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Mikaelawhy facebook notifications open in aliendalvikized Facebook Android app, but Twitter notifications open in web browser? I don't remember changing anything07:30
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trigpointwhich android is sailfish 2.0.17 equivalent of?08:42
trigpoint2.0.1.7 even08:43
r0kk3rztrigpoint: depends on the device08:43
trigpointits a jolla phone08:43
Hartzi4.1.X08:43
trigpointthank you08:43
locusfdalvik is 4.2.x, base adaptation is 4.1.x08:44
Bysmyyrsecond hit from google: https://together.jolla.com/question/107009/android-version-in-sailfish-2/08:45
Hartzigoogle is too easy..!08:47
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Teguyea, irc should be closed or replaced with a bot that googles the question and returns a link to the results (or the first result)09:06
Jopeall facebook groups too09:06
Jopeand most forums09:06
Teguwith "which android is sailfish 2.0.17 equivalent of?" only the third result gave information. (for me, that is. you never know how google shuffles the results based on usage)09:08
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Bysmyyrbe simple, my google was:  sailfish android version09:19
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r0kk3rzBysmyyr: the key piece of knowledge is that there is no correlation between sfos version and dalvik version09:23
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pp_tablets are 4.4, I believe :P10:06
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Helle*sigh* Thanks Qt for dropping Qt WebKit support and replacing it by the much worse Qt WebEngine (why worse, it has far reduced functionality and adds licensing hassle, it performs better and is less work to maintain, but those aren't the trade offs everyone wants....)10:17
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BysmyyrHelle: There is good reason. Keeping web engine is very very big job. I have done that one year and I think that is good decision because there is a low of security prblems10:21
Bysmyyrkeeping web engine up to date I mean10:21
TofeBysmyyr: you mean keeping webkit10:22
Bysmyyrjust keeping webkit integrated with anything, less functionality, less work10:23
BysmyyrI was keeping up crosswalk with is based on blink and that was big job10:23
HelleBysmyyr: yes, I get that, now do you get my problems ? I can't even replace WebKit with WebEngine because of less exposed functionality (I know WHY it exposes less functionality, doesn't help me if I need it) and I know of multiple companies that license Qt that are now going "Welp, time to maintain WebKit ourselves, because it's cheaper then complying to the new license"10:37
TofeHelle: it gets better with 5.610:38
TofeBut 5.5 is still frustrating10:38
tbrif 5.6 ever reaches sailfish... where is most of qt on it at the moment? 5.2?10:43
Tofetbr: yep10:43
tbr'lol'10:43
Stskeeps5.3 hybrid 5.210:43
Tofe5.2-and-a-half :)10:44
tbrthat's why I said 'most'10:44
TofeAt least, that solves the question of webengine on SFOS ;)10:45
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henkhi, my display is stuck as explained in https://together.jolla.com/question/107624/touchscreen-stops-responding/. It also keeps lighting up after going dark. anyone know a solution apart from the "windows solution": reboot?12:42
henkha, never mind, fixed itself after about 15 rounds of the display going on and off …12:42
tbrsounds like a homescreen crash12:43
tbryou might want to check resource usage in general12:43
tbrthere might be something running wild in the background, e.g. some android service12:43
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henktbr: How? jolla app or via SSH and top? I do not use android stuff, AFAIK at least.12:49
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tbryeah, e.g. top12:51
tbror powertop12:51
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r0kk3rzhomescreen crash is shown by flashing green led though12:53
r0kk3rzits been some time since i got the touchscreen problem though, it just kinda went away12:53
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Yanielanyone familiar with syncthing?14:11
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r0kk3rzYaniel: familiar enough, whats up?14:17
Yanieldoes it work on jphone?14:18
YanielI'm considering replacing my current rather manual rsync setup14:18
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r0kk3rzyes14:18
Yanielneat14:18
r0kk3rzyou can either just run the arm binary from the syncthing site14:19
r0kk3rzor someone has made a UI for it on openrepos14:19
Yanielawesome14:19
Yanielarch also seems to have all the necessary bits in the official repos14:19
Yaniel(needing 2h to resync my music library after minor tag fixes is more than a bit annoying)14:21
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r0kk3rzsyncthing isnt particularly fast either14:26
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Yanielis it reasonably fast at least?14:30
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Yaniel2h is is annoying because I'm fairly sure I could re-scp the entire dir in less time14:30
r0kk3rzits definitely slower than direct copy14:31
r0kk3rzbut it will do it on a file level i guess14:32
Yanielor are there better solutions?14:34
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EyeAJolla14:35
EyeA)0h14:35
r0kk3rzYaniel: its easy enough to set up so give it a go and see what you think14:35
Yanielfair enough14:35
r0kk3rzno idea on better solutions14:35
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Yanielmmyeah syncthing is taking its time as well16:48
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Yanielthen again I have ~30GB to sync atm16:51
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Yanieland it at least claims to sync at 2MiB/s on average si I'd say it's still reasonable16:52
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henkhttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/216666648 doesn’t work in my case, what should I do?17:02
henkask here? contact jolla? contact indiegogo? comment on that article?17:02
Yanielwhat part?17:02
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r0kk3rzhenk: contact jolla17:03
henkstep 1 fails because I have no email like that. step 2 fails because I do not have an account at indiegogo.17:03
Yanieldid you buy the tablet from the webstore?17:04
henk(step 3 fails because I don’t paypal to have my money, but since I want it back, I’ll have to accept that)17:04
henkYaniel: no, tablet+phone perk on indiegogo17:05
henks/paypal/want paypal/17:05
Yanielwithout an email?17:05
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Yanielor is said email account gone now17:06
henkYaniel: yes, I never received it, contacted indiegogo, they wanted to resend it, I still didn’t receive it and failed to follow up on that17:06
henkno, still works, i received the refund mails on it17:06
Yanielif you still have access to whatever email account you used when backing you can sign up on indiegogo17:07
Yanielthey keep the backing events associated to that email address even if it's not registered17:07
henkYaniel: hm, I’m not quite sure how registering would help?17:08
Yanielyou get a listing of your contributions then?17:09
YanielI had to check that way because I didn't have a contribution id in the confirmation mail17:09
henksooo, assuming I did _not_ have access to this email address anymore but someone else did: he could just register with this email address and see all contributions and possible other data associated with that email address?17:12
Yanielprobably yes17:13
Yanielsame as everywhere you sign up  with an email address17:14
Yanielif someone else gets access to the email, they can just request a password reset and basically own the account17:14
henkhm, true17:17
henkprobably17:17
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henkhrhr, ok, you made it sound ok, but practice is always a little worse17:18
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henkI filled out the signup form and was "loggedin" without even having to verify that I control the email address … but, »Don't worry, this tab and all its content is only visible to you.« because » We need to verify your account before displaying full order details. « … ok, full order details? I see my Shipping Address, the product, the amount of money, that I was too stupid to add shipping on the17:23
henkfirst attempt, the visibility of my donation, … hey, at least not my credit card …17:23
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Yanielvery special tab, only for you my friend17:28
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Yanielr0kk3rz: and I'd say the UX is much better than rsync17:49
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the_mgtYaniel: do you sync your tablet or your sdcard?17:59
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the_mgtI'd rather remove a sdcard and sync on a "real" computer17:59
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Yanielsdcard18:02
Yanielmight be the Right Thing18:02
Yanielbut I'd have to do a recursive chown on the entire card before and after syncing18:03
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Yanieland I'm lazy :P18:04
the_mgtwhy? just create a user with identical uid on your computer?18:05
* the_mgt does not understand the need for chown18:06
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YanielI suppose I could do that too18:07
the_mgtit also should be possible to mount it with a certain uid18:08
* the_mgt shrugs18:08
Yanielhmm right18:09
Yanielgotta try that sometime18:09
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Yanielactually I'll add my laptop to the syncthing mesh while I'm at it as well18:14
Yanielbut thanks for the tip about mount -o uid18:14
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r0kk3rzdepends on whether you want it to just work magically in the background i guess18:27
r0kk3rzsince that is syncthings main usecase18:27
Yanielyeah18:27
svuorelahmm... what does a pledge id look like ?18:34
coderussvuorela: last numbers in your order link18:34
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svuorelathanks18:41
henkoh, I just noticed: I see the pledge ID even though I still haven’t verified that the email address is mine …18:42
henklet’s see how far that gets me (:18:42
Teguhaha, going to crack it?18:45
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henkTegu: me? no, it’s just that Everything Is Broken and I have to make do …18:52
the_mgtYaniel: can you imagine that people outside the linux world do not have these problems with sd cards? impossible, no?18:53
Liekebsd?18:54
the_mgtYaniel: with regards to uid, I mean. the simply insert a usb stick or an sdcard and are able to read/write.18:54
the_mgtLieke: when I was young, we called it lsd ;)18:54
Liekeheh18:54
henkhrhr, nice, it went through (:18:54
henkanyone knowing the email address I ordered with could have done it, though … that’s kinda worrying IMHO.18:55
the_mgtbecause we all know your email adress which you then neglected?18:56
LarstiQhenk: does that also work if you actually have an account?18:56
henkthe_mgt: neglected in how far?18:57
henkLarstiQ: No, only if one has not had an indiegogo account.18:58
LarstiQwonder how common that is18:58
the_mgtyou probably had the account all the time. and it seems to me that you did a login with once.18:58
the_mgtyou just didn't care about confirmation email18:59
henkthe_mgt: Maybe I had an internal account but I never had a password to the site. I made the contribution as a guest and, at the time, was happy that was possible.18:59
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henkLarstiQ: Me too … In this specific case regarding the jolla refunds, it’s probably just a handful of people which are affected. But the problem is with the design of indiegogo’s account management in general. IMHO they shouldn’t show any details associated with an email address until it’s verified that the account’s creator actually controls the mail address.19:02
Yanielthe_mgt: well I could have formatted the card as FAT but then it'd have other limitations19:04
the_mgthenk: ah, ok.19:04
Yanieloh right, exfat isn't supported19:04
Yanielso I'd be limited to fat3219:04
the_mgtthere is exfat-nofuse19:04
the_mgtprobably udf19:04
the_mgtsomeone, somewhere, doesnt support something :)19:05
mornfallformat the card as ext419:10
Yanielit is ext419:11
mornfallwhat was the problem again? :-)19:11
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r0kk3rzmornfall: syncing folders on an sdcard19:32
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HtheBis it possible to change the language of the date guys?19:44
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HtheBOnce I've set the locale to tr.utf8, its somehow showing the date in Turkish language, even if the language is not available inside the options19:45
HtheBbut the system language will be English19:45
HtheBI would like to have the system language different, while the date in Turkish19:45
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mornfallsorry fell off the network19:51
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mornfallthe best way to go about those things is keep uid's sync'd across your unix boxes, I guess19:53
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Yanielyeah and jolla is totally helping with that20:00
Yanielanyway apparently mount supports setting the uid as an option20:00
Yanielso that (hopefully) takes care of that20:00
Nicd-HtheB: you can edit the locale from the command line, it might work20:03
Nicd-don't know of an UI option20:03
HtheBNicd-: cli is ok20:04
HtheBbut I couldn't find which file it is20:04
HtheBI only find a way to change the locale of Android language20:04
Nicd-googling "jolla locale": http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/20:07
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HtheBThanks!20:08
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HtheBno onto some other stuff:20:08
HtheBSome android apps cannot detect the internet connection :(20:08
HtheBlike TomTom20:08
the_mgtsome native app either20:09
the_mgtweb pirate sometimes claims that there is no network, while I have 3g and wifi20:09
HtheBthe_mgt: that is "sometimes"20:10
HtheBbut the android apps NEVER20:10
the_mgtthat's odd20:10
HtheBneh, it's been reported years ago20:10
HtheBthey still did not fixed it :(20:11
HtheByou can try out TomTom20:12
HtheBKik20:12
HtheBthey both have this problem20:12
Yanielyup, syncthing handles small changes very nicely20:24
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