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Tekk_ | I'm having some trouble with my account. It seems like you don't actually delete accounts | 01:48 |
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Tekk_ | But when I try to make a new account, I'm informed that an account with my username and email already exists | 01:48 |
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andybranson | @pvanhoof sailorgram dev is in the jolla fan club telegram group | 09:20 |
coderus | brrr, jolla fan club telegram group, i'm so happy i left from it :D | 09:21 |
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andybranson | it's fun in there :) | 09:26 |
sledges | it is fun:) | 09:28 |
Mikaela | how does one join that? | 09:29 |
Aciid | lc | 09:29 |
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andybranson | There's a link on here: http://isupportjolla.com/ | 09:37 |
coderus | Mikaela: by mistake | 09:37 |
Mikaela | I see | 09:38 |
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Aciid | which comes first, bankruptcy or jolla tablet? | 09:50 |
Acce | neither | 09:50 |
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coderus | neither | 09:53 |
coderus | jolla have investors | 09:53 |
coderus | accepted jolla tablet cancelling | 09:53 |
coderus | more jobs in jolla opening | 09:53 |
Aciid | must be those refugee -level workers then. supported by the finnish gov funding | 09:54 |
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Aciid | can't see how near bankryptcy a company hires back a senior embedded product team with those salaries xD | 09:54 |
Mikaela | I was in belief that everything in Finland is "rehabilitate work" which means having unemployment support + seven euros a day with the actual employer paying nothing | 09:55 |
Lieke | so refugees can't code? | 09:56 |
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Aciid | employer pays nothing for trying out if TE-appoints | 09:56 |
r0kk3rz | well, maybe not neither, definitely bankruptcy because tablet is finished | 09:57 |
Helle | hrm, lol, I might be having a net positive on the tablet refund due to exchange rates | 09:58 |
r0kk3rz | Helle: i lost $50 AUD.... | 09:58 |
phlixi_o | Helle: did you account for the lost interest? | 10:00 |
Helle | phlixi_o: interest at any bank here (without locking it for 10 years) is 0.6%.... | 10:01 |
phlixi_o | ofc you invest on the market and calculate with 10% :D | 10:01 |
Helle | right, right | 10:03 |
Helle | yeah, 25 euro up, heh | 10:04 |
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mornfall | coderus: only apparently nobody wants those jobs now :P | 10:32 |
mornfall | jolla just tweeted they are extending the deadlines | 10:33 |
Aciid | would you be interested in working for a stock option offer xD | 10:33 |
Aciid | avg monthly salary 6000€, but here are these wonderful stocks we have to offer | 10:34 |
Aciid | and this shiny tablet to blow coke from | 10:34 |
mornfall | haha sure :) I can work for free for a number of startups right here, no need to move to Finland :) | 10:34 |
Aciid | stop trying to be positive god damn it | 10:35 |
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thegamer | I just bought a jolla and I'd like to know if it is possible to install a vanilla sailfishOS | 13:56 |
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thegamer | without jolla market, accounts etc... | 13:56 |
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r0kk3rz | thegamer: the out-of-box jolla as as vanilla as it gets | 13:58 |
r0kk3rz | *is | 13:58 |
chem|st | thegamer: you can skip everything on first boot | 13:58 |
chem|st | thegamer: but without jolla-account you wont get system-upgrades ever | 13:59 |
r0kk3rz | at least it should have been upgraded to something newish rather than something years old | 13:59 |
chem|st | r0kk3rz: I think shipping is now with 2.0.0 | 14:00 |
chem|st | or 1.9 | 14:00 |
r0kk3rz | yeah | 14:00 |
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chem|st | question is who but people who stole a phone wants to use it without jolla-account?! | 14:01 |
thegamer | me | 14:02 |
LarstiQ | chem|st: might not want any more accounts | 14:02 |
thegamer | so the point is that I'll need to manually upgrade from release to realease and I'll not be able to use the jolla market right? | 14:03 |
r0kk3rz | thegamer: there is no manually | 14:03 |
r0kk3rz | there is the store, or no updates | 14:03 |
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thegamer | r0kk3rz: what do you mean? I can't flash the OS manually? | 14:04 |
coderus | thegamer: send device to jolla care repair and receive new with latest os version | 14:04 |
fennekki | well I suppose you COULD flash the OS manually if you could somehow acquire an image | 14:05 |
locusf | and also know how its done | 14:06 |
thegamer | coderus: wow this is really coherent with the "WE ARE UNLIKE" motto! | 14:06 |
fennekki | but, like, maybe you could just build Nemo/Mer for your device if you're into not having the specific features SFOS provides | 14:06 |
coderus | you can just setup fake jolla account on fake email without your real name and use it | 14:06 |
fennekki | ie. the ones you seem to want to get rid of | 14:06 |
thegamer | coderus: you are not getting the point: I don't want to accept a licence... | 14:07 |
coderus | :D | 14:07 |
locusf | you can just receive a text message and it goes away | 14:07 |
thegamer | thanks fennekki can you point me to some documentation? | 14:07 |
locusf | when tapping on the notification | 14:07 |
fennekki | thegamer: I wouldn't be surprised if there was no documentation | 14:07 |
fennekki | I can't exactly remember the terms of the Jolla license but ykno you're probably agreeing to similar ones on a daily basis | 14:08 |
* coderus added new kind of paranoia peoples in own list | 14:08 | |
locusf | https://locusf.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/nemo-mobile-distribution-installation-on-a-jolla-device/ | 14:08 |
fennekki | coderus: I'm pretty sure this is not even rms level yet | 14:08 |
thegamer | so this is the FLOSS answer to smartphone problem and you are not able to build and flash the OS on your own? | 14:08 |
r0kk3rz | thegamer: the best case for you is to remove jolla account after update | 14:08 |
kimmoli | coderus: :P | 14:08 |
locusf | its principle, not paranoia | 14:08 |
r0kk3rz | thegamer: sailfishos isnt completely free | 14:08 |
coderus | just wait a year and it will be free and opensource or will not exist anymore | 14:09 |
thegamer | ignore coderus | 14:09 |
thegamer | r0kk3rz: yes I know | 14:10 |
thegamer | but I'm trying to undestarnd if it's a good basis to get something mobile as much free as possible | 14:10 |
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r0kk3rz | thegamer: yes its unfortunate for those who want to remain accountless, but these are the facts on the ground | 14:10 |
thegamer | I'm using a nexus5 with cyanogenmod at the moment | 14:10 |
thegamer | and i tought jolla was a step forward | 14:11 |
r0kk3rz | thegamer: use sfos on the nexus5 | 14:11 |
r0kk3rz | then you dont need an account, you can flash manualy | 14:11 |
thegamer | so i can flash SFOS on a nexus5 but not on a jolla phone? | 14:11 |
locusf | nemo is the way to go for maximum fossness | 14:12 |
locusf | but it doesn't have even a fraction of the apps | 14:12 |
r0kk3rz | thegamer: that is correct | 14:12 |
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thegamer | r0kk3rz: thank you! | 14:13 |
thegamer | locusf thank, I don't care about the apps | 14:13 |
locusf | thegamer: cool, but if you some day do, we welcome all contributions :) | 14:14 |
thegamer | I'd just like to understand if Jolla+nemo is usable(gps+camera+phone...) or it's a smarter idea to ship it back to amazon | 14:14 |
Yaniel | I've been using it as my main phone for a couple of years now | 14:16 |
Acce | Yaniel: with nemo? | 14:16 |
Yaniel | o | 14:16 |
Yaniel | oh | 14:16 |
Yaniel | no | 14:16 |
Yaniel | with sfos | 14:16 |
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r0kk3rz | thegamer: you can put nemo on the nexus 5 to play around with, and decide what to do without screwing with the jolla phone | 14:20 |
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thegamer | thanks r0kk3rz, I'll try that way | 14:21 |
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chem|st | thegamer: the not-being-able-to-flash is not a Jolla decision, try to make a phone with everything open and available with a pricetag in that area... | 14:42 |
chem|st | it is the firmwares they must not distribute | 14:43 |
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chem|st | and what is so bad about the Jolla terms? they just reflect what is the law in most countries, the terms you agreed to with amazon (you ordered from?) are much more of a concern | 14:46 |
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thegamer | chem|st: what's the difference from distributing the OS | 14:48 |
thegamer | with binary blobs of course | 14:48 |
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thegamer | and let people free to flash the device when the want | 14:48 |
thegamer | and force people to have the phone binded with this account | 14:48 |
thegamer | I really don't see the point | 14:48 |
Yaniel | the thing is that the binary blobs are under proprietary licenses | 14:49 |
Yaniel | which presumably only allow distribution along with a device | 14:50 |
chem|st | thegamer: ehrm you can unlock the phone and do whatever you want | 14:50 |
Yaniel | (OEM license) | 14:50 |
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chem|st | qualcom does not permit to distribute blobs iirc | 14:51 |
Yaniel | someone might try reverse engineering them! | 14:52 |
Yaniel | and stealing precious ip | 14:52 |
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thegamer | nevermind guys, I wasn't looking for a new fancy interface, I was looking for a more "libre" mobile platform and as far as I understand jolla is not the answer... | 14:53 |
r0kk3rz | chem|st: jolla decision or not, it affects their product | 14:53 |
thegamer | I'll ship back the brick | 14:53 |
thegamer | thank you all for your time | 14:54 |
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phlixi_o | thegamer: you might want to look into open mokko etc | 14:56 |
phlixi_o | or neo900 (is this still a thing?) | 14:56 |
phlixi_o | maybe #maemo | 14:56 |
r0kk3rz | phlixi_o: surely ubuntu touch is the best on offer libre wise these days | 14:56 |
phlixi_o | r0kk3rz: have you tried one of these? i probably would prefer nemo | 14:57 |
phlixi_o | last time i checked that was pretty pre-alpha^^ | 14:57 |
phlixi_o | and compared to that openrepos is heaven | 14:58 |
r0kk3rz | phlixi_o: it moves quickly, so unless you've tried it within the last few months i wouldnt judge it too harshly | 14:58 |
chem|st | r0kk3rz: in terms on flashing maybe, ubuntu feels like win10 or android, a shopping-mal in your hand | 14:58 |
coderus | thegamer: i am already ignoring. i just have list of peoples in groups and kinds of paranoia. you number #14 here :D | 14:58 |
phlixi_o | coderus: what number am i? | 14:58 |
coderus | :P | 14:59 |
sledges | if you'll get the answer, it will be #15 :) | 14:59 |
chem|st | thegamer: the Jolla1 maybe not, SFOS is a good start | 14:59 |
r0kk3rz | chem|st: yeah the UX aside, it *is* all open source | 14:59 |
phlixi_o | btw thegamer, coderus is a very presious asset of the sfos comunity, sometimes a bit harsh, but a nice guy :-) | 14:59 |
coderus | sledges: not that easy :D | 14:59 |
sledges | coderus: then no answer including a number:)) | 15:00 |
coderus | sledges: yeah that was my mistake really | 15:00 |
phlixi_o | and for the most part afaiu the rest isnt free, but at least oss :D (of the ux, not the radio chips etc) | 15:01 |
chem|st | thegamer: and really, because of "I need an account to upgrade", or cannot flash it myself? You can make your own image just not upgrade with one | 15:01 |
phlixi_o | also i remember coderus distributing images :D | 15:01 |
coderus | btw, which repos are really need jolla account to work? | 15:01 |
sledges | now you can install developer mode without jolla account btw | 15:02 |
coderus | phlixi_o: i have one 1.1.8.17 or so for dding to dead jollas | 15:02 |
chem|st | coderus: the ones with the closed blobs stuff | 15:02 |
coderus | chem|st: so you cant just ssu re 2.0.1.x and version-dup without jolla account also? | 15:03 |
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chem|st | coderus: never tried... | 15:04 |
coderus | me neither | 15:04 |
chem|st | but jolla-store was locked down iirc | 15:04 |
chem|st | sledges: so what is locked down now? | 15:04 |
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TMavica | anyone when using android apps, it hanged and reboot itself? | 16:52 |
TMavica | sometimes | 16:52 |
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Helle | when you are randomly looking up stuff and discover that Fairphone vacated their current offices due to the space popping up to rent | 17:00 |
Stskeeps | Helle: where are they now? their offices i visited were awesome, near the sea | 17:01 |
Helle | Stskeeps: no idea, might be something up with the rental company, they still have their official address there | 17:03 |
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Helle | ah, looks like the numbers for the building don't match up with the split up spaces accurately | 17:05 |
Helle | but yeah, that location is nice (and expensive) | 17:06 |
Helle | (haven't been to their offices, but I have been to events of theirs near it) | 17:07 |
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sledges | chem|st: i don't think updates need auth: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_mako#WIP_Over-the-Air_updates_.28OTA.29 | 17:18 |
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chem|st | sledges: only the proprietary things then? | 18:02 |
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sledges | chem|st: could be just the store (with proprietaries inclusive) | 18:02 |
chem|st | sledges: got a device to test? | 18:03 |
chem|st | mine are all up to date | 18:03 |
sledges | chem|st: ask on porters chan:) | 18:03 |
sledges | bit busy now myself | 18:03 |
chem|st | :D | 18:03 |
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Tekk_ | sledges: is there somewhere to report a bug with jolla accounts when you don't have an account? | 18:25 |
sledges | Tekk_: chicken and egg?:) | 18:26 |
Tekk_ | sledges: precisely :) | 18:26 |
sledges | you can create an account online | 18:26 |
sledges | :P | 18:26 |
Tekk_ | My account was messed up, so I tried to recreate my account | 18:26 |
Tekk_ | So I deleted my account | 18:26 |
Tekk_ | But in going back to create a new account, I'm told that my username and password are already in the db | 18:26 |
sledges | which is ensured to work more than often:) | 18:26 |
Tekk_ | So I'm guessing you guys don't quite delete accounts right | 18:26 |
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Tekk_ | (tried both from the phone and on the web) | 18:27 |
sledges | Tekk_: how do you delete an account? | 18:27 |
Tekk_ | accounts.jolla.com, delete account | 18:27 |
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Tekk_ | err, account.jolla.com | 18:28 |
sledges | Tekk_: well there are many ways to contact us ;) one of those is here, otherwise mention @jollahq twitter, best is to write to care | 18:28 |
sledges | Tekk_: removing past account data brings problem of impersonations | 18:29 |
sledges | *username | 18:29 |
Tekk_ | Yeah, but I think it'd be safe to make sure that things match though | 18:29 |
Tekk_ | if the username matches with the email that was registered before, then allow recreation | 18:29 |
sledges | technical debt then i guess - not occurred often enough to get prioritised | 18:30 |
sledges | sorry mate :/ | 18:30 |
Tekk_ | You're good. I'll just throw in a support request. I'm sure this isn't a common issue | 18:30 |
Tekk_ | Actually I thik my flash here is messed up anyway | 18:31 |
Tekk_ | I have no ambiences for some reason as well | 18:31 |
sledges | woops | 18:37 |
Tekk_ | Mhm | 18:37 |
Tekk_ | So another reinstall cycle once I get home | 18:37 |
* Tekk_ tests sfdroid, so stuff tends to be a bit more unstable than usual :) | 18:38 | |
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sledges | aha! ;) | 18:41 |
sledges | so not jolla phone then:) | 18:41 |
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kimmoli | Tekk_: what device? if you dont see any ambience, it might be chown issue | 18:46 |
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Tekk_ | Yeah. I'm american, so a Jolla proper wasn't really an option | 18:49 |
Tekk_ | Sadly | 18:49 |
Tekk_ | But the Jolla account is nice since I do plan on developing some stuff, access to harbour and such | 18:49 |
Tekk_ | kimmoli: nexus 5. I don't think it's a chown issue since I just fixed that when migrating my ~ | 18:49 |
Tekk_ | Unless ambiances aren't supposed to be nemo:nemo | 18:49 |
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kimmoli | the sqlite db is under ~/.local/share/system/privileged/Ambienced/ which is nemo_privileged | 18:51 |
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Tekk_ | I'll glance at it in ssh when I have a chance | 18:51 |
Tekk_ | Thanks for the pointer there | 18:51 |
kimmoli | yeah, i had issues with that, and was fixed making path groups correct | 18:52 |
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Tekk_ | Huh | 18:56 |
Tekk_ | Yeah, that was weird | 18:58 |
Tekk_ | ~/.local/share/system/privileged somehow was u-rwx | 18:58 |
Tekk_ | Thanks for the pointer there kimmoli | 18:58 |
Tekk_ | So then my only problem is my jolla account issue I thik | 18:59 |
Tekk_ | think* | 18:59 |
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kimmoli | was store and stuff enabled for hammerhead? | 19:02 |
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sledges | kimmoli: yes | 19:27 |
Tekk_ | Ugh | 19:31 |
Tekk_ | And what do you want to bet my phone's account problems were because of that chmod issue? :/ | 19:31 |
kimmoli | a penny? | 19:31 |
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r0kk3rz | i wonder what a 4" high dpi screen would be like for a phone | 20:57 |
r0kk3rz | im noticing since ive got a 4k screen at work, i can handle much smaller text than usual due to extra dpi | 20:58 |
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Yaniel | it would be awesome | 21:01 |
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r0kk3rz | oh boring, the new iphone display is the same as the old one | 21:08 |
r0kk3rz | i was thinking more along the lines of the 500dpi display that i think LG had | 21:08 |
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phlixi | r0kk3rz i have a iphone 5 as testing device, thats imho perfect size, and superb screen (well, i prefer n9 style billboard over highres^^) | 21:39 |
phlixi | i dont think 500dpi makes any sense | 21:39 |
phlixi | once they sell icloud server for private cloud, im sold ^^ | 21:40 |
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