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MrChrisDruifHey guys, a was just wondering how much is working with Sailfish on the OnePlus One =)05:52
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Nicd-check here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris05:53
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MrChrisDruifNicd-: basically everything works however GPS and camera are only available through terminal or something?06:14
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Nicd-should ask #sailfishos-porters that06:14
MrChrisDruifAnd some things aren't tested yet06:14
MrChrisDruifWill do, thanks06:15
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IngvixI wonder what is taking so long to send my phone back from repair. It was already fixed on 26th08:49
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tillthe repair of my Jolla's screen last year took something like 3-4 weeks09:54
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rigo+1 here10:08
rigoactually shows how keen people are on their jolla :)10:09
rigoI still believe jolla needs to sell fairphone2 and acqua fish in their own shop, make money and pay people10:09
rigo:)10:10
Hellerigo: well, obviously rebranded versions I guess10:11
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rigosure, but rebranding would just be the icing ...10:12
* rigo is willing to help them doing the contracts :)10:13
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r0kk3rzjolla is out of the retail game10:16
tillbtw, didn't they split jolla into a software and a hardware company?10:16
tillso what is the hw part doing, if not making devices?10:17
Stskeepswell, it's probably easier to think of it as there not being a hw company10:18
Stskeepsjolla adventures until well, shit hit the fan, could have done part of that story10:18
tillso it's basically not existing anymore? at least as a phone/mobile device company?10:19
tbrthey never wanted to be in that game anyway10:19
tbrthey felt they had to, in order to showcase their capabilities10:19
Stskeepsnobody takes you serious in OS game until you've put out a certified and sellable device10:20
rigo+110:22
rigoand they will lose that recognition again10:23
zbeasnyyyou could argue that jolla c was unavoidable as a tablet disaster mitigation thing10:23
zbeasnyybut doing similar one-offs with fp2 or other phones when applicable would still make sense10:24
zbeasnyyit does improve image of the company to put out something tangible once in a while10:24
r0kk3rzzbeasnyy: i dont see it being related to the tablet, more of a nice thing to do for european community10:24
zbeasnyyyou don't want a failed kickstarter to be the last publicized event tied to your company10:25
tilli like the idea of a "nexus" device series for the community, just as the jolla c10:25
rigothe problem is to have outreach. jolla has huge outreach. It would be economically dumb not to leverage that in combination with partners10:26
zbeasnyyrigo: jolla has tiny outreach by anything resembling industry average10:26
rigoand to produce some plastic cover with jolla logo can't be r0kk3rz-science10:27
rigozbeasnyy: you have no idea10:27
rigo:) jolla has reached the multiplicators. The market will follow. Unless10:28
rigounless they stop now10:28
zbeasnyymulti what?10:28
tillintex?10:28
rigothe IETF security area director uses a jolla phone e.g.10:28
rigomany more10:29
zbeasnyyprobably a huge nerd10:29
rigopeople are fed up with google accounts10:29
rigozbeasnyy: the iphone started as a nerdy thing too10:29
zbeasnyyno it didn't10:29
zbeasnyyand there are many reasons to get jolla/sailfish, but security is not one of them10:30
rigoI believe that's what the people from nokia said at the time :)10:30
rigozbeasnyy: I'm not talking about security (my CCC-friends use old symbian or feature phones)10:31
rigozbeasnyy: I talk about the surveillance economy10:31
zbeasnyywhat else is wrong with google accounts?10:31
zbeasnyythat's a security issue10:31
rigozbeasnyy: if you don't know, IRC is not the right place to explain10:32
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zbeasnyylet's put it this way, if apps on your phone do things you don't want them to and you can't stop them, that's a security problem10:32
rigoif this is a situation by design, than you don't have a security problem, but an architecture problem and patching won't help10:33
zbeasnyythe only platform that gets close to plugging at least some of those data leaks is iOS (and, well, cyanogen)10:34
zbeasnyyrigo: security is first about design, second about patching vulnerabilities10:34
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r0kk3rzrigo: i'll have you know r0kk3rz-science is very complicated :P10:35
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rigoiOS is rather secure, but it toasts only Apple toasts. My kids laugh on those others with their iphone 6s and they are not able to exchange a piece of music by bluetooth10:40
rigoand if you root it, it is as insecure as android10:40
r0kk3rzrealistically, thats how you create a secure device, you control _everything_10:42
zbeasnyyrigo: technically, exchanging music over bluetooth is illegal (and if you own the latest iphone, you probably have a subscription for apple music or spotify, so the laugh is probably, well, misplaced)10:47
rigozbeasnyy: you want to tell me what's illegal? :)10:59
Lieke_exchanging music isn't illegal, copyright infringement is10:59
rigoLieke_: exactly ...10:59
zbeasnyyLieke_: the exact difference here being?11:00
rigonot all exchange of copyrighted work is per se illegal11:00
Hellezbeasnyy: that there is a lot of music with more open rights, listening to some right now11:00
Lieke_^11:00
zbeasnyyyes, I am pretty sure we are not talking about that kind of music here11:01
zbeasnyyneither is it about the kids' own compositions, is it?11:01
rigoand there is the exception of private use, and the lumpsum on media and ...11:01
Hellezbeasnyy: so why do we need technological measures that also prevent legal uses ?11:01
rigoand I'm only talking about Europe here11:01
rigoHelle: it is a business model on a platform you control11:02
zbeasnyyHelle: we don't need them, but laughing at someone who chooses a platform with such is stupid11:02
zbeasnyyHelle: especially so if 90+% of the usecase for not having those controls is shady at best11:02
rigozbeasnyy:  sorry for the "laughing". But I seriously doubt the 90+% you assert11:05
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rigosharing via bluetooth is the same as sharing tapes in times of tapedecks. There is an entire legal framework for that and it is exactly NOT illegal. Putting music on torrent is11:06
zbeasnyyand most importantly, technical measures are irrelevant as long as the copyright laws suck... work to get the laws fixed11:06
rigoif the rightsholder did not agree to it11:06
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zbeasnyyrigo: it is not the same, and copying tapes is also shady at best11:07
rigozbeasnyy: the biggest problem is the misunderstanding of the complex copyright law. Either people are succumbing to FUD or they ignore it. None of the options really work11:07
zbeasnyyrigo: lending tapes is much less problematic though11:08
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rigozbeasnyy: AFAIK in Europe the other way around11:08
rigolending is very problematic :)11:08
zbeasnyylending and renting is not the same thing11:08
rigoor rather renting your tape11:08
zbeasnyyyou can't rent, obviously11:09
rigoyou can, if you have a contract11:10
rigoand even take a private copy, because it is from a legal source11:10
zbeasnyyprivate copy, yes... 'private' copy for your classmates, not quite11:11
rigonot all of  them, but certainly for your friends11:13
zbeasnyythat's where things get muddy11:13
rigoand depending on where you are. French law is the strictest11:14
zbeasnyyI wouldn't rely on it in court.11:14
rigohow many times were you in court?11:14
zbeasnyynever, and I don't intend to get there11:14
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rigo:)11:14
zbeasnyylaw is treacherous, and what you think the law says is not quite relevant11:15
zbeasnyywhat you describe is nearly nowhere expressly allowed11:16
zbeasnyyit may or may not hold up11:16
rigothat's my business :)11:23
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r0kk3rzzbeasnyy: usually the law says what isnt allowed, not what is11:32
r0kk3rzso unless its expressly forbidden, its fine11:32
zbeasnyyr0kk3rz: copying as such is expressly forbidden and there are exceptions11:33
zbeasnyyso that doesn't help here11:33
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r0kk3rzyes i suppose we are talking about the abortion of justice that is moden copyright law11:37
zbeasnyyyes, I already said it sucks and needs to be fixed :)11:37
zbeasnyysome people are trying to make it suck less (Senficon), but they are a very small minority and corporate lobby is really trying hard to crush them11:38
zbeasnyy(yes, there is an EU-wide copyright reform in the works, and it doesn't look very good at this point)11:39
r0kk3rzzbeasnyy: thats because its being driven by us interests, who have the worst copyright law in the world :/11:40
zbeasnyywell, at least US has fair use which gives courageous people some room in court battles11:41
zbeasnyyUS-style copyright without fair use will be a total clusterfuck though11:41
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tillseems like the lte800 fix for jolla c is released12:13
* Armadillo searches for updates12:15
Armadillonone available :(12:16
tillhttps://together.jolla.com/questions/139603/revisions/12:16
Armadilloyeah saw it, thanks12:17
tillhave you subscribed for ea?12:17
Armadillosure12:18
Armadilloyou got the update already?12:18
tilli don't have a jolla c12:19
r0kk3rzpatience Armadillo12:19
r0kk3rzgive it 5min12:19
tilljust saw the updated tjc post while procrastinating :)12:20
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Armadillothere we go12:55
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tillgot it as well, even on jolla 113:18
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HtheBanyone from the US awake?13:42
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HtheBcoderus: the open gapps installer removed the playstore on my Jolla C14:22
HtheBany idea what I need to do to get it back?14:22
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coderusapkd-install as usually14:32
coderusafter some time icon should appear itself :D14:32
coderusi dont understand why it disappear after install and appear after some period :D14:34
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HtheBcoderus: Ok, it's probably updating something?14:41
* HtheB will wait, no problem14:41
coderusmaybe, i dont know :D14:41
HtheBcoderus: now that you're here14:42
HtheBany idea how I can get back the Software update page?14:42
HtheBafter the patchmanager update, I couldn't access the software update page anymore14:42
HtheBI've already removed patch manager and reinstalled it14:42
coderuspkcon install jolla-settings-sailfishos14:42
HtheBthanks14:42
HtheBIt worked, thanks14:44
HtheBone last question14:44
HtheBI've had "Volume control" patch, but I've accidently updated the OS before turning it off14:44
HtheBI've tried everything to get it off, but I couldn''t find the correct command14:44
HtheB(This patch: https://openrepos.net/content/alina/patch-volume-control-settings14:45
HtheBah wait, the developer replied to my message...14:46
HtheBdidnt notice it14:46
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HtheB_sigh_ didn't work :(14:51
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HtheBcoderus: Where is the apk file located at?14:52
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MoritzJTanyone successfully update to latest early access?15:02
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r0kk3rzseems to have15:05
tillyes15:07
tillalthough the "creating backup" screen hang, and i rebooted before performing the actual upgrade15:08
tillsomehow the new backup system is confused, in the first run I am asked to select a base backup out of two. when i run it again, there are four older backups which where not mentioned before15:14
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coderusupdate works fine, also patchmanager built-in unapply all patch worked perfectly :)15:22
PeperJohnnyI can't really see what's been changed with .51 except for the LTE Bug. Has anyone else spotted something?15:26
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r0kk3rzPeperJohnny: why would there be anything else?15:29
PeperJohnnyr0kk3rz: It doesn't have to. Just curious if there is something else they needed to fix urgently15:30
r0kk3rzits all the release notes says15:33
PeperJohnnyr0kk3rz: ok thank you15:34
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PeperJohnnyWell I made a diff with a cached version of tjc and they updated the Facebook API and made some other minor fixes to SIM Cards15:45
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TMavicaHtheB: It wont appear again, I have waited 1 day, so I go back lower version of opengapps, wait play store update itself, now is fine16:26
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divansantanahi all! I'm new to jolla community and sailfish community. Been dying to get a sailfish device for years. Owned the *awesome* n900. Couldn't get my hands on the N9 or Jolla1. Now, today, got the Jolla C. In South Africa. :)18:13
divansantanaHave a lot of questions... And hoping to get the device in a good state relatively quickly.18:13
divansantanaOne of many Qs, what does enabling dev mode provide exactly?18:14
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r0kk3rzdivansantana: sshd and terminal18:15
pahartikdivansantana: Unix shell access18:16
coderushttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/sections/200326837-Developer-Mode18:18
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divansantanahttps://together.jolla.com/question/14066/developer-mode-effects-on-system/18:21
divansantanacool thanks for the replies...18:22
divansantanaI need to search the standard stuff more...18:22
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attahJaaay, JC hangs in creating backup18:45
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Lieke_same happened for me on J118:54
attahWoooo! LTE!!18:56
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Stskeepswoo19:06
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attahIn case anyone was interested... AF + JC modem FW = modem crash20:02
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divansantanagetting jolla "store error" when opening the app20:46
divansantananot sure if theres issues with the online jolla store? All of a sudden. I did just install warehouse sailfish app20:47
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divansantanaGetting "general communication problem" on my jolla C when opening the jolla store. Not sure if it's the store issue or because I installed warehouse app. Anyone have any idea what I can try21:28
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phlixiprobably not what you want to hear divansantana, but you can search t2j22:18
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