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PaulePanter | Hi. https://shmh-museumsdienst.giantmonkey.de show the menu incorrectly on my Jolla phone. | 09:33 |
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PaulePanter | It works correctly on Ubuntu phone and iPhone. | 09:33 |
PaulePanter | Could you | 09:34 |
PaulePanter | please | 09:34 |
PaulePanter | 1st try to reproduce it, | 09:34 |
PaulePanter | 2nd tell me where to report it? | 09:34 |
ggabriel | PaulePanter: together.jolla.com | 09:34 |
ggabriel | fwiw, the browser is open source | 09:34 |
PaulePanter | Well, no time to dig into it. I expect the browser to work. | 09:35 |
ggabriel | not all browsers work with all websites | 09:35 |
PaulePanter | But good to know that it is free software. | 09:35 |
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PaulePanter | ggabriel: I know that there are problems. But if it works on two other phones and with Firefox/Iceweasel set to the resolution on the desktop, I am pretty certain itβs a bug. | 09:36 |
ggabriel | huh? iphone doesn't use anything firefox | 09:37 |
ggabriel | and what you say doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bug on the jolla browser | 09:37 |
ggabriel | it may still be a problem with the website | 09:37 |
ggabriel | anyway | 09:38 |
ggabriel | report it in together.jolla.com | 09:38 |
PaulePanter | Will it be acted upon? | 09:38 |
PaulePanter | I am still hesitant to use a forum as a bug tracker. | 09:38 |
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Tegu | PaulePanter: how does it work incorrectly? it seems to work for me (at least in some way?) | 09:39 |
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Yaniel | you could open an issue on the github repo I guess | 09:40 |
Yaniel | but those have a sad history of bureaucracy | 09:40 |
ggabriel | PaulePanter: if it gets enough votes and people want to... it's open source... | 09:40 |
Tegu | using Saimaa | 09:40 |
PaulePanter | Tegu: Do you see the image right below the top bar or some text which looks like the description of the menu? | 09:40 |
PaulePanter | ggabriel: That does not sound very professional. | 09:41 |
PaulePanter | Yaniel: Thank you for the hint. | 09:41 |
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r0kk3rz | PaulePanter: theres an existing post about sites that dont work in the jolla browswer | 09:41 |
r0kk3rz | add to that | 09:41 |
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PaulePanter | Tegu: I also have 2.0.0.10 installed. | 09:42 |
PaulePanter | r0kk3rz: Interesting. Thank you. | 09:42 |
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Tegu | PaulePanter: I wonder what description do you mean | 09:42 |
PaulePanter | Instead of the image I see blue text. | 09:43 |
PaulePanter | *Instead of seeing the image directly, I see blue text above it. | 09:44 |
Tegu | I don't see any blue text | 09:46 |
Tegu | except for the links actually, but they look just fine | 09:46 |
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PaulePanter | Tegu: Ok, then there is a different problem, if you cannot reproduce it. | 09:47 |
Tegu | PaulePanter: any screenshot? | 09:47 |
PaulePanter | Iβll try to get one in the evening. | 09:48 |
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PaulePanter | Thank you for the help. Iβll try to debug it further. | 09:48 |
Tegu | PaulePanter: where should the odd text be? http://m.imgur.com/N0RAx7L,FIHtR5T,2F4f9V3 | 09:49 |
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chem|st | http://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/MWC_2016_press_release_240216_65.pdf | 09:55 |
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Tofe | chem|st: so, apart from mi-fone, nothing really new so far | 10:00 |
SfietKonstantinW | well | 10:00 |
SfietKonstantinW | 3 partners (europe, asia, africa) is pretty good for a company this size | 10:01 |
SfietKonstantinW | that went through their 3rd valley of death | 10:01 |
chem|st | Tofe: not really but targeting mass-markets of tailored-apps-os is what made Nokia no1 once | 10:02 |
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tbr | gotta love how they aligned themselves with the industry even more in the (ab)use of the word 'open'. -- naming something open is like naming a country 'democratic'\ | 10:02 |
PaulePanter | Tegu: When the menu is collapsed, right where the menu on your screenshot is. | 10:02 |
tadzik | not really sure if the 3rd partner (fairphone) counts. They do mention that they will be supporting the *community* to port sailfish to fairphone. | 10:02 |
Tegu | PaulePanter: weird if you see it but I don't | 10:03 |
tadzik | ah, but they consider actual collaboration too | 10:03 |
Tegu | with same versions and all | 10:03 |
PaulePanter | Tegu: Thank you for the help. Iβll look further into it. | 10:03 |
tadzik | I also like how the document is titled "Microsoft Word" >:D | 10:04 |
chem|st | tbr: stop the FUD, mer is FOSS, and there is a lot of stuff closed Jolla would not even have the liberty to open as it isn't theirs in the firstplace (I understand the grudge with the core apps!) | 10:04 |
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tbr | chem|st: well well, straight to ad hominem, ain't we friendly today | 10:05 |
lainwir3d | "Microsoft Word - MWC 2016_press_release_240216.doc" | 10:05 |
lainwir3d | holy crap, they made the statement using microsoft word D-: | 10:05 |
lainwir3d | we're doomed | 10:05 |
SfietKonstantinW | I still don't like the open thing yeah | 10:05 |
chem|st | tbr: you are talking abuse as if the word is any less offensive | 10:05 |
Tegu | "Producer: Mac OS X 10.10.2 Quartz PDFContext" | 10:05 |
tbr | chem|st: notice that I wasn't referring to open source, I was referring to their use of the word 'open' in general | 10:05 |
chem|st | tbr: yeah sry bit on the hot edge today | 10:06 |
tbr | chem|st: and where did I call you a child-abuser to justify a retaliation with direct ad hominem attack? | 10:06 |
tbr | you should get yourself a big fat cup of chill the fark out | 10:06 |
chem|st | tbr: will do :/ | 10:07 |
chem|st | lainwir3d: all press releases have been that way?! | 10:07 |
Tegu | hum.. has the Sailfish OS logo changed, btw? it's different on the press release. not the usual Seagate-like logo | 10:08 |
tbr | yes it has changed | 10:08 |
tbr | and in my opinion it's fugly | 10:08 |
SfietKonstantinW | it is weired :( | 10:08 |
Tegu | ye :/ | 10:08 |
lainwir3d | chem|st: don't know actually, just noticed on this one ;-) | 10:08 |
tbr | and they must have fired all their graphics designers. The abuse of Helvetica in the logo is strong | 10:08 |
Tegu | and sailfishos.org has both logos \o/ | 10:09 |
chem|st | Tegu: maybe Mark has his TM on it^^ | 10:09 |
chem|st | it now looks more like seahorse than sailfish | 10:10 |
Tegu | yea, the spike is too short | 10:10 |
Tegu | (horn? whatever it is called) | 10:10 |
Guest48931 | I like how sailfishos.org has the old logo on every page except the main one | 10:11 |
chem|st | spear? | 10:11 |
chem|st | speer? | 10:11 |
r0kk3rz | Guest48931: i guess that was part of the update they wanted to roll out before MWC | 10:11 |
chem|st | tbr: ugly font | 10:11 |
r0kk3rz | which didnt happen | 10:11 |
chem|st | tbr: and that is child-abuse! | 10:12 |
r0kk3rz | i wonder whether they really need to spell out the 'OS' at the end | 10:12 |
r0kk3rz | why cant it just be called sailfish? | 10:12 |
Tegu | sailfish.org at least goes to somewhere else (just tried to go to sailfishos.org but forgot the os) | 10:13 |
Helle | probably because sailfish can't be trademarked (easily) | 10:13 |
the_mgt | I agree with tbr in general, the use of the word "open" in business speech is disambigous at best. microsoft sports it in various ways which make me wanna puke | 10:13 |
r0kk3rz | Helle: why not? trademarks are industry specific | 10:13 |
Helle | r0kk3rz: it's harder atleast let's put it that way | 10:14 |
Helle | r0kk3rz: you can technically, but it's harder to uphold the more normal the word becomes | 10:14 |
Helle | otoh, I wonder if they'd ever run into an issue where trademark comes into play...... | 10:14 |
r0kk3rz | yeah possibly | 10:16 |
r0kk3rz | i just think having the OS at the end is a little ugly, but sometimes things are more complicated than just asthetics | 10:17 |
Guest48931 | What will Jolla Store be called from now on? Sailfish OS Store? | 10:20 |
Guest48931 | Does it fit in the Launcher? | 10:20 |
tadzik | Fish market! | 10:20 |
kjetilho | "Sail Sale" | 10:20 |
tadzik | :D | 10:20 |
Tofe | The 'OS' at the end is just so that people know we are talking about a OS | 10:21 |
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Tofe | iOS, webOS, SailfishOS, etc | 10:21 |
Guest48931 | SailStore`? | 10:21 |
Guest48931 | Storefish... | 10:21 |
tbr | chem|st: be happy they didn't use Arial, but the slightly better looking Helvetica LT. Still it doesn't fit the logo at all. | 10:21 |
tadzik | Yolo Store? | 10:22 |
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Guest48931 | Why do devs throw "sail" and "fish" into all app names? | 10:22 |
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Guest48931 | Sailculator! Calendarfish | 10:22 |
Guest48931 | Fishterm | 10:22 |
Yaniel | FisherTerm* | 10:22 |
Guest48931 | (btw, where is the source for Sailfish version of Fingerterm available?) | 10:23 |
Guest48931 | (I mean the one which uses Sailfish keyboard) | 10:23 |
stephg | Guest48931: it's in git somewhere | 10:25 |
stephg | either at merproject or github | 10:25 |
Guest48931 | I've had enough of BTRFS, can I format my Jolla's memory as ext4 and flash Sailfish onto it? Is that possible? | 10:25 |
Guest48931 | stephg: thanks | 10:25 |
stephg | Guest48931: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/fingerterm | 10:26 |
stephg | Guest48931: Guest48931 if you take backups you probably can | 10:26 |
Tofe | Guest48931: it's possible, and certainly won't boot; some scripts make the assumption the rootfs uses btrfs, iirc | 10:26 |
Guest48931 | stephg: Nice, would you like to be the first to test this theory? | 10:26 |
Guest48931 | Tofe: The tablet has a different fs, so if the OS is the same on both it should tolerate multiple filesystems | 10:27 |
Tofe | yep, if they use the same scripts for both | 10:28 |
stephg | Guest48931: hell no | 10:28 |
r0kk3rz | Tofe: android.... os? | 10:28 |
stephg | tablet is ext4 | 10:28 |
Guest48931 | stephg: so the os supports ext4? | 10:28 |
Guest48931 | if so, why can't we switch our Jolla's fs to ext4? | 10:29 |
r0kk3rz | Guest48931: because we lack images | 10:29 |
stephg | Guest48931: you can, but you need to be careful you don't brick it | 10:29 |
r0kk3rz | and you'd have to re-eng the recovery | 10:29 |
Guest48931 | Can we make images ourselves? It's legal for your own use, as far as copyright laws go in Finland | 10:30 |
mal- | ported devices use ext4 in rootfs | 10:30 |
stephg | actually r0kk3rz is right about recovery:- recovery goes away if you do this | 10:30 |
Guest48931 | Pfff, who needs recovery? | 10:31 |
Guest48931 | jk | 10:31 |
Tofe | stephg: well, at that point, you may as well write your own :p | 10:31 |
r0kk3rz | if you have a flashable image its not so bad anyway | 10:31 |
stephg | hehe | 10:31 |
Tofe | I've only used recovery to dump the whole image to a backup | 10:32 |
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Guest48931 | Care can flash your OS if bricked, so if we got control of their equipment we can achieve UNLIMITED POWAAAR!!!! | 10:34 |
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Tofe | Guest48931: as long as you have access to recovery, and you took a backup image *before* bricking everything, it should be fine I think. Risky though. | 10:41 |
Guest48931 | Tofe: k | 10:41 |
stephg | personally I wouldn't bother | 10:42 |
stephg | buy an sd card and use that instead :D | 10:43 |
Guest48931 | stephg: mount home on sd? | 10:46 |
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stephg | Guest48931 nah I just have duplicated directory structure and a couple of symlinks for things like cutespot | 10:51 |
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M4rtinK | FYI: https://twitter.com/Fairphone/status/702466890074099712 | 12:17 |
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kjetilho | is Ubuntu Touch more open that SailfishOS? | 12:34 |
kjetilho | *than | 12:34 |
AL13N_work | i don't like how canonical does things in the FOSS community | 12:35 |
kjetilho | 56% SFOS :) | 12:35 |
M4rtinK | well all of their code is open source (GPLv3 mostly IIRC), right ? | 12:37 |
M4rtinK | on the other hand from what I've heard they don't really develop in the open | 12:37 |
M4rtinK | & don't react much to user feedback | 12:38 |
M4rtinK | so Sailfish OS still feels more user driven even if not fully open source | 12:38 |
r0kk3rz | kjetilho: i think this entirely depends on your definition of open | 12:38 |
M4rtinK | which is quite a strange situation | 12:38 |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: +1 | 12:38 |
tbr | for a lot of components you can just plug in nemomobile apps etc | 12:39 |
kjetilho | r0kk3rz: the one non-open thing about SFOS which annoys me is the Dalvik implementation | 12:39 |
kjetilho | but I guess Ubuntu would have the same licencing issue | 12:39 |
tbr | well there is an open source project trying to tackle that | 12:39 |
r0kk3rz | kjetilho: compared to ubuntu which has no android runtime? | 12:39 |
kjetilho | right | 12:39 |
r0kk3rz | you can, just not install android runtime and have exactly the same :) | 12:40 |
M4rtinK | kjetilho: not really an issue for me personally | 12:40 |
M4rtinK | other things irritate me much more - like the closed source core apps & component set | 12:40 |
M4rtinK | there are lots of small yet really irritating issues | 12:41 |
r0kk3rz | being able to contribute to the component set would be nice... | 12:41 |
M4rtinK | that could be easily fixed if the given component was open source and/or they accepted patches | 12:41 |
M4rtinK | same thing about the docs for the components & other parts of the OS | 12:42 |
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M4rtinK | if they exist they are full of errors | 12:42 |
M4rtinK | well at least this might improve in the future thanks to lbts effort | 12:42 |
r0kk3rz | yeah there are areas of improvement coming | 12:43 |
r0kk3rz | in docs and translations | 12:43 |
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M4rtinK | sure | 12:45 |
r0kk3rz | dual licencing is being pushed internally, and now they're short staffed they might actually really do it | 12:46 |
M4rtinK | but the issue I have with this that it is taking ages | 12:46 |
r0kk3rz | yeah its not a quick process i guess | 12:46 |
M4rtinK | I know its not easy to do properly when you are short on people | 12:46 |
M4rtinK | but at the same time it is painful to watch all the potential being wasted | 12:46 |
Tofe | r0kk3rz: well, we didn't hear a word about license topic since they survived financial issues | 12:47 |
r0kk3rz | Tofe: thats not true, it was talked about @ FOSDEM meeting | 12:47 |
M4rtinK | people are waiting for the chance to help you *for free* | 12:47 |
AL13N_work | except for Stskeeps who was trying to push it internally | 12:47 |
r0kk3rz | AL13N_work: and still is | 12:47 |
M4rtinK | letting them wait for 2-3 years (translations, open sourcing, etc.) is not a good idea... | 12:48 |
AL13N_work | i'm just referring to the meeting@FOSDEM | 12:48 |
r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: its not our company, they can run the ship how they want | 12:48 |
r0kk3rz | the fact that they even listen or engage with us at all is a miracle | 12:49 |
M4rtinK | yeah | 12:49 |
AL13N_work | sad but true | 12:49 |
M4rtinK | but seeing things crash and burn at least twice (N900 & N9) makes you wish they averted the same old mistakes | 12:49 |
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M4rtinK | also having the insight into how a big community distro works (Fedora) makes you want to point out collaboration mistakes when people make them | 12:50 |
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pdanek | Today Jolla should announce new partnerships? | 13:11 |
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r0kk3rz | pdanek: they did | 13:16 |
r0kk3rz | pdanek: http://www.mi-fone.mobi/ << these guys in africa | 13:17 |
Yaniel | also fairphone partnership is a thing | 13:21 |
Stskeeps | turing was on the list too | 13:22 |
SfietKonstantinW | ha ! | 13:28 |
SfietKonstantinW | so that turing thing is not "nothing" | 13:28 |
Yaniel | that remains to be seen | 13:30 |
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taaem | https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/MWC_2016_press_release_240216_65.pdf | 13:32 |
r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: turing was curiously absent from the press release i thought | 13:33 |
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pdanek | Why is Turing absent? | 13:39 |
pdanek | Turing is like biggest news of all, isn't it? | 13:39 |
kjetilho | it's not news, since Turing has announced it already? | 13:40 |
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yestoall | probably it's better to not focus on the Turing "deal" | 13:41 |
pdanek | right | 13:41 |
yestoall | that's hell of an undercover operation | 13:41 |
pdanek | !seen TMAvica | 13:41 |
merbot | pdanek: TMAvica was last seen in #jollamobile 1 day, 8 hours, 38 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <TMavica> It is a good profit businness if buy and sell intex phone to europe | 13:41 |
mornfall | Stskeeps: which list? | 13:42 |
pdanek | TMAvica: Are you there? | 13:42 |
mornfall | M4rtinK: oh come on, user feedback on sailfish? tjc is a dump | 13:44 |
r0kk3rz | pdanek: a manufacturer that has never sold a phone is bigger news than successful manufacturers? | 13:44 |
pdanek | r0kk3rz: good point | 13:45 |
mornfall | r0kk3rz: sailfish on fairphone will have no android runtime either | 13:46 |
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mornfall | r0kk3rz: at least for the time being | 13:46 |
mornfall | that might change if jolla steps up, but that has never happened so far | 13:46 |
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Stskeeps | mornfall: well, the fairphone demoed today had alien dalvik (demo) on it | 13:47 |
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mornfall | so maybe we'll be able to buy it in the jolla store one day | 13:52 |
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mornfall | (that'd *hopefully* work on other community ports then, too) | 13:53 |
pdanek | Stskeeps: Did it??? | 13:54 |
pdanek | wow | 13:54 |
entil | whoah | 13:54 |
pdanek | the only problem is that tiny battery on Fairphone 2 | 13:54 |
pdanek | and only 2GB ram | 13:54 |
entil | there is hope after all | 13:54 |
entil | pdanek: otoh (no pun intended) the jolla phone has only a gig | 13:55 |
entil | of ram | 13:55 |
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kjetilho | my Jolla has very good battery life -- as long as messageserver5 doesn't start spinning :) | 13:56 |
mornfall | entil: most of that extra RAM will be lost to the hi-res display | 13:56 |
mornfall | wayland is pretty memory-hungry | 13:56 |
entil | hmmh, I got a new battery recently (completely unsupported) and it doesn't really get me through the day, though it is better, so I blame heavier use of android messaging apps like whatsapp and signal :( | 13:56 |
entil | but seriously cool if there's going to be alien dalvik for the fairphone 2 | 13:57 |
pdanek | Stskeeps: is the demo on YT somewhere? | 13:58 |
Stskeeps | pdanek: no idea | 13:59 |
Stskeeps | but it acts like alien dalvik anywhere else | 13:59 |
Stskeeps | or on l500d | 13:59 |
Stskeeps | ugh | 13:59 |
Stskeeps | i mean, aquafish | 13:59 |
entil | and then there's the turing... | 14:00 |
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yestoall | it's amazing how much attention the Turing gets from a community that has been enduring no shows for quite some time :-) | 14:02 |
yestoall | but history is repeating itself | 14:02 |
yestoall | :-) | 14:02 |
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M4rtinK | mornfall: TJC is a dump, but that's not fully fault of the community | 14:20 |
M4rtinK | mornfall: its at least partially due to parts of infrastructure that are just missing | 14:20 |
M4rtinK | mornfall: like no bug tracker for Sailfish OS components, no Sailfish OS wiki, etc. | 14:20 |
M4rtinK | mornfall: also Jolla not really responding to questions doesn't help with the general chaos | 14:21 |
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mornfall | M4rtinK: right, so I don't se how that makes sailfish more 'open' (in the non-OSS sense) than ubuntu | 14:33 |
mornfall | it's still a cathedral-style effort in both cases | 14:34 |
mornfall | but ubuntu makes the source available | 14:34 |
mornfall | a whole bunch of sailfish source is accidentally available (because it's QML and JS distributed in source form) | 14:34 |
locusf | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SailfishOS | 14:34 |
mornfall | but other than that, it's not really OSS | 14:34 |
locusf | wiki's here ^ | 14:36 |
narchi4 | wheres my refund | 14:37 |
mornfall | locusf: Qt -> placeholder :P | 14:38 |
kimmoli | lots of placeholders there.. | 14:38 |
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entil | yestoall: it looks like sexy vaporware | 14:49 |
mornfall | entil: turing phone? not even very sexy | 14:50 |
mornfall | so, fairphone replacement modules add up to 185β¬ (including the display module)... what is missing? | 14:55 |
mornfall | (the phone is β¬530, so some very substantail chunks appear to be irreplaceable) | 14:56 |
yestoall | there are some components missing | 14:58 |
yestoall | like the motherboard | 14:58 |
yestoall | without CPU the user experience will be... disappointing :-) | 14:58 |
Tofe | and the price of the phone isn't the sum of the prices of components | 14:58 |
yestoall | have a look at the FP1 spare parts | 14:59 |
yestoall | there's the motherboard, the daughterboard etc etc | 14:59 |
yestoall | i think they just added the spare parts that tend to break easily | 15:00 |
yestoall | unlike Jolla, they are even offering replacement batteries... wohooo | 15:00 |
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yestoall | entil: i have truly seen sexier phones than the turing... it's just trying to look differently. It's the anti statement to an unobtrusive design (like the Jolla, which I like very much) | 15:03 |
kjetilho | I guess the Turing appeals to the same segment as Razor keyboards etc. | 15:04 |
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yestoall | kjetilho: exactly :-) | 15:07 |
yestoall | dammit | 15:11 |
yestoall | anyone else just got this SMS from Jolla? | 15:11 |
cehteh | sms from jolla? | 15:12 |
yestoall | "go to xy to reclaim your free Jolla table within 60 seconds. Hurry! | 15:12 |
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cehteh | sounds like spam :D | 15:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | yep | 15:12 |
kjetilho | Jolla just hit mainstream | 15:12 |
yestoall | LOL | 15:12 |
yestoall | yes, prank | 15:13 |
yestoall | ROTFL | 15:13 |
cehteh | i didnt ordered a jolla table :D | 15:13 |
yestoall | i think i need to kill the colleague over there | 15:13 |
cehteh | https://1.f.ix.de/scale/geometry/695/q75/imgs/18/1/7/5/6/8/8/7/fairphone-1-fb857223714c5a55.jpeg | 15:14 |
kjetilho | cehteh: what's the OS on the second phone? | 15:17 |
Tofe | ffos | 15:17 |
Tofe | (isn't it?) | 15:17 |
SfietKonstantinW | it is FFOS | 15:17 |
kjetilho | aha, thanks | 15:18 |
cehteh | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/MWC-2016-Fairphone-2-Google-freies-Android-fast-fertig-Firefox-OS-Ubuntu-und-Sailfish-in-Arbeit-3116203.html | 15:19 |
cehteh | the whole article in german | 15:19 |
cehteh | lets see if they somehow manage to get android support on the fp2 | 15:19 |
cehteh | (in sfos of course) | 15:20 |
Stskeeps | was demoed today but requires commercial license from fp side probably | 15:20 |
Stskeeps | technical not a big problem | 15:20 |
cehteh | yeah | 15:21 |
entil | Stskeeps: any ideas on what the commercial license might cost and whether or not jolla will be retailing it? | 15:24 |
Stskeeps | eno clue personally | 15:25 |
entil | either way that saved my day | 15:26 |
entil | :) | 15:26 |
Tofe | I don't think it would make much sense to see Jolla not offering a bundle "official support for the OS + dalvik" to fp customers that would want a complete sfos experience | 15:26 |
Tofe | s/offering/selling/ | 15:27 |
entil | except the need to work on the jolla store and then putting up with EU regulator bullshit about VAT IDs and crap like that | 15:27 |
entil | knowing which country you're selling to | 15:27 |
entil | (hooray for free trade when it's made so difficult that it's not really worth the effort, gg) | 15:28 |
the_mgt | we could crowdfund the whole thing... | 15:29 |
the_mgt | via indiegogo | 15:29 |
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entil | good luck with that, I'm real wary of crowdfunding | 15:29 |
the_mgt | honestly, I would accept a voucher for a fairphone or an intexphone instead a refound for the tablet | 15:29 |
entil | I'd rather see jolla hack up something that allows only them to sell on the store and get dalvik for fp2 (or whatever) out there and then later work more | 15:30 |
entil | otoh selling online should be a solved problem by now, so maybe there's nothing to be upset about | 15:30 |
the_mgt | the thing is, I don't think it works like that. I guess the alien dalvik devs charge a rather large sum for a license for X devices | 15:32 |
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Stskeeps | the_mgt: nah, doesn't work like that, but can't go into details | 15:32 |
Stskeeps | that'd be a lousy deal for a OS maker. | 15:33 |
the_mgt | on a side note: why did I register for the intex newsletter, when they do not send me news? only rubbish about their cricket team, or whatever | 15:34 |
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mornfall | Tofe: I expect the sum price of the parts (sold separately) to actualy exceed the phone price | 15:41 |
mornfall | anyway, assuming that the remaining parts for fp2 eventually hit the shop, it's pretty much a winning proposition | 15:43 |
mornfall | Tofe: (anyway, as I said, my point was that a good chunk of the phone cannot currently be repaired via part replacement) | 15:45 |
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mornfall | also, fp2 has backside connectors for expansion, so a 'toh'-ish keyboard would be an option (too bad tohkbd2 had some serious quality issues) | 15:48 |
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pdanek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY | 16:46 |
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nh1402 | hey, sailfishos.org was updated today | 20:03 |
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covox | https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/SailfishIntro.jpg | 23:54 |
covox | interesting handset design | 23:54 |
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