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trigpoin1Hi, I have had a jolla for nearly 2 years, since then I have been using OSMand which until fairly recently has worked well.09:40
trigpoin1Recently it has become crashy, I am guessing updates have made it more memory hungry09:41
phlixi_otry OSM Scout?09:42
trigpoin1Not heard of that, will take a look, thank you09:43
sobukusmapfactor is what works for me09:43
sobukusIt manages off-line routing over 1500 km without a hitch, while osmand just dies after a very long time.09:43
trigpoin1I have resorted to maps.me, but that is very limited09:44
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phlixi_ooh, rounting, i have no idea if OSM Scout does that, i actually never need such thing... but i sometimes take a look at the map09:48
phlixi_othus i did not though of routing when recommending to try PSM Scout09:48
phlixi_oOSM*09:48
phlixi_ohowever, my collegue tells me all the time how awesome the nokia here stuff is...09:49
phlixi_o...yes, i know its not nokia anymore and not called here anymore09:49
phlixi_oherewego or whatever^^09:50
trigpoin1map factor seems to want me to use tomtom maps09:50
pp__hmpf, looks like herewego is no longer compatible with jp1 (older version works fine tho)09:54
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citylight2hi, I read yesterday, that I can run jolla on Sony cellular phones. which? is there a irc log for this channel?10:13
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kimmolicitylight2: not yet. community ports exists, but for an official image, you'll need to wait10:15
Teguand yea, there is a log link just in the end of the huge topic: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23jollamobile/10:17
citylight2thanks, is fairphone running jolla in better shape?10:17
kimmolithats a community port, it is in pretty good shape10:18
kimmolii can only speak for oneplusx10:18
citylight2another issue, is there an app for jolla that works as owntracks, and reports the location of a device to a MQTT broker over https?10:18
kimmoli(but remember, there is no android app support)10:18
kimmolidon't know is just such app ready, but bits for such are10:18
Tegu"The target is to offer the first release to Jolla’s customers and community members by the end of Q2/2017." from the first press release link at https://together.jolla.com/question/156705/jolla-mwc-2017/10:19
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sakustaryellow girls?10:32
sakustargoogle results were... mixed10:32
pp__If you install google play, it will tell google where you are just fine :P10:33
sakustaryour mobile operator will track you too regardless10:37
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r0kk3rzsakustar: at least google gives you access to the information10:44
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citylight2I ment a server which I can query and see if my cellular is near home and start the AC11:40
r0kk3rzi think situations is the closest, not sure it does internet of thingsy type stuff though11:41
r0kk3rzsomeone could write an IFTTT app i suppose11:42
caitlinbthere’s a home automation thingy that can do that which runs happy enough in docker12:00
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caitlinbhttps://home-assistant.io12:01
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r0kk3rzcaitlinb: that looks a bit more useful12:05
caitlinbit’s pretty simple if you have half a clue how to write an app12:06
caitlinbI got a POC on my jolla with the sdk certainly12:06
caitlinbdefined some zones for work and home, so the callouts to the AC are trivial from there once zone entry/exit are sorted12:06
caitlinbyou do have to run all the bits yourself, thoughbut12:07
citylight2 how does home-assistant knows I am near my home?12:07
caitlinbyou run a client on the phone that pings a gps and squirts the coords to the HA instance12:07
caitlinbtaht compares your geo to the zone info it has and makes decisions accordingly12:07
citylight2I thought about running a small server that will query a service and tell when my phone reported its near home12:07
caitlinbthis is the other way round i think, the client submits data to a service which you run on a small server12:08
citylight2I would not want the phone to take any action, only report where it is12:08
caitlinbbut since it’s dockerable you can run it any cloud provider of your choice that supports that kind of thing12:08
caitlinbthat’s all my phone app does, query gps once in a while and push that data onto a message bus12:09
r0kk3rzcitylight2: you mentioned owntracks before https://home-assistant.io/cookbook/owntracks_two_mqtt_broker/12:09
caitlinbthat’s what this uses12:09
caitlinbexactly that12:09
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citylight2r0kk3rz: right and how to run owntracks on jolla?12:28
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r0kk3rzcitylight2: android? or it sounds like caitlinb did up an app that does the same thing12:37
caitlinbit’s basically a json payload iirc, my app isn’t in a store, it’s just a PoC13:26
caitlinbi’m sure there’s an android client somewhere13:26
caitlinbi think i was just writing my own for the point of writing it13:26
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sakustarmy jolla doesnt allow gps for android14:17
sakustaralso was usb tethering a patch or an official feature14:18
sakustarhavent needed it in so long i forgot14:18
r0kk3rzsakustar: it was an official feature that i dont think ever got properly released14:19
fennekkiit used to be a patch, became official later, I think?14:19
fennekkior wait, no14:19
fennekkiit's developer mode stuff maybe14:19
r0kk3rzjust something you add via pkcon14:19
sakustar:(14:20
sakustarill take a look later if i find it14:21
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tillusb tethering is just setting up correct iptable rules14:40
tillif you have developer mode (that is network via usb) running14:40
tilland gps for android is working fine on my jolla, did you check if it work in native sailfish apps?14:41
r0kk3rztill: no need to much around with iptables https://together.jolla.com/question/3798/usb-tethering/?answer=61513#post-id-6151314:45
fennekkiI think the last time I USB tethered I just manually ran dhcpcd on the usb interface and it worked14:46
tillinteresting, didn't knew that trick. however, I have two scripts for setting up tethering either wifi or mobile data, works just fine :)14:48
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r0kk3rztill: im sure the UI button does something similar anyway14:49
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PaulePanterHi. There hasn’t been any update for the Jolla phone is quite some time.14:50
PaulePanterDo you know more, what the current plan is?14:50
fennekkihasn't there though. wasn't there one like this year even or do i remember wrong?14:50
tillyes, however I can trigger the script via ssh, no need to touch the phone ;)14:50
tillhuh? there has been Ijoki some weeks ago14:50
fennekkiyeah that's what I thought14:50
tillrather: there is Ijoki14:50
PaulePanterI have 2.0.56 (Haapajoki)14:51
PaulePanter*2.0.5.614:51
r0kk3rzPaulePanter: a new update is in EA since a few weeks now14:51
PaulePanterr0kk3rz: Nice.14:51
tillhttps://together.jolla.com/question/153631/release-notes-210iijoki/14:52
fennekkiIijoki, or as you might translate it, "The River I"14:52
PaulePanterThat sounds great. I am looking forward to it.14:53
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caitlinbhuh, i’m still 2.0.5.6 and ‘up to date’14:58
Teguhave you joined the Early Access program?15:00
PaulePantercaitlinb: What Tegu wrote.15:01
caitlinboic15:01
caitlinbhow does one join?15:01
Tegubeware that the early access releases might be a bit unstable15:01
tillafaik there is a checkbox in your jolla.com account15:01
r0kk3rzcaitlinb: its a dark ritual, must be performed in the middle of finnish winter15:02
caitlinbheh15:02
caitlinbisn’t it always the middle of winter in finland?15:02
r0kk3rzcaitlinb: conveniently yes15:02
caitlinb\o/15:02
r0kk3rzcaitlinb: its a checkbox in your jolla account on jolla.com15:02
caitlinbi just want to know how soon i can get one of those X brand sony thingies for a go on sailfish on that15:02
tillhttps://account.jolla.com/ -> "Early access to Sailfish OS releases"15:02
Teguhttps://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204564167-Opt-in-to-Early-Releases-on-account-jolla-com15:03
tillwasn't the current estimate end of Q2/2017?15:05
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caitlinbfor the X devices, yeh15:18
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phlixi_owow https://together.jolla.com/question/157639 is now totally unreadable16:25
phlixi_oeveryting converted into a soup of comments -.-16:25
tbrlol16:29
^7heoprimordial soup thereof.16:30
^7heothanks for the link btw.16:30
* tbr is mildly bemused by all the obvious misunderstandings driven by wishful delusions16:32
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r0kk3rzyes how dare they have hope, the fools16:33
tbreveryone should be as jaded as me, dangit!16:33
tbrIf you run out of factuals, you need to appeal to feelings and hopes. OK, enough of being snarrrrky.16:35
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r0kk3rzfactuals are that its going to be a productised sfos including proprietary bits16:38
^7heoPersonally, even if the article at http://www.pcmag.com/news/352053/hands-on-jollas-sailfish-os-on-a-sony-xperia-x says that "In the past it's been no trouble for those used to flashing ROMs to get Sailfish (or AOSP) up and running", I'm kinda tired to have to hack my way through the bootloaders with recoveries and having to flash the phones with random .exe files obtained from shady websites and blogs.16:38
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r0kk3rz^7heo: sony allows you to do this with sony tools downloaded from sony website16:38
r0kk3rznot so dodgy16:38
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^7heoand I see the official bootloader unlockers and flashing programs officially distributed (such as the one from sony or some from Asus) as a VERY WELCOME thing.16:38
^7heor0kk3rz: that's my point. :)16:38
^7heor0kk3rz: it's not so often that you see that.16:38
JvD_also linux versions?16:38
^7heonot sure, didn't check what format the binaries were in.16:38
tbrwell, ODP is in spirit the continuation of the Nexus device line16:38
^7heoin any case "linux" will mean "GNU/Linux" unless the source is provided.16:38
^7heowhich is also a show-stopper for some (me included)16:38
tbrand that so far was the basis for jolla's reference adaptations, *gasp* such surprise16:39
^7heor0kk3rz: and even if the article says that "people who know how" can use the tools already; it's not  really true that we can trust them that much.16:40
tbrhell, before the SbJ worked, Sailfish was up and running on Mako16:40
^7heotbr: tma.16:40
^7heotbr: ENOFLLW16:40
tbr^7heo: come again?16:40
^7heoright!?16:40
^7heo"too many abbreviations"16:40
^7heoCan't follow.16:40
tbrSbJ == Jolla Phone, the first one16:40
^7heoas opposed to the Jolla C?16:40
tbrack16:40
^7heo(or the intex whatever)16:40
^7heo(aquafish AFAIR)16:40
^7heoand ODP?16:40
tbrit was Nokia N9/N950, ..., Mako, SbJ, then SfE and then Aquafish16:41
^7heoOk.16:41
tbrSfE → Sailfish for Everyone, the community adaptations16:41
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^7heoI'm new #here, so I might have a hard time with the abbreviations for some time.16:41
tbrno problem, we're here to expand and explain those if necessary, just ask16:42
^7heoThanks ;)16:42
^7heoThe principal problem with mobile and open software are the driver blobs16:44
r0kk3rzhttp://www.financialexpress.com/industry/technology/high-court-bans-intex-aqua-mobiles-company-loses-trademark-case/488054/16:49
r0kk3rzooops16:49
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attahHas anyone else here had problems with BankId (swe) on 2.1?21:05
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