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tortoisedochey ho09:39
tortoisedocis martin schüle here by chance?09:39
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Hellehrm, meh, filesystem nearly full and I need to go dig around where it has been storing stuff that is filling it up11:38
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Hellealthough, huh11:42
Hellea quick look doesn't show anything11:42
Hellethis will be "fun"11:43
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Joonaa_Hey, is there a limit to the amount of songs tracker can index?12:33
Stskeeps2^32-1?12:35
Stskeeps:P12:35
Joonaa_hmm... why would it not index all the songs on my phone then?12:35
Joonaa_or alternatively, does the media player have limits?12:36
Yanielit *should* index everything12:37
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Joonaa_hrm :/ any alternative players that dont use the tracker?12:39
Yanielquasarmx12:39
StskeepsJoonaa_: it usually indexes everything but it's prone to crashes12:39
Joonaa_yeah i got it to index exactly 5588 songs twice now12:40
Yaniel(which, ironically, also crashed routinely on me when scanning folders)12:40
Joonaa_but there should be more12:40
Yanielbut that seems to have been fixed12:40
Yaniel5.6k? nice12:40
YanielI "only" have 1.4k12:40
Joonaa_ill try quasarmx12:41
Joonaa_thanks12:41
FireFlyAny other differences? different file formats for files scanned/not scanned?12:42
Joonaa_no, all opus12:42
FireFlyAssuming it indexes the same 5588 songs each time12:42
FireFlyHmm12:42
* FireFly dunno12:42
Joonaa_it also doesnt read the song name tags, but albums and artists work ok-ish12:42
Joonaa_ok-ish as in, at least some of them work12:43
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Joonaa_hmm, does quasar scan for opus files?12:50
Joonaa_dont think it does12:55
Yanielhmm?12:55
YanielI'd expect it to12:55
Joonaa_it only found mp3s for me12:56
Yanieloh it doesn't list it on the webpage12:56
Yanielworks fine for me with mp3, m4a and flac12:56
Yanieland at one point I had some ogg files which worked too12:56
YanielI guess it's time to bug the dev about opus support then :P12:57
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VenemoJoonaa_: I believe you should file a bug report on together if you have issues with it13:26
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Joonaa_once im home ill do that13:32
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sqozzlike somebody whould care on together15:59
sqozzmaybe the alienvm can handle it after the next update but sailfish is somewhat froozen on progress while android gets so much attention16:01
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sakustarwell17:53
sakustarpokemon go should be first priority17:53
sakustaralbeit keeping the jolla for some battery life is nice17:54
sakustaronce you get lost deep inside the woods chasing them pokeymans you can call for help :-)17:55
tbrI would not recommend trying pokemon go on aliendalvik unless your account is a throwaway17:57
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tbringress, essentially the same platform banned pretty much everyone who played ingress on sailfish17:58
tbrseems it triggered their anti-cheating stuff17:58
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japa-fiIs there a way to undo latest system update? I can't select any personal ringtones, the phone lost them and can't find any. Also "callrec" (call recorder) doesn't work any more.19:10
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M-schmittlauchjapa-fi In general the only option to undo the update is a factory reset and then installing multiple old updates again, until you're at the version you want. There is no direct way back.19:23
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japa-fiM-schmittlauch, Darn, just what i feared for.19:27
japa-fiIsn't factory reset pretty much the same wiping everything? Ie. it also gets rid of installed apps and app data?19:27
Yanielyes19:28
M-schmittlauchYes, it is. App data is mostly stored in ~/.local/share/19:28
M-schmittlauchsometimes also ~/.config19:28
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Ingvixwhat android api version jolla phone has?21:13
IngvixI'm not sure if api was the right word here21:14
Dotti_4.1 I think21:15
Nicd-4.421:16
IngvixNicd-, you sure?21:16
Nicd-hm, it might have been 4.4 on the tablet only21:19
IngvixYes, I think phone has 4.1 and tablet 4.4 and C got even later21:20
Ingvixnot sure what21:20
Ingvixthough I'm not entirely sure but I think it was something like that21:21
Ingvixhttps://together.jolla.com/question/76658/current-android-version/21:25
Ingvix4.1.2 it seems21:25
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Ingvixis api something that also needs compatible hardware or would it be just programmically theoreticly possible to update the android api in sailfish21:28
Ingvixin jolla phone21:30
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M-schmittlauchIngvix: Usually newer Android versions also need newer kernels. Every Android version has it's recommended Linux kernel version. I wouldn't say it's impossible, but being stuck on kernel 3.4 forever makes things quite complicated21:33
M-schmittlauchBtw, Android OS version and API version aren't necessarily the same. The Jolla phone's dalvik is derived from an Android 4.1.2 and supports the API level 1621:35
Ingvixoh21:35
Ingvixthanks21:35
IngvixI'm still a bit lost with these terms so it kernel like the device's base code through which the os communicates with the hardware?21:40
Ingvixor is kernel a piece of hardware its self?21:40
RenaultIngvix: the kernel (named Linux) is piece of software21:42
Ingvixokay21:43
r0kk3rzIngvix: your first description is pretty close, its not the devices base code but it is a core poart of the operating system which governs hardware use21:49
Ingvixokay, nice to know21:50
M-schmittlauchThe problem about the kernel here is that it's the basic part of software that communicates with the hardware. To do it properly it needs "drivers". Hardware manufacturers often provide their proprietary drivers only for exactly one kernel version, in this case 3.4. That's why the kernel can't be updated to a newer version21:57
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r0kk3rzthese days a lot of it might be covered under open drivers22:02
r0kk3rzbut certainly jolla wont be working on anything like that22:03
M-schmittlauchr0kk3rz: Open drivers would be great, sadly I don't see that in the near future.22:04
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r0kk3rzM-schmittlauch: its one of those things we would have to investigate ourselves22:08
M-schmittlauchr0kk3rz: You remeber the vivaldi tablet? Open drivers can quickly break due to hw changes. And small communities mean nothing to those manufacturers constantly ignoring the GPL22:09
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