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* pahartik managed to get "Jolla Mobile" running again after "factory reset" and ~1 GiB of updates to "Sailfish Linux 2.0.5.6"03:00
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anekanthi05:16
anekantis there any easy way to install google play services on aqua fish?05:16
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* pahartik probably needs to learn "Mer OBS" use again because "bt-network" keeps dropping connection after while06:03
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pdanekHello guys,12:32
pdanekDo you think Linux on mobile still has a chance in short term?12:32
pdanekFirefox OS was cancelled.12:33
pdanekUbuntu Phone recently announced to rapidly slow down all development of new features.12:33
pdanekSailfish OS was only able to get on Aqua Fish.12:33
Hellepdanek: well, Android is a thing ?12:33
HelleI mean Firefox OS was as much Linux as Android is12:34
pdanekyeah, I meant except Android, and yes Helle, I expected someone say that :)12:34
HelleI am still seeing potential in atleast a niche12:34
Hellefor a "proper" Linux12:34
pdanekI wonder if Tizen will ever become Android competitor12:34
Hellealthough Wayland + Qt is making it a bit of a pain because that already makes it less trivial to port desktop apps12:35
Helle(otoh, been doing just that)12:35
r0kk3rzwhat is the benefit to the average user for 'proper linux'?12:35
Heller0kk3rz: there isn't12:35
Hellehence niche12:35
r0kk3rzexactly12:35
Hellealthough Android is such drainbramage12:35
HelleI don't mind Android on tablets, but on phones it's neigh unusable12:35
Helle(tried it after my N900 broke and couldn't get a N9)12:35
pdanekHelle: why unusable?12:36
Helleand once you start messing with CM to fix some of the core deficiencies, you might aswell switch to SailfishOS community ports...12:36
Hellepdanek: terrible UI12:36
r0kk3rzi dont really like it on tablets, hitting the virtual buttons on the middle of the tab12:36
pdanekI agree, they should have got rid of the buttons long time ago12:37
r0kk3rzedge swipe is so much nicer on a big screen12:37
Heller0kk3rz: well, I am using an updated version of the 4.1 launcher because of that on my tablets....12:37
itsxaoswhenever someone hands me their android phone i try to swipe to go back etc12:37
Helleyou know, back when Android actually made a tablet specific UI12:37
itsxaosand i just dont get why they dont have that feature12:37
itsxaosits so intuitive12:37
Helleitsxaos: mhm12:37
r0kk3rzHelle: i might have to try that, this one is 5.112:37
r0kk3rzor finish fixing sfos on it...12:38
Heller0kk3rz: it's weird, because Android used to have a good UI for 9-10" tablets and then went to hell12:38
Hellebut because of the large screen size and not using it for phone stuff, the UI is acceptable for tablets12:38
itsxaosjust how hard is it to port sfos?12:38
Helleon phones otoh, Android's UI is a nightmare12:38
r0kk3rzitsxaos: how long is a piece of string?12:39
itsxaosi could see myself trying to port sf to a nice smartphone at some point12:39
Helleitsxaos: basically, if you can get Cyanogen on it, you stand a good chance to get SailfishOS on it, but it takes some unknown amount of actual effort12:39
itsxaosto learn some more about it things12:39
r0kk3rzsometimes its not too bad, other times you're spending ages reverse engineering proprietary things12:39
itsxaoshmmm okay12:39
Hellebut yeah, if the CM port relies on wrapped binary only things...12:40
itsxaosalso12:40
itsxaosare hardware keyboard smartphones just dead now?12:40
Helleyep12:40
itsxaosaw man12:40
r0kk3rzmore or less12:40
itsxaossometimes i think i should have never sold my motorola milestone12:41
r0kk3rzBB is going to release one more, not sure if its going to be android or not12:41
itsxaosyea but bb's are stupid12:41
Heller0kk3rz: interestingly, if it is their own Linux creation, it might be easier to slip SailfishOS on it12:41
itsxaoswith the keyboard on the front12:41
Hellegiven that it is also Mer based12:41
Hellebut yeah, N900 keyboard is uuuh, my ideal ?12:41
r0kk3rzHelle: huh? isnt bbos10 based on QNX?12:42
Heller0kk3rz: nafaik12:42
Heller0kk3rz: I thought they ditched QNX for that12:42
Hellemight be mistaken12:43
HelleI didn't look long at it12:43
r0kk3rzhmm ok, but their bbos10 phones are super locked down and hard to get at the guts12:43
HelleNeo900 is sadly a project that is beign so slow that the board complexity would be much lower with even 2 year old chips now....12:43
Helleso they are using old old chips with ridiculous board complexity12:43
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SQUelcherI'd love to have my E90 back12:44
Jopehttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N950-CIB-/272512289393?hash=item3f72ff8a71:g:Wq0AAOSwt5hYb4BU buy my n950 :-)12:45
pdanekMaybe LineageOS will be better future of Android12:46
r0kk3rzpdanek: why would it be any different to what cm was?12:46
HelleAndroid is so bad by design and not just the UI (but I am willing to over look the technical issues)12:46
Helle(well, for a bit)12:46
pdanekr0kk3rz: I don't know, but I like to believe it will12:47
pdanek:D12:47
r0kk3rzkeep dreaming pdanek :)12:47
pdanekbtw12:47
pdanekPixel UI vs Samsung UI?12:47
r0kk3rzhavent used either, no comment12:48
Hellepdanek: not been keeping up with that at the moment12:48
Hellebut the UI things are more how there is no Telepathy API to unify messaging, etc12:48
pdanekyes12:49
pdanekbut one thing makes the messaging hell bearable12:49
pdanekI can run all the messengers in the background with 6GB ram without ever caring that I use all12:50
pdanekJolla 1 was constantly crashing apps for me because of that12:50
r0kk3rzit'd be nice to not need 6gb for messaging apps12:51
Helleoh, Jolla 1 is still my main phone, even though I have the C12:51
Hellemore compact12:51
Hellewill need to find a new battery for it in a few months12:51
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r0kk3rzi havent heard about any of the desire 310 batteries going bang12:55
SQUelcherHelle: Spare batteries appeared in a German shop a while ago: http://www.jubatec.net/akkus/handyakkus/jolla/akku-fuer-jolla-smartphone-jp-1301/a-1102/12:55
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Hellewell, there is a HTC battery that is near identical and uuuh, with atleast someone having done actual testing on it12:56
HelleI'm sorry, but high energy density and unbranded fresh from China has me hesitant12:56
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r0kk3rzi havent heard of them failing badly, just failing quickly12:59
r0kk3rzbut after the samsung debacle, yes get good batteries12:59
Heller0kk3rz: well, I mean that wasn't the battery per se13:00
Helleit was the case design not taking into account that batteries expand when charging13:00
r0kk3rzSURE13:00
Hellebut I've heard of cases of Chinese replacement batteries catching fire13:01
r0kk3rzbut these things can fail in spectacular fashion if not treated properly13:01
r0kk3rzwas my point13:01
Hellehence preferring the HTC ones, but been having a hard time finding even those13:01
Helleeveryone seems to just be shuffling about the Chinese clones13:01
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r0kk3rzthe desire 310 is an old phone these days13:01
Helleyep13:01
Hellebut it's a surprising thing13:02
Helleand I just randomly found one, guess I should order13:03
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RavenIICould someone explain the whole thing with the Jolla tablet having a different graphics chip? Everything I read says that it just has the regular intel GPU16:02
r0kk3rzdifferent output interface afaik16:03
RavenIIStrange, still doesn't make sense that one version of SFOS works, and another one doesn't.16:04
r0kk3rzthe original screen was terrible, so they got a replacement screen but it had a different input16:04
r0kk3rzand so had to do some rework on graphics16:04
r0kk3rzRavenII: https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-update/16:10
r0kk3rz" The identified solution was to add an additional bridge IC (integrated circuit) to the PCB that converts eDP output to MIPI output for the display without losing quality or performance. "16:11
RavenIIr0kk3rz: but wouldn't the firmware for it, have the changes? or else they'd have to release multiple versions, no?16:12
r0kk3rzRavenII: this was before release16:12
RavenIIAh. So the images I've got are probably older than dirt.16:12
r0kk3rzlooks like16:13
RavenIIFunny, because I can't imagine how much better the display can get, it's downright beautiful16:13
r0kk3rzi dont remember what the tablet was actually shipped with16:13
r0kk3rzRavenII: you may not have the same panel they did16:13
RavenIITrue16:13
r0kk3rzi never saw it personally, but from what i heard it was quite ugly16:17
r0kk3rzbut anyway that converter IC is the difference, and perhaps that needs kernel stuff to work properly16:18
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pdanekDo you guys like the curved edge of Samsung Edge phones?16:31
pdanekOr you think it's useless?16:32
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pdanek1Stskeeps: Hi! Did you swicth to iPhone yet?16:39
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Stskeepspdanek1: no, yota for while being16:42
harishsaysWhat are best available other half options gor Jolla 116:42
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sakustarpdanek why are they curved?16:44
pdanek1sakustar: design and larger screen area in smaller case16:46
sakustarnot the edge ones?16:47
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kimmolisoon they are round, and https://d.justpo.st/media/images/2016/09/19/life-before-smart-phones-reading-the-text-on-the-air-freshener-bottle-1474304404.jpg16:48
sakustar:D16:49
pdanek1:D16:49
sakustardo the ones where the screen goes on the edge stop responding to touch events if you hold em in your hand?16:49
sakustar"gently balance on top of fingertips" seems like a good business model for selling new displays :)16:50
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