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pp_ | WOOOT! DHL is shipping me something from HK | 07:20 |
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tbr | erwat? | 07:21 |
pp_ | I'm getting my tablet! | 07:21 |
Hartzi | gz! | 07:21 |
pp_ | They actually started shipping during February. | 07:22 |
Stskeeps | pp_: taobao or jolla? | 07:22 |
tbr | pp_: were you one of the people from the first wave who paid and didn't get it? | 07:22 |
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Stskeeps | (i can believe jolla, but i'm not really up to date on the progress) | 07:22 |
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tbr | aka 32GB model in first wave | 07:22 |
pp_ | 64G, not very first wave, but early enough to have paid VAT in November | 07:23 |
JvD_ | I just got sms from dhl that's something is arriving.. but I have no ide what | 07:23 |
pp_ | #370 or whatnot | 07:23 |
tbr | ah, one of the very few of wave 2 that got the early invitation then? | 07:23 |
* Stskeeps ponders what the situation is with the 32gb ones | 07:23 | |
tbr | Stskeeps: official statement was, that there are some 32GB devices in the batch | 07:24 |
Stskeeps | ok | 07:24 |
* tbr is currently leaning toward a refund though | 07:24 | |
Stskeeps | yeah, i'd personally refund or ebay it at this point | 07:25 |
Stskeeps | (i'm not one of the preorders) | 07:26 |
Stskeeps | or igg | 07:26 |
Stskeeps | then again, it's one of the more free-er intel tablets.. | 07:26 |
pp_ | I suppose I'll find some use for it... | 07:27 |
locusf | can it do mesa + intel dri? | 07:27 |
Stskeeps | probably | 07:27 |
tbr | I'm going to keep an eye on http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/02/25/gpd-win-windows-10-portable-gaming-console-launched-on-indiegogo-for-299/ - it's a form factor quite close to my heart | 07:28 |
tbr | it's still a shame that the UMPC thing flopped | 07:28 |
Stskeeps | tbr: i spotted 100 USD windows 10 capable atom laptop w/ touchscreen at MWC | 07:28 |
tbr | Stskeeps: nice! size? | 07:29 |
Stskeeps | tbr: 10 inch is | 07:29 |
Stskeeps | h | 07:29 |
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Stskeeps | i think | 07:29 |
tbr | mh, still a bit large, but interesting | 07:29 |
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Stskeeps | with comparable chip to jolla tablet i tihnk | 07:29 |
Stskeeps | need to doublecheck | 07:29 |
tbr | that one up there is a cherry trail. will wait if it hits the market and price drops below IGG | 07:30 |
Stskeeps | nod | 07:30 |
Stskeeps | cherry trail is not PVR is it? | 07:30 |
tbr | no, but "it's dificult" is the relationship status with linux | 07:30 |
Stskeeps | nod | 07:30 |
tbr | the chip has been around for a while and only win10 devices were seen. now on aliexpress the first android devices start appearing | 07:31 |
tbr | I hear the UP!board people also had their share of 'fun' with it, as they had promised ubuntu or such | 07:32 |
tbr | in addition to win10 iot | 07:32 |
tbr | ISTR it's one of the intel GPU cores that requires at least partly binary only drivers/blobs | 07:33 |
jaywalk | pp_: great, congrats! Did you get any invite to complete the order in the jolla store, or did they just send it off to your igg address? | 07:34 |
tbr | SONY-VAIO-VGN-UX490N was kinda cute, but a bit bulky | 07:35 |
jaywalk | tbr: it was a shame indeed. I bought a Samsung Q1 Ultra at a very late stage and that was on the right track I think | 07:35 |
jaywalk | for a while I used that with a frogpad, had it not been such an aging machine it was a terrific combo:) | 07:36 |
tbr | jaywalk: yeah, that also looks interesting with the split keyboard in the upper corners | 07:36 |
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tbr | Vaio UX1XN, also nice | 07:37 |
jaywalk | yeah, like a oversized N810 sort of | 07:39 |
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pp_ | in november they asked me to pay vat and confirm my address | 07:40 |
jaywalk | pp_: oh they did the same for me. I'm early enough on the unofficial ordering list so keeping my fingers crossed! | 07:40 |
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hobarrera | Hi all! | 08:18 |
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hobarrera | Any other device on which I can run sailfish os AND android apps? | 08:20 |
hobarrera | The Jolla phone doesn't pick up 3g in my country, and I'm a bit fed up of that, much as I love it. | 08:20 |
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taaem | hobarrera: nexus 4 & 5 kind of but its not in the same state as on Jolla | 08:22 |
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Yaniel | I hear there was a fairphone2 demo running sfos with some demo version of aliendalvik | 08:24 |
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lainwir3d | yeah, community ports really need alien dalvik | 08:31 |
hobarrera | Yaniel: It would seem that it runs android out-of-the-box. | 08:32 |
hobarrera | No idea how they got aliendalvik on that, right? | 08:32 |
Yaniel | fp2 currently ships only with android yeah | 08:33 |
Yaniel | but there is a community port of sfos | 08:33 |
Yaniel | and I heard they demoed it _with aliendalvik_ on mwc | 08:33 |
Yaniel | and they are considering partnering with jolla | 08:34 |
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jaywalk | I'd buy a FP2 with sailfish day 1, but I'm in no need of another android device | 08:36 |
hobarrera | I really prefer sailfish, so I'd really rather not buy an iOS/Android phone. | 08:37 |
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Yaniel | Intex Aqua Fish seems to be the safest bet in terms of actual availability | 08:40 |
Yaniel | but rather low-spec | 08:40 |
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jaywalk | I've been going without a smartphone all together for 6 months now since I fell in the water with my Jolla. I thought that'd be impossible before I tried it but it's actually not so bad. Carry my laptop alnost everywhere anyway | 08:44 |
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hobarrera | Yeah, I kinda need the 3g/4g part since wifi tends to be rather spotty and I move around the city a lot. | 08:50 |
hobarrera | Generally, without my laptop :( | 08:50 |
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the_mgt | isn't it odd that there is no actual Jolla/Sailfish device which is water proof? | 08:58 |
the_mgt | that is possible one of the best features of the turing phone | 08:58 |
the_mgt | I forgot a feature phone in my trousers once and put it in the washing machine... | 08:59 |
Yaniel | turing phone :P | 08:59 |
Yaniel | once it maybe gets released someday | 08:59 |
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jaywalk | the_mgt: it is too bad! I carry a CAT B100 day to day now. I am quite confident I won't be able to break it even if I'd try:) | 09:41 |
jaywalk | but I wonder, there are plenty of IP-rated smartphones these days. how many of them actually have a warranty to back it up? If I fall overboard and it breaks, is it covered? | 09:43 |
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Helle | the_mgt: mmmm, a Sailfish phone suitable for actual sailing | 09:43 |
jaywalk | first of all - all of them seem to be tested in freshwater only and that doesn't cover the sea nor a glass of beer... | 09:43 |
Helle | jaywalk: most are waterproof to non-pressurised anyway | 09:43 |
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jaywalk | Helle: plenty seem to be rated IPx7 or IP67 wish should cover a depth of 1 meter at least | 09:44 |
Helle | I think I still would buy an armored dumbphone without touchscreen if I needed survivability | 09:45 |
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Helle | that new phone by, what was it Caterpiller ? with IR camera might be an exception as the IR camera is useful and the armoring is mild | 09:46 |
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jaywalk | Helle: the new CAT looks nice, but I won't buy anything with android or iphone os so that's a shame on good hardware. The B100 I have now is a proper dumbphone in a armored shell | 09:50 |
the_mgt | waterproofing for 1m seems rather pointless to me. 3-5m is what I would be aiming at. and saltwater proof, preferably | 09:50 |
jaywalk | the_mgt: I don't dive but I may go for an unexpected swim, so 1m is fine | 09:51 |
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the_mgt | I once had to fix a CAT phone for a friend, iirc it was waterproof, but the battery coever did not make me especially confident about it | 09:51 |
jaywalk | but yes, the water here is brackish so some salt content must be ok | 09:51 |
jaywalk | and the phones without covers for all contacts won't like that... | 09:52 |
jaywalk | the_mgt: this one is screw fixed with a rubber seal. should be fine | 09:52 |
the_mgt | ah, that sounds better | 09:52 |
jaywalk | ofc that means changing SD-card, SIM or battery is a pita but that's the trade-off | 09:53 |
the_mgt | you rarely get 100% safety and 100% comfort at the same time | 09:54 |
jaywalk | *nodnod* | 09:54 |
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eugenio | will the acqua fish phone have access to the native Jolla Store? | 12:55 |
eugenio | I'm asking because while skimming through the phone's photos at MWC the only Store in the app drawer has a droid on it (e.g. http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagelarge/2000970671.jpeg) | 12:56 |
eugenio | also at last year's MWC at Shanghai there was a "Sailfish Store" advertised which it is a rebranded android app store (http://cdn.ndtv.com/tech/images/intex_jolla_phone_ndtv.jpg) | 12:57 |
eugenio | which is* | 12:57 |
eugenio | oh, s/acqua/aqua | 12:57 |
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SfietKonstantinW | eugenio: we know nothing ATM | 13:07 |
eugenio | ok | 13:07 |
r0kk3rz | eugenio: why wouldnt it? what kind of phone doesnt have access to native apps? | 13:08 |
the_mgt | In 2015, Jolla announced a partnership with Finlandβs SSH Communications β a security solutions company β to offer another version of its platform with stronger security credentials, a version now used in the new Turing Phone. | 13:08 |
the_mgt | aha | 13:08 |
SfietKonstantinW | r0kk3rz: it might not be the Jolla store | 13:08 |
the_mgt | http://techcrunch.com/2016/02/25/turing-robotics-drops-android-and-sets-up-shop-in-finland-amid-global-security-concerns/?ncid=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | 13:08 |
* SfietKonstantinW is still skeptical about turing | 13:09 | |
r0kk3rz | its nothing but conjecture until it ships (turing) | 13:09 |
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r0kk3rz | but i fail to see why they wouldnt put a native sfos store on the aqua fish | 13:09 |
r0kk3rz | and, why that would be anything other than harbour | 13:10 |
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ln- | got an sms from DHL | 13:10 |
SfietKonstantinW | r0kk3rz: branding | 13:10 |
eugenio | r0kk3rz, I thought the same, but then why name the android app store simply with "Store"? | 13:10 |
SfietKonstantinW | Jolla store is Jolla's property | 13:10 |
eugenio | and there wasn't one store-client open in the MWC photos | 13:10 |
eugenio | of course until the device ships this is all speculation | 13:11 |
r0kk3rz | SfietKonstantinW: the aqua fish had JOLLA written on the back of it @ mwc... | 13:11 |
SfietKonstantinW | r0kk3rz: that sound weired to me | 13:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | but yeah | 13:12 |
SfietKonstantinW | trrue | 13:12 |
r0kk3rz | whether its called AquaFish/Jolla/Sailfish store is semantics | 13:13 |
r0kk3rz | i expect it to be harbour | 13:13 |
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eugenio | http://cdn.ndtv.com/tech/images/intex_jolla_phone_ndtv.jpg | 13:13 |
r0kk3rz | maybe you might have a regionised version i guess | 13:14 |
lainwir3d | https://www.turingphone.com/ | 13:14 |
lainwir3d | Sailfish OS 2.0 | 13:14 |
r0kk3rz | so you only get apps that works in hindu | 13:14 |
lainwir3d | Turing ΓmΓ¦th UI | 13:14 |
eugenio | (that's from last year's MWC at Shanghai) | 13:14 |
lainwir3d | wait, another UI on top of SF2 ? | 13:14 |
eugenio | maybe | 13:15 |
eugenio | but still calling it Store or Sailfish Store is weird to me | 13:15 |
eugenio | we'll know soonβ’, I guess :) | 13:15 |
the_mgt | lainwir3d: from what I understood, that was their UI for android | 13:15 |
r0kk3rz | eugenio: yeah, soooooon (maybe april, maybe never) | 13:16 |
lainwir3d | the_mgt: ok | 13:16 |
the_mgt | after updating the homepage from android to sfos, they left the additional UI. if you have a look at yt, there is a videopreview of their ui | 13:16 |
the_mgt | kind of a retro-futiristic-whatever | 13:16 |
the_mgt | from the above mentioned techcrunch article, I found this, wrt waterproofness, etc: http://www.bittium.com/bittiumtoughmobile | 13:17 |
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rigo | r0kk3rz, Stskeeps: I knew the 3rd way would pay. Congrats to jolla, continue that route!! Others will follow | 14:04 |
rigo | REMINDER: doesn't work without keeping at least jolla1 phone as your own hardware around | 14:04 |
Stskeeps | rigo: well, that and all the ported devices | 14:05 |
rigo | Stskeeps: ported is fine and nice for people like me. But despite the android drivers, you still thought about your hardware and you have deep knowledge about it | 14:07 |
Stskeeps | nod | 14:07 |
Stskeeps | sure | 14:07 |
rigo | Stskeeps: and don't forget the irrational, emotional part of having a phone with that logo on it :) | 14:08 |
Stskeeps | sure | 14:08 |
Stskeeps | i have a "i made this" cover ;) | 14:08 |
rigo | if you need a house, put it on ebay :) | 14:08 |
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mornfall | rigo: what happened? :) | 14:16 |
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HtheB | This looks promising: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-laptop-fitting-in-your-pocket--2#/ | 14:27 |
Tofe | Oh, a big N900 ;) | 14:28 |
Smar | HtheB: looks like complete ripoff of open pandora/pyra | 14:30 |
HtheB | Looks much better imo | 14:31 |
HtheB | 1: it's x86 | 14:31 |
HtheB | 2: it comes with Windows 10. But I'm sure you can just install any x86 OS on it | 14:31 |
HtheB | 3: If the renders are like the real product, this one is much more sexy :) | 14:31 |
Smar | you think you will be able to play gaming pc games with that cpu? | 14:31 |
Smar | (and isnβt win10 just a minus ;) | 14:31 |
HtheB | Sure, the Pyra has it's own good sides, like double SD cards, MicroSIM, ESATA | 14:32 |
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r0kk3rz | HtheB: i wouldnt be so sure about 'any x86 os' | 14:43 |
r0kk3rz | with the intel SoCs that seems to not really be the case | 14:43 |
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r0kk3rz | yeah its a cherry trail... | 14:44 |
r0kk3rz | ive been told to steer clear of those for now | 14:44 |
HtheB | Im sure major linux distros would work | 14:44 |
HtheB | hmmm | 14:44 |
r0kk3rz | for various definitions of 'work' | 14:44 |
r0kk3rz | it might boot, but you might not get display .etc | 14:45 |
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HtheB | I'm sure it will eventually work | 14:46 |
HtheB | when the time is right | 14:46 |
HtheB | but for $300, it looks pretty good | 14:46 |
HtheB | retail price will be $500 | 14:46 |
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r0kk3rz | you're just a kickstarter junkie :P | 14:49 |
HtheB | weren't we all? :P | 14:49 |
HtheB | -uhum- Jolla tablet -uhum- | 14:50 |
r0kk3rz | no? | 14:50 |
rigo | mornfall: was talking about Stskeeps' "i made this cover" gadget... | 14:53 |
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temmi_hoo | anyone go see interdigital stand with their coincidental multicast demo? | 15:41 |
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Smar | HtheB: I canβt really see 300$ will even pay for hardware there | 15:43 |
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temmi_hoo | who were in mwc anyway? | 16:04 |
temmi_hoo | ... who of those were not presenting stressfully in their stand? | 16:04 |
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Yaniel | hnnngh rsync to my jolla is slow | 16:30 |
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wmarone | well, that's flash memory for you | 16:43 |
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Yaniel | even flash memory is a good deal faster than 5kb/s | 16:46 |
Yaniel | (when it's transfering anything in the first place that is) | 16:46 |
wmarone | depends on how fragmented it is and the controller | 16:47 |
Yaniel | must be quite fragmented if that's the cause | 16:48 |
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Yaniel | the card is only 50% full | 16:48 |
Yaniel | (an ext4 microsd, not phone internal memory so can't blame btrfs either) | 16:49 |
wmarone | what vendor/class is it? | 16:49 |
Yaniel | SanDisk, class 10 | 16:50 |
Yaniel | should be perfectly legit | 16:50 |
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Yaniel | could it be cachign to internal memory for some reason | 16:51 |
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rigo | Yaniel: I would bet on a bottleneck in the wireless network (e.g. both devices synching over a DSL box that talks to the DSLAM) | 17:27 |
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coderus | cool, finally make google play works on jolla tablet reflashed to android 4.4 :D | 20:11 |
HtheB | you got the tablet? Nice | 20:13 |
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temmi_hoo | isn't that kind of reverse fun? i thought we were supposed to flash sailfishos on everything | 21:12 |
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coderus | temmi_hoo: yeah i like reading comments about that in my twitter :D | 21:14 |
coderus | it really fun | 21:14 |
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temmi_hoo | must be :) | 21:17 |
temmi_hoo | trawley | 21:17 |
temmi_hoo | i'm now giving the jeep a rest but i really really liked driving in city with windows open blasting some favourite tunes of mine | 21:18 |
temmi_hoo | such as gnossiennes by eric satie | 21:18 |
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temmi_hoo | nothing like a good whack of cognitive dissonance | 21:18 |
temmi_hoo | the jeep is a dirty old beast with mud all around, pretty bent body panels and all in all looks like it has been driven in a forest not caring too much about avoiding all obstacles | 21:19 |
temmi_hoo | which is more or less true | 21:19 |
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pdanek | Hey guys | 21:20 |
pdanek | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/promise-on-sailfish-os-turing-phone-by.html | 21:20 |
pdanek | "Delivery promise with the current specs might be shot down by Apple, but I think there will still be production in Salo, Finland. But only if financed by The Government of Finland." | 21:20 |
pdanek | Does anyone know more details about that? Why shot down by apple? Financed by government? | 21:20 |
temmi_hoo | oh the apple thing is new news | 21:21 |
temmi_hoo | the financed part is that the 419 guys truthfully see the government and city officials as having a turkey where they should have brain | 21:22 |
temmi_hoo | so they request money promising jobs and economy and all the goodies | 21:22 |
temmi_hoo | http://is13.snstatic.fi/img/978/1288737286403.jpg | 21:22 |
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r0kk3rz | i think it will be a miracly if they manage to actually ship anything | 21:23 |
r0kk3rz | its got zano levels of hubris all over it | 21:23 |
Acce | last news I read said they have financiation till end of this year already | 21:24 |
Acce | and they might consider applying for some TEKES funding (Finnish kinda goverment funding thing) | 21:24 |
temmi_hoo | applying isn't exactly receiving | 21:25 |
pdanek | oh I read the article fully | 21:25 |
pdanek | they explain most | 21:25 |
temmi_hoo | https://twitter.com/jurase_park | 21:27 |
temmi_hoo | dunno how well you read finnish | 21:27 |
temmi_hoo | we have newer zano level stuff than zano | 21:28 |
temmi_hoo | such as the biggest frigging car showroom in frigging at least europe, so big that people will travel all the way from germany to hΓ€meenlinna to buy their car | 21:28 |
temmi_hoo | and then just recently jurase park | 21:28 |
r0kk3rz | temmi_hoo: is that a real place? i wanna go there | 21:29 |
Acce | r0kk3rz: vapor | 21:29 |
r0kk3rz | i was mostly joking | 21:29 |
temmi_hoo | r0kk3rz: stupid town officials did not want to give the honest businessmen their hard earned money | 21:30 |
r0kk3rz | we had a mining millionare doing the same thing in australia | 21:30 |
temmi_hoo | ... both of them | 21:30 |
Acce | I hope they're not too desperate in Salo to properly inspect the funding of TRI | 21:30 |
temmi_hoo | the car showroom thing managed to get several tens of millions, of which the blasting sign was built | 21:30 |
temmi_hoo | http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/hameenlinna/article7601327.ece/ALTERNATES/w960/sunny_car_center_tolppa.JPG | 21:31 |
r0kk3rz | seems like an odd thing to do | 21:32 |
r0kk3rz | finland isnt exactly known for its car industry | 21:32 |
temmi_hoo | well, we have a single car factory that has been used to build swedish and french and recently german cars | 21:33 |
temmi_hoo | also, i'm not a person that buys new cars but i'm not exactly sure why would i ever travel in order to buy the car from a certain showroom | 21:35 |
Acce | r0kk3rz: that guy has already escaped somewhere claiming he's trying to find other funding | 21:35 |
temmi_hoo | the jurase park didn't get funding though | 21:36 |
r0kk3rz | to build a massive car room that nobody is going to go to | 21:36 |
Acce | well, the good thing about sunny car center was that it was great mess | 21:36 |
Acce | so now others seem to have learned something from it | 21:36 |
Acce | and are not throwing their money to any project promising greatness to all | 21:37 |
r0kk3rz | maybe i need to come up with a 'scam the finnish government' plan, sounds like all the cool kids are doing it | 21:37 |
Acce | a dinosaur park could work in finland, but jurase was just too joke.. | 21:38 |
Acce | r0kk3rz: well, we've got plenty of fools around there | 21:38 |
Acce | so not too hard, unless they have learned by now | 21:39 |
r0kk3rz | http://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/palmersaurus-inside-clive-palmers-dinosaur-theme-park/story-e6frfq89-1226784183175 | 21:39 |
r0kk3rz | at least our dinosaur park got built :P | 21:39 |
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temmi_hoo | i'll go build my own dinosaur park phone factory | 21:47 |
temmi_hoo | with hookers and blackjack | 21:47 |
dirkvl | that sounds awesome | 21:48 |
dirkvl | dont forget the beer-vulcano | 21:48 |
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