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entilhttps://seap.samsung.com/linux-on-galaxy06:50
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inte[m]ahjolinna: http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2017/another-successful-akademy-neon-team-bof-snappy-and-more/08:10
inte[m]apparently kde decided to use snappy in their (kindof) inhouse distri08:10
inte[m]which barely makes sense when all major distros (except for ubuntu) chose flatpak08:11
pamaybe i miss something08:15
pabut if i disable the account from where i sync contacts, shouldn't contacts go?08:15
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inte[m]what is that about this samsung link above?08:22
inte[m]does that mean easy avaiability of sfos on samsung devices?08:22
r0kk3rzits too early to really know what it means08:24
r0kk3rzit could be running linux in a container, which is already doable on android phones08:24
inte[m]has that page been there for long?08:25
r0kk3rznot sure, but its light on details08:27
inte[m]or is it a more recent announcement?08:27
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inte[m]ok08:28
inte[m]not sure how they would allow install of any linux distribution and only supply the kernel08:29
inte[m]except for upstreaming the device drivers to the kernel source08:29
inte[m]which the certainly will not do08:29
inte[m]so, yes, probably it will be some kind of container stuff08:29
inte[m]or similiar to what jolla already does for their community ports08:30
r0kk3rzfor the DeX stuff theres minimal drivers you need08:30
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r0kk3rzmostly just graphics really08:30
inte[m]reminds of replicant - are those device drivers merged into the kernel sources?08:31
inte[m]r0kk3rz: jeh drivers can be supplied in a similar way as e.g. nevidia provides their graphics drivers08:31
inte[m]linux will be happy...08:31
inte[m]SCNR08:31
inte[m]LINUX08:32
inte[m]arghh08:32
inte[m]Linus08:32
inte[m]LINUS08:32
inte[m]i kind of automated writing LinuX lol08:32
inte[m]So, Linus will probably be happy since he never complained about Nvidia LOL08:33
r0kk3rzis linus ever happy? he is a finn afterall08:33
inte[m]haha true :)08:41
inte[m]but open drivers would of course be nice, he is right08:41
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inte[m]but since replicant provides open drivers to several android devices, why is there (afaik) no gnu/linux distribution utilizing those drivers to run on those devices?08:43
inte[m]at least i never heard someone just installed a e.g. stock debian on a samsung galaxy note 2 or sth08:43
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r0kk3rznot sure, maybe they're too androidy08:53
r0kk3rzperhaps the postmarketos people would know08:53
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pamaybe i'm stupid.. but who had the brilliant idea to let the device lock forever if the pin code is entered wrong for too many times?11:56
r0kk3rz:D11:57
Liekepretty sure the default setting is unlimited tries, so it would've been your idea12:02
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inte[m]r0kk3rz: cool, never heard of postmarketos before but it appears to be similar to what i suggested13:52
r0kk3rzits fairly new, but is about getting proper linux with open drivers on android phones13:53
r0kk3rzi have my doubts as to whether they will be that successful, but its good someone is trying13:53
inte[m]interestingly they didn't implement all driver from replicant yet but maybe this is feasible13:53
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inte[m]the device list seems similar13:54
inte[m]no mobile data on any device yet, though13:54
r0kk3rzthey want to use mainline kernel13:54
inte[m]well, wouldn't it be possible to put those modules in the kernel?13:54
inte[m]or did the api change?13:55
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r0kk3rzmaybe, i dont know of the details about the replicant stuff13:55
r0kk3rzid expect they're just open implementations of the vendor blobs13:55
r0kk3rzso, not in the kernel13:55
inte[m]no but those are probably also kernel modules13:56
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inte[m]i guess13:56
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inte[m]or is device support in android entirely different?13:56
r0kk3rzyeah its different, android has a lot of userspace drivers13:56
inte[m]ok thx, wouldn't have expected this for basic hw support like mobile data or graphics13:57
r0kk3rzso the kernel driver just has a basic pipe, which a userspace service talks directly to the hardware through13:57
inte[m]ok nevermind13:57
r0kk3rzi know some BT chips, and sensors tend to work like that13:58
r0kk3rzno idea about modems13:58
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inte[m]at least the replicant driver might be a suitable blueprint since obviously the genuine blobs has been sucessfully reverse engeniered13:59
r0kk3rzyeah but even with open stuff its not always that easy to slam it into the kernel13:59
r0kk3rzthat was the major issue with the Xperia X and bluetooth support14:00
paLieke: the default is that. Although the default setting is also "lock the phone if exceeded", and there's no option to turn this into a Timeout. So please stop defending the undefendable.14:00
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r0kk3rztbh there should be a big fat warning saying 'THIS WILL PERMANENTLY LOCK YOUR DEVICE'14:01
inte[m]r0kk3rz: ah so no bt-support for the xperia x not even in the future?14:02
r0kk3rzinte[m]: no it works :)14:02
Liekei prefer a perm lock when my phone gets stolen, don't see how that's an undefendable position to take14:02
inte[m]I personally never use Bluetooth on my Jolla so i don't mind14:03
r0kk3rzinte[m]: but the kernel BT drivers for it are nowhere near as polished as the libbt ones14:03
inte[m]oh wasn't there a statement it wouldn't ?14:03
r0kk3rzits 'unsupported' but otherwise 'kinda works mostly'14:04
Sm4i use bt headphones every day on the X. none of the controls work (play/pause, prev/next) but audio comes through fine :)14:05
inte[m]ok cool thx14:06
inte[m]i'm still waiting for mine to arrive14:06
inte[m]hopefully today14:06
r0kk3rzSm4: what player do you use?14:06
inte[m]and then i will have to obtain a license14:06
inte[m]will do that through a friends voucher14:07
Sm4spotify14:07
inte[m]so maybe at the weekend...14:07
r0kk3rzcutespot?14:07
Sm4android14:07
r0kk3rzoh android14:07
r0kk3rzyeah that might not work :)14:07
inte[m]what did actually happen to the prerelase version of the official spotify app? i obviously never made it to the store... :-(14:08
inte[m]r0kk3rz: so bluetooth work in android only? that would be new since it never worked in android until now :-)14:08
r0kk3rzspotify decided not to release it14:08
r0kk3rzinte[m]: no? what gave you that idea14:09
inte[m]ah forget it14:09
inte[m]"ah, android yeah that might NOT work"14:09
inte[m]missed the not14:09
Sm4oh, i had forgotten that cutespot exists. let's see if the controls work in it.14:10
r0kk3rzyeah, thats going to be a bluez5 thing not an Xperia X thing14:10
r0kk3rzif it used to work on Jolla 114:10
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inte[m]does the xperia x have a oled screen like my nokia n9 to display time and date in standby?14:11
inte[m]that would be cool!14:11
Sm4i ditched my jolla c before i bought these headphones so haven't used them on saiflish before14:11
r0kk3rzeven if it did, it would eat battery14:11
inte[m]it didn't eat that much battery on the n9?14:12
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r0kk3rzbecause n9 had proper low power mode14:12
inte[m]Sm4: how did you ditch that rare phone? thats sad!!14:12
Sm4didn't actually get rid of it, just started using my other phone14:12
inte[m]r0kk3rz: is that a hardware thing not implemented in the xperia x or a todo thing for jolla?14:13
r0kk3rza bit of both, but mostly software14:13
inte[m]well so if the hw is capable that might be solved at some point14:14
r0kk3rzbasically even with the screen sipping power it will keep the CPU active14:14
inte[m]i always loved to have my calendar in view even when the phone was off14:14
inte[m]the n9 was an amazing phone14:14
inte[m]especially in 201114:14
inte[m]or was it 2010?14:14
inte[m]was just great14:15
inte[m]damn microsoft for...14:15
* entil takes a moment to install sfos x on the xperia, yay14:15
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r0kk3rznokia was tanking well before microsoft came along :P14:15
inte[m]ah, long time ago, whatever14:15
inte[m]entil: good luck :)14:15
r0kk3rzthey just finished the job14:15
Sm4sadly the controls don't work on cutespot either14:16
inte[m]r0kk3rz: if they would just have released the n950 and the n9 to all markets we still would have meego tablets and phone today14:16
inte[m]and a nokia app store full of official aps14:16
inte[m]apps14:16
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entilI love how the installation instruction tells me to verify I have an unlockable bootloader, but no word about how :D must be a ploy to get me to read the whole thing!14:17
inte[m]there also was a acer tablet ready for realease back then14:17
inte[m]entil: dont forget to back up drm keys14:17
inte[m]just in case14:17
entiland no instructions for linux, ggwp14:17
inte[m]not possible to recover them later14:18
Sm4damn i forgot to do that14:18
r0kk3rzinte[m]: maybe. bb & ms both failed at that task14:19
inte[m]but neither bb nor ms were anywhere close to be the market leader14:19
inte[m]nokia was, and still growing even when elop decided to ditch symbian and meego14:19
entilinte[m]: nothing about drm keys on the installation page either14:20
inte[m]i guess we all know the "elop effect" charts :)14:20
r0kk3rzentil: of course it wont mention the drm14:20
entil"of course"?14:20
inte[m]entil: its rather on the unlock your device page i guess14:20
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r0kk3rzyeah all that stuff is on the sony site14:21
inte[m]entil do you understand german?14:22
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inte[m]i recently bookmarked this page: http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto-sony-xperia-x-teil-1-cda-drm-keys-bootloader/ For english youd have to google yourself but it shouldnt be hard to find14:22
entilinte[m]: ein bisschen, ich habe es in der Schule gelernt aber jetzt benutze ich duolingo etwas zu erinnern14:22
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entilthe sony page is very quiet about how to back things up, it just warns me about their destruction14:23
inte[m]entil but that was not bad at all!! :-)14:24
r0kk3rzentil: you arent supposed to back them up, thats why they get destroyed :P14:25
inte[m]that is the backup tool, according to the german site: http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto-sony-xperia-x-teil-1-cda-drm-keys-bootloader/14:25
entilr0kk3rz: ah okay, and joe q average performing this install will simply lose them, but hardcore irc hackers get to keep them... because... are they used by sfos?14:25
inte[m]wups14:25
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inte[m]https://forum.xda-developers.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=2217314:25
inte[m]the second link14:25
r0kk3rzentil: no, you cannot use them with sailfish14:26
r0kk3rzbut you can put them back to relock bootloader and get the functions in android back14:26
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entilkk, so it's for restoring android14:27
r0kk3rzyeah, and you can only back them up in the first place through an exploit14:28
r0kk3rzso nothing 'official' is going to mention that14:28
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entilI can't see myself restoring android, though14:29
entilI was careful not to give my fingerprint to anything with the google logo on it, didn't divulge my name, anything14:29
entilwas hoping I wouldn't even have to boot the damned thing14:29
r0kk3rzlol. its ok, googly already knows everything about you14:30
entilof course it does, but not all of it's recent14:30
inte[m]oh, we just had that today: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Linux-on-Galaxy-Linux-Distributionen-auf-dem-S8-nutzen-3865639.html14:30
inte[m]sorry german14:30
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inte[m]but we were discussing this topic so it might be intersting. google translate might help14:30
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entilschon habe ich das Update installiert und dann kann ich wieder zum Hack fahren (mit einem Auto drrn drrn)14:32
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inte[m]r0kk3rz: dont know if you understand german but heise says that linux-on-galaxy will be an app which will provide a linux-distri of choice14:35
r0kk3rzi saw that14:35
inte[m]ah ok14:36
r0kk3rzso its probably a containery thing like you can already do14:36
inte[m]yeah as you said14:36
inte[m]nothing new eventually14:36
inte[m]except for thats an official samsung thing14:36
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entileven more updates, snifs14:42
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entilliterally endless updates :D15:19
entilso funny that there are this many updates just before a downgrade ;P15:19
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entilhitting that XF button in FlashTool doesn't do anything and I think I ran out of time for this15:28
entillittle chance I'll get back to this before next week :/15:28
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entilor I'll just skip the drm keys... if they're only used to re-lock to re-install android, I don't think I want to waste time on downgrading and all that16:40
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Bysmyyrhmm, waiting for the device...17:07
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r0kk3rzentil: you can still reinstall android without them17:10
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Boyeto@entil: You can still reinstall Android, but you'll miss out on some Sony features, including some post-processing on the camera22:58
Boyetoyou'll also not be able to use Android Pay22:58
BoyetoI just installed the paid-for SailfishX and it's pretty cool22:58
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kid*phew*23:30
* kid finally got the DRM-keys out …23:30
kid… on my way back to Android 7 now …23:31
kidThis is just to make sure that I will never ever need them! ;-D23:31
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* Boyeto is jealous23:44
BoyetoI blew away the keys23:44

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