#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2016-11-30

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dyce[m]does the intex aquafish support the basic bands for US usage?02:14
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jayauraI knoa for sure that 2.0.4 doesn't support VoLTE06:15
jayauraPeople in india are unhappy including me are disappointed because they operator in the country doesn't support fallback. they mandate Volte support. i can only use it for data access, calls not working06:17
jayauras/are/and06:17
jayauraBecause the new operator06:18
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jayauraDamn i hate the two keybords - the default sailfish one and dolphin06:19
jayauraSimply unproductive06:19
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pp_urgh :-) VoLTE probably isn't exactly trivial to implement (ok, SIP over SCTP or whatnot)06:44
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larstiqjayaura: Jio?07:22
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jayauralarstiq: yes, Reliance Jio07:55
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r0kk3rzjayaura: ooi, did you expect it would have volte out of the box?08:41
larstiqr0kk3rz: it not having gsm is perhaps a bit unexpected08:42
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r0kk3rzlarstiq: sure. and perhaps it was oversight on intex's part to release a phone missing a critical feature08:47
r0kk3rzi'm just curious as to the expectation08:47
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jayaurar0kk3rz: Expecting VoLTE support on a 4G supported handset - that is not too much of an expectation, is it? Afterall, its a phone. It must have the capabilities of one. All the OS and productivity stuff should come afterwards, IMHO.09:08
jayauraSure Jio not deciding to support a fallback could be an unexpected move09:08
Stskeepsit's expected they were able to fallback yes09:10
Stskeepsjayaura: volte isn't obligatory on 4g, it came out after 4g modems09:10
jayauraStskeeps: I didnt know that. so thats why it became an options software feature09:16
Stskeepsqualcomm first made the support quite late09:16
jayauraoptional*09:16
jayauraStskeeps: and they made it in a platform dependent manner or so ?09:18
jayauraI mean the OS09:18
r0kk3rzjayaura: ive had a bunch of 4g handsets, never one with Volte, but the indian market is a bit different09:18
r0kk3rzjayaura: so the answer is "yes, i expected it to have volte" then09:19
jayaurar0kk3rz: nobody would have cared about VoLTE if Jio permitted fallback.09:19
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Stskeepsyou can probably blame the market, too09:20
Stskeepsfallback is easy and a easy business case, but if the 3g/2g networks refuse to service jio09:20
Stskeepsthen fallback won't happen09:20
Stskeepsthey complained to communications regulator over jio too didn't they?09:21
jayauraStskeeps: i dont think you can complain the market. most users are satisfied with a 4G 'label'. Very few dig  into the reality, especially in india where most of the users are 'laymans'.09:23
jayauraI think the public's complaint on Jio  was because of some tariff/offer issue09:23
r0kk3rzjayaura: sure, but perceptions matter. and if the perceived failure is sailfish then rightful or not thats something to address09:23
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jayaurar0kk3rz: indeed.09:30
jayauraStskeeps:  about the fallback, Reliance already had GSM networks. So even if other 3g/2g network operators disagreed to cooperate, they could have still done it.09:31
StskeepsJio is 4G-only AFAIK09:31
jayaurayes exactly09:32
Stskeepssure you don't mean relcomm or which09:32
jayauraReliance (RCOM) itself is another 2g/3g provider with decent coverage all over india09:32
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jayauraI think you may know - In september when Jio was launched, they made the services free until Dec 31, so there are lots of people wanting to try it out.09:40
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TMavicaSailfish os running in Smartwatch will announce soon14:06
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r0kk3rzTMavica: hah pull the other one14:12
TMavicaSami show his sailfish smartwatch in front of Amanda Lam14:14
r0kk3rzyou sure it wasnt an asteroidos watch?14:21
TMavicaI dont know14:25
r0kk3rzthat said, it really wouldnt be hard to do up a swishy silica homescreen for asteroidos14:25
mornfalla steroid os?14:28
Nicd-specially tailored for norwegian skiers14:28
larstiqNicd-: ouch14:28
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r0kk3rzmornfall: hehe, think nemomobile for smartwatches14:33
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tadzikNicd-: duuuuude :D15:00
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r0kk3rzheh direct flight SF to helsinki, straight over the top15:13
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HartziNicd-: nailed it!15:33
locusfr0kk3rz: sf?15:41
r0kk3rzlocusf: san francisco15:42
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r0kk3rzlocusf: https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish/status/80388422874002227215:49
locusfr0kk3rz: hahah15:49
locusfr0kk3rz: ping me if you wanna hang around in hki?15:53
SfietKonstantinWr0kk3rz: hihihi15:54
SfietKonstantinWTMavica: do you have a photo of that smartwatch ?15:54
TMavica@SfietKonstantinW: no15:56
TMavicaNot consumer ready, just for demo15:57
SfietKonstantinWTMavica: :(15:57
r0kk3rzwhats up SfietKonstantinW15:58
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TMavicaShe havent take, but it is here16:00
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SfietKonstantinWr0kk3rz: at work :)16:09
SfietKonstantinWotherwise, quite happy :)16:09
TMavicahttp://www.iltasanomat.fi/digitoday/art-2000004888414.html16:25
TMavicaSailfish smartwatch16:27
r0kk3rzi wonder if they will ever sell such a thing16:28
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SfietKonstantinWhonestly ?16:47
SfietKonstantinWit looks good16:47
SfietKonstantinWso why not ?16:47
r0kk3rzbecause jolla isnt selling much of anything these days?16:49
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SfietKonstantinWr0kk3rz: Jolla sells OS, not phones17:44
SfietKonstantinWso if the OS can go everywhere, it's a +17:44
SfietKonstantinW(cf tablet)17:44
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r0kk3rzSfietKonstantinW: sure, but that doesnt mean anyone want to create a watch we can actually buy17:49
SfietKonstantinWr0kk3rz: ask kido17:49
SfietKonstantinWah kido's not here17:49
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r0kk3rzyes id be surprised if this isnt an asteroidos skin17:54
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TMavicaI dont like smartwatch personally18:10
Stskeepsi'm waiting for my sailfishos exocortex18:13
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kimmoliexofishbone18:39
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lpotterthe watch looks interesting, except I don't wear a watch19:08
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Teguhm, jolla store is not responding..19:57
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pketoTegu: not responding?20:23
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Tegupketo: I mean, it does not load. the category names are visible but the indicator is just spinning20:31
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pketoTegu: that's weird... seems to work fine for me21:52
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Teguwebsites and this irc work, though, so it shouldn't be the connection in general21:53
Teguok now it loaded21:53
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Teguearlier I tried to wait for some time and also restart the app21:54
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