#jollamobile log for Friday, 2016-10-21

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ShadowJK_cehteh, that hasselblad mod was worse than the original camera mostly, right?04:21
kimmolihttps://nexpaq.com/04:27
kimmolibluetooth connected add-on-thingy04:28
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Nicd-ShadowJK_: who says that?07:04
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AcceNicd-: Apple gets to write their own drivers and make their hardware, we mortals are at mercy of random manufacturers and their poor android drivers :/09:13
Nicd-yes, I've heard their chip designs are very good09:14
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ShadowJK_nicd iirc review bu anandtech14:43
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pabtw15:34
pais there any plan to improve the ui?15:34
paor allow alternative launchers?15:34
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coderuswriting custom launcher is somewhat possible15:37
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paah nice, is theree any such thing?15:40
palike with a quick menu15:40
paand also it would be so great if the back button wouldn't be that half dot on the top left..15:40
pabb10 is still light years ahead interface-wise15:41
coderusyou know what sfos is gesture-based, right? :D15:43
coderusback button should be removed imho and just indicator should stay15:43
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Liekeeh, i never knew you can actually click the indicator to go back15:47
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Jopeyou can also tap top right to go forward, but swiping is so much nicer15:59
Liekeyeah15:59
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phlixi_osorry, ot, but is twitter down?16:14
phlixi_oor do i have a f*ckup in my network infra?16:15
tadzikhalf the internet is down today16:15
Yanielfsvo down16:15
phlixi_omy first thouhgt amazon is down, but https://www.amazon.com/ loads for me16:15
Riotelaphlixi_o: would GitHub also happen to be down for you?16:16
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phlixi_oi dont use github, buts down for me too16:16
RiotelaI noticed Twist being down after you mentioned16:16
Yanielapparently there's a huge DDoS against a major DNS provider going on for the bigger part of the day now16:16
Tegugithub.com does not resolve. nslookup gives SERVFAIL16:16
Tegu(same for twitter.com)16:16
Yaniel(bet you it's that internet of toilets again)16:17
Tegudoes anyone happen to have a recent IP address for either of them?16:18
tadziksoon we'll keep our own dns servers16:19
phlixi_oTegu 104.244.42.193:44316:22
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phlixi_obut right now https://twitter.com/ loads just fine for me16:22
Yanielquick, scrape the DNS database16:23
phlixi_ona, enough for today... gn8 :-)16:23
YanielI should probably jot down the IP of my VPS just in case16:23
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Teguthis seemed to have a twitter.com address that nslookup gave even today http://imgur.com/gallery/AUIwzH316:24
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RiotelaDo you know if Telegram is also down? It would explain the silence of #jollafanclub16:37
Yanieljudging from the activity in an irc channel that is bridged to telegram, no16:38
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tadziktelegram's up16:40
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pdanekDo you guys think 4GB ram on android is really enough?18:57
Jopeit is in a way18:57
pdanekOr I will utilize the 6GB on my upcoming oneplus 3?18:57
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pdanekBecause 2GB on my Nexus 5 is definitely not enough18:58
Jopethe problem with android is that even if you have a lot of ram, the apps you push to the back die anyway :-D18:58
pdanekhmm18:58
Jopeso your web browser will reload everything when you flip it back to the front etc18:58
Jopejust terrible18:58
pdanekit's not just about this18:58
pdanekmy apps are crashing sometimes18:58
Jopebut this is what the public wants, or something. i don't understand why the americans are so short sighted about multitasking in phones18:58
pdanekand I blame memory18:58
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pdanekJope: the browser thing annoys me too18:59
tigeliand with all the memory leaks they have in android it really does not help even you would have 12GB of RAM18:59
Yaniels/in phones//19:00
pdanekhmm19:00
pdanekbut I mean19:00
Riotelahttp://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/eCeHjIJnVgSvdvcRxLgJVwZI - Screenshot_20161021-220023.png (81KB)19:00
pdanekfew years ago 2GB memory would be perfect19:00
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pdanekbut nowadays my nexus 5 is just not enough with 2GB for my normal use (no games)19:00
RiotelaOnePlus 3 with some weeks of use + Greenify, no idea if it helps you19:01
pdanekso having 6GB in oneplus 3 is kinda future proof for another 2 years ahead?19:01
pdanekwhen apps will get more and more hungry?19:01
* Riotela hopes so19:01
pdanekRiotela:  thanks19:01
RiotelaYou're welcome19:02
tigeliRiotela: why would you want to use something like greenify.. it just makes the background processes start over and over again19:02
pdanekRiotela: why do you use OnePlus 3?19:02
pdanekWe're Jolla only here!19:02
tigeli:D19:02
pdanekThey Took Our Jobs!19:02
Riotelatigeli: it doesn't start them unless I start the apps. I have only greenified those apps that I don't depend on and which have no excuse of running all the time and they seem to follow that logic too19:03
pdanekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_kC_bP28iQ19:03
Riotelapdanek: too old hardware and some kind of Android-depedency19:04
pdanekRiotela: my Jolla is gone as well :(19:04
Riotelahttp://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JCOGZikUjqPWvyQwTgpgzxTO - Screenshot_20161021-220410.png (188KB)19:04
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Riotelacurrently hibernated has a few dozen apps and I haven't seen them restarting by themselves. By the way I am unrooted and stock ROM19:05
Riotelapdanek: my Jolla1 works as secondary phone for people whom I do/might not want to give my main number19:05
pdanekRiotela: OnePlus has dual SIM doesn't it?19:06
pdanekall of the oneplus models actually19:06
Riotelapdanek: yes and you see me using it in the screenshots19:06
pdanekoh so you have 3 sims?19:06
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RiotelaCable connection also gave me 4G data connection that was useless for me before getting this phone and my main talk connection has only 2G and tends to cost only ~10€/month19:07
RiotelaIn two phones, yes19:07
Nicd-I have 4 GB in my Android phone and it seems to work fine19:08
pdanekhm19:09
Nicd-"Average memory use 2.3 GB"19:09
pdanekRiotela: I saw triple sim phones or even quad sim on internet19:09
pdanekbut never thought of usecases like this19:09
pdanekthis only proves that every single phone should have at least dual sim19:09
pdanekand there is no excuse19:09
RiotelaTriple SIM could be nice for people who travel abroad a lot and need data19:10
pdanekI travel a lot19:10
Nicd-I have dual SIM but only if you don't use microsd :D19:10
pdanekso I need at least dual sim19:10
Nicd-it takes the place of the second SIM19:10
pdanekthat was big reason for oneplus19:10
pdanekwe have nano sims now19:11
pdanekI'm sure it doesn't take that much space19:11
pdanekdual sim is like phone not having camera at all19:11
pdanekI mean, single sim is like phone not having camera19:11
pdanekI think it's absolutely core function19:11
pdanekand people who say they would never use it, I think they would19:12
pdanekeveryone would use it at least few times per life19:12
pdanekand price wise,... no dditional cost19:12
pdanekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utRww8-QuBw19:12
pdanekthat's 4 USD smartphone and has dual SIM!19:12
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Nicd-dunno, I have never had any use for dual SIM19:13
Nicd-our mobile contracts are good enough19:13
pdanekimage you go for vacation19:13
pdanekinstead of using your roaming data19:14
pdanekjust walk into nearest store and buy cheap prepaid card with data19:14
pdanekeveryone goes for vacation once upon a time19:14
r0kk3rzdualsim would be nice if it worked19:14
pdanekr0kk3rz: what do you mean19:15
pdanekif it worked well in Android or Sailfish?19:15
pdanekI haven't actually tested the dual SIM in Intex Aqua Fish, is it working very well?19:16
Nicd-pdanek: so rare that it's not a big issue19:16
Nicd-I just don't use the internet abroad unless there's wifi19:16
pdanekNicd-: oh ok19:16
r0kk3rzpdanek: it doesnt really work on jolla c19:16
pdanekr0kk3rz: I thought they added support, so what kind of problems does it have?19:16
r0kk3rzyeah they did, but for my usecase the second sim doesnt really stay active19:17
pdanekRiotela: is the dual sim support on OxygenOS without issues from your experience?19:18
Riotelapdanek: once it started using SIM1 (the 2G one) for some reason, but I never had any other issues and think that might be user error and data was easy to change back to SIM219:20
pdanekI thought one sim is 2G+3G19:21
pdanekand second is 2G+3G+4G19:21
pdanekis that correct?19:21
tango_9G19:21
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Riotelapdanek: I have no idea what they are other than SIM2 reports being LTE most of time while not in the middle of nowhere19:22
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RiotelaAnd WLAN connection makes the connection type symbol disappear entirely and SIM1 never tells me what is connected to and I assume it's 3G as it hasn't given me reason to think it's 2G and my contract doesn't have access to 4G network and AFAIK my carrier doesn't do calls with 4G19:23
pdanekhmm19:24
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pdanekbtw, an idea how dual SIM can be actually useful for everyone19:27
pdanekthe internet in calls + data plans is usually much more expensive19:27
pdanekif you need A LOT of data, I imagine having one data-only SIM and one sim for calls, would be better deal?19:28
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RiotelaEspecially if your ISP forces you to also take a 4G connection with the same price (and DNA was the only one with native dualstack and cable instead of DSL coming to my apartment)19:29
r0kk3rzpdanek: thats what i have, i dont really call or sms much and i can get twice the data for the same price on data only sim19:32
pdanekr0kk3rz: that would be my case as well19:33
pdanekeven most of the calls I do are calls abroad, using Skype credit to call19:33
pdanekbut I still have a need for phone number to make and receive regular calls19:33
r0kk3rzi need to be callable more than making calls myself19:33
pdanekbut the main need is data, I need at least 40GB per month19:34
r0kk3rzyeah i dont, i just thought 'hey i can dualsim, why not'19:34
pdanekand I faced in Sweden, data is much more expensive than UK or Ireland :(19:34
r0kk3rzexcept my data sim kicks off my calls sim19:35
pdanekr0kk3rz: what do you mean kicks19:35
r0kk3rzinterferes with19:35
pdanekif I am downloading at 10mbit/s speed on sim1 and at the same time I want to make a phone call on sim2, can it cause problems?19:35
pdanekis it just sailfish issue then? or does the same happen on android?19:36
r0kk3rzjolla c is dual standby, only one can actually be doing something19:36
r0kk3rzwhich is fine if someone rings me and it drops off my data19:36
r0kk3rzor i call out19:36
pdanekhmm19:36
r0kk3rzbut what im seeing is the opposite19:37
pdanekthat's not fine19:37
pdanekbecause very often when I call with someone, I need to browse / search during my phone call19:37
pdanekdamn19:37
pdanekthat kinda kills the usecase of: sim1 for data only, sim2 for calls19:37
r0kk3rzi think some phones might be able to do dual active19:38
pdanekbut then I guess 2 antennas are needed?19:38
pdanekand drains more battery?19:38
r0kk3rzprobably19:39
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pdanekr0kk3rz: but can you actually receive calls on both SIMs without manually switching between them>19:43
pdanek?19:43
pdanekI mean, can you get phone call on sim1 at 4:3019:43
pdanekand another call on sim2 5:3019:43
pdanekwithout switching anything?19:43
pdanekI used dual SIM 2 years ago19:43
r0kk3rzoften my calls sim shows no signal with my data sim active19:43
kimmoliif you dont talk too long on first call19:43
pdanekand I don't remember19:43
r0kk3rzbut if i switch, then its fine19:44
pdanekkimmoli: :D19:44
pdanekhm19:44
r0kk3rzand i have had instances where i dont get texts or people cant call me when my data sim is active19:44
kimmolii have sim1 for data/calls, sim2 incoming calls mostly19:44
r0kk3rzbut im pretty sure thats probably ofono19:44
pdanekRiotela: Did you ever face this case on oneplus?19:45
r0kk3rzpdanek: my second sim is data only, so no calls19:46
Riotelapdanek: what case? Sorry, IRL problems, if you mean data SIM preventing call and SMS, surely not19:46
pdanekRiotela: yes that's what I meant19:47
pdanekr0kk3rz: so I guess this is ofono issue then19:47
pdanekso maybe Android is more stable for dual sim than sailfish atm19:47
r0kk3rzi would expect so19:47
r0kk3rzits had it a lot longer, and on a much greater scale19:48
kimmolii haven noticed issues with my setup, onyx w. sailfish19:48
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dr_gogeta86is store down ?19:48
r0kk3rzor maybe its just shoddy intex hardware, who knows19:48
dr_gogeta86i don't think so19:49
r0kk3rzdr_gogeta86: that wasnt in reply to you :P19:49
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