#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2016-07-20

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TMavicaGood morning01:31
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taaemthe jolla c gets detected as Intex Aqua Fish by the Sailfish IDE interesting :P08:59
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Nicd-well it is the Aqua Fish, just reskinned09:21
Nicd-according to current knowledge09:21
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HtheBDoes anyone knows how to get some Android apps to work on Jolla C?12:25
HtheBSome apps somehow do not work on the Jolla C... (While it should work)12:25
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HtheBno one?12:35
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pplet me guess, pokemon!12:38
pplogcat is usually helpful, btw12:38
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HtheBpp: no, not at all12:45
HtheBIt's the apps that worked on Jolla 1, but not on Jolla C12:45
HtheBThey cant be installed through the Play Store (Says it's not compatible with my phone) neither can I install the apk file12:47
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ganHi everyone12:47
HtheBit ends up with "cannot install"12:47
ganfew days ago i posted a link from  ebay india listing intex aqua fish.....12:48
ganits real finally12:48
ganconfirmed by jolla and intex12:48
Yanieljolla confirmed it too?12:58
HtheBYaniel: yes https://together.jolla.com/question/138360/official-announcement-intex-aqua-fish-now-available-to-purchase-through-ebay-india/12:58
HtheBNow if only my problem was solved :(12:59
r0kk3rzwoo fire sale12:59
Nicd-heheh r0kk3rz13:00
HtheBhelp..13:00
* HtheB is drowning13:00
r0kk3rzNicd-: it's the only reason i can think of, for the phones to be released on ebay with zero fanfare13:02
Stskeeps141 sold with no marketing, not bad13:02
Stskeeps:P13:02
HtheBlol13:03
HtheBmouth to mouth is the best marketing13:03
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r0kk3rz*word of mouth, mouth to mouth is something else...13:05
Nicd-but 141 is nothing13:05
HtheBr0kk3rz: translated Dutch into English13:06
HtheBa bit too literally13:06
HtheBbut yeah, it's word of mouth indeed13:06
ursisn't 141 approximately the number of jolla tablets that actually shipped? :)13:06
HtheBilluminati confirmed!13:07
HtheBHalf Life 3 confirmed!13:07
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Nicd-the first one was more believable, HtheB13:07
HtheB=(13:07
HtheBanyone here got the Jolla C?13:08
HtheBcan anyone try to install (with a workaround?) Flitsmeister13:08
HtheB................13:18
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raa700i believe you can fake your android device in play store13:19
HtheBraa700: thats not the problem13:20
HtheBbecause I cant install the apk either13:20
HtheBit just says that it cant be installed :/13:20
HtheBAnd it seems like that I'm not the only one with this problem13:21
HtheBsomeone else has the same problem13:21
speactraHtheB: it's not compatible with android 4.4. i cannot install it either on jolla c13:21
HtheBspeactra: There is actually no reason why it shouldn't be compatible :(13:22
HtheBunless some libs are missing?13:22
HtheBIt should work fine on 4.413:22
speactraHtheB: have you tried it on 4.4? latest version from play?13:23
HtheByes, yes13:23
r0kk3rzHtheB: is the version you're trying to install the same version you have on the j113:23
HtheB1 app that isn't compatible, I can understand... but there are many of them :/13:23
HtheBno13:23
HtheBand yes13:23
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HtheBI've extracted the apk on my J113:28
HtheBand installed the latest version using apkmirror13:28
HtheB(because I couldn't install it through the play store)13:28
HtheBboth not working13:28
M-schmittlauchdo you allow 3rd party apps on your JC?13:29
HtheBYes13:29
HtheBI do13:29
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HtheBany Jolla employee here that might help me? :(13:45
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Stskeepshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xg-OcuKbM14:10
Stskeeps335) Intex Aqua Fish with Sailfish OS unboxing & first time hands on(ebay)14:10
tiwakeStskeeps: without any second thoughts14:18
tiwakeStskeeps: lol, this guy is nerdgasming so hard14:21
Yanielwhy wouldn't he14:22
Jopeisn't that the whole point of unboxing videos :-D14:22
r0kk3rzlooks like a nice box14:22
tiwakewell sure, but its still funny seeing somebody else do it other than myself14:22
tiwakenormally I keep the nerdgasming to myself XD14:23
tiwakeoh hey, a serviceable battery14:24
Yanielwould be a shame if they were.. out of stock14:24
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tiwakeI'll wait till after I move when I get a new cellphone :314:25
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tiwakedual sim card, nice big battery14:25
r0kk3rztiwake: gonna get yourself an aquafish?14:26
tiwaker0kk3rz: and have a nerdgasm for my very own self14:26
r0kk3rz:D14:27
tiwaker0kk3rz: I have a nexus 5, dual booting with sailfishOS, but I think something messed up on the install... seems I need to restart it every couple-few days14:28
ArmadilloI hope they solve the LTE issues with the C...14:29
Sail0rArmadillo: https://twitter.com/JamesNoori/status/75575999665950310814:29
Armadillooh14:30
Armadillo:)14:30
r0kk3rztiwake: :/ i guess thats ports for you14:31
mal-I don't even have a SIM card that supports LTE :)14:31
HtheBYeah LTE Issues over here as well14:32
HtheBand Android issues :(14:32
tiwaker0kk3rz: its survivable, but enh... I do want a pureblood sailfishOS device14:33
r0kk3rztiwake: unforunately those are rare beasts these days14:33
tiwakeanyway, time for work... TTFN14:33
HtheBHow can I check out the log when installing an Android apk file?14:34
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M-schmittlauchas root: journalctl -f14:36
M-schmittlauchthen try to install the apk14:36
M-schmittlauchand look whether there appears something relevant in the logs14:37
TMavicahttp://www.maxbhi.com/battery-for-intex-aqua-fish.html14:38
TMavicaAquaFish battery on sale too14:38
Yanielheh14:40
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r0kk3rzis this auto generated?? http://www.maxbhi.com/3d-virtual-reality-glasses-headset-for-intex-aqua-fish.html14:42
TMavicawa14:43
HtheBM-schmittlauch: ok, let me try14:43
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HtheBM-schmittlauch: It says:14:48
HtheBQInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory14:49
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M-schmittlauchOk, that doesn't really look relevant14:54
HtheBthere is nothing else shown :(14:54
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M-schmittlauchHtheB: Did you run it as root? That means, did you do a `devel-su` before?14:57
M-schmittlauchHtheB: Anyway, it's just a guess, somebody mentioned another logging tool yesterday, but I can't find it right now14:57
HtheBM-schmittlauch: yeah14:59
HtheBas root14:59
M-schmittlauchHtheB: Then sorry, I currently don't have more ideas14:59
HtheBStskeeps ^14:59
M-schmittlauchthere's probably a way to invoke installing apks from the shell, but I don't know it15:00
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taaemsomething with apkd probably15:05
HtheBtaaem: Too bad the terminal doesnt understand "something with apkd" :(15:06
kimmolisearch tjc15:08
M-schmittlauchHtheB (IRC): https://together.jolla.com/question/80210/android-apps-or-dalvik-logs-where-to-find/15:09
M-schmittlauchHtheB (IRC): https://together.jolla.com/question/61240/install-of-apk-packages-fails-with-fresh-installed-android-runtime/15:10
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HtheBM-schmittlauch: the first one is for crashes, mine does not crash, it just tells that it cannot install15:14
HtheBthe other one: I've already installed a lot of apps, but just a bunch of them does not :(15:14
HtheB(Thats why Play Store also says that it's incompatible )15:15
M-schmittlauchDoes installing not work since you installed play store? Then you may've fucked up something15:16
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HtheBM-schmittlauch: has nothing to do with the Play Store15:21
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HtheBdidn't install before installing Play Store either15:21
HtheBhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fr.smoney.android.izly.REC15:21
HtheBseems like this one does not install either15:21
HtheBbut works on Jolla 115:21
coderusdid you installed it via play store?15:27
coderuswhat about downloading apk and installing manually?15:28
HtheBcoderus: I cant install it using play store, it says incompatible15:29
HtheBI've got the apk files, and when i click on install, it looks like it's installing, but at the end it says: app not installed15:30
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abransonHtheB: did you try following the journal while doing the install? there might be an error in there.15:54
HtheBabranson: yes, and there is only Pebble messages :p15:55
abransonhaha15:55
HtheBthe only message for apkd was the one I shared :(15:55
abransonit's got a bit spammy of late hasn't it15:55
abransonthere's an android system log somewhere. let me see if i can find out where.15:55
abransonhave you done this?15:57
abransonchroot /opt/alien/ /system/bin/logcat15:57
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HtheBabranson: let me see16:21
HtheBabranson: Aha!16:23
HtheBmissing com.google.android.maps !16:23
HtheBrequires unavailable shared library16:23
abransoncool. i wondered if the four apks from gapps were maybe a bit small.16:24
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HtheBso.. where to get this file from? :D16:24
* HtheB is excited16:25
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abransoninstall google maps from the store?16:27
abransonor check the gapps package for extra apks that might be relevant16:27
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abransonanyone else have an opinion? i know coderus knows a lot about android internals.16:32
HtheBabranson: got Maps already installed16:33
HtheBso we can strike out that option16:33
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HtheBIm going home now (im at work)16:33
HtheBill be here asap again16:33
HtheBhope someone knows the solution to this problem :)16:33
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abransonHtheB: if you see this later, I noticed there's a system/framework dir in the gapps package that contains a com.google.android.maps.jar file. Try copying that over to /opt/alien/system/framework16:49
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svuorelahmm... restore backup on jolla c - is that option not implemented ?17:09
r0kk3rzjolla c, surprisingly nice17:09
svuorelaif just I could get like my contacts and messages over ...17:10
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r0kk3rzthe back is nice and grippy17:15
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coderussvuorela: nope, check tjc17:17
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svuorelais there manual ways of doing it ?17:22
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HtheBabranson: will do now17:27
HtheBlets see if that will work17:27
HtheBsvuorela: I made a backup on my Jolla1, and restored it on my Jolla C without any problems17:27
HtheB(I used the DropBox method)17:27
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HtheBabranson: no luck :( still can't install17:38
HtheBdo I need to register that file somewhere?17:39
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abransonHtheB not sure, should look for clues in the gapps package. Did you align the permissions? Might need a 664.17:42
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coderusdid you restarted dalvik?17:48
HtheBrebooted phone17:50
HtheBjust to be sure17:51
HtheBabranson: I've looked to the other files in the same dir, they have the same permissions17:51
HtheBbut let me do a 66417:51
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HtheBnope :(17:58
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HtheBI see that there is also a .xml file inside /system/etc/permissions18:06
* HtheB adds that file inside that dir as well18:08
svuorelaHtheB: I don't do dropbox.18:08
HtheBsvuorela: neither do I18:08
HtheBjust created one18:08
HtheBthen you can remove them again if needed18:08
svuorelabut then you have passed over a copy of your data.18:09
HtheBa part of it, yes18:09
HtheBno pics or vids18:09
HtheBabranson, coderus: SUCCES!!!18:10
coderusxml?18:10
HtheByes18:10
coderuscool18:10
HtheBand probably the other file as well18:10
HtheBdidn't removed it18:10
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HtheBcoderus: any idea if your Android root works on Jolla C?18:26
coderusHtheB: no18:26
coderusidea18:27
HtheBdoes it on the Tablet?18:27
HtheBif yes, then it should work on C as well18:27
abransonHtheB: great! Wonder why it worked on the j1...18:29
coderusHtheB: afaik no18:29
coderusi dont have sailfish on my tablet18:29
HtheBthanks coderus18:29
HtheBabranson: I've installed the PlayStore on my J1 as well18:29
HtheBit had all kinds of libs on it18:29
HtheBso probably also the maps one18:29
abransonI was hoping that might help with my weather app that could get location on the j1 but nothing else. but it doesn't seem to help.18:31
abransonWeatherpro18:32
HtheBaaaand yes, many apps suddenly appeared in the Play Store18:33
HtheBafter applying this fix18:33
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phlixihttp://www.amazon.in/dp/B01IHFLXB418:54
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ArmadilloI really like the small changes in the new Sailfish version on the JollaC19:10
Yaniellike?19:11
Armadilloe.g. the reboot option and fm radio19:12
Yanielah19:13
M-schmittlauchIs the new "show last open app after unlocking" configurable?19:13
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ArmadilloI haven#t seen an option for that19:15
M-schmittlauchBut I guess it's a sane default19:16
Liekenp: mpd stopped19:20
Lieke\19:20
Liekesorry19:20
Yanielhaven't heard that one before19:20
Liekeshouldn't clean the keyboard while the chat is open :)19:20
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HtheBArmadillo: Reboot option is not Jolla C, it's just Sailfish OS update19:30
HtheBit's on Jolla 1 aswell19:30
ArmadilloHtheB I never said that it's JollaC only19:36
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r0kk3rzambiances have actions now, cool20:52
MoritzJTthey had a while ago, didnt they?20:55
r0kk3rzmaybe, sometimes i dont notice everything right away when they change it20:55
MoritzJT;) I still prefer Situations and wish it had Ambiance as trigger20:57
MoritzJTanyone with Jolla C?20:57
MoritzJTi deleted su file from /opt/alien/bin20:57
MoritzJT:(20:57
r0kk3rzgood one20:57
YanielWhy20:57
r0kk3rzget it out of the recovery snapshot20:58
MoritzJTon Jolla C there is one?21:00
MoritzJTi tampered with su for alien dalvik, i need root but missed the correct dirs21:00
r0kk3rzyeah, lvm snapshot21:00
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MoritzJTshould I Google or is it trivial xD21:01
YanielNow you can back up your shit and try out the brand new device reset feature21:01
MoritzJTaahem, I don't wat to reset. Just need to get that file from someplace and set cirrect permissions again. orobabky I could uninstall alien dalvik21:02
MoritzJTand reinstall21:03
MoritzJTshould fix it, huh? ;)21:03
r0kk3rzhmm, it seems the lvm tools arent installed by default21:03
MoritzJTdo you have the JollaC?21:04
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r0kk3rzyes21:05
r0kk3rzgot it today, is nice21:05
r0kk3rzhavent gappsd it yet though21:05
MoritzJTsweet. using root for alien dalvik? :D21:05
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MoritzJTbetter live without gapps... they work but meh...21:06
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r0kk3rzyeah its an necessary evil unfortunately21:06
r0kk3rzalthough my reliance on it is slowly going21:07
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MoritzJTsame here. just a few good apps that allow me OWA access for mail21:07
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MoritzJTwhy won't uninstalling alien dakvik clean all android aops and stuff?21:11
MoritzJTdamn -.-21:11
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abransonI took the gapps off my J1 a long time ago because RAM. Quite enjoying having it back again on the C21:20
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M-schmittlauchnever had any GApps on my Jolla. I try to use mainly Free Software, which rarely (except Signal) needs GApps21:31
r0kk3rztheres a gapps freee signal on the jstore21:34
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M-schmittlauchrokk3rz: Yeah, but it's been discontinued because m0xie doesn't want to have 3rd party clients using his server.21:38
MoritzJTBut it still works?21:39
MoritzJTFor me that is ..21:39
M-schmittlauchMoritzJT: Yes, but it will die sooner or later. It even has a built-in time triggered countdown/ kill switch21:41
MoritzJT:( Bye bye textsecure. No thanks. Back to encrypted sms21:42
MoritzJTas if I could pull that off :(21:42
Liekehttps://github.com/aebruno/whisperfish21:42
MoritzJTdamn root issue. Anyone got lucky rooting alien dalvik on Jolla C?21:42
MoritzJTwhisperfish had my hooes high21:42
MoritzJTbut if the backend locks us out ...21:43
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M-schmittlauchCurrently m0xie doesn't do anything to lock clients out, so as long as whisperfish is small and unnoticed things should be fine. But as soon as it causes trouble, m0xies rage may be furious21:44
r0kk3rzi can mostly see his point, its a lot easier to change stuff if you dont have to play nicely with others21:46
r0kk3rzand one major reason why the existing open standard things havent changed since 199521:46
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abransonThat's why you have to design them properly in the first place. It's just an excuse for lazy design.21:55
M-schmittlauchWell, partly: Requirements change, see XMPP and mobile connectivity. The important thing is to engineer a good transition path from the beginning on21:56
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phlixii think its a cover up22:54
phlixihey, its open source and stuff, but in the end he is trying to make a platform, that is not open at all22:54
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phlixiof course there are good arguments for that, no doubt; but its not as open as moxie claims22:55
phlixior make it look like22:55
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Liekeyeah, maybe it's best to just use the irc client to use my bitlbee at home so i can use xmpp with otr23:10
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abransonnot very convinced with holding up xmpp as an example of a distributed standard that went sclerotic.23:14
abransongoogle killed xmpp with the old adopt, embrace, extinguish23:15
abransonxmpp could have moved along if it had strong clients. the servers support loads of stuff.23:15
abransonbut the clients sort of died because everyone used gtalk. any extension google didn't use was pointless.23:16
M-schmittlauchlet's see whether XMPP will have a new dawn thanks to OMEMO and all the mobile-readyness stuff23:16
abransonit could, but it's still lacking a decent client23:16
M-schmittlauchI'm writing this through a matrix.org <-> IRC bridge, so there are clearly some interesting projects out there23:17
M-schmittlauchNevertheless there's still the question why "normal" people should adopt it23:18
M-schmittlauchConversations is a great client. But the native XMPP support on SailfishOS is a bad joke.23:18
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abransonnot tried conversations, but would like to.23:19
the_mgtpeople wont adopt. people use whatever hip app is en vogue right now23:19
M-schmittlauchSince day one it's not possible to add new contacts or confirm their requests. It's the first TJC question I posted23:19
abransona decent client is all people care about. protocols are irrelevant.23:19
the_mgtI have two clients that use openfire and spark at the office23:19
abransonthough i think people would attracted by the idea of not needing countless apps to chat to people23:19
abransoni have an ejabberd server. that's very slick and has lots of extensions.23:19
M-schmittlauchabranson: The Conversations main developer has put the client into Jolla Store23:19
the_mgtopenfire is nice, but spark is so fugly, i would not want to use it for anything in my free time23:20
M-schmittlauchI run a prosody with many alpha or beta state extensions for cool mobile features23:20
abransonM-schmittlauch: thx, i'll try it. my xmpp contact list is so empty these days though23:20
M-schmittlauchabranson: You may want to run this against your server: https://github.com/iNPUTmice/ComplianceTester23:21
abransoni thought ejabberd was quite well featured23:21
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abransonapparently not ;)23:22
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abransonpassed 8/12 on the conversations compliance. though i may need to enable some of that stuff.23:23
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M-schmittlauchabranson: well, their recommended server conversations.im also runs ejabberd, but probably with some addons/ patches23:24
abransonyeah i think it has a plugin mechanism23:24
M-schmittlauchabranson: The one with push you can safely ignore as it needs GCM23:24
abransoni thought it had the 313 message archive management though23:24
abransonthat's important for that message sync between clients that makes telegram so nice23:25
abransonhas anyone tried copying their wifi networks between jolla phones yet? i've had some fun with that just now.23:25
M-schmittlauchjust copy /var/lib/connman ?23:27
M-schmittlauchbut haven't tried that yet23:28
abransonyes, except the network identifier used for the names of the dirs and the headers of the settings files is wifi_<local mac>_<ssid-code>23:29
abransonso i had to get my sed out ;)23:29
abransoni should write it up23:29
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