#jollamobile log for Friday, 2016-07-08

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nanderHi guys. I think I'm starting to like my jolla again00:23
nanderI hated it passionately for a couple of months now00:23
nanderBut I just realised I've been trying to use it the wrong way00:24
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nanderAfter I rebalanced the btrfs it actually started to speed up again00:24
nanderAnd for the fun of it I started running a django server on it through the development mode00:25
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nanderWhich is something I never expected it to be able to do00:25
nanderI hated the MTP, but today I realised I could just use sshfs instead00:25
nanderWhich is the most stable way I've ever transferred files to a mobile00:25
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ganhi03:37
ganmy jolla is not starting when i press power button03:37
ganplease help03:37
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Stskeepsput it in charger?03:42
ganyesterday i ran btrfs-balancer03:43
ganit cleaned memory....and afterwards i ran app registry rebuild03:44
ganthen after a while the  led notification light blinked in green and red few times i think and switched off. then when i tried switching it on, nothing happened. no light or vibration too.03:45
ganbut i am sure battery is pretty much 90% or so...03:45
ganand also put it in charger throughout the night03:45
ganto try in morning.03:45
gannothing happened still03:45
gani also tried starting in recovery mode03:45
ganno use03:45
ganplease help03:46
Stskeepsgan: recovery mode should work for most parts, check if it brings up a usb network interface, see https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/20470960703:47
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ganit does not work03:51
gani already tried...pressing volume down key and power button03:51
gan:-(03:51
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Stskeepsit shows jolla logo?03:55
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ganthere is no logo04:23
ganin screen04:23
ganits blank04:23
ganno vibration04:23
ganalso i tried with another battery which is working in my friends mobile jolla04:23
ganit doesnt start04:23
Stskeepswhat did you do..04:24
gani ran btrfs and cleared memory04:24
ganit was fine for a while.04:25
ganthen i ran app registry rebuild04:25
ganand thats it04:25
ganit switched off...from then this issue04:25
Stskeepsokay, then take out usb cable, pull battery, hold down volume button down while putting in the battery again, and press power button while still holding down volume button down04:27
Stskeepsit will show a jolla logo04:27
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ganthat doesnt work either04:32
gani already tried recovery mode several times04:32
ganno vibration04:32
Stskeepsthat's not good04:34
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ganany solution for that?05:20
Stskeepsif you can't get into recovery mode you should try fastboot mode05:20
ganhow05:25
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r0kk3rzgan: theres instructions on the zendesk07:45
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ganwhere ?07:54
ganr0kk3rz:07:54
gancan u send me the link07:54
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r0kk3rzmy bad, not zendesk, merwiki https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Sailfish/Backup_Device08:02
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SfietKonstantinWr0kk3rz: out of curiosity08:22
SfietKonstantinWhow are the qualcomm blobs handled ?08:22
SfietKonstantinWare they rediustrubuted ?08:22
r0kk3rzafaik you have to split and reassemble the bootimg...08:24
SfietKonstantinWok08:24
SfietKonstantinWI see a ready to download boot.img08:24
SfietKonstantinWthtt's why08:24
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ganhi11:49
ganeveryone11:50
ganguys i need your help11:50
ganmy jolla phone does not start after pressing start button11:50
ganlainwir3d: are you there?11:50
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Milo-gan https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/?sort=votes&page=1 this did not work?11:58
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ganhi13:02
gancan anyone help me to fix my mobile13:02
ganmy phone doesnt start13:02
ganno vibration or LED13:02
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Renaultgan: can you answer to Milo- question?13:22
Renaultthis question: Milo-gan https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-computer-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/?sort=votes&page=1 this did not work?13:22
ganno it didnt work13:22
gani could not go into recovery mode13:22
ganthe phone just dont respond13:23
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ursas a physicist, my first intuition would be to measure if the battery actually provides any voltage.13:28
ganbattery is not an issue13:30
ganas i also tried starting with my friend's jolla phone battery13:30
ganit didnt respond13:30
ganhis phone was working fine13:30
ursHmkay. Then it could be... any other sort of electrical fault, or a firmware bit flipped.13:32
tillI would give him some hours without battery and then try again13:32
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ganohh13:34
tbrthere are ways to check, but you need to go through them carefully and diligently. #exactsteps so to say13:34
ganplease tell the exact steps13:34
gani will follow it please....13:34
tbrwhat is the OS running on your computer?13:34
ganif i cant get this phone working, then my TOHKBD will go waste....its brand new!!!!!13:34
ganprobably put it on sale here13:34
ganhardly used few times...13:35
ganmy computer ?? windows 713:35
gantill: i will remove the battery as you say for few hours....and try again13:35
YanielWhat did you do before it stopped working?13:35
tbrmeh, windows...13:36
tillbut don't mix different attempts, finish one before you try the next one13:36
gan[18:58] <gan> also to give a background, my phone has the latest OS version...and few days it was too slow, android apps didnt work, also my contacts and messages were not working...then i ran btrfs-balancer to clear the memory....13:37
tbrmaybe someone in here knows how to properly walk through testing out fastboot13:37
ganyesterday i got back the phone and message app working... then i ran registry app rebuild13:37
ganand it asked for security code and got switched off. afterwards i was unable to start the phone13:37
ganthats it.13:38
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gani removed battery now, will put again after few hours13:42
ganif it doesnt work still, what next?13:42
gananyone wants a brand new TOHKBD black carbon fiber finish? just used few times to test it after purchase.13:43
YanielYou didn't run the btrfs balance like you were told to?13:43
gani did Yaniel....13:43
gani ran the btrfs successfully and it finished 100%. then i ran btrfs fi show and it displayed 8.25 Gib used compared to earlier 13.5 Gib13:44
ganthats when the apps started working actually...like contacts and messages....but afterwards, i just ran the app registry rebuild....and after which, the phone refused to start....13:44
gani am baffled by that13:44
gani was so confident that if the OS has issues, atleast i can do reset my device now that memory issue is solved......13:45
ganbut didnt expect the phone to die on me13:45
tilldid you restart the phone between the btrfs balance and the app registry rebuild?13:46
ganyes i did13:46
ganthats when the contacts and messages became visible13:46
tillwithout any issues?13:46
ganand the UI seemed to be fine13:46
IngvixWhat music player would you recommend? Are there better ones than the jolla's own?13:47
ganyes13:48
ganit took a lot of time to reboot after btrfs but everything seemed to be working again......13:48
tillokay, have you read!! and tried https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- ?13:49
ganyes many times...13:49
tilland you get no vibration, no led and no screen reaction?13:50
ganno :(13:50
ganbefore running btrfs , i was able to go into recovery mode many times.....but i was unable to reset it13:51
gandue to memory issues13:51
gani wish i can get the phone to start again....13:51
ganso i can reset it atleast....13:51
ganjolla is my 4th phone in 16 years of my mobile usage..... nokia 8210, nokia 6680, N900, and Jolla......13:52
ganEven N900 died on me like this and i was unable to start it13:53
tillso it might be a hardware issue, if there is no response.. maybe some fuses or some uncleared caches... I would try the leave it without battery for some hours and then try again, as I said before...13:53
ganand now Jolla has the same fate i guess13:53
tillI had to reflash mine some months ago, but I was able to enter rescue mode at least13:53
ganok i will check that, hope it works out...13:54
ganyes i resetted mine few months back,...13:54
tillif that does not work, maybe you can leave a charger connected for some time...13:54
tillbut that's all voodoo ;)13:54
ganwith battery or without  battery?13:54
tillmaybe try both13:54
gani dont have a choice but to believe in voodoo now13:55
ganyes last night i had the charger connected to it overnight with battery, nothing worked13:55
gantoday morning13:55
gani will do that. hope it wont do more damage13:55
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tillmy brother had a lg android phone which died out of nothing, maybe it got to hot or so13:56
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Renaultsometimes a device should have hardware trouble without reasons13:57
ganthat sucks13:57
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Renaultit happens in electronic industry (that my case)13:57
ganwish i had ordered for turing phone or jolla c atleast13:57
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gani bought jolla for twice the money from finland when it launched..... price was almost half of it when it was launched in india....13:58
ganatleast if intex sailfish is released now, i would not bother much about this.....13:58
gannow i dont have a choice but to go for android phone if jolla doesnt work13:58
tillI was just about to say that13:58
tillcan't you get an aqua fish soon?13:58
ganaquafish is not launched yet isnt it13:59
Renaultgan: you are in India? What do you think about Tizen devices?13:59
ganit was supposed to come in april..now no news on that13:59
gantizen is not popular here.....13:59
ganjust i see one samsung model with tizen OS here.... indian market is flooded with android crap from china14:00
ganinfact i was thinking to get one lol yesterday......14:00
RenaultSamsung announced 3 millions devices saled (with bangladesh too), it's few for India market I think but much than all Jolla devices around the world14:00
ganyes.... this xiaomi and Le co phones are selling like hot cakes in few seconds after launch online14:01
ganits difficult to get them14:01
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ganRenault where are you from?14:01
RenaultFrance14:02
gani am too scared to go to old age now14:02
gancant use android for god sake14:02
gani have been maemo / sailfish user for 7 years14:02
tilli'm glad I have my n8 as backup phone14:02
gani have a C7....but screen is too small.....14:03
tillmine ist just slow as hell14:04
gani wish my N900 was working atleast..... i have been trying to get it repaired two years back...but no hardware parts14:04
ganavailable14:04
Renaultgan: I had a N900 too :)14:05
ganwhat happened now14:06
Renaultbut it's difficult to get a Tizen phone in India? Oh :(14:07
ganno its available14:07
gani think only from samsung  i guess14:08
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ganhttp://www.snapdeal.com/search?keyword=tizen&santizedKeyword=&catId=&categoryId=0&suggested=false&vertical=&noOfResults=48&searchState=&clickSrc=go_header&lastKeyword=&prodCatId=&changeBackToAll=false&foundInAll=false&categoryIdSearched=&cityPageUrl=&categoryUrl=&url=&utmContent=&dealDetail=&sort=rlvncy14:08
RenaultI would be interested, but no plan for Europe14:09
ganur not happy with sailfish?14:09
RenaultTo test :)14:09
ganoh ok14:09
Jopegan, I have a cib n900 for sale :-)14:10
ganwhat is cib14:10
Jopecomplete in box14:10
Renaultand now I ordered a Jolla C, before that, I'm without SailfishOS device, and Firefox OS is finished (and the ZTE Open C has very bad spec)  :(14:11
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phlixi_ogan where are you? india?14:12
RenaultJope: how many and where are you shipping?14:12
Jopejust one, finland14:12
Renaulthow many price instead :P14:12
ganyes phlixi_o india14:12
Jopethe device is used but all the accessories are there, most are untouched.. only the battery is used.14:13
ganthats nice Jope14:13
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ganwhat price14:13
Jopeuh, 150e / make me an offer?14:13
JopeI haven't really thought about it very much14:13
phlixi_ogan: interested in my old n900? heavily used for the time it was new until n9 launched (actually a few months longer) but nothing broken...14:13
JopeI won't get offended by any offer so feel free to send a price14:14
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RenaultI think N900 was the best device ever (for me), but spec are very poor :( After two years, I couldn't listen music and browse on the Web at the same time14:16
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gantoo costly for me Jope  :)14:17
Jopewhat is a reasonable price to you?14:18
ganthere are few available for 100 USD and less in india14:18
ganhow much phlixi_o ?14:18
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phlixi_oi have no idea :D14:18
ganjust curious14:18
ganwhere are you from14:19
ganphlixi_o:14:19
phlixi_ojust checked, shipping might be 16eur from here (germany) to india14:19
gananyone wants my TOHKBD?14:19
ganbrand new hardly used twice for testing purpose14:20
ganblack carbon fibre finish14:20
Jopegan, so still waiting for your counter offer :-)14:20
ganhehehe Jope14:20
gani am looking to find a sailfish device for now14:20
Renaultgan: you can swap the keyboard with a new N900 :D14:20
Jope:-)14:20
gan:-)14:20
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gani want cash for that, just incase i need to send my jolla to care for repair14:21
Renaultanyone with the jolla C here?14:21
ganjolla C has already been shipped?14:21
gani am thinking Jolla C will be same as intex aquafish14:21
ganGod, wont they launch it sooner14:22
gan?14:22
phlixi_osome people got their jolla c (around) last week when they visited jolla in person14:22
phlixi_oothers will get it soon i guess14:22
Renaultthe Jolla C could be got by some people invited in Helsink event14:22
Renaultand I'm curious about the cover14:23
* kimmoli hides my jollaC14:26
gankimmoli: :-P14:27
ganoh cool14:29
ganany idea when aquafish will be launched?14:29
gani didnt sign up for jolla c as aquafish will be priced lower than that in india14:29
ganthats what happened with jolla when it was launched in india...almost half the price.....14:29
gan:-(14:29
ganif i had just waited for two months , i would have got it for half price and with 4 TOH's........14:30
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gani just got white and orange from finland14:30
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* ballock has a JollaC14:38
ballockgan: I heard some rumours that Intex will get released soon™14:38
Renaultahah14:39
Renaultballock: how is the famous cover?14:39
ballockRenault: the one with "Limited Edition" on top?14:39
ballockwell, it's red.14:39
ballockI need an olive green with a flip case14:40
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Renaultno, the "protective plastic cover on the screen"14:40
ballockRenault: I don't think I am up to date with that14:41
ballocklike the foil?14:41
kimmolino, don't get that conversation here .. https://media.giphy.com/media/UK9VbxLFOAezK/giphy.gif14:43
Renaultwhy?14:43
ballockgan: you can also try the rice bucket challenge for Jolla114:44
Renaultwhat is it?14:45
ballockyou put the phone to a bucket filled with rice, it absorbs humidity14:45
ballocka jar might be enough, but "rice bucket challenge" sounds better ;)14:46
Renaultah ok, I see, but I don't see the link with his problem14:46
ballockRenault: The problem seems unrelated to the things gan did on the phone, recovery should be available even if btrfs is corrupt14:48
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ballockso the random phone blackout might be something that came from "thin air", or actually from humidity, moisture, whatever.14:48
Renaultok14:49
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ballockgan: Just make sure the rice you use is not boiled :p14:50
IngvixA shame that the new pokemon go is not compatible with jolla14:52
r0kk3rzballock: btrfs isnt the bottom layer though, if the EMMC has issues? yeah maybe borked14:52
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ballockr0kk3rz: if the emmc0 device is borked, then all the partitions, including the recovery one are not available.14:53
r0kk3rzobviously14:54
ballockAnd it's not so easy to just hand-replace the flash chip.14:54
ballockIf only it was so easy... I'd replace my 1gb of ram chip in Jolla1 with a 2gb chip. My Jolla1 has reached its state-of-art, best thing out there, also thanks to the TOHKBD. If only I could just put 2gb of ram in it...14:56
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ganballock: my friend suggested the same rice bucket thing today.....15:13
gansure i will try this tonight15:13
ganshould i remove the battery and keep the cover closed when i put in rice?15:14
ganand leave the back cover open?15:14
kimmoliyep, battery off, toh off15:15
gani think i should try this with my N900 too.15:15
gantoh off means no back cover?15:16
ganso it absorbs the moisture better?15:16
kimmolirice so that it is fully surrounded, and in closed container15:16
ganis that right?15:16
kimmoliyeah, no need to take it more apart15:16
ganhope the rice wont enter the board15:16
r0kk3rzhow dusty if your rice?15:17
r0kk3rz*is15:17
ganhehe15:17
gannot sure, there may be some micro particles15:17
gani guess15:17
gananyway i will do that15:17
ganhavent touched my N900 in 2 yrs15:18
r0kk3rzyou can also do things like put the rice in a sock or stocking15:18
ganafter i gave for repair15:18
r0kk3rzimmersing the device in rice isnt really required15:18
ganthey were unable to repair it , but they did tell me the board got damaged in moisture15:18
gansomething like that15:18
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ganbut it was just lying in the cupboard15:20
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lolekhello everybody, it's been a while since II've asked about this  so I'd like to refresh my question, does sailfish finally support full phone encryption?19:46
lolekr0kk3rz, tbr: last time we've had a conversation about this so I hope you'll have some some knowledge about it19:49
r0kk3rzlolek: nope20:04
lolek:(20:04
lolekwill it ever be there?20:04
r0kk3rzmaybe? its not impossible20:04
r0kk3rznewer devices are lvm+ext4 after all20:05
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lolekr0kk3rz: yeah but as you remember, I don't want to fiddle with it. I'd prefer to have a switch in the system prefs and that's it20:10
r0kk3rzyeah thats not currently possible20:11
lolekwell then I'll ask again after some time20:17
lolekmy z10 is having problems with never webpages so I'm thinking about moving from it, but the problem is that it seems there's nothing to pick up from :(20:17
tbrI would be surprised if that would be a development priority at this point20:18
r0kk3rzimo its only useful if applied on a mass scale, as for most individuals an encrypted fs will never be tested20:21
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