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louisdkHow do I preform a btrfs filesystem check on a Jolla Phone via CLI? What command(s)? :)13:01
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kimmolihttps://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/13:12
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kimmolistart with e.g. btrfs fi show13:13
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pdanekDid anyone holded oneplus with the sandstone back/case?13:47
pdanekDo you think it's one of best materials for phone to have good grip?13:47
pdanekI still haven't tried it13:47
Marzanna[m]It has very good grip. I liked it.13:47
Nicd-I got my a battery cover for my phone \o/13:49
Nicd-but verkkokauppa.com told me it has QI charging and it doesn't :| hopefully they'll give me a discount13:50
pdanekNicd-: I didn't get that13:50
pdanekCan you rephrase please?13:50
pdanekYou have sandstone on your battery cover?13:50
pdanek:D13:50
Nicd-no13:50
Nicd-it was unrelated13:50
pdanekOh ok! :D13:50
Nicd-just related to back covers13:50
pdanekyep13:51
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pdanek1Riotela: here?15:53
RiotelaMau15:54
Riotelapdanek1:?15:56
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pdanek1oh, I think nothing anymore :D16:05
pdanek1Riotela: I was wondering on which security patch level is your OnePlus 316:05
pdanek1if September one or already October one16:05
Riotelahttp://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/KeJTWgSScvybYltnBNdgAmqr - Screenshot_20161022-190638.png (102KB)16:06
Riotelahttp://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/WSrVYjHNOaKirJEZEelButcI - Screenshot_20161022-190616.png (108KB)16:06
Riotelapdanek1:16:06
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pdanek1Riotela: that's bad16:17
RiotelaSo I thought, but it's Android so I don't have so high expectations. Mobile and security seem mutually exclusive.16:18
pdanek1Riotela: Unless you use Nexus or Pixel device16:23
pdanek1they're most secure16:23
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RiotelaAnd most expensive16:23
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Marzanna[m]Has anyone tried to compile kernel from sources to make usb host work?16:35
Nicd-Marzanna[m]: in which device?16:36
Marzanna[m]Nicd-: JollaC/AquaFish16:36
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tbrMarzanna[m]: we looked into it for SbJ and it was a clusterf*ck. I'd be surprised to hear Aquafish being easier.16:42
tbrID pin not wired and otg state machine complicated and maybe even partly done in HW16:43
coderuswhy not recompile kernel to get  magnetometer working?16:44
pdanek1Riotela: have you thought of switching to the beta releases?16:45
kimmoliC/fish has also no ID pin..16:45
pdanek1Riotela: http://downloads.oneplus.net/oneplus-3/oneplus_3_oxygenos_3.5.4_community_build/16:47
pdanek1It should have security patches much more often.16:50
pdanek1you flash your device with this community beta16:50
pdanek1and then you will be receiving regular updates16:50
pdanek1don't be fooled by the community in the name, it's simply beta update channel of official OxygenOS,16:51
Riotelapdanek1: no17:06
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RiotelaI want to stay stock/stable/unrooted/etc. as long as officially supported17:13
pdanek1Riotela: rooting oneplus doesn't break warranty17:16
pdanek1and installing this beta rom doesn't  break warranty either17:16
Riotelabut does break OTA updates AFAIK17:16
pdanek1https://oneplus.net/uk/support/answer/will-rooting-or-unlocking-the-bootloader-void-my-warranty17:17
pdanek1The technical process of rooting or unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty of a OnePlus device.17:17
pdanek1rooting may break some OTA, true17:17
pdanek1but if you install this beta OxygenOS17:17
pdanek1you will be getting OTAs from OnePlus17:17
pdanek1but instead of every 1-2 months17:17
pdanek1you will be getting OTA every 2 weeks :)17:18
Riotelabut this beta ROM probably won't be just upgrade and let everything stay in it's place17:18
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pdanek1everything that's comming to the official OTA, will be sooner in beta rom17:18
pdanek1they said that they have 3 update channels:17:19
pdanek1closed beta17:19
pdanek1open beta17:19
pdanek1and official stable17:19
pdanek1closed beta has maybe 4 releases per month17:19
pdanek1open beta around 2 releases17:19
pdanek1and official update every 1-2 months17:19
Riotelarewording: this ROM probably will remove everything from my device requiring me to go through the effort of installing and configuring everything the way I want it to be again?17:20
pdanek1it's the same thing as early access releases on SailfishOS17:20
pdanek1Riotela: yes that's true, you will have to do this effort indeed17:21
pdanek1but once you do it, you can stick to it and receive OTA updates on this beta rom17:21
Riotelanothing got removed with EA of SfOS as far as I can remember17:21
pdanek1yes, because on SFOS you just enable it17:21
pdanek1here you have to reflash with beta rom17:21
pdanek1it's not perfect, but definitely nice option I would say17:22
RiotelaI am not able to go through the process of reinstalling and reconfiguring everything currently.17:22
pdanek1yep17:22
pdanek1btw guys here, are you happy with early access releases? or do you find it unstable?17:22
r0kk3rzits no more or less stable than regular sfos updates17:27
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Liekenever had a serious problem with them since they introduced early access17:30
Riotelathe instructions seem too simple and it's tempting, but I am on Windows which is worrying and the file downloads slowly and it's late and I am currently recovering from surgery and would appreciate things being stable and not needing too much configuration especially if they are my primary phone or ebook reader17:39
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r0kk3rzwtf, turing actually sent out 24k gold plated sailfish phones17:45
Yanielwat?17:47
Yanielthey actually claim to have done something?17:47
r0kk3rzYaniel: they've sent out 'evaluation' phones17:47
Yaniel24k 'evaluation' phones? seems legit17:48
r0kk3rzone of which is this garish looking thing called gladr17:48
r0kk3rzi just assumed it was pretend gold, but apparently its actual gold17:48
kimmoliis the blinbling intended to fool the user?17:49
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pdanek1Riotela: yes, in general rooting or flashing onepluses was always simple17:49
r0kk3rzYaniel: regardless of the 'evaluation' status, these appear to be real phones really running sailfish17:49
pdanek1and all onepluses, including those sold in carrier stores, have unlocked bootloader17:49
Yanielwell, that's something17:49
pdanek1Turing phone :O17:50
Riotelapdanek: I mostly have experience with Samsung and that wasn't so fun.17:50
Yanieldo you have any sources on this?17:50
pdanek1http://www.androidheadlines.com/2016/10/24k-gold-turing-phones-start-shipping-taiwan.html17:51
pdanek1"the user confirmed that the device does sport a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 processor paired up with 32GB of RAM"17:51
pdanek132GB of RAM :D17:51
pdanek1I guess it should be 3GB17:52
pdanek1anyway snapdragon 820, nice17:52
Yaniel:D that's some sick specs17:52
pdanek1so Turing may be legitimate company after all17:53
pdanek1and they will be the true flagship of Sailfish OS17:54
r0kk3rzfor some definitions of legitimate17:54
pdanek1"A 5.5 -inch 1920 x 1080 panel on the front of the device does a fine job  of balancing image quality and battery life, and makes the device just  good enough for VR use."17:54
pdanek1VR on Sailfish!17:54
pdanek1"It’s plain to see that the device runs Sailfish OS 2.0, but a heavily modified version for security."17:55
pdanek1so SailfishOS is pain for most, hmm17:55
pdanek1oh, plain17:55
pdanek1not pain :D17:55
r0kk3rzpdanek1: 'plain to see' is another way of saying obvious17:57
r0kk3rzrather than 'oh how plain'17:57
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pdanek1I know17:58
pdanek1I just read pain before :)17:58
pdanek1the Turing phone should be waterproof also17:59
RiotelaDoes it still feature the headphone jack? :P18:00
pdanek1nope18:00
pdanek1due to security18:00
pdanek1although I don't understand how analog output can affect security18:01
Riotelait can affect waterproofness, no idea on security18:01
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r0kk3rzit was originally supposed to be an android super secure crypto cypher phone thing18:04
r0kk3rzim sure the random power connector and lack of headphone jack are supposed to lend credence to that18:04
pdanek1r0kk3rz: and it isn't super secure crypto cypher phone thing?18:07
r0kk3rzits supposed to be18:08
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RiotelaEither that community build is bloat or it didn't touch my apps & data19:02
Riotelahttp://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/dtawwHlBayWMQOiotdHuiwOI - VectorImage_2016-10-22_100230.jpg (76KB)19:02
RiotelaJolla1 camera + Riot is horrible combination19:03
pdanek1Riotela: you flashed it?19:03
pdanek1that didn't take long :D19:03
Riotelapdanek1: yes, but Windows was Windows and I had to carry it to somekindofLinuxPrintServerThing from 2006 which actually worked unlike Windows that made me wait forever to complain about connection problem19:06
Riotelahttp://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JTTyEnTZeQNkhZIxOfcfmqsY - VectorImage_2016-10-22_100638.jpg (255KB)19:06
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pdanek1Riotela: lol19:16
pdanek1so you flashed it and your apps and data are restored same as before?19:16
RiotelaIt downloaded that Android Studio thing for hour while apt took two minutes if even that for android-tools-adb19:17
pdanek1:D19:17
pdanek1but is it done now?19:17
pdanek1all running?19:17
pdanek1does it behave stable?19:17
pdanek1or any bugs?19:17
Riotelapdanek1: I followed the instructions and FAQ said that in some situations data loss isn't neesed and I think this is thay case optimizing 155 of 18519:17
pdanek1yep19:18
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pdanek1my nexus 5 is in bad state now19:18
pdanek1it often breaks19:18
pdanek1can't start19:18
pdanek1and then it like automatically reovers the OS19:18
pdanek1and starts the same thing: optimizing applications19:19
pdanek1and I get everything back as before, but you need to wait long to get this finished19:19
Riotela:(19:19
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Riotelahttp://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/NlLAHmUUunhBtgTBhmrPrTAH - Screenshot_20161022-222413.png (107KB)19:25
pdanek1Riotela: everything works fine?19:30
Riotelapdanek1: only issue I can see is nltificaton bar being invisible in Settings (see screenshot)19:32
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RiotelaFixed by changing system theme to dark. It also changed notification sounds19:33
pdanek1right19:34
pdanek1Riotela: so for now you're gonna stick with beta ROM19:34
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Riotelahttp://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/IeVUspxnVaiUokQnwLeSasEb - Screenshot_20161022-223657.png (76KB)19:38
RiotelaA new nice update screen. Now if I figured out how to stop complaining about data usage warning (I tethered the ROM download and macOS Sierra)19:38
pdanek1hehe19:39
RiotelaBy swiping it to right -.-19:40
* Riotela starts disappearing to bed, night19:44
pdanek1gnight19:49
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yrjohi, I just broke my jolla1 so I need a new sailfish phone but I live in France, what are my options?23:30
cehtehnot much23:42
Marzanna[m]JollaC and Intex AquaFish. There are also community ports to another devices but lack android support and other things.23:44
cehtehyou may find used jolla1 on ebay or so23:45
cehtehhttp://www.ebay.de/itm/Jolla-C-Smartphone-Jolla-Tablet-32GB-Latsu-Cover-/20168292191823:45
cehtehwahaha23:45
cehtehi think for 400Eur i'd sell my jolla1 too :D23:46
yrjothis is sad :(23:50
cehtehthere are no sailfish OS phones offically available in europe currently23:51
cehtehjolla C is sold out, maybe you can ebay one, Aquafish is only available in india, maybe you can import one23:52
cehtehthe community ports lack android support and other features, otherwise Fairphone 2 would be nice but pretty expensive too23:52
yrjoI heard bad stories about importing aquafish since it lacks CE23:53
cehtehand FP2 is on backlog, sold out, they producing a new batch i tihnk23:53
cehtehjolla C is a rebranded aquafish23:53
cehtehthat should have CE23:53
Marzanna[m]You  can try to buy JollaC here https://buyon.ru/1285496/jolla-c-16gb-krasnyy-dual-sim-4g-lte-3g/23:54
cehtehon german ebay are a few23:54
yrjoit says that it's unavailable23:55
cehtehbut i totally agree, the lack of devices is very very sad23:55
Marzanna[m]yrjo: my gf bought it there despite unavailable status.23:56
cehtehwhat did it cost?23:57
Marzanna[m]Around 240 USD23:58
* cehteh brought a moto X few days ago for his wife .. with marshmallow android improved a lot, actually i feel it is much more useable than it was years ago (coindidently the task switcher works a bit like SFOS etc)23:58
Marzanna[m]I bought AquaFish from ebay.in It was much cheaper.23:58
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cehtehi hope my jolla1 will last, but in the current situation i would consider an android instead some crippled jolla device23:59
cehtehyes aquafish is cheao 180Eur or so23:59
cehtehbut its specs are not that good either23:59

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