#jollamobile log for Tuesday, 2016-02-16

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ICantCookwhat's the average dispatch time from the Jolla shop?04:06
ICantCookI paid for an order 10 days ago and the status is still "Paid"04:07
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Helle*pout* gpodder is being a butt, can't have more then the default of 200 visible episodes per podcast09:40
Hellewhich is annoying if you listen to episodal fiction, etc09:41
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r0kk3rzHelle: you cant filter it do unplayed?09:47
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Heller0kk3rz: the problem is that it seems to be ignoring it's setting, which still only goes to 100009:48
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r0kk3rzHelle: does the settings page keep the setting?09:53
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Helleyep, but appaerently, funnily enough, the issue is not the client..... gpodder has their own podcast feed aggregation site09:54
Helleand THAT is hardcoded to 200.....09:55
Helleso subscribing to the original feed directly works around it09:55
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phlixi_oHelle: are you using gpodder on sailfish?10:01
Helleyes10:01
Hellebut the bug is with their website/aggregator10:01
Hellenot the app appaerently10:01
phlixi_onope10:01
r0kk3rzHelle: hah, im looking at the client code going "well, theres nothing obviously wrong..."10:01
phlixi_oit has no gpodder.net connection10:01
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phlixi_oyou can set the limit to a bigger value than 200 - which you already did10:02
phlixi_oi do not remember what i did, but i have podcasts with more than 200 episodes added and listening to episodes older than 20010:02
phlixi_oi guess i re added those feeds10:02
phlixi_otry removing the feed and adding it (while having a limit >20010:02
phlixi_othen you should have the feed with more than 200 episodes10:03
phlixi_obut it is not related to gpodder.net since gpodder.net is not integrated into the sailfish version of gpüodder10:03
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Hellephlixi_o: uuuuh, I get "Discover Podcasts" which leads to gpodder.net search10:04
phlixi_owell i never used that feature10:04
phlixi_ojust add the feed url10:04
Hellebut idk about remove and readd, because then I lose what I already listened to10:04
phlixi_oif you dont like to readd, feel free to change the code in order to get the older episodes without readding...10:05
phlixi_oregarding gpodder.net integration i was talking about the sync, which the 2.x and 3.x branches have10:06
phlixi_oalso i asume that the discover feature also only gives the feed url10:06
Hellephlixi_o: yeah, but it is a re-feed from the gpodder website, not the original one10:06
phlixi_ouuuuuuuhhhhh take the original feed?10:07
Helleyes, that is what I just did10:08
Hellebut I can't edit the feed URL, so now I have two feeds10:08
Helle(wondering, it's a sqlite database, where does it live10:08
phlixi_oits not10:08
phlixi_oits a zipped json10:09
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phlixi_oin the download folder10:09
phlixi_obut if you have two, then remove them and add the original one10:09
phlixi_ohmm10:11
phlixi_oin the last update the format changed10:11
phlixi_oits not longer a ziped json10:11
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phlixi_oits sqlite again10:13
phlixi_oDatabase.minidb10:13
phlixi_oyou might end up with duplicate episodes...10:13
phlixi_obut in the end you can always remove the feed and readd it^^^10:14
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bernteAny chances that TuringPhone will see the light of day?10:46
SfietKonstantinWbernte: dunno10:46
SfietKonstantinWlet's see10:46
ggabrielyes10:46
ggabrielI mean, the answer to that question is yes, there are chances10:46
ggabrielthe real question is what are those chances10:46
ggabrielbut I don't think anybody here knows10:46
bernteIf they are trying to get Jolla into the phone, they should have reached out to the community at some point - shouldn't they?10:47
bernteSailfishOS I mean ;-)10:47
ggabrielno, why?10:47
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: now that everybody hates Turing since they don't use Android anymore10:47
SfietKonstantinWchances are lower10:47
SfietKonstantinW(lower money)10:48
ggabrielthat's a shame... especially if they license it properly they get to run alien dalvik10:48
SfietKonstantinWggabriel: they claim to get google play compliance10:49
SfietKonstantinWIMO this only point makes the manufacturer suspicious10:49
fluxbut turing has Æmæth UI10:50
bernteThe thing that makes me most suspicious is that their website (company) is broken and contains 0 information.10:50
fluxsurely that beats whatever unpronouncable sailfishos release?10:50
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ggabrielI think they struggle to update the website10:51
ggabrielbut time will tell10:51
ggabrielit isn't like you buy it anyway, not even preorder it10:51
fluxseems pretty sweet, but I'll wait till it can be actually be bought (by someone else first) :)10:51
bernteIF they really release the Hardware, I am the first one to order. Now on Android only because the hardware of Jolla is kind of outdated (I needed a proper camera).10:53
fluxseems like that kind of phone might be a bit on the pricey side10:53
bernteBut I burnt my fingers on the tablet. So, no preorder from me. :-(10:53
bernteflux, don't care - have my priorities straight ... ;-)10:54
SfietKonstantinWbernte: go Fairphone10:54
fluxsadly, it doesn't have keyboard.. :)10:54
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bernteSfietKonstantinW, the camera there is also only 8 MP ... :-(((10:55
fluxif only the megapixels told the truth10:55
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fluxjolla's 8 MP sucks the bottom ;-(10:55
fluxbut N9's was decent10:56
SfietKonstantinWflux: it was even great10:57
SfietKonstantinWbernte: go buy a point and shoot10:57
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bernteSfietKonstantinW, just got a Nikon D3000, but when you just had a baby, you might not always have the camera on the 'important moments' ....10:59
ggabrielbernte: no phone camera is going to focus quickly enough for baby pictures11:00
ggabrieljust saying11:00
ggabrielyou need a proper slr or a decent mirrorless11:00
SfietKonstantinWbernte: I see11:01
SfietKonstantinWmy solution: do not take photos :D11:01
SfietKonstantinW(even if I'm chinese)11:01
birdzhangOrz11:02
birdzhangI'm Chinese11:03
birdzhang😂11:03
SfietKonstantinWbirdzhang: I know :) :P11:10
SfietKonstantinWthere is also TMavica around11:10
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lainwir3dQMLWeb is quite nice and functionnal13:10
lainwir3dquite surprising13:10
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r0kk3rzlainwir3d: i wonder why we cant just use QML rather than some weird QML to JS thing13:14
r0kk3rzafter all, html/js is just a runtime13:14
lainwir3dWell it would be better indeed13:15
lainwir3dbut qmlweb is a start13:15
lainwir3dbut it is not without quirks13:16
fluxr0kk3rz, what do you mean 'just use QML'? why don't browsers support QML?13:16
flux+ "did you mean that "13:17
r0kk3rzlainwir3d: for eg https://github.com/cybercatalyst/methane13:17
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r0kk3rzflux: yeah basically. currently the browser runtime is HTML/JS, not QML/JS13:17
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r0kk3rzbut you can dynamically load QML just like you can dynamically load HTML13:18
fluxr0kk3rz, well, because nobody has done it :)13:18
fluxr0kk3rz, and even if one browser did do it, the others would still need to do it as well to be any serious use13:18
Tofelainwir3d: I don't really the benefit, as all the c++ parts should be rewritten in JS, which is a bit of a non-sense13:18
r0kk3rzof course13:18
fluxall browsers already support js, so it's the best way to actually get something that can be used.13:18
tadzikhuh, that's a pretty interesting concept13:19
fluxtofe, can't you use emscripten.. :)13:19
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r0kk3rztadzik: dont you think this would be an awesome way to make dynamic web apps rather than being chained to HTML?13:19
tadzikr0kk3rz: I do indeed13:20
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fluxand there was this other new c++-to-js converter around I can't recall the name of13:20
Tofeflux: and then get a js that could have been there from the beginning in the qml project?13:20
fluxtofe, well, you get to write it in C++, featuring amazing things like types :)13:20
lainwir3dTofe: 'cause I hate the html / js / css trio, so even a non-sensical way to run QML is fine by me :P13:21
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tadzikflux: have you tried typescript? :)13:21
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fluxno, but I'm well aware of it13:21
fluxhave you tried writing QML in Typescript?-)13:21
Accethe worst thing in HTML/CSS is positioning IMO13:21
tadzikit's a bit awkward to use with QML, but it's still better :P13:22
Accewhich works really well in QML13:22
tadzikflux: not QML in typescript, but I have typescript talking to QML and vice versa :)13:22
Tofewhat you want guys is a big canvas with a descriptive file for doing some UI; I'm pretty sure it has already been done?13:22
Accelainwir3d: has the qmlweb had any recent updates? Last year it seemed awfully quiet..13:23
TofeAnyway, if you want to use qmlweb, that's none of my business :)13:23
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lainwir3dAcce: last update seems last august unfortunately, in a github fork13:25
lainwir3dthis fork : https://github.com/arnopaehler/qmlweb13:25
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fluxbtw, just having a second implementation of QML would be a great first step into formalizing its behavior beyond the single implementation of qt.13:27
fluxthough it seems that's not what's going to happen :)13:27
Accelainwir3d: oh, ok.. I saw it on projects.kde.org, or here https://github.com/KDE/qmlweb but looks like it's same as the fork13:28
lainwir3dyeah looks like it's the same13:29
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lainwir3dI'm rewriting my blog using it13:30
lainwir3dnot sure I'll finish that, at first it was just to test it, but it's starting to look like something so... I figured I'll continue a bit ;-)13:31
AcceI tried it out, but too many things not working that well.. like Repeaters. and I have no time or skill to dive in deep to that code13:31
fennekkiQML is13:31
fennekki...something13:31
fennekkiit's definitely something13:31
fennekkithere's a lot of things in it that would've been better implemented as a small JS api13:32
lainwir3dAcce: I had to fix something to get ListView working dynamically for me, and it's based on Repeater apparently.13:32
fennekkiinstead we get faux-elements like timers13:32
fennekkinot that I particularly like JS either but It Does the Job I Guess13:32
lainwir3dhttp://www.lainwir3d.net/blog2/ (source http://www.lainwir3d.net/blog2/qml/main.qml)13:33
r0kk3rzfennekki: if you want that kind of thing, you can just create a timer qml obj in JS13:36
r0kk3rzeffectively the same thing, but you dont have this mix of UI qml and logic qml13:37
fennekkimm13:37
fennekkiit just feels a bit silly that it's an element in the first place13:37
fennekkiI guess it's for easier interop between everything, or something13:37
fennekkican hook to the same timer from JS and C++ and other QML13:38
r0kk3rzfennekki: yeah a little, but qml gets interpreted into cpp objects, and so there is a direct mapping between the cpp api and qml api13:38
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AcceI don't see any problem with invisible / logical elements, you're basically describing objects, which may or may not have a visual representation13:44
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Accebut still they are logically a unit13:44
r0kk3rzAcce: its a little bit jarring coming from a MVC type arrangement, where your ui code is removed from your logic code13:46
r0kk3rzbut not a bad thing, i quite like qml really13:47
fennekkiit's rather silly to couple logic with UI description that much13:47
Accewell, you could write your non-visual objects in separate files if you wanted to13:47
fennekkiI guess I could just create timers on the C++ side, too13:47
fennekkiyeah13:47
fennekkior create QML objects in JS as said13:47
Accebut I think that does not really serve a purpose even if you absolutely want to break UI description from logic..13:48
AcceI think UI logic is also part of the UI13:48
lainwir3d+113:48
r0kk3rzto a point for sure13:48
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fennekkiit wasn't for UI logic so much as logic I wanted to implement in JS rather than C++13:49
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r0kk3rzi'm playing around with using qml/js wholesale without a backing cpp/py/go or whatever13:49
fennekkibecause in C++ I would've had to do a massive amount of boilerplate for the same thing13:49
AcceI see, well, the pure QML apps are different in that way I guess13:50
fennekkiI ended up having to do it in C++ anyway in the end because there was no satisfying way to do the thing in QML + JS13:50
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r0kk3rzbecause using pure qml, you can just go a git clone X; qmlscene main.qml and boom. app is running13:51
r0kk3rzon any platform13:51
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fennekkion any platform that has the Qt support libraries installed13:52
fennekkiand any custom QML libraries13:52
fennekkibut yeah I get that13:52
r0kk3rznaturally you need the runtime installed, same with *any* computer program13:52
fennekkithat said, if someone has ideas on how to use the Qt crypto APIs from JS I'm listening13:52
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fennekkiQt just happens to be a relatively big runtime13:53
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r0kk3rzit is, but it gets you a lot13:54
r0kk3rzinstead of having to download it every time through all the various JS frameworks and toolkits that webapps are made with these days13:55
r0kk3rzbecause html is too static, and too light13:55
Acceand CSS is not a cure13:57
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fennekkiwebapps are sin and must be destroyed14:01
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r0kk3rz'webapps' are just plain text code you can download and run14:04
r0kk3rzno reason you cant do the same thing with any plain text language, like python, or go14:04
fennekkiwebapps are sin14:05
fennekkiand must be destroyed14:05
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phlixi_ofennekki: wenapps as a cencept are superb. what makes them ugly most of the time is just the implementation details15:57
phlixi_owebapps*15:57
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fluxas a concept of uploading part of the ui to client to allow fast responsiveness I agree, it's great16:05
fluxas the way how it's done, it's horrible16:05
wysiwtfwen an app feels like a browser without an address bar something went wrong16:06
wysiwtfif16:06
SQUelcherwysiwtf! you're stalking me :P16:06
wysiwtfactually im waiting on my jolla tab refund ;p16:07
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tiwakehttps://www.khronos.org/news/press/khronos-releases-vulkan-1-0-specification16:37
tiwakevulkan 1.0 specs released16:37
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kimmoliTMavica: pingpong. http://repo.merproject.org/obs//home:/kimmoli:/tohs/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/harbour-ambience-toholed-0.4.17-29.1.armv7hl.rpm19:59
kimmoliTMavica: ^ test that with real sailorgram. or someone else with Sailorgram and Toholed.19:59
kimmoliit reacts only to notification, not to Beep (notificationfg)20:00
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eekkelundkimmoli: works here, thanks:)20:11
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eekkelundexcept that notification stuck there20:15
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kimmoli?20:21
kimmolihmm.. seems so20:22
kimmoliäh20:22
kimmolifix soon20:24
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kimmolieekkelund: TMavica: http://repo.merproject.org/obs//home:/kimmoli:/tohs/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/harbour-ambience-toholed-0.4.17-30.1.armv7hl.rpm20:30
eekkelundNow it seems to work, thanks again :)20:35
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kimmolithanks for testing20:35
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