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pp_zebbiz_pi: figure out the url format and just mirror them with curl (maybe :P )06:51
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Timbo_coderus: i got it working finally!!08:13
Timbo_downloaded other factory image, new-jolla.img and it worked right away.08:15
Timbo_maybe that file i downloaded from your link got broken or smth08:15
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Timbo_But thank you for help.. :) and kimmoli too!08:21
phlixi_hmmm, someone wrote me a text "hey, delete this number, i am getting a new one, ill text you once i got it"08:24
phlixi_well, i did nothing08:24
phlixi_now i get "hi, this is my new number"08:25
phlixi_and i was a bit surprised, because its within the same comnversation, well, i checked thecontact and it has two numbers08:25
phlixi_any idea how i can check which numbers the messages came from? because, well, obviously one of the already saved numbers has to be the old one08:26
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kimmoliheh08:28
kimmolifrom sql...08:29
phlixi_i was afraid of that answer :D08:29
temmi_hoois it possibly from hangouts conversation?08:29
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phlixi_hang what?08:30
phlixi_:D08:30
phlixi_thats sms08:30
phlixi_no doubt about that08:30
temmi_hooeverlasting allseeing eye, the large letter between f and h on your kezbored08:31
phlixi_yeah, i also wanna hang google08:31
phlixi_just kidding, i know hangouts, well, have heard of it, i try to avoid google services08:32
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coderusTimbo_: new-jolla.img is mine, jolla.img you mentioned earlier is not mine.08:44
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chriadamfyi https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-components-webview08:53
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lainwir3do/09:29
chriadamhi09:29
Accechriadam: how is it different from the existing SilicaWebview? more complete functionality?09:38
chriadamAcce: SilicaWebView is based on QtWebKit's WebView09:40
chriadamSailfish.WebView is a thin wrapper around the Gecko (qmozembed) Mozilla rendering engine.09:40
chriadambasically, it should render things better, be more mobile-friendly.09:41
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Acceah, cool10:05
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lainwir3d_can't wait to get my jolla c10:49
lainwir3d_hope it'll be sent soon10:49
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Renaultlainwir3d_: me too :D11:39
lainwir3d_hey Renault !! Didn't know you were hanging out here :P11:43
Renaultsince the Jolla C second batch I watch IRC channels11:45
Renaultbecause my Jolla first one edition was stolen in February...11:46
lainwir3d_ouch11:46
lainwir3d_crap11:46
lainwir3d_bad luck11:46
lainwir3d_the guy probably isn't using it, since he doesn't know how it works lol11:46
Renaultyes, but it's ok now :)11:46
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Renaultprobably, I locked my phones with a code11:47
lainwir3d_hehe11:48
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Renaultso, you continue to use Fedora? :D11:50
r0kk3rzsomeone stole my jphone in BCN, and i saw him looking at it thinking "wtf is this?"11:50
r0kk3rzwhich is probably why he didnt resist giving it back11:50
RenaultBCN ?11:51
LarstiQBarcelona11:51
Renaultok11:51
tadziklol11:51
Renaultso my robber remove the battery too quicly to notice the system difference I think11:52
tadzikmaybe they were just after the battery11:53
tadzik"holy shit, I could get a spare battery for jolla from that"11:53
Stskeepstadzik: that might actually be more worth than the phone11:53
Stskeeps:P11:53
lainwir3d_:D11:53
lainwir3d_Renault: yeah, still using it. Still the best bleeding edge / stability / user-friendly value distibution out there.11:54
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Renaultyes, of course :) But you're less involve into the community, isn't you?11:56
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lainwir3d_true11:59
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ganHi13:06
gani need help13:08
gani am unable to reset my jolla mobile13:08
ganit asks for security code and reboots13:08
lainwir3d_call 11213:08
lainwir3d_:D13:08
lainwir3d_reset ? full reset ?13:08
ganand the corrupted os still remains13:08
gansettings->reset device13:09
ganoption13:09
gani also tried recovery mode, option 113:09
ganit runs for few seconds and i get /mnt@home read only error13:09
lainwir3d_what happens exactly in the corrupted os ?13:09
ganand telnet closes13:09
ganaahh... whatsapp corrupted, android apps corrupted13:10
ganissue with app registry13:10
gantried fixing it but it didnt work13:10
gannow, even calls and sms are not going13:10
ganpeople shows empty13:10
ganmessages show empty13:10
ganpls help me fix this issue13:12
gani am going crazy without my phone13:12
gani have most of the data backup13:13
gannow i just wanna reset my OS13:13
Yanielbtrfs exploded?13:13
gandont know what it means13:13
gantried btrfs command in srecovery shell13:13
Yaniel(seriously, btrfs has probably been the best tool for planned obsolescence I've seen to date :D )13:13
ganbut command not found13:13
lainwir3d_:D13:13
lainwir3d_might sounds like btrfs13:14
Yanielbtrfs - the filesystem used on the jolla - is rather buggy in the version on the phone13:14
RenaultYaniel: but btrfs was improved since the version used by SailfishOS13:14
Stskeepsthat's also what we said when we started with btrfs13:14
Stskeepsthat it was much improved in the kernel version we chose13:14
Stskeeps:P13:14
lainwir3d_:D13:14
Yanielmight be, might not be, I haven't used it anywhere else13:14
lainwir3d_I hope Jolla C is using lvm+ext413:15
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Stskeepsit is13:15
Yanielas is the tablet, no?13:15
lainwir3d_well, won't be too sad if not, I can manage btrfs trouble myself13:15
RenaultUse real distros like Fedora or OpenSuse to see it in another conditions :)13:15
lainwir3d_nice13:15
lainwir3d_the tablet is, that's for sure13:15
lainwir3d_Renault: using it at home + work on fedora 2413:15
lainwir3d_well, difficult to compare, I don't have only a 16GB hd13:16
YanielI don't think anyone at Jolla wants to subject themselves to fixing/backporting btrfs stuff any longer than necessary :P13:16
lainwir3d_the problems on the phone comes mainly because of space available13:16
ganguys, please help me13:17
ganwhat to do to reset my device13:17
Renaultyes, it's true, to avoid that I used SD cards (my previous Jolla stocks only some data on the phone but the space left is big)13:17
ganinfact phone memory is 6.2 GB used out of 13 o13:17
Yanielthat is probably a lie13:17
lainwir3d_gan: what command gave you that result ?13:17
ganmemory app13:18
Renaultbtrfs can't send correct infos about size memory left13:18
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lainwir3d_gan: try => btrfs fi show13:19
gancould not open /dev/mmcblk0p2813:21
ganbrtfs v3.1613:21
ganok i logged in root13:22
ganerror: unable to get label inappropriate ioctl for device13:22
ganlabel: 'sailfish' uuid: some registry key like data...13:23
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gantotal devices 1 FS bytes used 5.54 GiB13:23
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gandevid 1 size 13.75 GiB used 13.75 GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p2813:23
Yanielwell, that's your problem13:24
ganwhat is the problem?13:24
Yanielyour memory is full13:24
lainwir3d_full btrfs filesystem13:24
ganbut i deleted many data13:24
lainwir3d_have to run a balance13:24
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Yanielbtrfs metadata happily takes the freed space :P13:25
ganwhat to do now13:25
ganhope i havent done anything worse13:25
ganyet13:25
Renaultanother bug about the space left calculation :)13:25
gan5.54 Gb is used right/13:26
gan?13:26
ganok tell me what to do now13:26
Yanielyour files use 5.45GB13:27
lainwir3d_btrfs-balancer balance13:27
Yanielbut the filesystem stores metadata about the files and itself13:27
Yanielwhich, on the Jolla tends to explode13:27
ganis that the full command?13:27
ganbtrfs-balancer balance13:27
ganpls confirm , so i can do it right away13:27
lainwir3d_yep, but please, plug your phone to a power source, and consider it might take a VERY LONG time, and interrupting it might not work out so well.13:28
lainwir3d_and that, considering what you said, it might be too late13:29
lainwir3d_but well, won't make things worse I guess13:29
lainwir3d_is your sailfish version uptodate13:29
lainwir3d_?13:29
tadzikor btrfs lies to df13:30
tadzikdf lies13:30
tadzikit's awful13:30
ganok i am in office. better to do it at home i think13:31
ganthen13:31
ganhow long it takes generally13:32
ganbattery at 88%13:32
ganbut battery drains faster13:32
YanielAnywhere between 5 minutes and several days afaik13:32
ganwill this fix the issue? so i can later do a reset?13:32
ganseveral days oooooh13:32
gangosh13:32
lainwir3d_told you haha13:32
YanielFixing the issue is what rebalancing is for13:33
lainwir3d_but if your files really use "only" 5~6GB, it shouldn't be too long13:33
YanielBut it might fail13:33
ganworse case if it fails then?13:33
lainwir3d_what's sure, is that you probably can't reset the device until this issue is solved13:33
YanielIf it fails and you can still boot the device to retry then not much worse13:34
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YanielIf it fails more then you need to reflash the device I think13:34
lainwir3d_yeah13:34
lainwir3d_restore a system image, or something like that13:34
YanielOr rather, send it to care for reflashing13:34
ganhttp://www.htheb.com/list/index.php?dir=jolla%2Ffactoryimage%2F13:34
gani downloaded this factory image13:35
ganand kept it in pc13:35
lainwir3d_probably involving lots of coffee, and velociraptors.13:35
ganu mean to say if btrfs issue is not fixed, i cant flash using the image too?13:35
lainwir3d_no, that will be fine13:35
lainwir3d_is btrfs issue is not fixed, you won't be able to use the reset function I guess, but that's different from reflashing13:36
ganwhats the difference reset and reflashing13:36
lainwir3d_this is very theoric, I haven't had to do anything like this yet.13:36
ganbetween13:36
ganwhat do you recommend guys13:36
gan??13:36
lainwir3d_I usually guess very early when btrfs is starting to be a bad cowboy, so I do a preventive balance13:37
lainwir3d_gan: I recommend do the btrfs balance, then try again the btrfs fi show13:37
ganas u run btrfs-balancer balance every now and then to avoid this issue???13:37
lainwir3d_if it shows free space13:37
lainwir3d_try to reset the device13:37
lainwir3d_reflash the device as a last resort13:37
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lainwir3d_gan: if your sailfish device is up-to-date, it should run from time to time by itself13:38
lainwir3d_just ensure you don't fill up the filesystem with too much data13:38
lainwir3d_but well, running yourself btrfs balancing from time to time isn't a bad idea13:38
lainwir3d_especially if you notice your device is starting to act weird13:39
ganhmm ok.13:39
ganyes its uptodate13:39
gantaalojarvi13:41
ganis there any drawback from reflashing13:41
gancompared to reset13:41
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lainwir3d_not really if you're sure of the image source13:42
lainwir3d_it's just more complicated usually13:42
ganhmm13:43
ganok i will try this btrfs today13:43
ganand lets see.13:43
ganthanks for your help13:43
lainwir3d_no pb13:43
lainwir3d_:)13:43
ganalso my display is kinda having an issue13:44
gani can see some brown patch underneath the lcs screen below the volume key on the right13:44
ganany of you guys here ordered the turing phone?? I missed it :-(13:45
ganLCD*13:46
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r0kk3rzheh i wouldnt go ordering that one just yet13:53
r0kk3rzgetting an off the shelf phone and then a replacement at sometime in the future with the real device? yeah no thanks13:54
Yaniellet's see if it has become reality in 3 or so years when I'm planning to switch phones next time13:54
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ganreplacement is free for ofcourse!!!14:20
gannot a bad thing isnt it14:20
gan?14:20
Yanielassuming you ever get it...14:20
r0kk3rzits setting off my Scam-O-Meter, but maybe you'rs is calibrated differently14:21
gandidnt you read the news on turing phone... its shipping on july 12th.....14:23
ganif they do ship....i wud feel really bad for missing it :-(14:24
r0kk3rzthats not the TuringPhoneTM though, thats 'off the shelf placeholder'14:24
gangiven that my jolla is almost fried now with OS issues and LCD problems...14:24
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ganGuys,14:54
ganmy jolla developed memory issue just few days after i enabled backup chat history in google drive in whatsapp14:54
gancould that have caused my btrfs to become full?14:55
YanielIt tends to fill during normal usage14:56
ganhow can i avoid this issue in future?14:56
ganafter last reset, i made it a point to monitor my phone memory and i never exceeded 7 GB out of 13 GB....only now i realised that it is not what it seems14:57
gandespite memory showing 6 GB used out of 13 GB... my btrfs is full14:57
YanielRebalance occasionally14:58
YanielThe phone should do it every Tuesday around 3am if it is plugged in at that time14:58
gansure14:58
YanielAutomatically that is14:58
gani almost keep it plugged daily at night14:58
gani wonder why it occurred14:59
YanielNo idea14:59
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phlixi_o[2016-07-07 16:58:24] <Yaniel> The phone should do it every Tuesday around 3am if it is plugged in at that time <<<- is that for real, or a joke?15:00
ganlol @ phlixi15:00
phlixi_oand if real, what timezone? local? or UTC15:00
ganahh good catch time zone15:00
LarstiQthere is but one timezone15:01
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YanielIIRC it was announced 1.5 years ago15:02
YanielAutomatic rebalances for everyone*15:02
Yaniel*conditions apply15:02
phlixi_oi thought it does that before every system update (not since the beginning, but for the last versions and in future)15:03
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YanielThat too15:04
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ganhi19:28
gani ran btrfs-balancer balance19:28
ganin my jolla19:28
ganand space now 8.25 GB available19:28
gani restarted ....i was able to see contacts and messages....which wasnt working earlier19:29
ganthen clicked rebuild app registry.....19:29
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ganand now my jolla is not starting19:29
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ganeven after pressing power button nothing happens...no vibration or LED blinks19:30
ganpls help19:30
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gananyone there19:38
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