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pawky2any news regarding teh Sony Xperia phone?11:51
pawky2is it delayed?11:51
^7heowe should have a bot answering that question on /join11:51
^7heo-!- XXX ~xxx@IP has joined #jollamobile11:52
^7heoXXX: We do not have news about the Sony Xperia SailfishOS support. Stay tuned!11:52
^7heobest would be a notice actually11:52
^7heoor that's gonna make a LOT of noise.11:52
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siljetopic?11:58
Nicd-nobody ever reads the topic :P11:59
siljepoint :p11:59
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^7heosilje: here is what I can read from the topic:  Official sites: http://www.jolla.com  , http://twitter.com/JollaHQ - for customer care, https://jolla.zendesk.com | Co-cre12:01
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^7heothere's *nothing* about the Xperia in there.12:01
Jopeno, the idea was to add something about the xperia port to the topic12:02
^7heoalso Nicd- is right. even if it would be appended, people would not read it.12:02
Jopeit might help.. most clients print it out on screen during join..12:02
^7heoit has to jump to their faces.12:02
^7heoor they don't read.12:02
^7heoblame the interwebz12:03
Jopereading sure is hard12:03
^7heoespecially reading perl.12:03
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silje<blink>We do not have news about the Sony Xperia SailfishOS support. Stay tuned! </blink>12:04
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pawky2but isn't it weird there is no news what so ever since the press release? nada enchiladas12:25
pawky2that gives me a feeling the cooperation isn't going that well...12:25
pawky2If not remembering wrongly the phone is to be launched at the end of the second quarter, like ... now12:26
pawky2and if it is to be launced but delayed one would expect some news note mentioning this..12:27
pawky2but we hear exactly nothing, and thats usually a very bad sign.12:27
^7heopawky2: maybe it's just an understaffed dev team that has to accomodate both for bug fixing, optimizations, and new features?12:35
^7heopawky2: all at the same time, ofc.12:35
^7heootherwise it's not fun.12:35
pawky2i am not following...12:36
^7heoAs a certain president would put it, "Sad".12:36
pawky2yes, of course things can be delayed, if so I believe the marketing team would probably like to anounce the product will come soon, right?12:36
^7heotjat12:36
^7heogrr12:37
^7heothat's assuming there is a marketing team.12:37
^7heofor all I know it could be a contractor.12:37
^7heoPlus that would be the role of PR imho.12:37
pawky2are you trying to say they have fired the marketing team???12:37
^7heoI have no idea.12:37
pawky2then jolla is in real trouble..12:37
^7heoif they have or had any marketing team ever.12:37
pawky2of course they had12:37
^7heo"of course", not to me.12:38
^7heoit's very possible for companies to use contractors for that kind of thing.12:38
pawky2who did anounce the joint venture with Sony? the development team?12:38
^7heoall I'm saying is, I wouldn't assume it's anyone's job to do that at that precise moment.12:39
^7heowhen you're firefighting, you don't care that people see it or not, you care about the fire.12:39
pawky2well... that can be, but still they want to put forward what happens with something that will potentially lead to sales.12:39
^7heo< pawky2> who did anounce the joint venture with Sony? the development team?12:39
^7heoMaybe?12:39
^7heoI wouldn't know. It's possible tho.12:39
r0kk3rzpawky2: then you havent been paying attention. sony has been mentioned at every meeting since announcement12:39
pawky2you want to put forward progress that increases the market value of the company, or else share holders might jump ship12:40
pawky2r0kk3rz: oh..12:40
pawky2r0kk3rz: so whats the news?12:40
r0kk3rznothing much. xperia x is being worked on12:41
^7heoThat much hasn't changed ;')12:41
pawky2any news wether one will be able to buy the phone now and put sailfish (including android emulator) on it when released?12:41
r0kk3rzno12:42
r0kk3rzbut i expect that is how it will work12:42
pawky2and I suppose this 2nd quarter release is thrown out the window?12:43
pawky2(the release date)12:43
^7heoThere's still 10 days...12:43
pawky2sounds ok.. I hope Jolla do understand silence is usually not a good thing when it comes to developing new stuff...12:44
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r0kk3rzpawky2: what do you want them to say?12:55
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pawky2r0kk3rz:  The progress I would say.13:19
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r0kk3rzpawky2: right, and they have in basic terms13:57
pawky2not on Jollas official site13:58
r0kk3rzyou want a blog post for "yes this thing we said was happening is still happening"?14:00
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tbryou can read the community meeting logs. There are official jolla statements.14:14
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phlixi_just stumbled upon this:18:41
phlixi_http://www.chip.de/artikel/Aldi-verkauft-Sony-Smartphones-Ein-messerscharfes-Angebot_116757331.html18:42
phlixi_and18:42
phlixi_https://www.netzwelt.de/news/161241-aldi-angebot-sony-xperia-x-halben-preis.html18:42
phlixi_funnily one "news" item for aldi süd qand one for aldi nord18:43
phlixi_... just in case some german fellows like to buy a new xperia x for 300EUR in the local super market this week18:44
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cehtehmhm18:58
cehtehany official news on the sfos port for the xperia yet?18:59
phlixi_lol18:59
phlixi_no18:59
phlixi_nothing besides "more news end q2"18:59
cehtehwhich means end of q2 was some marketing wet dream .. as usual19:00
phlixi_well19:00
phlixi_the experienced delaying professionals explititly said "expect news end q2"19:01
cehtehi'll stay with my jolla1 for the time coming, and hope it wont breal19:01
cehtehk19:01
phlixi_i am pretty sure there will be a news item until end q219:01
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phlixi_wel, actually i was wrong20:32
phlixi_The target is to offer the first release to Jolla’s customers and community members by the end of Q2/2017.20:33
phlixi_...according to https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sony_Jolla_press_release_MWC2017_FINAL.pdf?x1259920:33
phlixi_cehteh20:33
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cehtehyes, thats the first and only press release21:08
phlixi_if i tell my customers in february "we aim to release this or that end of q2", then the keyword is "aim" and it practically means " i will look into this maybe at some later time" :D21:10
phlixi_on the other hand i am not in the business of releasing oses21:11
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