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| temmi_hoo | tiwake: what abilities and machines are you planning with three phased cement slabs and whatnot? and where? | 05:39 |
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| temmi_hoo | also, finnish dialects are considered by linguists to ust hover on the border on being their own languages that share ancestry | 05:48 |
| temmi_hoo | of course national tv and intwerpen tubes are diminishing the differences but then there are currently heavy cultural shift in openly being damn proud of speaking in a dialect instead of supposedly neutral finnish | 05:49 |
| temmi_hoo | now with internet enabling staying your own cultural or social bubble i spite of geography it's also helping to keep dialects alive for those that keep in touch of their birthland that just happen to have expatriated to some other part of finland | 05:50 |
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| tiwake | temmi_hoo: well, I'd like to have a waterjet machine at some point, CNC mill, CNC lathe. The mill and lathe, and possibly the waterjet I have no qualms with getting them not-functional for cheap and building a new linuxCNC controller for in addition to fixing up whatever hardware issues it might have; new ballscrews, bearings, motors, switches, whatever... | 13:59 |
| tiwake | also, one manual lathe and one manual mill | 13:59 |
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| tiwake | temmi_hoo: after all that its just tooling... and pretty much anything that exists can be made with those machines :3 | 14:01 |
| phlixi | including off shore windparks :D | 14:15 |
| tiwake | every once in a while I think how much fun it would be to make my own engine block from a solid hunk of aluminum | 14:16 |
| tiwake | but then I think of how much effort it actually is to make it | 14:17 |
| tiwake | donno... maybe.. depends on how bored I get when I have such a machine | 14:18 |
| tiwake | ...which isnt very likely | 14:18 |
| tiwake | (the being bored part being very likely that is) | 14:19 |
| temmi_hoo | we have a manual lathe and cnc milling center at the helsinki hacklab | 14:22 |
| temmi_hoo | along with some other tools of several trades | 14:22 |
| tiwake | I'm really impressed with the capabilities linuxCNC has | 14:25 |
| tiwake | realtime full fledged operating system as a machine controller, and configurable to however you want or need, with all the documentation you could want | 14:26 |
| tiwake | nothing else exists like that, not fanuc, haas, whatever machine you point at... | 14:27 |
| tiwake | haas has some documentation at least, but not if it involves changing the machine controller | 14:27 |
| tiwake | linuxCNC is the perfect platform to build off of, I just havent had a chance to yet | 14:28 |
| tiwake | soon. | 14:28 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: i look forward to your robotic band playing eurovision 2025 | 14:36 |
| temmi_hoo | :D | 14:37 |
| temmi_hoo | one somewhat annoying thing about cnc machines up so far is that the electromechanical drive interface to controlling electronics is not standardized on any way | 14:38 |
| tiwake | yep | 14:38 |
| temmi_hoo | the motor and its inverter electronics are pretty tightly coupled | 14:39 |
| tiwake | every machine is different, and even a machine made by the same company in the same year is often different | 14:39 |
| temmi_hoo | so if you need to replace the proprietary controller you'll often end up replacing the axis motors as well | 14:39 |
| tiwake | often times, yeah | 14:40 |
| temmi_hoo | ahhhhh wifey is home, time for nomnoms - i've got pork that has been cooking for fivish hours | 14:40 |
| tiwake | each company making machines think that their stuff is sent from god to us people, and it only comes from them | 14:41 |
| tiwake | esp. for rapid prototyping machines | 14:41 |
| tiwake | ugh | 14:41 |
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| tiwake | hmm, omniturn is not like that I guess | 14:41 |
| tiwake | but they are stupid for other reasons | 14:42 |
| tiwake | (they use freeDOS as their base operating system to build their machine controller off of) | 14:43 |
| r0kk3rz | they what now? | 14:44 |
| tiwake | yeah... | 14:44 |
| tiwake | I've worked with quite a few different CNC machines and different makes and models | 14:44 |
| r0kk3rz | so, they had some software written back in the dawn of time... | 14:44 |
| tiwake | either that or they wanted a really stable OS that does not do anything? donno | 14:45 |
| tiwake | makes it horrible to try to work with though | 14:46 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe a bit of both | 14:47 |
| tiwake | I'm not sure when omniTurn started up | 14:47 |
| temmi_hoo | doesn't get in the way of having to write your own everything | 14:47 |
| tiwake | right | 14:48 |
| tiwake | every other company writes their own everything | 14:48 |
| tiwake | and they all think they can do it better | 14:48 |
| temmi_hoo | that's so lovely | 14:48 |
| tiwake | I facepalm so hard whenever I think about it | 14:48 |
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| tiwake | I have heard of some really really new machines using microsoft windows as a top layer | 14:49 |
| tiwake | and it passes off instructions to a different layer that deals with the realtime stuff | 14:50 |
| temmi_hoo | siemens uses wince for their control panels | 14:50 |
| tiwake | cause windows cant deal with things in realtime | 14:50 |
| r0kk3rz | loads of things use wince everywhere | 14:50 |
| r0kk3rz | theres no reason not to use a soft realtime microcontroller the such things really | 14:50 |
| tiwake | silly peoples | 14:52 |
| tiwake | linuxCNC is sitting there quietly being awesome | 14:52 |
| tiwake | anyway | 14:52 |
| r0kk3rz | big biz is slowing moving towards linux, my company is going to switch from QNX to open embedded for their new doodad | 14:53 |
| tiwake | http://linuxcnc.org/ | 14:53 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: yeah, I actually saw a sample of a new barcode scanner device on Linux + Qt (and I suspect the whole Mer stack) | 14:53 |
| Helle | basically a cellphone with a huge battery and a oddly angled camera | 14:54 |
| temmi_hoo | r0kk3rz what is open embedded? | 14:55 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah qt have been pushing their qt-for-devices thing for a while now | 14:55 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: I just wish this thing was more cellphone priced | 14:56 |
| r0kk3rz | temmi_hoo: yocto project, kind of a more popular mer type thing | 14:56 |
| Helle | 800 euro for a single scanner | 14:56 |
| tiwake | if I had any spare money, honestly it would go to linuxCNC and/or inkscape | 14:56 |
| Helle | well, I guess that is cellphone prices | 14:56 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: yeah, but its aimed at businesses so they jack up the price | 14:57 |
| tiwake | "support" | 14:58 |
| tiwake | ugh | 14:58 |
| Helle | nah, in this case "durable" | 14:58 |
| tiwake | give me the product and I'll support it myself | 14:58 |
| Helle | it has enough batteries in it to not worry about it, ever and it's an injection molded rubber casing | 14:58 |
| tiwake | injection molds are not the cheapest thing | 14:59 |
| tiwake | depends on how many they sell I guess | 14:59 |
| r0kk3rz | they are at scale, but perhaps these things have small scale | 15:00 |
| Helle | they are small scale | 15:00 |
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| Helle | I mean I'd presume the turn over of these devices is in the 1000s a year at most | 15:00 |
| tiwake | yeah | 15:00 |
| tiwake | friend of mine had a custom copper extrusion form made for him | 15:01 |
| tiwake | then I did the machining on the parts | 15:02 |
| tiwake | that extrusion mold was not cheap... heh | 15:02 |
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