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MelodyPhi01:41
tiwakeponies01:43
MelodyPhttps://openrepos.net/content/fooxl/zutuntxt does anyone know if this is open source?01:44
MelodyPi kindof assumed so by it being hosted on a site called openrepos01:45
MelodyPbut there is no mentioning of any source01:45
tiwakeIunno01:47
MelodyPgotta say Jolla feels kindof like a bummer on the foss-side01:47
MelodyPbut i love everything still working smoothely, even without $HIP_APP_OF__THE_WEEK01:48
tiwakeI like it not trying to connect with every internet service out there01:48
MelodyPtnd (and perhaps contribute to) the source of something as useful as a todo.txt app on jolla01:50
MelodyPthat too01:50
tiwakeopen source means I can either build it for something else, modify it to do something I need to do, or fix something that is broken...01:50
MelodyPthough i was bummed by facebook killing xmpp01:50
tiwakeI'm honestly too busy to do any of those for a cellphone, so *shrug*01:50
MelodyPbecause facebook integration got some of my friends jealous01:50
tiwakefacebook is for plebs01:51
tiwake:301:51
MelodyPyeah, but it was a half decent xmpp service that happened to contain damn-near everyone i knew01:51
MelodyPit was integrated into jolla's texting ui01:52
MelodyPmaking it texting on another backend from a ui perspective01:52
MelodyPand removing the nuissance of facebook itself01:53
MelodyPthough that's probably exactly why facebook killed XMPP01:53
MelodyPalso, some people post their number on facebook, making contact integration really nice; complete with picture01:55
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MelodyPi like the idea of facebook as a convenient store of contact data and xmpp service01:56
MelodyPthey should just ditch the website tbh01:56
MelodyPmaybe just output facebook timelines in xml01:58
MelodyPnative apps can always do a better app displaying it.01:59
MelodyPs/app/job01:59
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knighthawkHello any jolla device admins around?13:32
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jwalckknighthawk: who would be a jolla device admin? I'm the admin of my own jolla devices:)14:38
knighthawkYeah mate but i have a question for the device makers if available , but the question format was wrong for sure :)14:40
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jwalckknighthawk: I'd try submitting to the jolla support, the best way to get in contact with jolla in my experience14:42
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knighthawkI did recently ... I thought i might find them here too, a live chat get faster responses and would cover everything i want to ask, without the hustle of send and receive etc ....14:45
tiwakeponies.14:49
r0kk3rzknighthawk: just ask your questions, mostly likely people can offer some kind of answer14:50
r0kk3rzwhether jolla employees or otherwise14:50
knighthawkHey mate :) you are here too14:50
knighthawkMy question is actually about the process of buying the device, availability, as on the store says it is out of stock, can i actually get the jolla c rather than the main device itself, future devices, is there a new device on the making? A jolla 900 maybe ....14:54
knighthawkIs there an option to add a physical keyboard using bluetooth?14:55
r0kk3rzdevice availability is a tricky subject at the moment15:00
r0kk3rzthe short answer is there isnt any15:00
r0kk3rzi think theres a few aquafishes left but you have to buy them from india15:00
knighthawkAnd in india are they made by the jolla team themselves and shipped there?15:02
r0kk3rzno, they are made by intex an indian manufacturer15:02
r0kk3rzfwiw the jolla c was also made by intex15:03
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aknighthawkthat's me from my pc now as my mobile battery is dying atm,15:05
aknighthawkand the jolla C is available there for purchase? and what about the device quality? do i expect something same as original or something like a chinese replica?15:06
tiwakecollaC is just an aquafish isnt it?15:07
tiwake*jollaC15:07
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r0kk3rzno, jolla c's are finished15:07
r0kk3rzaquafish is very very similar15:07
r0kk3rzalmost identical15:07
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tiwakeaknighthawk: I have an intex aquafish, its pretty nice after using it for my first week15:09
r0kk3rzquality is not too bad, better than I expected for a 100 eur device15:09
tiwakepretty much15:10
aknighthawkr0kk3rz, with sailfish os also?15:10
tiwakethe intex aquafish ships with sailfishOS only15:10
r0kk3rzaknighthawk: of course, otherwise i wouldnt have mentioned it15:11
aknighthawktiwake, r0kk3rz I'll give it a look15:11
aknighthawktiwake, r0kk3rz and we are talking same specs as the Jolla ?15:12
aknighthawkr0kk3rz, back to Jolla do you know if there will be other device releases or maybe a new device line ?15:13
tiwakea russian company is making such a device I guess15:13
r0kk3rznot from jolla directly, there was a hint recently about another community device like the jolla c15:14
r0kk3rzbut who knows15:14
aknighthawkso Jolla itself stand silent for the time been? r0kk3rz15:15
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aknighthawktiwake, any hint or device name?15:15
r0kk3rzsilent? not really, its been known for at least a year that jolla does not make devices15:15
tiwakeheh yeah15:16
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aknighthawkr0kk3rz, :) I thought since i found out all this recently, that all this is recent :D I must be out of date same as the N90015:17
aknighthawktiwake, name pls :)15:17
r0kk3rzjolla phone has been on the market for like 3 years?15:18
r0kk3rzand the possible russian future device is called the Oysters SF15:19
aknighthawkr0kk3rz, 3 years? wow I am out of date same as the N900 lol, was not looking back then because my time was so tight, working near 18 hours a day 6 days a week for the last 4 years of my life,15:21
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phlixithat is too much15:24
aknighthawkr0kk3rz, so I was not really that interested of what device I held, now i have more free time, so it was not until a month ago I rooted unlocked my android systems and started to feel what I missed from my n900, during this time Iphone served me well as a mobile device without involving any geek attempts.15:25
aknighthawklol where did my sentence gone, that is missing some parts :D15:26
aknighthawkit was not before a month I rooted ....15:26
aknighthawkphlixi, because ... reasons :D15:27
phlixisure, there are always reasons, its too much never the les :-)15:27
r0kk3rzeach to their own, i hope you got paid well for that effort15:27
aknighthawkr0kk3rz, well it was worth it, this is how I got my own house :) and off course my family house too :D15:28
aknighthawkphlixi, like i said for r0kk3rz it was worth it ...15:29
aknighthawkr0kk3rz, so russian device is not yet on sale, pyra is not yet on sale the original jolla is out of stock neo900 is not what i want ... fuck am still 3 years out of date lol15:31
attahIs google cast broken for anyone else since the update to google home?15:34
attahbah! it's just on my Jolla C that got updated apparently.. the J1 still seems to work15:36
attahbtw.. where are the android runtime log located?15:38
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attahscratch all that.. it was the wifi that had crashed and looked like it was connected but wasn't, found that out by trying to ssh in15:40
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pdanekHello guys16:08
pdanekAny news about Jolla?16:09
pdanekOr new rumored hardware partnerships?16:09
pdanekHow do you see the future of Sailfish?16:09
r0kk3rzthe future is being bankrolled by the russian government16:11
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Hellecool, so we get FSB surveillance instead of NSA16:14
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r0kk3rzwho knows16:18
r0kk3rzit would seem that open sourcing is a core part of their plans16:19
HelleReminds me, I need to try on my new tablet if I can make SailfishOS run on it16:19
r0kk3rzHelle: what did you get?16:19
knighthawkr0kk3rz, I just checked both the oyster sf and the aquafish, and sent both a message, but am not sure if the Russians will actually give me any reply, as far as I know Russians have some sort of strict policies regarding exports, not sure if this was lighten up now .16:20
Heller0kk3rz: CHUWI HiBook Pro16:20
Heller0kk3rz: which comes with Android/Windows 10 dual boot and can boot from USB sticks16:20
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Helleso a lot of options for interesting tinkering16:20
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r0kk3rzah cherry trail thing, cool16:22
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Heller0kk3rz: yeah, it seemed like the most reasonable choice16:23
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r0kk3rzlooks fairly nice actually16:24
Heller0kk3rz: look at their Hi 10 line aswell if you are pondering them16:24
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Helleyou can get a little cheaper16:24
Hellebut the 2560x1600 screen appealed to me16:25
Helle(and I don't need pen support)16:25
r0kk3rzim not really in the market anymore, i bought an android tablet to put sailfish on16:25
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Heller0kk3rz: for me it was, I need a tablet with well connected keyboard (nothing just a wimpy cover) with Android16:25
r0kk3rzyeah i wasnt to concerned about the keyboard16:26
Hellefor me that was the big deal16:26
r0kk3rzbut, try and boot ubuntu or something on it, and if that works ok then sailfish should be easy16:26
knighthawkr0kk3rz, looks like also a turing device is gonna be out with sailfish OS16:26
HelleI carry this one in my purse16:26
Helleit's my "emergency use" laptop essentially16:27
Helleand just entertainment and reference machine16:27
HelleI have a more normal laptop if I need a bigger screen, etc16:28
Hellebut I turn out to really like the netbook formfactor16:28
r0kk3rzknighthawk: maybe. thats an ongoing saga16:28
HelleI need to use some of my contacts and talk to some Fairphone people16:29
knighthawkr0kk3rz, that phone looks amazing .... and those specs beats anything out there16:29
Hellesee what it would take to get them to assist with a Fairphone 2 with SailfishOS officially16:29
HelleI am sure I know someone who knows them16:29
Hellecity is small enough :P16:30
r0kk3rzHelle: im not sure theres more anyone can do on that front, fp is good friends with jolla, we did a good device adaptation for them16:31
r0kk3rzits all ready to roll should they choose to sell it16:32
Heller0kk3rz: I am more thinking seperate company/brand to deal with that16:32
Heller0kk3rz: where FP is basically just the HW supplier for that brand16:33
r0kk3rzHelle: yes they might be interested in that kind of arrangement, who knows16:34
HelleI mean it removes them from having to officially support SailfishOS, which I think is a big worry16:35
r0kk3rzyeah it seems they dont want the overhead of multiple SKUs and support required16:37
knighthawkr0kk3rz, I just subscribed to their pre-order list as it is closed now, I hope I will be on the list soon my god that darkwyvern is something out of this world16:37
r0kk3rzknighthawk: dont hold your breath, like i said its an ongoing saga. but some devices were shipped to people16:38
Heller0kk3rz: exactly, well, I mean it is a tiny team in a tiny office in Amsterdam, I am hardly surprised16:38
r0kk3rzHelle: they're good guys, i like what they're doing16:39
Helleyep16:39
HelleI've met them once briefly at an event in town16:39
r0kk3rzyes i met a few of them when they came to london, and again at fosdem last year16:41
Hellebut basically, I think they are the best chance for SailfishOS hardware because they seem to be dedicated to making stuff availible in the long run, instead of making disposable phones16:42
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knighthawkr0kk3rz, do you know what was the price tag?16:43
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r0kk3rzknighthawk: megabux, pushing 600-700 eur16:45
knighthawkr0kk3rz, looks fair price for this beauty ... am amazed and with a sailfish OS16:46
r0kk3rzyeah but the little things... like no headphone jack16:47
mornfallit's just a phone knighthawk ...16:47
r0kk3rzand their weird power connector whatsit16:47
r0kk3rzand that the company might have just gone bankrupt16:47
knighthawkr0kk3rz, Oh ....16:48
r0kk3rzand their blatantly inflated ideas for the next devices16:48
mornfallwell, even the advertised properties of the current one are way off16:48
knighthawkmornfall, explain please ...16:49
mornfallultra-secure my ass16:50
r0kk3rzknighthawk: but anyway, right now none of that matters as you cant give them any money even if you wanted to. so i guess keep an eye out16:50
mornfallknighthawk: and its durability is also way overblown, see eg. https://www.reddit.com/r/turing_tech_support/comments/56actc/two_months_with_turing_dark_wyvern_in_pictures_as/ (and other posts over there)16:52
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knighthawkr0kk3rz mornfall  oh man that was a nice one to look at ... different and with sailfish16:53
knighthawkmornfall, oh I see what you mean looking at the link16:55
mornfalllol, just look at their facebook page16:56
knighthawkmornfall, so it is nothing as the inflated advertisement they are making ...16:57
mornfall“because of an inability of turing to pay its business partners, turing can no longer use this page to communicate with its customers and fans”16:57
mornfallknighthawk: of course not... what did you expect?16:57
knighthawkmornfall, a titanium solid phone lol16:57
Hellemornfall: fun times16:57
knighthawkoh man back to point 016:58
r0kk3rzit's been said that turing have told jolla to pay no attention to the facebook page16:59
mornfallr0kk3rz: what would *you* say to your other business partner in that situation? :)16:59
r0kk3rzmornfall: exactly16:59
mornfallespecially when you are a habitual liar...17:00
mornfallI find it rather amazing that any TRI devices shipped at all, to be honest17:00
r0kk3rzquite17:02
Hellemhm, same17:03
knighthawktbh looking at you both talking make me also wonder if it was actually shipped to pre buyers17:03
HelleI didn't expect anything of them17:04
r0kk3rzknighthawk: some pre-release devices got shipped, not sure how many17:05
r0kk3rzrecipients were told that the proper version would follow17:06
mornfallknighthawk: well, the photos of a chipping turing phone came from somewhere, and you can be sure as hell it wasn't from TRI17:06
mornfallanyway, sorry for the cold shower, but I guess it's better to get one *before* shelling out €500+17:09
knighthawkactually it makes me wonder .. I mean a beautiful device that will attract a good buyers with so much potentials ... and "great" specs ... it is a shame it turned out to be the way it is ... and don't worry mate, am used to cold showers even in the coldest days of the year :D17:14
r0kk3rzknighthawk: they bought an old Nokia factory in Salo .fi, so who knows, time will tell17:17
knighthawkOk so now lets wait and see if i will have any response from the russians or indians17:17
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knighthawkr0kk3rz, i miss nokia days tbh17:18
tiwakeenh17:18
knighthawkr0kk3rz, it was the leading in the mobile industry ...17:18
tiwakeempires rise and fall17:18
knighthawktiwake, the phone designed was beautiful17:19
knighthawkdesigns17:19
tiwakeknighthawk: I know, I have a N90017:19
r0kk3rzknighthawk: yeah but they screwed up their lead, which is a whole other saga17:20
knighthawktiwake, not just the n900 :) i had many Nokia phones e90 was the latest I guess or the N900 cannot remember but the devices were beautiful17:20
tiwakenokia's crowning achievement was probably the N900, USA's crowning achievement was landing on the moon... I cant wait for what will happen in the future17:21
knighthawkr0kk3rz, yes and when microsoft stopped all open source projects17:21
tiwakeSpaceX and Tesla motors are right up there17:21
r0kk3rztiwake: USAs crowning achievement is the internet, then maybe landing on moon17:22
knighthawktiwake, yes I believe so too, as symbian by that time was falling way behind17:22
tiwaker0kk3rz: its because of the apollo space program though... computer systems were developed and solidified because of it17:22
r0kk3rztrue enough17:23
tiwakethough the "internet" was mostly started from a WW2 throwback17:23
tiwakemuch like the microwave17:23
tiwakethe apollo space program had to move 30 years of research into 10 years17:23
tiwakeand deliver a product17:24
tiwakeoh man, that was a beautiful time17:24
r0kk3rzyeah the cold war was amazing :)17:24
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tiwakethe threat for survival really pushes a lot of people in gear, and so much was developed from the apollo space program because of that threat17:25
tiwakebut I digress17:26
tiwakethe future is what is important, regardless of the current set of empires17:26
knighthawkwe have a saying here "the need is the mother of inventions"17:26
knighthawkbut am not gonna invent my cellphone :)17:27
r0kk3rzknighthawk: why not? its never been easier17:27
tiwakethere are too many other important things to do than worry about my cellphone17:27
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knighthawktiwake, not for me at the time been, at least17:28
tiwakethen again, my focus is getting hardware and software systems to be friendly17:28
knighthawki was away from the whole world for at least 4 years17:29
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knighthawknow am back with enthusiasm :) and have had it with my new devices, i wan something different like the N900 was for me17:30
knighthawkI am even considering a Pyra :)17:31
tiwakeit will be a few years before I can really set my environment up to facilitate my abilities the best17:31
tiwakeneed to get machines, build controllers for them, need three phase power, a nice thick slab of cement and a roof over all of it17:32
knighthawktiwake, sounds like a plan :)17:33
r0kk3rztiwake: i wish i had my own machine shop too17:33
tiwakeafter all that, then I can really delve into everything17:33
tiwaker0kk3rz: I've been a machinist for 11 years now... and really enjoy about 85% of what I do for work17:34
tiwakebut my abilities extend much further than a machine shop... kinda need my own machine shop to show those other things off17:34
r0kk3rztiwake: what would you build?17:35
tiwakerobotics17:35
r0kk3rzsounds fun17:36
tiwaker0kk3rz: I'd like to build something similar to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cIuuplWRIQ17:36
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tiwakemaybe sell it as a product, only more violin-ish style17:36
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tiwakebut enh... there are tons of stuff that could be done.. aside from that I donno17:38
tiwaker0kk3rz: "why not? its never been easier"17:39
kimmolitiwake: do you think you should first learn to play instrument by yourself, before you make a robot playing such?17:48
tiwakekimmoli: I have a violin and can play it17:48
tiwakebut I stopped taking lessons because it would be easier for me to build a robot to do what I want than for me to practice until I can do what I want17:49
tiwakelike... a lot easier17:49
tiwakelol17:49
kimmoli;)17:50
kimmolimy daughter plays violin, and i have tried a couple of times. i can make few notes17:50
tiwakefor the first 6months I had the violin (got it when I turned 21) I practiced 2-4 hours every day17:51
tiwakefingers literally turned blue17:51
kimmolii like more building machines like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_c23dsYWsM17:51
tiwakeindustry is more my focus... I can look at almost anything and take a pretty good guess at how long its going to take to make, material costs, and tooling necessary, and how the process changes with higher volume production... but that comes with years of machinist experience I guess17:54
tiwakethe place I currently work at I don't think knows how to best utilize such awesomeness, because they have never had it before17:55
r0kk3rzkimmoli: what on earth are you building?17:55
tiwakeXD17:55
tiwakealso, this is more inline with #linuxCNC but this channel could use the extra chatter anyway17:56
r0kk3rza new chair for locusf maybe17:56
kimmolir0kk3rz: heh. by math, that should top at 14km/h17:57
kimmoli2x 750w brushless motors17:57
knighthawkkimmoli, is that a tank tracks :) are you building your own king tiger :D17:58
kimmolitiwake: that has connection to sailfish, as it will have sailfish app for remote control17:58
r0kk3rzyou going to run that on 18650s?17:58
tiwakekimmoli: sure, close enough... heh17:58
kimmoliyes, 100+ of those17:58
r0kk3rzif its good enough for tesla, i think its good enough for you too17:59
kimmolii hope so too17:59
r0kk3rzlooks cool anyway17:59
kimmoliyes knighthawk those are mini excavator rubber tracks17:59
knighthawkkimmoli, looking good mate ... :D18:01
kimmoliit has a few custom cpu boards, stm32 running chibios18:02
tiwakehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj5dyJGogWY time to counter-balance all that fun useful chatter with some music18:07
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locusfr0kk3rz: kimmoli: thats skookum as frig18:31
locusfI really do need a new wheelbarrow to haul this sack sh.. potatoes of a body around18:32
r0kk3rzlocusf: been watching AvE i see18:34
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locusfr0kk3rz: sure :)18:42
r0kk3rzlocusf: he is one crazy canadian, you handle the slang ok? its rather heavy18:44
locusfr0kk3rz: to some degree18:44
locusfof course wrt the latest video, the solvents in the air won't help18:45
locusfI've heard the same words on Gold Rush so thats why I can handle it ok18:45
r0kk3rzi guess being familiar with the subject matter helps a lot too18:46
locusfsure18:47
locusfus northerners can relate18:47
locusfalso the variety of dialects in finnish language ...18:52
r0kk3rzbecause its not complicated enough on its own :)18:54
locusfindeed18:58
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