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chem|stdoes anyone know if the xiaomi yi works with Jolla1 or Tablet?10:48
Hartzichem|st: what's that?10:48
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cehtehchem|st: over wlan or usb?10:50
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cehtehanyway i dont know10:51
chem|stHartzi: actionCam10:58
chem|stcehteh: wlan BT whatever10:58
chem|stcehteh: I do have access to a samsung tablet though but I rather have it exiled at my sister's than use it again10:59
chem|stdon't find anything if it is adhoc network or not11:00
cehtehsome time ago i was thinking about replacing my mobius with a yi, and 3 axis gimbal, never did and yi isnt that big of an upgrade over a mobius11:01
Hartzichem|st: ok11:02
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chem|stcehteh: yeah I am thnking of waiting for the next model, and I got no mobius but a 720p cam, fair enough for the usual shots11:21
cehtehmobius isnt that gerat at 1080p11:22
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chem|stwell xiaomi yi is somewhere between GP3 and GP4 iirc, just no 4k yet11:41
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Liekeoh hey, new sailfish version12:04
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kimmolihttps://together.jolla.com/question/126892/release-notes-201taalojarvi-early-access/12:10
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jcelerierhello :) just received update 2.0.1.11 but cannot find a changelog anywhere :(12:35
jcelerieris this just some minor bugfix release ?12:36
pp_repodiff ftw. :P12:37
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chem|stjcelerier: anything not i++ on the second minor is bugfixes12:40
kimmolihttps://together.jolla.com/question/126892/release-notes-201taalojarvi-early-access/#126892-changelog12:40
chem|stkimmoli: :D12:41
kimmolishort: 2016-04-28: 2.0.1.11 Early access update to address critical incoming call issue and to provide latest security updates12:41
jcelerierokay, thanks !12:42
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TMavica140MB..12:46
TMavicaso large?12:47
chem|stTMavica: glibc?12:47
TMavicaoc12:50
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* Yaniel downloads12:58
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tillupdate done :)13:10
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cehtehwhere are the backups stored?13:31
Yaniel/home/nemo/.vault13:32
Yanieland you can copy them to the sdcard as a .tar.gz13:32
pdanek!seen TMavica13:33
merbotpdanek: TMavica was last seen in #jollamobile 42 minutes and 59 seconds ago: <TMavica> oc13:33
pdanekTMavica: Hey13:33
pdanekTMavica: Will you finally find time for me please?13:33
TMavicatomorrow13:34
cehtehYaniel: didnt worked for me13:39
cehtehprobably because sd-card is root:root and i have /nemo  and /android there13:40
cehtehbut i just started a backup to my server, thats better than sd card13:40
cehteh(server doing daily backups anyway)13:41
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mornfallit's kinda funny how the system now says 'goodbye!' when you hit 'install' on an update14:14
Yaniel"GL HF"14:16
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cehtehoops14:18
cehteh.. did the update, settings->gestures doesnt work anymore, 3 finger volume is also broken, jolla phone14:19
chem|stcehteh: 3finger volume is tablet only ;)14:19
cehtehit worked fine on the phone14:20
cehtehi liked it14:20
chem|stcehteh: did you enable it with mce-tools maybe?14:20
the_mgtwut update?!14:20
cehtehpatchmanager yes14:20
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chem|stthe_mgt: gogogo14:20
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cehtehwell that settings->gestures is broken is prolly more a problem14:21
* the_mgt fumbles14:21
chem|stcehteh: anything non-stock needs to be reapplied and also might need an update14:21
cehtehyes i know14:21
cehtehjust reporting, maybe someone here knows how to fix it14:21
chem|strestart lipstick after applying that setting14:21
cehtehrebooted14:21
chem|sthmm14:21
chem|stcehteh: what do you see in settings gestures?14:22
cehtehnothing14:22
cehtehi cant select it14:22
chem|stempty or grey14:22
cehtehits there, not greyed14:22
chem|stwe had stuck settings in the past14:23
cehtehbut when i click, nohting happens14:23
kimmolijournal while pressing ?14:25
cehtehhow to dump that?14:26
kimmoliso the gestures -page does not open?14:26
cehtehyes14:26
kimmoliterminal?14:26
kimmolissh?14:26
cehtehssh as root now, but i am systemd noob14:27
kimmolijournalctl -fa14:27
kimmolithen start settings, and it should say why it cant open that page14:27
cehtehApr 28 16:27:40 Jolla invoker[1195]: WARNING: An inactive plugin is misbehaving - tried to show a window!14:28
cehtehApr 28 16:27:40 Jolla invoker[1195]: WARNING: requestActivate() called for  QQuickView(0xf5dbc8)  which has Qt::WindowDoesNotAcceptFocus set.14:28
cehtehApr 28 16:27:42 Jolla estart[4398]: [W] unknown:439 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/PageStack.js:439: Error: Error while loading page: file:///usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/gestures/gestures.qml:120 id is not unique14:28
kimmoligestures.qml:120 id is not unique14:28
kimmolithere is your proble14:28
cehtehwhatever that means14:28
kimmolisome id: blaa is defined in two places14:28
kimmolimaybe your patch is applied twice? or new code uses same id as the patch?14:29
cehtehah yes14:29
cehtehfound it remove it14:30
cehtehhow to restart lipstick? or whatever needs to restarted?14:30
cehteh.. fixe14:31
cehtehd14:31
cehtehthanks14:31
kimmolias nemo; systemctl --user restart lipstick14:31
cehtehnow only the 3 finger volume remains .. that complains about a unmet dependency, i guess i wait some days14:31
cehtehwhy doesnt jolla allow that on the phone? imo its very useful14:32
kimmolimaybe the gesture guy has big fingers? can fit 3 only on tablet ? :P14:32
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cehtehwith swipe-to-lock, doubletap and 3 finger volume you never ever need the buttons for normal usage14:32
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cehtehand *that* is really cool14:33
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chem|sttrue14:36
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chem|stcehteh: https://together.jolla.com/question/133593/feature-request-release-3-finger-volume-swipe-to-jolla1/14:40
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cehteh+1 :D14:40
chem|stjust for you lazy14:41
kjetilhobtw, anyone know of a photo app which allows me to press a volume button to snap the picture?14:41
chem|stkjetilho: the core app does14:41
kjetilhohmmm...14:41
chem|stlol14:41
kimmolidoes not work as video rec though14:42
cehtehswipe to lock isnt available by default either?14:42
kjetilhothat's strange, it seemed unresponsive last I tried it.  well, thanks for the quick fix :)14:42
chem|stcehteh: swipe to lock isn't the default action for a while now14:44
chem|stbut in settings14:44
cehtehah ok14:44
cehtehi know it got removed, but cant remmeber if i patched it back14:44
chem|stcehteh: thanks to kimmoli https://together.jolla.com/question/114161/enable-three-finger-volume-gesture-for-phone/14:45
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chem|stwhy do people close such general requests with openrepos as answer... $user does not use other stuff than Jolla-Store provides (and I stopped using openrepos a while ago - too much hassle)14:48
chem|stcehteh: no need to patch it, it is in the settings now14:48
cehtehi just answered your feature request14:48
kimmolichem|st: seems it was his own question and answer and patch..14:50
chem|styeah I reopened it as patches are no solution to a general request, even if it was his own request - not serving togetherness14:51
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cehtehi hope jolla doesnt fall into the gnome fail .. knowing whats better for the users, but not listening to them14:52
Aardcehteh: I've been comparing jollas design work to gnome fail for at least two years now :)14:53
cehtehanyway i wait for a working patch to reappear or a stable release, if its then not supported i fix it by myself14:54
kjetilhoyeah well, I think the Phone and SMS applications are awful examples of the "GNOME fail".  impossible to know which phone number you are dialling14:54
kjetilhoimpossible to know when the received SMS was sent.14:54
cehtehAard: its not that bad14:54
chem|stAard: and who listens to you?14:54
chem|st:P14:54
cehtehi mean gnome not only made gnome virtually unuseable14:54
Aardcehteh: several parts (and especially the homescreen rewrite) are a bad case of "we know better what's good for the user, and even hidden settings are not required"14:54
cehtehbut they dragged everything using gtk+ into the hole with them14:55
kjetilhohiding info by default is fine, as long as there is a way to access it.14:55
cehtehfirefox scrollbars, evince menus ...14:55
Aardchem|st: I haven't been jolla employee for a few months now14:55
Aardand I dropped responsibility for releases already last summer14:55
chem|stI know, but you have been while the screwed over the UI14:55
cehtehjolla has still a great usability feel and one can use it, but some more config options for the user would be nice14:55
chem|st+y14:55
cehtehits *much* better than gnome14:56
Aardchem|st: nope, the one with the UI rewrite was the first release I didn't do, was a combination of protesting the tablet fuckup, and the ui rewrite14:56
* kjetilho likes the new UI much better :)14:57
AardI'm still running 1.1.7, I can't stand the new homescreen. there are some elements in the ui which are nice, but the new homescreen sucks14:57
chem|sttwice they shoved "necessary for partnerscreen" up our a* and apart of one back-cover nothing uses it...14:57
chem|stAard: I know that, you know that, others don't14:57
chem|stAard: I want the N9 homescreen where I can choose between two tilesizes no matter if it is 5 open or 4...14:58
chem|stand gestures!14:58
Aardit'd have been trivial to do settings (even hidden settings, which need to be triggered by cli) to allow different layouts and configurable gestures15:00
Aardthe new gestures are quite ok for tablet, but don't work so well on the phone15:01
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chem|stAard: especially the buttons on covers... I stopped using cover-actions at all15:14
AardI'm still using cover actions ;)15:14
chem|styes you do... gmrl15:15
nodevelI'm still using them time to time, but nowhere close to the user experience of UI 1.x cover gestures. also many more accidental triggers15:15
nodevel*it's nowhere close15:16
Aardchem|st: before I left jolla I was working on home screen switching, that'd have allowed installing both old and new home screen (was for something else, but that'd have been a side effect). never finished it, though15:17
Aardcurrently wondering if I should continue with that, in case I even want to update15:17
chem|stmaybe I should grep my N900, at least I have working everything there... apart of FB-plugin but who needs that (fb blocking us from updating the plugin and blocking accounts for the same matter)15:20
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AardI stopped using FB after we had to drop the events feed integration of facebook (before public release of the phone)15:21
nodevelAard: re homescreen switching: sorry to intervene on a conversation, but speaking for myself, that would be amazing if possible. would be an effort worth contributing to, if the code was available15:22
SfietKonstantinWchem|st: I do like the button for covers15:24
SfietKonstantinWchem|st: especially for twitter clients15:24
chem|st?15:24
AardSfietKonstantinW: I don't really use twitter after we had to castrate the events feed anymore as well :p15:24
SfietKonstantinWAard: yeah I know15:25
SfietKonstantinWI'm still  dreaming of better events view integration15:25
SfietKonstantinW(and trying to hack something)15:25
chem|stsfos2.0UI feels very much a regression15:25
SfietKonstantinWbut atm, I'm happy with my twitter client15:25
nodeveli think that UI 2.0 should be nice on the tablet (have yet to see one), but it is a big regression on the phone indeed15:27
SfietKonstantinWI'm rather happy about what I have on phone :)15:28
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mornfallnodevel: dunno, I basically got used to it15:38
mornfallI'd probably find the sideways swipes for actions cumbersome now15:38
mornfallthe only thing that really bugs me is that the phone can't really be used one-handed (but it never quite could, so that's not that much of a regression)15:39
mornfallit probably works if you have big hands15:39
Nicd-people still complaining about 2.0 UI?15:40
mornfallshould have been called the rachmaninov phone or something :P15:40
Nicd-2.0 got my contact sync working again, but now my calendar sync is broken15:41
Nicd-so calendar is totally useless15:41
Nicd-always something :/15:41
Liekei'm content with the 2.0 ui, just still annoyed by the ambiance switcher blocking the swipe down gesture15:46
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TeguI have started to use ambience switcher because of that15:49
YanielI tend to lock the phone by swiping down and then pressing the power button15:49
Yanielbecause the swipe alone doesn't lock it :(15:50
Teguye..15:50
Yanielwhich makes the whole use total bs15:50
Teguhowever, at the same update they put the physical volume keys to control the ringtone volume <_<  as if I wanted to control it other than switching the ambience15:50
Yanielwell mute/unmute is useful15:51
Tegufor that I can switch the ambience15:51
Teguhave a silent ambience and normal15:51
YanielI only use one ambience anyway15:51
Yaniel*ever*15:51
TeguI used only one before the switcher became more accessible15:51
Tegunow I know directly if the phone is in silent mode or not as the colors are different15:52
Liekei only switch ambiance when i switch toh, and that happens automatically anyway15:52
Tegubut I have to be careful not to increase the ringtone volume when in silent ambience..15:53
Teguis there a way to disable that volume keys control the ringtone volume?15:55
mornfallTegu: yeah, that's kind ofa gotcha15:55
Tegumornfall: they even have the ambience called "Silent" by default but this kinda breaks it15:56
mornfallyes, that's what I use15:56
mornfalland yes, I hit the volume by accident all the time15:57
mornfallsucks15:57
Teguagree15:57
Teguand same here. must decrease it again. and when I want to control the volume, I have to go to some app that uses sound and only then I can control the normal (like music) volume..15:57
Teguwhen it's not playing15:58
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Tegufor example, if I want to make sure I don't have the sounds at maximum when I open something15:58
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phlixi_othis kind of a conceptual problem, since there are different things that have volumes, but only one volume rocker16:18
phlixi_olike, ringtone (e.g. i want that one to be ALWAYS SILENT) and alarms (e.g. i want them to be always super loud; dont ask^^) and "media volume while headphones connected" (e.g. playing music, podcast whatever) and "media volume while NO headphones are connected"16:20
phlixi_onow if you change something and keep something thats bad...16:20
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phlixi_oactually i like the android approach16:20
phlixi_owhich acpects that those are 4 different things, and visualizes that pretty well16:21
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the_mgtand there we are, using pulseaudio but the phone does not do what you want16:21
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phlixi_o...which accepts...16:22
phlixi_o..typing is difficult :D16:22
mornfallthe_mgt: how am I not surprised16:23
the_mgtI have to say, I am rather happy most of the time. sometimes I get a ringtone and do not know why, but most of the time it is silent and my pebble signals calls, etc16:24
mornfallwe also have systemd and it only took a reboot to get sshd to start16:24
the_mgtmornfall: we are simply holding it wrong16:25
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mornfallThe Silver Bullet (by LP) ... (fine print: only works for fanboys)16:29
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Liekeyou're obviously just a hater, poetterware is flawless!16:30
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newinhi all !18:17
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oidaHi, I think I have bricked my jolla, I'm stuck after bootlogo, and in recovery mode I'm unable to do a factory reset as mmcblk0p28 can only be mounted ro for some reason. Any ideas?18:54
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staplrHi there19:29
staplrI was wondering if there is a TEE on Jolla ?19:29
Nicd-a TEE? do you mean the command line program or what?19:30
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phlixi_trans europe express?19:30
Nicd-or trusted execution environment?19:30
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mdxth[nemo@Jolla ~]$ tee --version19:31
mdxthtee (GNU coreutils) 6.919:32
mdxthmy tablet says that :)19:32
staplrtrusted execution environment19:32
staplrsorry19:33
Nicd-afaik no19:33
staplrerf crap19:33
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phlixi_not that does halp in any way, but isnt the SIM a TEE?19:34
staplrno19:40
staplrthe SIM is rather considered as a secure element19:40
staplrit can store stuff securely19:41
staplrbut has no processing power19:41
phlixi_like keys, which are used for cimmunication^^19:41
staplror not much19:41
staplryes19:42
staplrlike keys19:42
staplrkeystore19:42
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tbrstaplr: the QC chip is certainly capable of it as Android uses widevine and such. I don't think it's used on the Jolla though. If it can be activated, I'm not sure.20:00
staplrthx tbr, i agree. TrustZone is shipped with ARM SoCs since a while now...20:04
tbralso it would probably need signed code and QC likes $$$ for every feature you use20:05
Aardstaplr: trust zone is pretty much useless to an enduser as key store (or anything trust). adding a separate module for key store makes a lot more sense20:07
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staplryeap. we are building an SDK for payment solutions.. and since whitebox cryptography becomes compromised due to DCA attacks... we are looking for other solutions..20:09
staplrwe don't want to store only keys20:09
tbrI think I'd put a secure element in a BLE module with an activation button. Easy enough to talk GATT on android AFAIU20:10
Aardstaplr: what do you need? for common public key stuff you don't need much bandwith, as you'd do most of the operation on the main os, and just have an intermediary key created and signed in the card20:10
Aardfor that even sim card is fast enough20:10
Aardif you can ship hardware to users, there are micro sd cards available with embedded secure element. I think currently there are 3 vendors of those20:11
staplrwell .. we cannot ship hw to endusers20:11
Aardin that case you don't really have a portable _secure_ way to do it20:12
staplrwe would like to protect shared secret keys20:12
staplrlike AES keys20:12
Aardnone of the current smartphone platforms can really do that out of the box20:12
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staplrok. this is my understanding as well20:13
AardI've looking into how to implement this for sailfishos last year before I left jolla, but after my initial experiments nothing more came out of it. there should be pcscd in the repos nowadays, which provides software storage via pkcs#11. which would be how you'd access a real secure module on sailfish as well, if it ever were implemented.20:15
Aardso you can play how it'd feel like if it were there :)20:15
Aardpkcsslotd, not pcscd. pcscd is there, too (and can be used on tablet, with some limits, to use usb secure modules)20:16
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