rtinKsledges: it used to be sold in some Okay convenience stores here in CZ22:27
Stskeepssledges: ah.. the expired angry birds cans22:27
sledgesyes22:27
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Stskeepsthat probably didn't help either, no22:29
M4rtinKwe had this bright blue lemonades on the Fedora stand on pyconcz:22:31
M4rtinKhttps://twitter.com/freakboy3742/status/66582985053665689822:31
M4rtinKhttps://twitter.com/hroncok/status/66598548744273920422:31
sledgeszoink22:31
sledgesyes! angry birds can with a right-there evidence :D https://twitter.com/cybette/status/43798996777658777622:36
Stskeepsmeh, i miss some of those devices22:37
Stskeeps:P22:37
sledgesshall i send them back? :D22:37
Stskeepswonder who has the mi2s22:37
sledgesi remember jusa_ hacking i9105 pulseaudio on pre-mwc sunday with lbt, and then us sending a new image to harha on the plane :D22:39
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Stskeepsbbl22:43
Stskeepsi930522:43
Stskeeps:P22:43
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r0kk3rzsledges: its always better if its last minute22:46
sledgesofc:))22:47
sledgesr0kk3rz: if it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would ever get done;)22:47
r0kk3rzso true22:47
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