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pp_WOOOT! DHL is shipping me something from HK07:20
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tbrerwat?07:21
pp_I'm getting my tablet!07:21
Hartzigz!07:21
pp_They actually started shipping during February.07:22
Stskeepspp_: taobao or jolla?07:22
tbrpp_: were you one of the people from the first wave who paid and didn't get it?07:22
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Stskeeps(i can believe jolla, but i'm not really up to date on the progress)07:22
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tbraka 32GB model in first wave07:22
pp_64G, not very first wave, but early enough to have paid VAT in November07:23
JvD_I just got sms from dhl that's something is arriving.. but I have no ide what07:23
pp_#370 or whatnot07:23
tbrah, one of the very few of wave 2 that got the early invitation then?07:23
* Stskeeps ponders what the situation is with the 32gb ones07:23
tbrStskeeps: official statement was, that there are some 32GB devices in the batch07:24
Stskeepsok07:24
* tbr is currently leaning toward a refund though07:24
Stskeepsyeah, i'd personally refund or ebay it at this point07:25
Stskeeps(i'm not one of the preorders)07:26
Stskeepsor igg07:26
Stskeepsthen again, it's one of the more free-er intel tablets..07:26
pp_I suppose I'll find some use for it...07:27
locusfcan it do mesa + intel dri?07:27
Stskeepsprobably07:27
tbrI'm going to keep an eye on http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/02/25/gpd-win-windows-10-portable-gaming-console-launched-on-indiegogo-for-299/ - it's a form factor quite close to my heart07:28
tbrit's still a shame that the UMPC thing flopped07:28
Stskeepstbr: i spotted 100 USD windows 10 capable atom laptop w/ touchscreen at MWC07:28
tbrStskeeps: nice! size?07:29
Stskeepstbr: 10 inch is07:29
Stskeepsh07:29
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Stskeepsi think07:29
tbrmh, still a bit large, but interesting07:29
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Stskeepswith comparable chip to jolla tablet i tihnk07:29
Stskeepsneed to doublecheck07:29
tbrthat one up there is a cherry trail. will wait if it hits the market and price drops below IGG07:30
Stskeepsnod07:30
Stskeepscherry trail is not PVR is it?07:30
tbrno, but "it's dificult" is the relationship status with linux07:30
Stskeepsnod07:30
tbrthe chip has been around for a while and only win10 devices were seen. now on aliexpress the first android devices start appearing07:31
tbrI hear the UP!board people also had their share of 'fun' with it, as they had promised ubuntu or such07:32
tbrin addition to win10 iot07:32
tbrISTR it's one of the intel GPU cores that requires at least partly binary only drivers/blobs07:33
jaywalkpp_: great, congrats! Did you get any invite to complete the order in the jolla store, or did they just send it off to your igg address?07:34
tbrSONY-VAIO-VGN-UX490N was kinda cute, but a bit bulky07:35
jaywalktbr: it was a shame indeed. I bought a Samsung Q1 Ultra at a very late stage and that was on the right track I think07:35
jaywalkfor a while I used that with a frogpad, had it not been such an aging machine it was a terrific combo:)07:36
tbrjaywalk: yeah, that also looks interesting with the split keyboard in the upper corners07:36
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tbrVaio UX1XN, also nice07:37
jaywalkyeah, like a oversized N810 sort of07:39
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pp_in november they asked me to pay vat and confirm my address07:40
jaywalkpp_: oh they did the same for me. I'm early enough on the unofficial ordering list so keeping my fingers crossed!07:40
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hobarreraHi all!08:18
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hobarreraAny other device on which I can run sailfish os AND android apps?08:20
hobarreraThe Jolla phone doesn't pick up 3g in my country, and I'm a bit fed up of that, much as I love it.08:20
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taaemhobarrera: nexus 4 & 5 kind of but its not in the same state as on Jolla08:22
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YanielI hear there was a fairphone2 demo running sfos with some demo version of aliendalvik08:24
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lainwir3dyeah, community ports really need alien dalvik08:31
hobarreraYaniel: It would seem that it runs android out-of-the-box.08:32
hobarreraNo idea how they got aliendalvik on that, right?08:32
Yanielfp2 currently ships only with android yeah08:33
Yanielbut there is a community port of sfos08:33
Yanieland I heard they demoed it _with aliendalvik_ on mwc08:33
Yanieland they are considering partnering with jolla08:34
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jaywalkI'd buy a FP2 with sailfish day 1, but I'm in no need of another android device08:36
hobarreraI really prefer sailfish, so I'd really rather not buy an iOS/Android phone.08:37
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YanielIntex Aqua Fish seems to be the safest bet in terms of actual availability08:40
Yanielbut rather low-spec08:40
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jaywalkI've been going without a smartphone all together for 6 months now since I fell in the water with my Jolla. I thought that'd be impossible before I tried it but it's actually not so bad. Carry my laptop alnost everywhere anyway08:44
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hobarreraYeah, I kinda need the 3g/4g part since wifi tends to be rather spotty and I move around the city a lot.08:50
hobarreraGenerally, without my laptop :(08:50
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the_mgtisn't it odd that there is no actual Jolla/Sailfish device which is water proof?08:58
the_mgtthat is possible one of the best features of the turing phone08:58
the_mgtI forgot a feature phone in my trousers once and put it in the washing machine...08:59
Yanielturing phone :P08:59
Yanielonce it maybe gets released someday08:59
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jaywalkthe_mgt: it is too bad! I carry a CAT B100 day to day now. I am quite confident I won't be able to break it even if I'd try:)09:41
jaywalkbut I wonder, there are plenty of IP-rated smartphones these days. how many of them actually have a warranty to back it up? If I fall overboard and it breaks, is it covered?09:43
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Hellethe_mgt: mmmm, a Sailfish phone suitable for actual sailing09:43
jaywalkfirst of all - all of them seem to be tested in freshwater only and that doesn't cover the sea nor a glass of beer...09:43
Hellejaywalk: most are waterproof to non-pressurised anyway09:43
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jaywalkHelle: plenty seem to be rated IPx7 or IP67 wish should cover a depth of 1 meter at least09:44
HelleI think I still would buy an armored dumbphone without touchscreen if I needed survivability09:45
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Hellethat new phone by, what was it Caterpiller ? with IR camera might be an exception as the IR camera is useful and the armoring is mild09:46
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jaywalkHelle: the new CAT looks nice, but I won't buy anything with android or iphone os so that's a shame on good hardware. The B100 I have now is a proper dumbphone in a armored shell09:50
the_mgtwaterproofing for 1m seems rather pointless to me. 3-5m is what I would be aiming at. and saltwater proof, preferably09:50
jaywalkthe_mgt: I don't dive but I may go for an unexpected swim, so 1m is fine09:51
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the_mgtI once had to fix a CAT phone for a friend, iirc it was waterproof, but the battery coever did not make me especially confident about it09:51
jaywalkbut yes, the water here is brackish so some salt content must be ok09:51
jaywalkand the phones without covers for all contacts won't like that...09:52
jaywalkthe_mgt: this one is screw fixed with a rubber seal. should be fine09:52
the_mgtah, that sounds better09:52
jaywalkofc that means changing SD-card, SIM or battery is a pita but that's the trade-off09:53
the_mgtyou rarely get 100% safety and 100% comfort at the same time09:54
jaywalk*nodnod*09:54
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eugeniowill the acqua fish phone have access to the native Jolla Store?12:55
eugenioI'm asking because while skimming through the phone's photos at MWC the only Store in the app drawer has a droid on it (e.g. http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagelarge/2000970671.jpeg)12:56
eugenioalso at last year's MWC at Shanghai there was a "Sailfish Store" advertised which it is a rebranded android app store (http://cdn.ndtv.com/tech/images/intex_jolla_phone_ndtv.jpg)12:57
eugeniowhich is*12:57
eugeniooh, s/acqua/aqua12:57
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SfietKonstantinWeugenio: we know nothing ATM13:07
eugeniook13:07
r0kk3rzeugenio: why wouldnt it? what kind of phone doesnt have access to native apps?13:08
the_mgtIn 2015, Jolla announced a partnership with Finland’s SSH Communications – a security solutions company – to offer another version of its platform with stronger security credentials, a version now used in the new Turing Phone.13:08
the_mgtaha13:08
SfietKonstantinWr0kk3rz: it might not be the Jolla store13:08
the_mgthttp://techcrunch.com/2016/02/25/turing-robotics-drops-android-and-sets-up-shop-in-finland-amid-global-security-concerns/?ncid=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter13:08
* SfietKonstantinW is still skeptical about turing13:09
r0kk3rzits nothing but conjecture until it ships (turing)13:09
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r0kk3rzbut i fail to see why they wouldnt put a native sfos store on the aqua fish13:09
r0kk3rzand, why that would be anything other than harbour13:10
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ln-got an sms from DHL13:10
SfietKonstantinWr0kk3rz: branding13:10
eugenior0kk3rz, I thought the same, but then why name the android app store simply with "Store"?13:10
SfietKonstantinWJolla store is Jolla's property13:10
eugenioand there wasn't one store-client open in the MWC photos13:10
eugenioof course until the device ships this is all speculation13:11
r0kk3rzSfietKonstantinW: the aqua fish had JOLLA written on the back of it @ mwc...13:11
SfietKonstantinWr0kk3rz: that sound weired to me13:12
SfietKonstantinWbut yeah13:12
SfietKonstantinWtrrue13:12
r0kk3rzwhether its called AquaFish/Jolla/Sailfish store is semantics13:13
r0kk3rzi expect it to be harbour13:13
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eugeniohttp://cdn.ndtv.com/tech/images/intex_jolla_phone_ndtv.jpg13:13
r0kk3rzmaybe you might have a regionised version i guess13:14
lainwir3dhttps://www.turingphone.com/13:14
lainwir3dSailfish OS 2.013:14
r0kk3rzso you only get apps that works in hindu13:14
lainwir3dTuring Æmæth UI13:14
eugenio(that's from last year's MWC at Shanghai)13:14
lainwir3dwait, another UI on top of SF2 ?13:14
eugeniomaybe13:15
eugeniobut still calling it Store or Sailfish Store is weird to me13:15
eugeniowe'll know soonβ„’, I guess :)13:15
the_mgtlainwir3d: from what I understood, that was their UI for android13:15
r0kk3rzeugenio: yeah, soooooon (maybe april, maybe never)13:16
lainwir3dthe_mgt: ok13:16
the_mgtafter updating the homepage from android to sfos, they left the additional UI. if you have a look at yt, there is a videopreview of their ui13:16
the_mgtkind of a retro-futiristic-whatever13:16
the_mgtfrom the above mentioned techcrunch article, I found this, wrt waterproofness, etc: http://www.bittium.com/bittiumtoughmobile13:17
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rigor0kk3rz, Stskeeps: I knew the 3rd way would pay. Congrats to jolla, continue that route!! Others will follow14:04
rigoREMINDER: doesn't work without keeping at least jolla1 phone as your own hardware around14:04
Stskeepsrigo: well, that and all the ported devices14:05
rigoStskeeps: ported is fine and nice for people like me. But despite the android drivers, you still thought about your hardware and you have deep knowledge about it14:07
Stskeepsnod14:07
Stskeepssure14:07
rigoStskeeps: and don't forget the irrational, emotional part of having a phone with that logo on it :)14:08
Stskeepssure14:08
Stskeepsi have a "i made this" cover ;)14:08
rigoif you need a house, put it on ebay :)14:08
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mornfallrigo: what happened? :)14:16
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HtheBThis looks promising: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-laptop-fitting-in-your-pocket--2#/14:27
TofeOh, a big N900 ;)14:28
SmarHtheB: looks like complete ripoff of open pandora/pyra14:30
HtheBLooks much better imo14:31
HtheB1: it's x8614:31
HtheB2: it comes with Windows 10. But I'm sure you can just install any x86 OS on it14:31
HtheB3: If the renders are like the real product, this one is much more sexy :)14:31
Smaryou think you will be able to play gaming pc games with that cpu?14:31
Smar(and isn’t win10 just a minus ;)14:31
HtheBSure, the Pyra has it's own good sides, like double SD cards, MicroSIM, ESATA14:32
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r0kk3rzHtheB: i wouldnt be so sure about 'any x86 os'14:43
r0kk3rzwith the intel SoCs that seems to not really be the case14:43
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r0kk3rzyeah its a cherry trail...14:44
r0kk3rzive been told to steer clear of those for now14:44
HtheBIm sure major linux distros would work14:44
HtheBhmmm14:44
r0kk3rzfor various definitions of 'work'14:44
r0kk3rzit might boot, but you might not get display .etc14:45
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HtheBI'm sure it will eventually work14:46
HtheBwhen the time is right14:46
HtheBbut for $300, it looks pretty good14:46
HtheBretail price will be $50014:46
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r0kk3rzyou're just a kickstarter junkie :P14:49
HtheBweren't we all? :P14:49
HtheB-uhum- Jolla tablet -uhum-14:50
r0kk3rzno?14:50
rigomornfall: was talking about Stskeeps' "i made this cover" gadget...14:53
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temmi_hooanyone go see interdigital stand with their coincidental multicast demo?15:41
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SmarHtheB: I can’t really see 300$ will even pay for hardware there15:43
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temmi_hoowho were in mwc anyway?16:04
temmi_hoo... who of those were not presenting stressfully in their stand?16:04
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Yanielhnnngh rsync to my jolla is slow16:30
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wmaronewell, that's flash memory for you16:43
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Yanieleven flash memory is a good deal faster than 5kb/s16:46
Yaniel(when it's transfering anything in the first place that is)16:46
wmaronedepends on how fragmented it is and the controller16:47
Yanielmust be quite fragmented if that's the cause16:48
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Yanielthe card is only 50% full16:48
Yaniel(an ext4 microsd, not phone internal memory so can't blame btrfs either)16:49
wmaronewhat vendor/class is it?16:49
YanielSanDisk, class 1016:50
Yanielshould be perfectly legit16:50
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Yanielcould it be cachign to internal memory for some reason16:51
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rigoYaniel: I would bet on a bottleneck in the wireless network (e.g. both devices synching over a DSL box that talks to the DSLAM)17:27
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coderuscool, finally make google play works on jolla tablet reflashed to android 4.4 :D20:11
HtheByou got the tablet? Nice20:13
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temmi_hooisn't that kind of reverse fun? i thought we were supposed to flash sailfishos on everything21:12
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coderustemmi_hoo: yeah i like reading comments about that in my twitter :D21:14
coderusit really fun21:14
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temmi_hoomust be :)21:17
temmi_hootrawley21:17
temmi_hooi'm now giving the jeep a rest but i really really liked driving in city with windows open blasting some favourite tunes of mine21:18
temmi_hoosuch as gnossiennes by eric satie21:18
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temmi_hoonothing like a good whack of cognitive dissonance21:18
temmi_hoothe jeep is a dirty old beast with mud all around, pretty bent body panels and all in all looks like it has been driven in a forest not caring too much about avoiding all obstacles21:19
temmi_hoowhich is more or less true21:19
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pdanekHey guys21:20
pdanekhttp://reviewjolla.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/promise-on-sailfish-os-turing-phone-by.html21:20
pdanek"Delivery promise with the current specs might be shot down by Apple, but I think there will still be production in Salo, Finland. But only if financed by The Government of Finland."21:20
pdanekDoes anyone know more details about that? Why shot down by apple? Financed by government?21:20
temmi_hoooh the apple thing is new news21:21
temmi_hoothe financed part is that the 419 guys truthfully see the government and city officials as having a turkey where they should have brain21:22
temmi_hooso they request money promising jobs and economy and all the goodies21:22
temmi_hoohttp://is13.snstatic.fi/img/978/1288737286403.jpg21:22
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r0kk3rzi think it will be a miracly if they manage to actually ship anything21:23
r0kk3rzits got zano levels of hubris all over it21:23
Accelast news I read said they have financiation till end of this year already21:24
Acceand they might consider applying for some TEKES funding (Finnish kinda goverment funding thing)21:24
temmi_hooapplying isn't exactly receiving21:25
pdanekoh I read the article fully21:25
pdanekthey explain most21:25
temmi_hoohttps://twitter.com/jurase_park21:27
temmi_hoodunno how well you read finnish21:27
temmi_hoowe have newer zano level stuff than zano21:28
temmi_hoosuch as the biggest frigging car showroom in frigging at least europe, so big that people will travel all the way from germany to hΓ€meenlinna to buy their car21:28
temmi_hooand then just recently jurase park21:28
r0kk3rztemmi_hoo: is that a real place? i wanna go there21:29
Accer0kk3rz: vapor21:29
r0kk3rzi was mostly joking21:29
temmi_hoor0kk3rz: stupid town officials did not want to give the honest businessmen their hard earned money21:30
r0kk3rzwe had a mining millionare doing the same thing in australia21:30
temmi_hoo... both of them21:30
AcceI hope they're not too desperate in Salo to properly inspect the funding of TRI21:30
temmi_hoothe car showroom thing managed to get several tens of millions, of which the blasting sign was built21:30
temmi_hoohttp://img.yle.fi/uutiset/hameenlinna/article7601327.ece/ALTERNATES/w960/sunny_car_center_tolppa.JPG21:31
r0kk3rzseems like an odd thing to do21:32
r0kk3rzfinland isnt exactly known for its car industry21:32
temmi_hoowell, we have a single car factory that has been used to build swedish and french and recently german cars21:33
temmi_hooalso, i'm not a person that buys new cars but i'm not exactly sure why would i ever travel in order to buy the car from a certain showroom21:35
Accer0kk3rz: that guy has already escaped somewhere claiming he's trying to find other funding21:35
temmi_hoothe jurase park didn't get funding though21:36
r0kk3rzto build a massive car room that nobody is going to go to21:36
Accewell, the good thing about sunny car center was that it was great mess21:36
Acceso now others seem to have learned something from it21:36
Acceand are not throwing their money to any project promising greatness to all21:37
r0kk3rzmaybe i need to come up with a 'scam the finnish government' plan, sounds like all the cool kids are doing it21:37
Accea dinosaur park could work in finland, but jurase was just too joke..21:38
Accer0kk3rz: well, we've got plenty of fools around there21:38
Acceso not too hard, unless they have learned by now21:39
r0kk3rzhttp://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/palmersaurus-inside-clive-palmers-dinosaur-theme-park/story-e6frfq89-122678418317521:39
r0kk3rzat least our dinosaur park got built :P21:39
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temmi_hooi'll go build my own dinosaur park phone factory21:47
temmi_hoowith hookers and blackjack21:47
dirkvlthat sounds awesome21:48
dirkvldont forget the beer-vulcano21:48
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