#jollamobile log for Monday, 2016-07-18

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SQUelcherJolla is doing everything wrong.. again.. This time they shipped the Jolla C directly from Hong Kong to me, of course they collected vat already, as it has be in the EU.. But as they shipped from outside of the EU, it seems i have to pay the vat again on the whole sum. :/04:07
ppwith the tablet it was enough to pay once, DHL or whatnot wanted to know my SSN to do the formalities04:13
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suosaaskiWhy am I not surprised04:29
suosaaskiAaaanyway... I might even want to try to test that Jolla C thing. If someone was to trade theirs for my LG G3 :)04:29
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StskeepsSQUelcher: TNT?04:47
taaemr0kk3rz: in .de04:53
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LarstiQSQUelcher: where is the shipping destination?06:19
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LarstiQtaaem: don't know about .fi specifically, but I do know that the couriers have gotten very strict with declared values/VAT/what did the customer pay06:22
LarstiQtaaem: ah, .de sorry06:23
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StskeepsSQUelcher: contact zendesk06:29
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sledgesSQUelcher: is that VAT or customs duty tax?06:47
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TMavicaSQUelcher: truely. Dont know why all my fd got it in Hong Kong, but not me, reason I not in first branch07:39
TMavicaWhy dont just ship all Hong Kong device locally07:40
TMavicaReally funny07:40
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LarstiQTMavica: simply because we haven't yet shipped everything that was in the May 26th batch07:42
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kimmoliTMavica: patience. i know it is not strong in you, but still... :)07:48
kimmoliTMavica: and you have now good time to prepare the sample app07:48
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TMavicakimmoli: yes. I am preparing07:58
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TMavicaLarstiQ: Ha? You mean I ordered after HKT 12:00am, so I am in 26?08:00
TMavicaI ordered at 26/5, 22:xx HKT, that day is not first day order? There is 25?08:03
LarstiQTMavica: you are in the first batch of people who ordered, and will be in the next shipment going out08:03
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TMavicaThe device all in Kwun Tong? or Mini Warehouse that all device is fired? Lol08:08
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TMavicaLarstiQ: As now, I am busying have aircraft A350 licence lesson in TKO, from monday to Fri, I dont know when I can come get the device08:13
sledgesTMavica: cool! maybe there's an airfield nearby? :)08:14
TMavicasledges: Not pilot...is Engineering Licence08:14
sledgespilots don't do much these days do they though.. :)08:15
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TMavicaLesson period Mon to Fri 8:00 - 1700, Jolla office period 9:00 - 1700, I dont know how I go now08:16
TMavicaLast week is most free08:17
TMavicaJolla played me08:17
sledgesLarstiQ: yep, there's a prehistory that TMavica wanted to pick the device straight from HK office08:17
sledgesTMavica: but have you spoken to anyone about that?08:18
TMavicaLeave it, change address is nil help, nobody at home in daytime08:20
TMavicaLet JollaHK wait me this time08:20
TMavicasledges: Only HongKongers08:21
TMavicaBut this is not a secret now08:21
LarstiQsledges: yeah his device will go to the HK office08:21
TMavicaBecause nobody know what fuxk is Jolla in HK08:21
TMavicaNobody care08:21
sledgesalrighty, TMavica: then just go for a beer with any of our HK sailors after work:)08:22
sledgesas you did with us in London ;)08:22
TMavicaThey played me. Now i cant go08:22
TMavicaLast week is most perfect08:22
TMavicaI just start my licence lesson08:23
sledgesnobody's deliberately playing anyone up08:23
TMavicaAnd then on job trainning something like that08:23
TMavicaOnly way, I need call sick and go pick the device08:24
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TMavicasledges: I never go hk office except Helsinki and Tempere one, funny08:25
sledgesmaybe it's top-secret classified :D08:25
TMavicaWait they call and see what I can do08:26
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lainwir3do/09:17
lainwir3dmy Jolla C has been sent, I should have it by tomorrow, or wednesday maximum09:17
lainwir3d\o/09:17
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r0kk3rzmines made it to belgium so far09:20
lainwir3dsame here09:22
lainwir3dfinal destination?09:22
lainwir3dParis here09:22
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Renaultfirst batch?09:23
lainwir3dyeah09:23
RenaultI can't wait, but I'm in the second batch, it should happenned soon09:23
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r0kk3rzlainwir3d: UK, so not much further09:24
lainwir3d:)09:25
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Milo-I got my massive Jolla C :o09:32
lainwir3dmassive?09:32
lainwir3dreally?09:32
lainwir3ddamn09:32
Milo-for my tiny non-pianistic-girly hands. it's massive.09:33
Milo-I thought the delivery girl gave me an empty cardboard box though. the box was super light.09:34
lainwir3dhaha09:34
Milo-"wait wait wait, I think you gave me an empty box..."09:35
Milo-"oh nevermind, it's there."09:35
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lainwir3dhaha09:36
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lainwir3d*odd look from delivery girl*09:37
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r0kk3rzi wondered the same thing when my sony tab arrived09:39
r0kk3rzturns out its just really really light09:39
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lainwir3d"delivery in progress"09:56
lainwir3ddamn, nobody's at home :-(09:56
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loicm_Hi there. I've just broken the screen of my Jolla Phone this morning :/ Do you know if I can ask (and pay) for a new screen?10:04
Nicd-you need to contact care I think10:07
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loicm_Nicd-, yep, that's what I've done ;)10:14
ppI wonder if mobylife still has parts :-)10:16
ppa year ago it took over a month10:17
ppand was only slightly cheaper (105e) than a used one10:18
Milo-wish I could sync my settings and such easily from my other jolla phone :p10:20
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loicm_pp, mobylife doesn't seem to exist in France, where I live10:25
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ppcare would probably help you in getting your phone to them despite them not serving non-finnish customers :-)10:35
ppso 105+shipping two ways if they have parts, noooot cheap10:35
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speactraofficial statement from intex, legit aqua fish on ebayindia https://twitter.com/IntexBrand/status/75498694168322867210:44
speactrafunny way to launch a product..10:45
mal-very odd10:46
r0kk3rzthey're obviously very proud of it...10:46
Nicd-maybe someone pressed the button on ebay too soon :D10:48
pp74 euros o.O (+ shipping + taxes)10:49
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r0kk3rzmaybe snapdeal bailed10:50
Nicd-depressing explanation: Intex are trying to sell them out on the down low to fulfill contracts because they do not believe in its success anymore10:50
Nicd-like Nokia sold the N9 without any fanfare iirc10:51
r0kk3rzyeah i guess time will tell10:53
speactrathat's only speculation though. it's india after all, not everything works like in europe..10:53
Milo-darn. Torch application doesn't work with Jolla C10:53
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speactrajolla c has torch in the notifications menu10:54
Milo-oh10:54
Milo-also what's up with these SIM card and microSD card spots?10:55
Milo-can't access them without removing battery ._.10:55
speactranah, but the boot up time is pretty fast so..10:56
Milo-but you actually have to reboot your device to switch microSD cards..10:56
speactrayou can leave the charger plugged in while removing the battery10:57
phlixi_oi remmeber that (iirc) "deutsche bahn" (german railway) kind of as a marketing stunt sold tickets via ebay. it made lots of press for a few days...10:57
phlixi_othey did other similar stuff, like selling tikets via supermarket, iidk, maybe lidl10:58
Nicd-btw did you notice, artemma's flashlight is no longer in the app store.10:59
Nicd-have to use Torch which is not as bright10:59
l1pihttps://together.jolla.com/question/138084/under-further-investigation-official-statement-fakestolen-intex-aqua-fish-on-ebay/?sort=votes&page=1  versus  https://twitter.com/IntexBrand/status/754986941683228672  :D11:01
l1piwell, that update explain a little bit :)11:02
kimmolinobody knows for sure what it the situation11:02
speactral1pi: yea, but the thing is that intex has now responded11:04
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r0kk3rzhttp://www.intex.in/mobile/smartphone/aqua-fish/11:15
r0kk3rzSUPER SMART WORLD11:15
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r0kk3rzah nice, its got proper dimensions11:17
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LarstiQnice nemo11:18
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lainwir3d:)11:19
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r0kk3rzheh the FAQ is funny, it seems they copypastad things from android11:20
TMavicavery cheap....11:21
TMavica650HKD..11:21
TMavicaIt ship oversea or not?11:21
the_mgtso it is the device to finally find dori?11:22
speactraI wonder if it's different from jolla c on 4g, Aqua fish: 4G bands 3,5 (FDD) and 40 (TDD) | Jolla C: 4G/LTE: 1/3/7/2011:22
Stskeepsspeactra: india bands vs europe11:22
lainwir3douch11:23
lainwir3dthose are different bands?11:23
lainwir3dpretty much a no go11:23
TMavicaJollaC 169 £ , aquafish 5499 RS....11:23
phlixi_oso its india vs europe declaration for the same bands? Or do they got actually different bands?11:24
TMavica1 Jolla C can buy 2 Aquafish11:24
TMavicaCraxy11:24
Stskeepsthey have different bands, different physical antenna likely too i guess11:24
Stskeepsbecause of the bands11:24
phlixi_owow, didnt expected such difference11:24
r0kk3rzStskeeps: so they did us a special run? nice of them11:24
Stskeepsa europe phone isn't very useful in india as it has wrong bands11:24
TMavicaGone order 2 more because of battery11:25
TMavicaIf it ship oversea11:25
phlixi_oin that case i would have had expected a phone thats useles in europe :D11:25
phlixi_oasuming 2g works fine11:25
speactraStskeeps: ok, so it's different hardware i suppose. i can't find anywhere that jolla c has 4g coverage so i'm suspicious the c spec is not correct11:26
LarstiQspeactra: C has 4g11:27
Stskeepsspeactra: jolla c has 4g, i use it11:27
Stskeeps1/3/7/20 seems right11:28
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TMavicaI can use AquaFish with 4g11:28
speactraodd, my jolla1 picks up 4g but not jolla c11:29
speactrathey're supposed to have the same band11:29
Stskeepsspeactra: sometimes some designs are better than others11:30
Stskeepsfor signal reception11:30
speactraStskeeps: ok11:30
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r0kk3rzjolla1 wasnt amazing for reception...11:34
TMavicaAnyone can give me the direct link of aquafish11:35
lainwir3dTMavica: http://www.intex.in/mobile/smartphone/aqua-fish/11:35
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TMavicaNo i mean ebay, i found 2 item aquafish11:38
TMavicaWhich is official11:38
speactraTMavica: no one knows11:38
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RenaultTMavica: you can't compare Jolla C price with the Intex phone, TAX are different and the Jolla C selled with the "developper/community program", it's not only the phone11:39
TMavicaRenault: u are right..11:40
SmarI hope no-one thinks they are making money with jolla c... :P11:40
r0kk3rzi thought it was stated that they 'sold' it at cost11:41
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TMavicaIt only ship locally...11:43
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taaemLarstiQ: seems it got through customs12:20
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LarstiQtaaem: any action on your part required?12:24
taaemI had to send them my payment confirmation from PayPal and this http://www.tnt.de/internet/TNT2008/content.nsf/b751a067ceb5cabbc12569890057aa2d/2bb0a8a36cb3eab7c12578d400471030/$FILE/ATTPQB3F.pdf/Import_Zollvollmacht_112015.pdf (its in german sorry) but with that I allow them to do my customs stuff12:28
taaemLarstiQ: ^12:28
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LarstiQtaaem: ok, good12:35
LarstiQtaaem: since Jolla is paying delivery and duties, TNT is checking that it matches what you paid for it. Can't really blame them for that.12:36
Hellebtw, anyone know if there is a way to replace the lock screen ? I normally don't have my phone close to my body, except now in summer12:37
Helleturns out, the touch screen is super sensitive when warm12:37
Helleso I setup a lock screen with a nonsense code on it12:37
Hellebut uuuuh12:37
Helleit's pocked dialled the emergency number twice now12:37
loicm_my Jolla touchscreen doesn't work anymore since this morning (I sent a ticket to the support, waiting). Now I want to try to backup stuff I have on the phone but by plugging the USB wire with my laptop, I realize I can't touch the screen to say "Hey don't charge only, mount the volume"12:40
TMavicaWhen is the next ship day?12:40
loicm_any idea on how I could sort this out? :)12:41
Yanielyou could try connecting over wifi12:42
Yanielor in recovery mode12:43
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loicm__Yaniel,the phone is still running and is connected to my local wifi network12:45
Yanielif you have SSH enabled on it you should be able to get in12:45
loicm__is it something I should have enabled on the phone before breaking the touchscreen? ;)12:46
Yanielyes12:46
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loicm_erf, so I'm f***ed up :/12:47
loicm_didn't know about that12:47
Smarit’s the developer mode so don’t blame yourself :P12:48
kimmolihttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-Jolla-Phone-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode-12:48
loicm_kimmoli, reading it, thanks!12:49
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loicm_seems like I can access to the Shell in recovery mode :)13:14
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coderusrecovery shell13:59
coderusthen mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt14:00
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ahjolinnaJapanese Softbank bought ARM with  ~29 billion euros http://www.bbc.com/news/business-3682280614:07
loicm_coderus, yup, I could backup my photos/videos and other stuff14:10
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loicm_my contacts are all in the sqlite database but I could export them when needed14:10
loicm_messages may be losts but that's not really importants14:13
loicm_now the most important is: when could we buy an official SFOS phone ;)14:14
coderuswell, you can try to copy that to emulator :)14:14
kimmolimsgs also in db14:14
Renaultloicm_: Intex delivers its phone to Europe?14:15
lainwir3ddamn, google decided to call their next android version android?14:15
lainwir3dfu***** bastards14:16
Yanielwhat14:16
lainwir3dsalifish I mean14:16
Renaultsource?14:16
lainwir3dsailfish*14:16
abransonit's the codeword for the next htc nexus, isn't it?14:16
lainwir3dor is that a phone?14:16
lainwir3dyeah, sorry, mixing everything up14:16
Milo-speaking of syncing messages. anyone got a better way of syncing messages from original jolla to jolla C than copying files over old phone's filesystem?14:17
abransonstill pretty rude14:17
lainwir3dit's the next nexus. It's better, but still bad14:17
lainwir3dyeah14:17
SmarI have funny theory that there is some people that likes sailfish at htc14:17
Smarit definitely feels like that looking their new phones :P14:17
r0kk3rzhtc could do worse than releasing an sfos phone14:17
abransonmaybe they're interested in helping to get sailfish running on sailfish ;)14:18
lainwir3dhaha14:18
lainwir3dthat would be fun14:18
Smarhtc 10 interestingly said that officially it won’t break warranty if you flash another OS to the phone14:18
Smarit’s intriguing :P14:18
lainwir3dbut now real sailfish news is getting drowned by this nexus crap14:18
abransonmake sure whenever it gets mentioned, you ask if it's running Sailfish OS :)14:21
loicm_Renault, I don't know but I guess they won't as their market is in India14:24
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TMavica104 devices sold14:35
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M-schmittlauchlink?14:49
M-schmittlauchah, found it http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_device_codenamed_sailfish_is_said_to_be_the_successor_to_nexus_5x_alleged_specs_revealed-news-19007.php14:50
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r0kk3rz\o/ released by customs! at least i had no issues with them15:12
taaemr0kk3rz: congrats same for me15:15
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TMavicawhats aquafish dimension? include the box15:27
TMavicaand weight15:27
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pimpreneilAnyone with a good idea on how to get LTE working on the Jolla C? I really hope it is just a minor software issue... https://together.jolla.com/question/137336/bug-lte-with-jolla-c/16:58
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Stskeepspimpreneil: jolla C works with lte for mine at least16:59
pimpreneilor maybe a regression from 2.0.2.4316:59
Stskeepspimpreneil: what bands are your operator?16:59
pimpreneilI´m at Orange France16:59
pimpreneil800 and 2600 I guess17:00
Stskeepspimpreneil: 4g sim card is in 1st sim slot?17:00
pimpreneilyup17:00
pimpreneilhaven´t tries number two though17:00
pimpreneiltried*17:00
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pimpreneilStskeeps: Same issue with the second slot fyi17:03
Stskeepspimpreneil: and 'prefer 4g' is in mobile network settings?17:04
pimpreneilyes, it´s the default value17:04
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pimpreneilif you go check my post in together, you´ll see that ofono seems to be OK17:04
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pimpreneilTechnologyPreference: lte17:05
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mcfriskhmm, tnt asking for custom details for jolla-c from Hong Kong. I hope this does not mean trouble..18:12
Yanielit should not18:12
Yanielanyway AFAIK you need to contact zendesk18:12
mcfriskI need?18:13
mcfrisktnt and destination is germany18:13
Stskeepsmcfrisk: good idea to contact zendesk18:14
Yanielapparently others had to do the same18:15
mcfriskok, will do then. Thanks!18:16
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phlixi[2016-07-18 19:00:18] <Stskeeps> pimpreneil: 4g sim card is in 1st sim slot? <<- does that mean if i want to use 4g data, the sim needs to be in first slot? is there documentation for the dual sim stuff? i probably want to use one sim for data only (2/3/4g) and a second one for calls only...18:33
Stskeepsno18:33
Stskeepsbut you never know what modems make up18:33
phlixiunfortunately my order is still "paid" (while i thought it might be near to impossible, that someone else ordered faster :D ) ....thus is fortunately have some time left to get the SIMs :-)18:35
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r0kk3rzphlixi: the helsinki event blog post has a talk from the chief designer about how they went about the dual sim stuff18:46
r0kk3rzwhilst he doesnt go into exactly how it all works, you can see the thought that has gone into it18:47
phlixithx18:47
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kimmoliphlixi: i need to double check, but you can enable data from one card only, and then make it ask which card you use for calls/text before call is made, or make one sim default for calls/sms18:51
phlixiexactly how i prefer... nice :-)18:52
kimmolibut the check is that if you receive a call on the another sim than the data-active, does your data drop for duration of the call18:52
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phlixii can live with that, i usually do not do calls18:53
phlixiits more of a emergency thing for people of the last ventury18:54
phlixicentury*18:54
kimmolii have somesort of record on calls, almost 10 minutes this month already http://kimmoli.com/tauhkaa/saunalahtierittely.jpg18:55
kimmoliwell, i got a dejavu from the front pics of this http://www.xda-developers.com/sony-xperia-f8831-photographed-sonys-next-flagship-with-a-redesign-finally/18:59
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abransonShows how well a usb-c port matches the Jolla design19:13
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r0kk3rzlooks nice19:16
r0kk3rza little bit holy-bezels-batman but otherwise nice19:16
YanielThe homescreen looks like crap though19:16
r0kk3rzthat can be fixed19:17
Yaniel:319:18
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mcfriskhmm, zendesk closed my toll question case for jolla-c shipping to germany without comments or details. I hope they delivered tnt something..19:48
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coderusmcfrisk: reply to that ticket to reopen19:57
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M-schmittlauchmcfrisk: I forwarded the order confirmation to TNT, let's see if that's enough. At least the tracking status moved to "Customs Clearance In Progress."20:18
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phlixiDHL bugged me when they had my tablet at customs. they acepted a screenshot of the order from shop.jolla.com. they asked sor something where they could see the value20:25
phlixi(germany)20:25
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M-schmittlauchGermany as well.20:25
phlixiof course, home of the bureaucracy20:26
M-schmittlauchI doubt that I get the phone tomorrow, but let's see20:27
phlixiin my case they accepted a jpg via email. since they did not reported back, i just called them, and they confirmed everything is ok20:28
phliximaybe thats possible at tnt as well20:28
M-schmittlauchI'll do that if custom status hasn't changed till tomorrow evening.20:29
M-schmittlauchI'm not that fond of listening to waiting loop music20:29
M-schmittlauchfor the German speaking people here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teuU7Rf9PhQ20:30
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HtheBguys, does anyone know if it's possible to install the Play Store on the Jolla C like we did on the Jolla?22:34
HtheBUsing the same files22:34
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M-schmittlauchHtheB: As the Jolla C's aliendalvik provides an Android 4.4 environment while the Jolla 1's aliendalvik provides a 4.1 env, you need to use GApps for Android 4.4. Everything else shall work22:54
M-schmittlauchHtheB: Disclaimer: I never put Play Services onto my Jolla22:54
M-schmittlauchmcfrisk: "July 18, 2016 10:45 PM (Local time)22:55
M-schmittlauchCologne Airport July 18, 2016 10:45 PM22:55
M-schmittlauchReleased By Customs"22:55
phlixi:-)22:55
M-schmittlauchmcfrisk: looks like the order confirmation was enough22:55
phlixisame story as with tablet and dhl in dresden then...22:56
M-schmittlauchphlixi (IRC):22:57
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phlixiah, sorry, leipzip, not dresden :D23:07
phlixileipzig23:07
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HtheBM-schmittlauch: Hmmmm23:26
HtheBI've replaced the apps23:26
HtheBbut somehow, now when I install any android app, it does not show in the app list anymore.. lol23:26
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