#jollamobile log for Thursday, 2016-02-25

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mornfallcovox: intex handset, isn't it?01:04
tiwakehandset? where?01:09
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covoxmornfall: is it? I can't find a handset in their product range which looks like that01:57
covoxmy first reaction was jolla mk II01:58
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wmaroneit's the intex unit02:03
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covoxah ok http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/24/jollas-aqua-fish-phone/05:05
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kjetilhothe USB port at the top is really annoying08:49
kjetilhoI wonder who came up with that brilliant idea :-p  (but I guess it is better than having the port on the side, like Sony)08:50
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yestoallkjetilho: where should the port be?09:37
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kjetilhoat the bottom, of course.09:39
kjetilhohave you tried to use your phone while it is charging?09:39
yestoallyes, i actually prefer it the way it is, but YMMV of course09:40
yestoallbecause the cable is not folding around the phone and comes straight from the top09:40
yestoalli guess wen calling a lot it gets worse09:40
tillfor non-calling use I prefer the port on top09:41
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yestoallwe need a USB port on the top and bottom :-)09:42
pp_one usb-c and one microusb would be great :-)09:42
kjetilhoTWICE THE POWER!09:42
yestoall+109:43
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pp_I actually ran into a situation where using the same usb-c port for data & charging meant the phone ran out of battery :P09:44
yestoall:-)09:45
yestoalli wonder when the Jolla website will get an overhaul09:46
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poghello, I'm wondring, wether there is a way to "hold" the current application an screen. (For me it seems to be unpractical, when some Application as timer and in general - I'm a bit slow) always go a) to background and b) a double tap has to be made.09:59
pogmay be there is a kind of fix gesture...10:00
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pogwhat is a pitty, that (according to https://together.jolla.com/question/5825/ringtone-per-contact/) it's mot possible to set a personal ringtone or in Groups.10:08
pogWhat I'm also interessted, would it be difficult, to change the software to make changments (as I'm a programmer).10:09
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stephgpog you mean the screen goes to sleep? change the display-off behaviour (default is 30s) in settings?10:10
pog(some changments, which are in the logic of the software might be easy to make).10:10
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chem|stpog: changements?10:11
pogchem|st: I mean more improvments.10:11
r0kk3rzpog: if its your app then you can use nemo-keepalive to stop display blanking10:11
chem|stpog: the timer for how long apps stay on top after screen fades was a quick and dirty hardcode iirc10:12
chem|stpog: we are waiting on a very long list of improvements and that is very far down10:13
pogthanks, for the very first moment I will change the delay, and put the Mobile off manually. (which is easy).10:13
chem|stpog: most things that aren't hardcoded are patches available for10:13
poggood...10:13
chem|stpog: what else are you looking for?10:14
pogI just began to work more intensivly with the jolla (which I have a year now), so there are certainly some things coming...10:15
chem|stkjetilho: I reorganized the cables so it is not coming from the side or the front of the table, that way top makes it actually better to use as you never have the cable in your way10:16
pogActually I'm interested to create a application just to see, how it's implemented.10:16
pogActually I tried the native barcode App, and until now, I don't find out how it works...10:17
pogAs I love also Rasperry PI's I'm wondring wether sailfish runs on a PI.10:18
chem|stpog: for developer questions you better join #sailfishos and the mailinglist(ML), on ML you usually get detailed answers if you ask detailed questions10:18
chem|stpog: and yes sfos runs on Pi10:18
pogthanks chem|st.10:18
pogI'm pleased... thanks a lot.10:19
chem|stwith a touchscreen attached you have yourself a bulky tablet I guess10:19
kjetilhochem|st: I prefer to hold it in my hand when I use it :)10:19
stephgkjetilho: that's what she said10:19
chem|stkjetilho: lol, me too, just meant that cable rearangement solved it for me, I had it run up from my desk front and that was very annoying10:20
chem|ststephg: +110:20
chem|stkjetilho: as I like to navigate with my thumb only (one-hand), I don't like a cable in my way at the bottom10:21
kjetilhoI don't see how it is in your way, but ...10:22
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pogha, ha, my settings were display off after 15s... not enough time to search for a new Kontact.10:25
pog10 Minutes seems to be max. but o.k.10:26
the_mgthow many contacts do you have?!10:28
pogI wanted to search for a mail adress, and I had to wake ap Jolla twice..10:29
pogotherweise I have 20 contacts or so.10:29
chem|stkjetilho: one-handed, I have my little finger supporting the bottom, same spot ports usually are, there is only one thing I would like the cable on bottom, and that is on a call10:30
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pogI saw in youtube a setting, where the pics of the Contacts where shown, and can be selected, that nice... is it a new feature are a setting?10:30
chem|stpog: I have >300 contacts and no such issue10:31
kjetilhoah. well, actually I rest my pinky *against* the cable on other phones.  makes it more stable10:31
chem|stpog: go in contact edit mode, there tap the picture10:31
pogthanks10:31
chem|stkjetilho: don't touch my PINKY!10:32
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chem|stkjetilho: highly subjective, I'd love to have the port on the side, where the pwrbtn is10:32
chem|stpog: although the video-guides on youtube are for sfos1.0ui, the apps barely changed10:34
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pogI just tried, I had a contact with a picture. But when I'm calling contacts (in the contrary to the demo) I dont have the pic to select on top.10:40
pogI can assign an delete the pic...10:41
pog(may be I'm doing something wrong)10:42
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pogfor example I can make in/visible the search field.10:44
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kimmolipog: favorite10:46
pp_hmn, february is almost over :D10:48
pp_suppose they can still ship tablets on monday to be "start shipping in February" :D10:49
ln-there's february 201710:50
r0kk3rzpp_: theres also 29 days in feb this year, so they have an extra day than usual!10:50
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pogI was just trying to connect my irc-chat...how can I /join groups ? I'm stll on the first (freenode) buffer.12:14
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sakustarpog: connect to another server you mean?12:17
pogim connected to freenode, but I don't seem to find a way to join a #channel.12:19
pog in weechat /join #jollamobile12:20
Tegupog: if I got what you meant, press alt-number to switch between buffers (or whatever they are called in weechat). or ctrl-n to next and ctrl-p to previous12:22
wysiwtff5-f6 also works nicely in weechat12:22
pogoky, I also found a video in youtube about the native client.12:23
pogI'm trying the keys...12:24
pogdon't think that my keyboard has these keys..12:25
pogwill look the vid first12:25
wysiwtfare you on a mobile device using ssh?12:27
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pogat the moment I use the sf native client.12:28
pogthe trick does to push not down, but up (from below) an join.12:28
Sailor12206yep!!12:29
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Teguah, I thought you're using weechat12:32
Tegubut yea I think you can type /join #channel in the sailfish irc client as well12:32
Teguor use the pulley menu, whatever12:32
pogTegu: here I'm using weechat :-)12:33
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pogstrange, when I pull from up to down, I expect to see the swich off buttom. Some Application are canceld. I thought the cancel needs to make the movement over the screen...12:41
pogI just killed my irc-client twice...12:41
Tegupog: there's a setting for that in Settings -> Shortcuts12:42
pog(IMO sometimes the gestures are not 100% clear).12:42
pogTegu: will look at it, thanks12:43
Tegupog: oh wait, no12:43
TeguSettings -> Gestures12:43
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spiiroinpog: something like "mcetool --set-inhibit-mode=stay-dim" might suite your purpose. display is still automatically dimmed, but not turned off -> app stays in foreground.13:16
spiiroin"keep display on while charging" in settings -> the same config item, but allows only toggling between "disabled" and "stay-on-while-charging" inhibit modes13:18
r0kk3rzspiiroin: does mce store its settings in dconf?13:20
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spiiroinr0kk3rz: nope, but there is D-Bus api13:21
r0kk3rzoh ok13:22
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kimmolii have opinion about consistency of "mcetool" and "mcetool --help" but i get kicked if i say it out loud13:25
spiiroinkimmoli: if your opinion is "there is no consistency", you're right(tm)13:26
kimmolinicely said yes13:27
* spiiroin has frequently "I should clean up this mess" moments13:28
r0kk3rzspiiroin: know that feel13:29
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spiiroinr0kk3rz: IIRC, for that particular setting, the nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings supports all values - the settings app just uses two of those13:34
r0kk3rzspiiroin: oh right, so it would be possible to write an full mcetool configurator app thing13:38
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spiiroinr0kk3rz: with D-Bus, yes; I mean that for that inhibit mode there is ready to use qml plugin that allows more options than what is used by the default jolla settings ui13:40
r0kk3rzah yes, not everything is hooked into the plugin then13:40
spiiroinright13:40
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dv_so, what's the status of Mitakuuluu3 and whatsup? I remember some horror stories where the whatsapp servers detected an "unauthenticated client" and banned the account19:25
dv_also, Mitakuuluu3 vs. whatsup?19:25
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Yanielboth suffer from the jnofficial client problem19:29
Yanielunofficial*19:30
dv_well sure, they'll always lag in terms of compatibility19:31
dv_its the banning that concerns me19:31
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Yanielboth have an equal risk of that afaik19:34
nh1402Yaniel: not unless you figure out how to do it my way.19:35
Yanieliirc one of the devs actually got a letter from facebook19:36
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nh1402Yaniel: if you can figure out how to authorise yourself to use web.whatsapp.com on the same phone, you can modify the html of the website, to create your own app19:37
nh1402which should avoid all this unofficial nonsense, you'd have their official app, but you would be using it indirectly.19:38
Yanielcan probably still be considered reverse-engineering which is against the TOS IRC19:42
YanielIIRC*19:42
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nh1402it's not really reverse engineering19:43
nh1402it's just modifying their website19:43
nh1402in an app19:44
Yanielit's still open to interpretation19:44
dv_well.19:44
dv_I think I will also try another approach: I'll try to convince my friends to use telegram :)19:45
r0kk3rzdv_: generally a good idea to avoid hostile services anyway19:46
nh1402I still think my idea is a kind of loophole.19:48
r0kk3rznh1402: you're probably right, but they will still threaten you with lawsuits19:48
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nh1402but I'm not breaking the law, the website that the user see's is open code, any one can see it19:51
nh1402I'm not decompiling their app or hacking into their server19:52
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nh1402just html and css modifications19:52
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r0kk3rztheir threats will most likely be empty19:52
r0kk3rzbut still threats19:52
r0kk3rzthey have the power of facebook to appeal you into bankrupcy19:53
dv_so the old IBM nazghul model, sort of19:53
dv_which goes: IBM lawyers show up at $company. lawyers tell $company that they can agree to a payment right then and there, or risk a patent lawsuit.19:54
dv_IBM had (and has) boatloads of patents. they always found something.19:54
nh1402I still think I could win.19:54
nh1402I'm not willing to go to court over it though.19:54
r0kk3rzprobably easier to just use the android app20:00
nh1402true20:01
nh1402have numerous other projects to work on, I'm not going to add Whatsapp web client thing to it. Escpecially if one of my apps will be competing with it.20:02
r0kk3rznh1402: textsecure?20:03
nh1402nope, a messaging app with text formatting.20:03
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Yanieldoes it at least make use of some existing protocol20:04
nh1402it's only an android app atm and it's not finished. But it's functional.20:04
Yaniellike matrix20:04
nh1402and it currently only works with SMS20:04
nh1402and no20:04
nh1402will likely be using tox down the line though.20:06
r0kk3rzwhy tox20:08
Lieke_why not contribute to cyanide then?20:08
YanielI wonder how those guys are doing nowadays20:08
r0kk3rztox is obsolete, ricochet is where its at yo20:08
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nh1402I'm not going to contribute to poison20:09
YanielI'm a bit disappointed that it is called cyanide and not Fugu20:10
Yanielas in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu_fish20:10
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r0kk3rznh1402: so like, rich text in an sms?20:11
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nh1402kind of yh20:16
nh1402at the moment it supports bold, italics, underline and sarcasm20:17
nh1402going to add strikethrough when I get back to work on it20:17
nh1402sfdroid has take priority at the moment.20:17
r0kk3rzso, markdown for sms20:19
r0kk3rzinteresting20:19
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nh1402it's also going to have full ui customisation control, change font of sender and receiver, font colour, the speech bubble things, action bar, buttons etc.20:30
nh1402for first release20:32
nh1402then I'll look at p2p and stuff for the next release.20:32
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