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tadzikeeheheeh: https://sailfishos.org/ "No space left on device"10:01
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paulvtoops10:04
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Hartzitadzik: what's wrong?10:12
tadzikthe php warning up top10:12
tadzikgone now :)10:12
Hartziah10:13
Hartziok10:13
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phlixi_olike that:10:42
phlixi_o<br />10:42
phlixi_o<b>Warning</b>:  session_start(): open(/var/lib/php5/sess_xxxxxx, O_RDWR) failed: No space left on device (28) in <b>/srv/sailfishos.org/wp-content/themes/sailfishos/header.php</b> on line <b>1</b><br />10:42
phlixi_o<!DOCTYPE html>10:42
phlixi_oactually on production there should be no warnings/errors10:42
tbryuck10:45
tbrphlixi_o: did DHL deliver? I got an email saying the loaded up.10:46
phlixi_oi didnt expected "express" thus i order to my home address, on order to go to the postoffice and get it... but its express, they wont do that (they also dont do packstation etc...) i expect them to call me (again...) the next hours...10:48
phlixi_oi already spoke to DHL 3 times, plus they sent me a letter an email and i wrote an email...10:48
* SQUelcher remembers cycling to the airport to pick up his dhl express packets..10:48
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SQUelcherat least the depot isn't crowded.10:49
phlixi_o(ofc for this package, which hasnt arived yet)10:49
phlixi_othey asked me to provide a proof for the value of the delivery10:50
phlixi_o(customs)10:50
phlixi_okinda silly, they accepted an screenshot of the checkout10:50
phlixi_o...after calling them and teling them that this is $ while their papers is €10:51
phlixi_ostupid dhl...10:51
phlixi_oso, tbr, everything fine i guess :-)10:51
tbrphlixi_o: glad to hear :)10:52
tbrDHL customs handling in Leipzig sucks major balls, so I was a bit worried10:53
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YanielI once called DHL to have a packege delivered to a friend as I expected it to arrive while I was in the army11:49
Yanielluckily for me it got delayed and arrived on my day off11:50
Yanielbecause they delivered it to the original address (mine) and had just changed the recipient name >.<11:50
HelleYaniel: oh, DHL actually listens to that.....11:51
Hellehere most companies don't even try11:51
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phlixi_oi have to admit, usually, they do a good job13:27
phlixi_ojust this time, this single delivery, very f*cked up13:27
phlixi_o(indeed, it coudl be even worse)13:27
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kimmolichanging delivery address with DHL . meh. they still try once to deliver to original address before re-routing to new. (in finland atleast)13:44
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pdanek**UPDATE, April 26, 2016: The system update planned to include Dual SIM support won't make it yet to April. Jolla is currently working with another Early Access release of Sailfish OS 2.0.1, and it'll be released for test users for a while before a public release. 2.0.2 will be the next update after that. (source: James Noori, Community Manager at14:18
pdanekJolla).14:18
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pdanekDo you guys have a clue how long is the delay?14:18
pdanekby 1 month?14:18
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ggabrielwhat delay?14:19
pdanekIntex Aqua Fish14:19
pdanekshould have been released on 26th of April14:19
pdanekbut they delay it because Sailfish OS update is not ready14:19
ggabrielok, so the delay is 1 day :P14:19
pdanekno14:19
pdanekdefinitely longer14:20
ggabrielit will be 2 tomorrow :P14:20
pdanekbecause they announced delay yesterday14:20
pdanek?14:20
ggabrielyou mean what the new release date is14:20
ggabrielwhich hasn't been communicated14:20
pdanekyes14:21
pdanekthat's what I meant :)14:22
ggabrielthere's probably more info in the community meetings tbh14:22
ggabrielI remember them talking about issues with the release/blockers/etc14:22
ggabrielshame the pressure is on jolla... they don't need more pressure me thinks14:23
pdanek:)14:27
pdanekthanks ggabriel, will attend tomorrow14:29
ggabrielpdanek: I meant check minutes... not sure what topics will be coered tomorrow14:32
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pdanekcan't find logs of meetings14:36
pdaneksomeone removed it from room subject14:36
ggabrielpdanek: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/14:37
r0kk3rzggabriel: they have a paying customer now, of course they were going to be under the pump from them just before release14:39
pdanekIs Intex paying to Jolla?14:39
r0kk3rzof course14:39
pdanekit will be cool phone14:46
pdanekLTE for both Asia and Europe14:46
pdanekdual SIM14:46
pdanekextremely cheap price, so I can buy 2 of them and never be worried losing phone again14:47
ggabrielpdanek: you in india?14:47
r0kk3rzyeah i kinda want one too, cheep jolla upgrade really14:50
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cehtehyesterday i had the idea, 2 phones  .. one in charger one in use,  syncing with each other15:03
ggabrielyou'll find it difficult with things like whatsapp15:04
ggabrielbut otherwise possible15:04
cehtehi dont use whatsapp .. but yes some software which handles all this things would be nice15:04
ggabrieloh, no, you have to figure out rsync and such15:04
ggabrielI don't think anything will sync any random application15:05
cehtehcall forwarding to whatever phone is not in charger (is it possible to get sims with the same telephone number?)15:05
ggabrielof course things that are centralised are trivial (email, etc.)15:05
ggabrielerm, I don't think so15:05
ggabrielI assumed you'd change the sim card15:05
ggabrielnot for personal use anyway, there are fancy business services that offer something along those lines15:05
cehtehnah just swap one phone into charger, the other one out should be all whats needed15:06
ggabrielbut that costs money15:06
cehtehanyway that was just an idea. would be cool if it could be realized, but i dont use my phone that often that it makes sense for me15:06
r0kk3rzsounds like a rube goldberg type solution to a replacable battery15:07
ggabrielwell, I have a phone in a charger right now and all I do is replace the battery :P15:07
ggabrieland use that phone to test EA sfos releases15:07
cehtehhigh availability phone .. also if one is in repair or whatever15:08
ggabrieltry to live without a phone for a couple of days ;)15:08
kjetilhorunning DRBD over 4G?15:08
cehtehi suppose you can sync the phones over wlan15:09
kjetilhoor btrfs send/recv15:09
cehtehdoes the intex phone still use btrfs? :D15:09
r0kk3rzunlikely15:09
pdanekggabriel: I'm not in India, but I work in IT and every single mid-to-large sized company in Europe has loads of Indian employees, so I will always have a colleague or friend who's family can ship it for me15:09
pdanek+ there is a guy on jolla together who is organizing mass shipping of Intex phones from India15:10
cehtehit would be nice if btrfs would be stable (and performing), but not there yet15:10
pdanekand considering the phone will probably cost only about 80 EUR, why not to buy 2 of them15:10
ggabrielpdanek: good to hear15:10
ggabrielI wonder how many they'll make15:11
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cehteh80Eur .. woah15:11
pdanekit's not super cheap15:12
pdaneknormal price for Asian phone15:12
pdanekwith these specs15:12
pdanekI would say even above average price15:12
ggabrielbut it'll be faster than anything else :P15:12
cehtehreally?15:12
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r0kk3rzcehteh: you can look at the other phones in the Intex catalogue for comparison15:13
cehtehnot planned to ship/sell it offically in europe?15:13
pdanekfor 100 EUR you can  get Intex phone with 3GB ram and much faster CPU15:13
cehtehunlocked?15:14
pdanekcehteh not initially, but who cares.... with this price I don't care about warranty15:14
pdanekit will be unlocked of course, it's dual SIM15:14
cehtehah yes15:14
pdaneklocking is practice of US/EU15:14
cehtehlets see when it ships15:15
r0kk3rz+ au + jp15:15
pdanekright15:15
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pdanekIs it worth visiting Tokyo?15:16
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pdanekthinking of my next vacation15:16
r0kk3rzdefinitely15:16
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r0kk3rzbut imo try to see somewhere else as well15:16
pdanekSeoul?15:17
r0kk3rznagoya, osaka, kyoto15:17
r0kk3rzseoul is in korea15:17
pdanekis 1 week enough for both Seoul and Tokyo?15:17
pdanekI know man :D15:17
pdanekI just want large cities15:17
pdanekI don't care about Japanese countryside much15:17
ggabrielerm... japan locks phone like there's no tomorrow15:17
r0kk3rzosaka is a big city15:17
r0kk3rzbut if you like big cities, then i guess tokyo is the place15:18
pdanekisn't it better to combine Tokyo with Seoul?15:18
pdanekonly 2.5H flight15:18
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r0kk3rznever been to korea15:19
ggabrielpdanek: 1 week is definitely not enough for tokyo alone15:20
ggabrielespecially if you like cities15:20
pdanekright15:20
ggabriel9-10 days was enough for me to cover the basis15:20
r0kk3rzi spent close to a week total in tokyo and that was enough for me15:20
pdanekI'm in BIrmingham now for last 3 months15:21
pdanekand it just feels small15:21
pdaneknothing to do really15:21
ggabrielwell... it is small :P15:21
pdanekso finally moving to London15:21
r0kk3rzsmall? depends on your perspective i guess15:21
pdanekyep15:21
pdanekthat's why I said  "feels"15:21
pdanek:)15:21
ggabrielnot one of the biggest cities in the UK at least15:21
pdanek2nd biggest15:21
pdanek:D15:21
ggabrielwat15:21
pdaneksure, what did you think?15:22
ggabrielaccording to whom?15:22
leinir3rd biggest as of a few months ago, iirc... but yeah :)15:22
pdanekaccording to population size?15:22
leinir(surpassed by manchester)15:22
ggabrieli heard sheffield was there too15:22
ggabrielbut anyway15:22
pdanekleinir surpassed by Manchester?15:22
leinirpdanek: that's what i heard, yeah15:23
pdanekyou're reading some strange shit man15:23
pdanek:D15:23
ggabrielpdanek: or maybe you are? ;)15:23
pdanekBirmingham has twice amount of people than Manchester15:23
leinirsometime last year :)15:23
r0kk3rzggabriel: sheffield? not the sheffield in the uk thats for sure15:23
ggabrielyeah, the sheffield in the uk15:23
ggabrielbut didn't chekc facts, mind15:23
ggabrielalso, sheffield is mostly a student city15:23
pdaneksometimes there are articles on net about: "what's Britains second city?" but this is meant as second most important, not largest or most populated15:24
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pdanekbut, I have to agree that Manchester city center feels same big as Birmingham's city center, even though Birmingham is 2x as big15:24
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roborohttp://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/HTMLDocs/dvc134_c/index.html15:24
ggabrielI'm sure folks from other cities will have another opinion when it comes to importance :P15:25
r0kk3rzyeah, but in terms of sheer size its hard to argue15:25
pdanekfunny thing is that I come from 12k town15:25
pdanekbut over the years, I just got used to larger and larger cities15:26
pdanekand as I traveled in Asian megacities frequently15:26
roboroalso: http://www.ukcities.co.uk/populations/15:26
ggabrielwell, def not the 2nd city according to roboro's source15:26
pdanekthere is no way back now15:26
roboromanchester has half of the people of brum15:26
ggabrielone site contradicts the other but well15:27
leiniri suspect manchesterians would count greater manchester... because they would ;)15:27
pdanek:)15:27
ggabriellol manchesterians and of course15:27
pdanekyes15:27
ggabrielsame liverpoolians15:27
pdanekbut that roboro's source15:28
pdanekis shit15:28
pdanekI checked if it contains some of lower population cities15:28
pdanekand many are not in the list at all15:28
pdaneksome 50k etc15:28
ggabrielwelcome to the complexities of counting people in a country15:28
ggabrielthey may as well tcpdump the internet and count unique fb logins15:29
ggabrielthey'll probably get a more accurate count15:29
pdanek:D15:29
r0kk3rzdoesnt need to be that accurate15:29
pdanekthat would be too influenced by tourism15:29
ggabrielare we letting tourists use OUR internet?!15:30
roborothe first site shows population density in terms of square kms... which may not be representative of the size of a city...15:30
pdanekEdinburgh would suddenly become 2nd largest15:30
pdanek:D15:30
roborothe city may have a lot of sprawl15:30
roboroso over a wider area... there are lots of people but they are not dense15:30
r0kk3rzsprawl, yay melbourne!15:30
roboro:D15:30
pdanekroboro: sure, I meant the second link, which definitely missing MANY cities which are way bigger than those in the list15:31
roboroagreed.. second link is a bit sucky15:33
roborohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom15:33
roborothat supports the manchester argument15:34
ggabrielmanchester has loads of students as well, doesn't it?15:34
ggabrieli found that the vibe of a big city changes significantly if there are loads of students15:34
ggabrielnot better or worse, just different15:35
ggabrieldifferent stuff to do mainly15:35
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r0kk3rzpdanek: id still say go to osaka, its still a big city in its own right but different atmosphere to tokyo15:39
pdanekhmm15:39
pdanekthanks15:39
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pdanekwill note that15:39
ggabrielor try kyoto :P former japanese capital15:40
r0kk3rzkyoto is nice15:40
pdanekright15:40
ggabrielanything !tokyo is easier to navigate fwiw15:40
r0kk3rzlots of history in kyoto15:40
ggabrielunless you can read kanji15:40
pdanekI don't usually care about history, old buildings et15:40
pdanekI just want megacity15:40
pdanekcrowds15:40
pdanek:D15:40
ggabrielgo to london/oxford circus on a saturday pm15:41
ggabrieland save the money :P15:41
pdanek:D15:41
pdanekit's not the same15:41
pdanekHong Kong feels much better and busier as megacity15:41
pdanekmuch more of cyberpunk feel kinda15:41
ggabrielthey have the same pedestrian crossing as in shibuya15:41
r0kk3rzshibuya was fairly mad though, so many people15:42
ggabrielit's quite mad15:42
pdanekthat's why you need Intex phone with Sailfish for 80 eur15:42
pdanekthat you will never worry again of losing your phone in crowds15:42
pdanekalways carry 2 intexes on vacation15:43
pdanekand make daily backups15:43
pdanek:)15:43
r0kk3rzat least with a japanese crowd they are exceptionally unlikely to rob you15:43
ggabrielI normally avoid losing my phone15:43
pdanekin Vietnamese crowds it's exceptionally likely to rob me15:43
ggabrielyeah, watch out roppongi tho15:43
r0kk3rzdont go there15:44
r0kk3rzjust dont15:44
r0kk3rzits not worth it15:44
pdanekwhere?15:44
r0kk3rzroppongi district in tokyo15:44
ggabrielthere are some nice bits though15:44
pdanekwhy15:44
ggabrielloads of locals go there actually15:44
r0kk3rzyou have to run the gauntlet of nigerian scamsters15:44
ggabrieleasier if you're with locals as they don't bother you15:45
pdanekright15:45
r0kk3rzyeah i wasnt15:45
r0kk3rzsingle caucasian male by myself? yeah i was their prime target15:45
ggabrieli forgot the phrase you have to use to get rid of them15:46
pdanekhmm15:47
r0kk3rzoh theres a magic phrase?15:47
pdanekyou can't just "ignore" them?15:47
ggabrielthere's a magic phrase in japanese15:47
r0kk3rzpdanek: i was followed by one for at least 2-3 blocks15:47
ggabrielthat shows that you aren't fooling around and are serious15:47
ggabrielvery polite15:47
pdanekbut they are harmless if you ignore, aren't they?15:47
ggabrielthey won't do anything to you15:47
pdanekI tend to ignore these people, not even make single eye contact15:48
ggabrielphysically i mean15:48
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pdanekor even put headpones on15:48
pdanekin India, a lot of such situations15:48
ggabrielit isn't that bad in roppongi but the goal is different :)15:49
r0kk3rzat the time i was perhaps ill equipped for the situation15:49
r0kk3rzwas my first time out of australia after all15:49
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sakustaryakuza games taught me its ok unless you run in japan16:21
sakustarif you run people tend to start fights with you16:21
sakustarand always buy alcohol for homeless people so theyll throw you weapons16:21
ggabriellol16:21
ggabrielwhich homeless? :P16:22
sakustarthe ones wearing green jackets at least16:22
sakustaridk if the rest even speak to you16:22
sakustar:)16:23
ggabrielthat's quite funny16:23
sakustaralso the cab fare should always be the same amount no matter where you go, so watch out for scams16:25
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useretail!rules20:29
merbotuseretail: Error: "rules" is not a valid command.20:29
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useretailhey guys, how to add repos to jolla?20:30
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coderusssu ar alias repo_url20:31
coderusthen ssu er alias20:31
useretailok, can i add a repo with this: zypper ar -f https://sailfish.openrepos.net/NielDK/personal-main.repo20:32
coderusdont know, not using zypper20:32
coderusthere is Warehouse app for openrepos20:32
useretaili tried two times, and after refresh repos disappear20:32
useretailok, hows repo url look like? like above or like this: https://sailfish.openrepos.net/NielDK/personal/20:33
coderusssu ar openrepos-NielDK https://sailfish.openrepos.net/NielDK/20:34
useretailthanks20:35
coderusbut really, there is Warehouse, app to enable repos and install apps from openrepos with two clicks20:35
useretailthanks but i'd like to try with ssh, since i don't have much time to play with gui20:36
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useretailFile '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'https://sailfish.openrepos.net/NielDK/'20:40
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coderusthen try ssu ar openrepos-NielDK https://sailfish.openrepos.net/NielDK/personal/main/20:42
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useretailyweah, it worked20:43
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