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KabouikHi. My Jolla C is suddenly making bips every few seconds, duration between bips varies, and I have no idead what they are related to. Last applications I have installed are SimScout, Wifi Analyzer and some games. Any ideas?08:14
coderusbad mobile network coverage?08:15
tillmight be the camera soud issue08:16
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tillhttps://together.jolla.com/question/137611/jolla-c-occasional-ticking-sound-when-screen-is-off/08:17
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KabouikIt is clearly a bip, not just the autofocus I think. Bad network coverage trigger bips coderus?08:21
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KabouikNote that the bips are not accompanied by any notification, and bips can happen with screen locked or awake.08:22
coderusyes. try with mobile network disabled08:22
the_mgtfaulty stealth sms send by the nsa...08:22
KabouikWeird thing is it is bipping right now as I am typing Coderus, but I have coverage and even 3G08:22
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KabouikDisabled mobile data network (not flight mode) and still got bips08:28
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coderusnot mobile data, you need to disable sim08:35
tillKabouik are you on a 2g network? might be https://together.jolla.com/question/137612/jolla-c-using-2g-network-interferes-the-phones-own-speaker/08:36
tillflight mode should be sufficient08:37
KabouikI'll try disabling SIM card slot 1 and slot 2 to see if one is responsible for the bips coderus, which will take some time since bips seem totally random so far (sometimes nothing for 30 min, then 10 bips in 1 min)08:39
KabouikIf that's it, what can I do to disable it and is it showing a big issue? I can confirm that it bips also when I have data and mobile network coverage, so I don't really see the point. Even Simscout shows a pretty good network.08:40
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KabouikI don't think it's this issue till (which I never noticed by the way), the bips are clearly bips, not just interferences.08:41
KabouikPlus I was on 3G before disabling the sim card I think.08:42
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coderusanyway i think you have to live with that08:43
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tillor look/ask on tjc08:51
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r0kk3rzKabouik: reboot, ive certainly heard the odd noise coming from android on jolla c09:09
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KabouikI have rebooted r0kk3rz, no change. I have no  bips since I disabled SIM1 though (but SIM1 was working correctly so I don't get it). Also, this behaviour has just started yesterday. I'm using my Jolla C since the delivery last month.09:11
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r0kk3rzdefine bip09:12
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KabouikIt's clearly an electronic alert sound coming from the speaker.09:14
KabouikJust like a BIOS bleep.09:14
r0kk3rzinteresting09:17
r0kk3rzmight be a consequence of the different freqs from india09:19
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hiyahey what's up?09:20
hiyais Sailfish a full fledged linux OS?09:20
Stskeepsit has bash, if that's what you're wondering09:20
hiyais it fully open source?09:21
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r0kk3rzhiya: not fully, but quite a lot of it is open source common linuxy stuff like Qt, Systemd, libc that kind of stuff09:22
Yanielbasically yes, except for some driver blobs and the silica GUI stuff09:23
hiyaAwesome then, also what emulator do you use for Android ?09:24
Yanielalien dalvik by myriad09:24
r0kk3rzhiya: thats one of the proprietary bits for now09:24
hiyak09:24
hiyaDoes it have an opensource store unlike gapps?09:25
hiyawhat is the story?09:25
Nicd-there is openrepos for a store09:25
Yanieldoesn't have a default store but you can sideload apks09:25
r0kk3rzfor native or android apps? you can install whatever stores you like09:25
Yanieland fdroid works09:25
Yanielwith some tinkering, google play works too, I hear09:26
r0kk3rzYaniel: certainly does09:26
hiyaNo I was talking about Sailfish Store?09:26
hiyaDon't we have that too?09:26
r0kk3rzsure09:26
Yanielyes09:26
Nicd-yes, it's called Harbour09:26
Nicd-or, sort of :P09:26
YanielNicd-, isn09:26
Yanielisn't harbour the developer part of it, where apps are submitted09:26
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Nicd-Yaniel: all the apps are called harbour-xxxx though. and Jolla Store might confuse with the online shop where you can buy phones09:27
Yanielyes09:28
hiyaok09:28
Nicd-hiya: the default app store on the device is not open source09:28
Nicd-https://openrepos.net/ is the community app "store"09:28
Yanielopenrepos doesn't have any review process though, so be careful with what you install from there09:29
tilland "warehouse" is the sailfish app for accessing openrepos09:29
hiyaOMG09:29
hiyaWhy isn't the model opensource?09:29
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Nicd-model?09:29
hiyanvm09:33
hiyaSo what is the latest device that is available?09:33
Nicd-Intex Aqua Fish I think09:33
Nicd-sold in India09:33
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Nicd-then there's TuringPhone which may or may not be a scam, and Jolla C that was a limited run for developers. I think there were some others but I don't remember them09:34
r0kk3rzhiya: you may have an android device you can install the community version of sailfish on09:35
tadzikthose are all the existing ones at least, except the TuringPhone which is a mythical creature09:35
r0kk3rztadzik: elusive perhaps, but not mythical anymore09:35
hiyaNicd-, Intex Aqua Fish?09:35
hiyar0kk3rz, list of support devices?09:35
Stskeepstadzik: it's real but mythical09:35
r0kk3rzhiya: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris09:36
Nicd-hiya: http://www.ebay.in/itm/Intex-Aqua-Fish-4G-LTE-with-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-5-2GB-RAM-16-GB-8MP-/282098603976?hash=item41ae6317c8:g:egEAAOSwanRXhisG09:36
Nicd-btw I hope that "673 sold" is not the actual number :P09:36
Stskeepsamazon.in is official one i think?09:38
Nicd-that one is linked by Jolla themselves09:38
hiyaNicd-, wow man :D itis Jolla C only09:38
hiyahttp://www.snapdeal.com/product/intex-aqua-fish-4g-16gb/656496788094#bcrumbSearch:Intel%20Aqua%20fish09:41
hiyaNicd-, ^09:41
hiyaSo much cheaper09:41
hiyaI think it could be a nice phone as a gift09:43
tadzikhmm, is that an old screenshot or does Settings have the indicators again?09:44
tillbut keep in mind that the aqua fish has a different modem than the jolla c and does not support the same lte frequencies09:45
hiyaI don't use 4G at all, only 3G09:45
hiyaor Edge09:45
hiyaI think this phone by Intex is the best option for one to try out this phone, don't you think so?09:45
tillgiven that there are no more jolla c's for sale, yes09:46
tadzikreasonable, though I wouldn't get a phone without 4g these days09:46
tillhiya which country are you from?09:47
r0kk3rzhiya: its cheap and available for sure09:47
r0kk3rzi have its cousin the Jolla C, its not a bad device really09:47
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hiyatill, I am from hong kong09:50
hiyar0kk3rz, Ok that is good news then09:50
hiyabut what about the security thing?09:52
tillhiya then it should be a good choice :) I don't know about shipping cost to hong kong, but to eu it's quite a lot. plus tax and certification issues...09:52
hiyaWe have stores selling Indian phones here09:54
hiyaYu phones from India are popular here too vs Redmi phones by Xiaomi09:54
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tillbtw I just did a quick frequency check, you might be lucky with the aqua fish's lte capabilities in hong kong09:56
r0kk3rzhiya: security thing?09:56
hiyar0kk3rz, Security features etc?09:57
r0kk3rzwhat features are you looking for?09:57
KabouikI'm interested in the sources you used to check the frequency till, I'd like to order an Intex/Jolla C to someone, and would consider the Intex if the bands are compatible in the country09:57
tillKabouik: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks_in_Asia and http://www.intex.in/mobile/smartphone/aqua-fish/specifications.html09:57
KabouikThanks09:58
tillanother source for frequency bands might be http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Prepaid_SIM_with_data09:58
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hiyar0kk3rz, Privacy guard, I am really impressed by CM10:00
hiyaCyanogenmod10:00
r0kk3rzhiya: that is an area that is sorely lacking on sailfishos, for both native apps and android ones10:02
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hiyaso it is very much primitive at this point?10:04
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r0kk3rzin some ways10:05
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M-schmittlauchThe sad thing about that is Jolla trying to promote SFOS as a "secure alternative" to Android while not even having a permission system.10:12
M-schmittlauchAccording to veskuh they have that on their list but it's probably gonna take a while.10:13
r0kk3rzits been on the list for some time10:13
r0kk3rzi expect that something like flatpak would be workable on sailfish10:14
r0kk3rzbut 'secure' has many different meanings depending on your threat model10:14
tbrand your business model10:14
LarstiQM-schmittlauch: that's more about not being tied to Google/Azure/Apple services than SELinux style security10:15
LarstiQM-schmittlauch: privacy rather than security10:15
LarstiQbut we're working on the latter10:15
hiyar0kk3rz, ok man, thanks a lot10:16
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M-schmittlauchLarstiQ: That currently causes the situation that e.g. no harbour app is allowed to access the calendar because currently the access control is "all or nothing"10:16
r0kk3rzLarstiQ: in the mean time it would be nice if the JStore listed what an app accesses, even if theres no hard permission system to back it up10:17
r0kk3rzsomething thats hand checked by harbour qa10:18
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M-schmittlauchr0kk3rz: It's very hard to check what an app actually may access, as it e.g. could get filenames over network to access. And if it normally doesn't get "/etc/passwd" as a remote argument it doesn't access the file, but it theoretically could do.10:21
r0kk3rzM-schmittlauch: obviously its not a great solution, but right now the end user has zero information about what an app access10:22
r0kk3rzeven things it does so legitimately10:22
r0kk3rzeven if that information is mostly honour based and declared by the developer10:23
LarstiQr0kk3rz: will people used to Android's (enforced) capabilities understand the difference?10:24
r0kk3rzLarstiQ: thats a good point. but given the inflated nature of the android permission lists... im not sure its a big deal10:25
TMavicatill: I am hk too10:25
TMavicahiya:10:26
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chammyhello, is there a way to root the android on jolla c / aqua fish?10:28
Bysmyyractivate developer mode10:33
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coderuschammy: no10:43
coderusno/not yet *maybe*10:43
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MoritzJTHey there - no developer here but a user. Anyone know a good site we could use to post bounties for implementation of stuff from the community, like e.g. https://www.bountysource.com/10:49
MoritzJTI'd like to make the community support implementation of certain patches and features more rapidly after a system update10:49
MoritzJTOf course discussion if you regard this as a good idea or a bad one as well!10:50
r0kk3rzMoritzJT: https://together.jolla.com/question/8695/crowdfunding-development/10:50
Bysmyyrchammy: coderus ah, I skipped android from that question :P10:51
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KabouikI figured out that the bleeps came from Simscout. It was not obvious since it happened also when the app was not in full screen, and there is no option for that, but I noticed that I get a sound at every CellId change in the history.11:27
r0kk3rzKabouik: that would do it :)11:28
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chammycoderus: thanks for your answer!11:42
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chammyjust trying to use titanium backup but it doesn't work without root11:43
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phlixi_ochammy: couldnt you just copy the folder containing the android stuff?11:47
phlixi_oseems a bit strange to me to use an android app for that11:48
chammytried but it didn't work11:49
chammymaybe I should just try again11:50
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phlixi_obut i might be the wrong person to ask for android backup stuff, i use exactly one android app, and that one has its own "backup button" (threema)11:51
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r0kk3rzi wouldnt count on titanium backup to work properly anyway11:53
tillfor android apps backup I copy/tar /data/data and /data/media, but I'm not sure if that contains all the data11:55
chammyat least it managed to take backups from my old jolla phone11:57
hamoolHello there. I have a question. Is there any limitations for Jolla C on things one can post about it? What I mean is something like pebble's developer program in which developers got new devices before the official sales started but with some restrictions (you can write blog posts about the device, but you're not allowed to take photos of certain design elements and discuss certain fearures until public release)11:57
chammyso if/when android root is possible, I can try to import11:57
Stskeepshamool: no limitations, AFAIK11:57
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