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taaemout for delivery \o/06:54
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LarstiQtaaem: did they give a timeframe for delivery, or just "today"?07:11
abransonmine too!07:13
taaemLarstiQ: on the tracking site they say before 6pm07:14
taaembut nothing more07:14
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LarstiQtaaem: keep us posted :)07:18
taaemi will :P07:18
taaemi hope i'm home when it arrives...07:19
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r0kk3rztaaem: i'll race you :P07:33
r0kk3rzexcept i definitely wont be home when it arrives07:33
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taaemr0kk3rz: lets see who wins :P07:35
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kimmoliluckily i got mine from ISCE, this paper-boy came is so thrilling07:37
kimmoli*game07:37
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TMavicaAny fmradio apps preinstalled in jolla c?08:39
Temppu-TemeJolla C has fm receiver? O_o08:39
r0kk3rzTemppu-Teme: jolla 1 had fm receiver too08:40
kimmoliTMavica: yep, integrated in media08:40
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Temppu-Temenever knew that08:41
Temppu-Temefm transmitter would have been cool08:41
r0kk3rzheh i guess you could get a USB SDR and hook it up to the spare usb port on the fairphone08:43
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mal-the same chip has an fm transmitter also but whether it works with the current wire connections is another question, I have done some testing of fm transmitter on fp2 without luck yet, need to figure out the correct initialization sequence, I did initial version of the fm radio middleware which is also used in jolla c so I have some knowledge of that stuff08:45
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M-schmittlauch"Shipment Delayed In Transit Recovery Actions Underway"10:20
M-schmittlauch???10:20
StskeepsM-schmittlauch: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nvLlj8ivSAw/hqdefault.jpg ?10:25
LarstiQM-schmittlauch: heuh?10:27
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taaemits here \o/10:35
taaemr0kk3rz: did i win?10:35
r0kk3rztaaem: you did, congrats10:35
taaemthanks10:35
taaemit feels good10:46
r0kk3rzi hope mine is waiting for me when i get home :)10:48
r0kk3rzah they just tried delivery10:48
r0kk3rzclose race10:48
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taaemokay i just added a dropbox account and got an email that a new login with safari on linux happend :D10:58
the_mgtone phone to bind them all11:01
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Yanielsafari on linux? tell me more about it11:18
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taaem-mo/11:27
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Armadillooh come on tnt, still no delivery today..11:40
Armadillomy tracking history already reached 23 stations, I'm going crazy soon I think...11:40
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abransoni was stupidly out when the delivery came, but they left it in the postbox!11:46
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Armadilloabranson you lucky guy ;)11:52
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lainwir3dtaaem: got mine yesterday ;-)12:14
lainwir3dI broke my Jolla 1 glass screen, 30 seconds later TNT guy called me to know if I was home to deliver the Jolla C12:15
lainwir3dtalk about timing!12:15
r0kk3rzthe corner of my j1 has a nice dent from when i dropped it the other day12:15
ballocklainwir3d: I broke my Nokia e51 just before I got the Jolla112:15
abransonthe top of bezel of mine is so battered there's bare metal all the way along12:16
ballockI was mad for loosing range, that was totally not e51's fault, I threw it to the ground with full force.12:16
ballockIf I wasn't aware my Jolla1 is shipping soon, I wouldn't have done that.12:16
ballocklainwir3d: still a pity, Jolla1 is nice hardware, you could have restrained yourself, you know?12:17
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lainwir3dhaha12:18
lainwir3dnot on purpose12:18
lainwir3dthough it makes me wonder if it's not my subconcious12:18
r0kk3rzi hope to keep my jphone for cbeta12:18
Yanielsame12:18
lainwir3dwell it's still working though, just a bit cutting under the thumb lol12:18
Yanielwell, early access but anyway12:18
lainwir3dcbeta?12:18
Yanielalso for following the OS12:19
YanielOS's development12:19
r0kk3rzlainwir3d: community beta group, for early early access12:19
lainwir3doooh12:19
r0kk3rztalk to sledges if you want to join12:19
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Yanielhmm I could do that, my jolla is currently just an mp3 player I use in the evenings12:20
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Yanielbecause of quasarmx's sleep timers12:20
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M-schmittlauchAfter testing I'm going to sell the JollaC to someone else because I realized just 1 hour after ordering it that my Jolla 1 is still good enough.12:21
M-schmittlauchSo it better doesn't break D:12:21
Yanielsledges: ping12:21
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lainwir3ddoes the Jolla C has OTG?13:26
lainwir3dusb otg13:26
lainwir3dapparently not13:28
lainwir3dusb audio headphones not working13:28
lainwir3dthat's too bad :-(13:28
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lainwir3dor maybe there is, but no necessary drivers installed13:29
lainwir3dbecause I have some sort of reaction in dmesg13:29
tbrusb headphones? wtf?13:29
Nicd-tbr: the latest phones don't even have headphone jacks ;)13:30
r0kk3rzheadphone jacks, so last century13:30
Nicd-digital headphones are the latest in useless but forced technology13:30
lainwir3dtbr: new sort of cool stuff. Works pretty well on Jolla tablet13:30
tbr"yay"13:30
louisdkI've a hard time getting used to my Jolla C. It's quite big espcially when using a generic leather case which fits a 5,1" phone.13:31
Nicd-my friend has a usb gaming headset. he used it on my computer once and after that it took me an hour to get the sounds working again :D13:31
lainwir3dwell I'm working for Parrot on the Parrot Zik 3 headphones13:31
lainwir3dwhich, among bluetooth and jack, you can plug in usb13:31
Temppu-Temeso what's the advantage of usb?13:32
lainwir3dactually, I don't have to trust the crappy audio DAC phones usually have, so it's quite better13:32
lainwir3dTemppu-Teme: audio is sent digitally13:32
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Nicd-how many people actually care about the DAC?13:33
r0kk3rzyeah the benefit is you get to bring your own DAC, the downside is that you have to13:33
Temppu-Temewell it gets converted to analog at some point..13:33
lainwir3dno digital to analog from the phone to the jack, the analog to digital headphones side13:33
Nicd-the point is they can sell you new headphones and implement DRM :P13:33
lainwir3dTemppu-Teme: yeah, but in case of powered headphones that do quite a lot of computing, I prefer it to be done at the last moment13:34
Temppu-Temei care about the dac and obviously have a decent one in usb :P13:34
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Temppu-Temelainwir3d: yeah makes sense13:34
lainwir3dthat way, it's kept digital until conversion to actual audio13:34
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Temppu-Temeso the headphones you mentioned have both usb and headphone jack connector? wonder how that looks like13:36
lainwir3dNicd-: well, for "low-end headphones", it's pretty much increase the price because now you actually have to put some kind of processor inside.13:36
lainwir3dbut I think Apple is planning some "intelligent" lightning cable, with jack output. Clever marketing stunt13:37
Temppu-Temeis there just two connectors of which the one that is not plugged in is just hanging there?13:37
Nicd-lainwir3d: then you can't listen while charging without an adapter13:37
Nicd-so much genious in this change13:37
lainwir3dTemppu-Teme: there is a jack female socket, and a usb one used both for charging and eventually usb audio13:37
Temppu-Temeahaa13:38
lainwir3dTemppu-Teme: http://img.clubic.com/08156992-photo-parrot-zik-3-2.jpg13:38
lainwir3dNicd-: in which case ? Usb-audio allows both charging and listening, but yeah with their adaptator I don't know what will actually happen :-/13:39
lainwir3dfor most people, I agree it only means "have to buy new headphones that are more expensive to do the same for my new phone without audio jack"13:40
Nicd-lainwir3d: you plug your usb headphones to the usb slot13:42
Nicd-now you no longer have an usb slot to charge your phone13:42
Nicd-moar adapters13:42
lainwir3doh. Yeah.13:43
lainwir3dexcept if they put both on the adapter13:43
lainwir3danyway, yeah, sucks.13:44
lainwir3dor, now that they own beats, do a special headphones / battery that charges up your phone :D13:44
Nicd-both on the _adapter_, yes, you found the adapter I was talking about13:45
Nicd-I'm not talking about Apple only, seems Moto Z is doing this too13:45
lainwir3dreally? Didn't know that.13:45
lainwir3d:-(13:45
Nicd-of course then you need more adapters in the house because Apple uses lightning and others use USB-C13:45
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kimmolilainwir3d: otg is not working on C, seems the ID pin might not be even routed. hard to say from layout due possibilty of embedded vias, but no visible track. also no pullup on device side per measurement14:18
lainwir3dcrap :-(14:25
lainwir3dkimmoli:  I was wondering because I saw some logs from "msm_otg" in dmesg14:25
lainwir3dI thought it was encouraging14:26
tbrthe MSM kernel always comes with the OTG state machine14:26
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tbrand as we know from SbJ it is a b*tch to try and short circuit that into believing it should do host mode anyway14:27
tbrI very much welcome people to try though. A solution would likely work on both the C and SbJ14:27
tbr(and aquafish)14:27
lainwir3d:-(14:28
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kimmoliOnyx has DWC3 and it works great14:31
lainwir3ddwc3 ?14:33
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kimmoliusb314:40
kimmoliin defconfig, i disabled m14:41
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kimmoliall other otg stuff, just dwc3 still enabled14:41
kimmolistarted to tinker droidcam support for third camera14:42
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Armadillois there any information if JollaC supports CSFB for VoLTE?15:37
tillisn't csfb used if no volte is available?15:40
tillafaik sailfish does not support volte at all, so csfb is used while being on lte15:41
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louisdkAwesome. I've tried to move some Android files from /opt/alien/data/data/appfoldermnu from my Jolla 1 to Jolla C without any luck. All files have same ownership and chmod rules.18:35
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svuorelaso. has jollac18:43
Stskeepsgood18:43
svuorelais backup to memory card on old jolla and restore on new the best way to move data across, or are there something smarter?18:45
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Stskeepspersonally i just moved /home/nemo.18:47
Stskeeps:P18:47
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svuorelaoh. and it uses a newer sailfish version than what my other devices has access to ...18:53
Stskeepseklusive18:58
Stskeeps:P18:58
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kimmoliurf, phone without dt2w feels just stupid19:02
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chep_hi, is there a way to make a Backup.tar from terminal?19:18
chep_maybe with vault or the-vault command?19:19
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junnuvitouch Backup.tar :D21:36
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taaemcan i somehow change my username on account.jolla.com?21:43
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chep_junnuvi: thanks :P22:02
chep_I even installed lipstick2vnc to my old broken phone but it seems to be view only22:03
chep_it's very frustrating to see that copy button but not be able to push it22:03
chep_the button that would copy the backup to sd22:04
chep_problem is that the lower part of the touch screen is broken22:04
Liekehm, shouldn't it be possible to rotate it upside-down?22:07
chep_yeah I'm trying to find out how to do that22:08
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Liekethere's this https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-allow-any-orientation-all-sailfishos-applications22:12
HtheBdamn22:14
HtheBmany of my Android apps are NOT compatible with Jolla C :/22:14
HtheBcant even install them :(22:14
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sakustarlike wat22:18
HtheBsakustar: Flitsmeister22:19
HtheBNamaz Vakti Pro22:19
HtheBthose are 2 quick apps that I've know of that it's not installable as an apk either22:19
HtheBneither using the Play Store22:19
HtheBhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nl.flitsmeister22:20
HtheBhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobilexsoft.ezanvakti22:20
HtheBhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobilexsoft.ezanvaktiproplus22:20
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HtheBall of these apps should just work fine with the Android version that Jolla C has, but somehow... it doesn't :/22:21
chep_Lieke: yeah found that too and trying to install22:22
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chep_there's also a region in the middle that doesn't work so hopefully I don't need to touch there either :D22:23
HtheBsakustar: Have you checked it out?22:32
chep_Lieke: haha I think I did it22:45
Liekegreat :)22:46
chep_unfortunately I checked the screen settings and changed from dynamic to portrait22:46
chep_and then I couldn't change it to any other setting22:46
chep_but luckily I have my TOH keyboard and that seemed to toggle the horizontal rotation in the settings :D22:47
chep_...with the patches of course22:47
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