#jollamobile log for Friday, 2017-10-20

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Jef91Is there a list of supported / functional android applications that work under the compatibility layer that comes with official sailfish devices like on the Sony X?01:52
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pawkywhy is the map app gone on Sailfish X, and what replaces it... and where is it to be found?06:53
Nicd-it's really gone?06:53
Bysmyyrmaps is only in first jolla06:53
Nicd-haha :D06:54
Bysmyyrthere is herewego in store06:54
Bysmyyrwhich is much better but android06:54
pawkyBysmyyr: in what store?06:54
Bysmyyrjollastore06:54
pawkynot in my jollastore :-(06:55
Bysmyyrnot mine either anymore :(06:55
pawkyyou see... so... e50, and now I have less than on my Jolla phone :-(06:56
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pawky(€50)06:56
Bysmyyrbut actually cannot say because now useing jolla1 where it was not06:56
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Bysmyyrbut in my jolla C had it06:56
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pawkywell.. I have cramed in HERE manually copying the apk from a backup... but the question remains...06:57
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pawkyhow can you in 2017 offer an OS without a map app..06:57
pawkywritten for the native OS06:58
Bysmyyrsome info https://together.jolla.com/question/168884/user-reports-sailfish-x/?sort=votes&amp;page=2#sort-top06:58
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fennekkiwhat was with the maps app anyway; was it only licensed for distribution on the original?07:01
fennekkiit seems to *function* perfectly fine so I don't see why it wouldn't be distributed for the C or other releases07:02
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pawkydoes anyone know how to make the Alien Dalvik report back its a Xperia Android? There are apps that did run under Xperia Android that doesn't run now :-(07:02
pawkyor.. .doesnt install themeselves now07:02
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pawkyfennekki: I think its (as usual) due to licensing...07:03
Nicd-fennekki: I think license issues from either HERE or Appello that made it07:04
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pawkyBut one might be able to rip the one from Jolla one out and install it :-)07:04
tbrpawky: look into "build.prop", it's probably just a missing feature flag. Haven't done anything like that in years though, so don't ask me for help.07:05
pawkytbr:  :-)07:06
Nicd-tbr: what do you do nowadays?07:06
tbrNicd-: I'm still being awesome, obviously. In different parts of the embedded/mobile/iot jungle though.07:06
Nicd-well that is a given07:06
tbrActually for a while I was working on some Mer based stuff incorporating Qt 5.807:07
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tbrit was nice to see that upgrading that part (without doing "full productization fixes" though) was not hard at all07:08
tbrrecently I've been playing with the HiKey960 board. It's refereshing to have easy UART access and things like that.07:09
tbrwipe the device clean and restore by "cold flashing" over USB? no problemo and there's a UART to show me the obvious blunders that I commit along the way.07:10
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pawkydoes anyone have the build.prop from the originam Xperia android image? :-)07:25
pawky(original)07:26
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pawkyI think i got it from a zip file :-)07:29
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pawkytbr: nope, build.prop doesn't seem to do the trick, "X app not installed", any other suggestions? :-)07:36
tbrpawky: so it's not the store that says it's not compatible?07:37
pawkytbr: somehow it seems to be the app..  but i had it running on the original android for the phone07:37
pawkyits a garmin app, for their NAV07:38
tbrah, I thought it was the app-store that refused07:38
tbrthen check logcat07:38
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tbrit might tell you what it was looking for07:38
pawkytbr: that needs to be installed right?07:38
tbrthat's how I found out why google+ wouldn't install on a certain android-tv device. It didn't have the "google maps" marker... :-/07:39
tbrno, that's a command line tool and must be already there07:39
pawkytbr: nope.. and cant find it with pkcon either07:40
tbrI'm rather sure that usage of logcat on sailfish devices is well documented07:40
tbrI'm certainly not an authority on that. I probably did that last time 2 years ago07:41
pawkytbr: seems to be an android ap under F-droid :-)07:41
tbrno it's not, but I really have nothing more to add to this, so please don't bother me with it.07:44
pawkyduh... ok...07:44
r0kk3rzpawky: people actually used the jolla-maps app?07:49
pawkywell.. i kind of did..07:49
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r0kk3rzbut its demise is a consequence of nokia selling here to daimler i believe07:58
pawkyr0kk3rz: true.. but it would still be nice to have a native maps app :-)07:59
r0kk3rztheres several08:04
r0kk3rzpoor maps, maep, modrana08:04
pawkywell.. they are either tiled or not offline apps...  a native HERE version with vector maps and offline function would be nice08:06
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r0kk3rza million bucks and a unicorn would be nice too08:19
pawkynever thought of that.... but yeah why not :-D08:20
pawkyr0kk3rz: remember, we did have this type of map app on the Nokia N9, so its not as abstract as asking for a unicorn08:21
r0kk3rzso?08:22
pawkyit could have been a matter of jrecompiling an existing app08:22
r0kk3rzthat was when nokia had the full stack and was the largest phone maker in the world08:22
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r0kk3rznow? not so much, certainly well out of jollas capabilities08:23
pawkyand maybe they where because of their map app ;-)08:23
pawkyso if jolla wants to be the largest...08:23
pawkyAll I am saying it would be nice to have HERE maps compiled for sailfish, and not running as an Android app.08:24
r0kk3rzsure08:24
r0kk3rzlots of things would be nice08:24
pawkyi do not think this one would be to far of to wish for...08:24
r0kk3rzit kinda is :P08:25
r0kk3rzwithout a partner of some kind, and maybe daimler doesnt want to be friends08:25
r0kk3rzi still dont entirely understand why nokia sold it tbh08:26
abransonpawky: not much to do with Jolla though - it's completely up to HERE08:26
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abransonI saw them at droidcon and asked them very nicely to make a Sailfish version :D08:27
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pawkybut the original sailfish app was made by Jolla...08:27
Bysmyyrpawky: nope08:27
pawkyabranson: i hope they took you up on it :-)08:27
abransonso do I, but I doubt it08:27
Bysmyyrit was some random swedish company08:27
pawkyBysmyyr: well, i think it came with the jolla standard app package08:27
abransonI think the only thing that'll make that happen is a much larger userbase08:27
abransonso the most productive thing we can do right now is to beg/blackmail everyone we know who should know better to get Sailfish X :P08:28
SQUelcherHaving HERE in the Jolla 1 store would be nice, even if it is still android08:28
SQUelcherI don't want to transfer the .apk from my C to the 1 manually :>08:29
pawkythe alien dalvik doesnt want to start if putting a true Xpreria android build.props into it... does anyone know whats needed for sailfish to accept the file?08:29
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r0kk3rzpawky: what are you trying to do?08:32
pawkyI am trying to install a garmin app, a support app to my BMW navigator VI.08:32
pawkywithout it, the nav is only half a nav, and it worked nicely on the Xperia android version08:33
pawkyit doesnt want to install itself08:33
r0kk3rzwell. its probably an android 4.4 thing, not some magic build.props flag08:34
pawkyI am assuming it checks to see if its compatible and bails out when it finds alien dalvik08:34
r0kk3rzdoes it require bluetooth to work?08:34
pawkyhmm.. that could be it.. have to check08:34
pawkyyes08:34
r0kk3rzthen i wont work anyway08:34
r0kk3rz*it08:34
pawkynot? o dear08:34
r0kk3rzalien-dalvik has never had bluetooth support :P08:34
pawkyoh dear, oh dear...08:34
r0kk3rzyou ventured outside the walled garden, welcome to the wastelands :)08:37
pawkyso... sailfish, so perfect ,yet so useless....08:39
r0kk3rzyes we dont get to have any nice things08:41
Nicd-feel the call of Android ;)08:41
pawkymaybe this will be the final nail in the coffin... yeah Nicd, I really start to feel the call08:42
r0kk3rzits the main reason i didnt buy the Xperia X, because id probably just use android08:42
pawkymaybe its time to start using Android with an aliensailfish implementation instead...08:44
Nicd-hehehe08:44
pawkyThat would make me cry less i think08:44
r0kk3rzyou can port apps to Qt on Android08:44
pawkyis there any sailfish app development going on to speak of nowadays or have everybody sailed on?08:45
r0kk3rzsome, not much08:46
r0kk3rzmostly things you can just get on android anyway08:46
pawkyand there are no plans to make the aliendalvik more android compatible?08:47
r0kk3rzjolla are unfortunately up shit creek with that one08:47
pawkyand there are no alternatives to install?08:47
r0kk3rztheres no real replacement to alien-dalvik, and i dont think myriad is interested in developing it further08:48
r0kk3rzthere anbox, but thats experimental at best08:48
r0kk3rzbut will at least give you android 7.1 support08:48
pawkywell... i see my €50 as a contribution to Jollas downfall....08:48
pawkyok.. but no bluetooth whatsoever?08:49
r0kk3rzno08:49
pawkywhat a a waste08:49
r0kk3rzthats a tough nut to crack, the worlds are quite different08:49
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r0kk3rzit might be ok if they both used bluez, or libnfc...08:50
r0kk3rzbut they dont08:50
pawkybut they both use a linux kernel08:50
r0kk3rznot for bluetooth they dont08:50
r0kk3rzsailfish uses the kernel drivers, android doesnt08:51
pawkyim thinking about some dockeresque android version08:51
r0kk3rzthats basically what anbox is08:51
pawkyits just so sad... all this effort, and the result is an extremely limited phone... :'(08:54
r0kk3rzyeah, the walled gardens are quite developed these days08:55
pawkyi will probably spend this weekend putting my android image back...08:55
pawkyi presume dual boot is an impossibility..08:56
inte[m]pawky: missed the beginning but why do you want to revert to android?08:57
r0kk3rzprobably, i dont think anyone has tried08:57
r0kk3rzwith 'productised' sailfish it basically takes over the whole phone08:57
r0kk3rznot like community sailfish where all the android stuff is still there08:57
abransonpawky: if we're at the point where even a system with quite a large amount of android compatibility is not good enough, then android now has a complete monopoly08:58
r0kk3rzabranson: AD is too old to be useful anymore :(08:59
inte[m]pawky: i have google service installed on my jolla and i dont see where it is it limited except for bluetooth support08:59
inte[m]what is not working for you?08:59
abransonr0kk3rz: disagree there. most of the essential apps like the message apps still work back to android 208:59
abransonyou've got whatsapp etc, which were the real sticklers for ubuntu touch etc09:00
abransonif you're really dependent on 100% compatibility with android, then you're more locked in than anyone can help with.09:00
abransonwhich is a problem outside of any desire to run alternative OSes09:01
inte[m]i really dont see any imcompatibility. all my android apps work09:01
abransoni think bluetooth support was the sticking point above09:01
abransonwhich is really tricky, as android does bluetooth in a very different way, and neither approaches can really share the hw09:01
r0kk3rzim not dependent, but at times its like death by 1000 papercuts09:01
abransonfreedom ain't free :D09:03
r0kk3rzaint that the truth09:03
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SQUelcherI've enabled OpenVPN on my Jolla C and it seems to reconnect to 4G like twice a minute, is there any way to stop it disconnecting every few seconds when idle?09:37
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inte[m]jey i just received my xperia x09:42
inte[m]129pounds09:43
inte[m]and looks brandnew including 12m warranty :)09:43
Nicd-that's a heavy phone!09:43
inte[m]hehe09:44
inte[m]gbp09:44
inte[m]dont know where the sign is on my keyboad09:44
accumulatorgbp=gigantic bulky packaging?09:44
inte[m]is it §?09:44
inte[m]lol09:44
Nicd-£09:44
r0kk3rz12 minute warranty? i guess you void it when you install sailfish x09:44
inte[m]Nicd-: exactely what i ment09:44
Nicd-§ is for law matters :)09:44
r0kk3rz£09:45
inte[m]r0kk3rz: no warranty is not voided by installation or rooting09:45
inte[m]at least not within europe09:45
inte[m]its some european legislation09:45
r0kk3rzthey *will* fight you though09:46
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abransonyeah make sure everything works before you unlock it...09:46
inte[m]http://www.bild.de/digital/smartphone-und-tablet/smartphone/rooten-schraenkt-gewaehrleistung-nicht-ein-c_b-27228306.bild.html09:46
inte[m]r0kk3rz: yeah its like when i bought my win7-asus laptop09:46
inte[m]i had quite a dispute until i got the 42€ back for the win7 license i didnt need09:47
inte[m]however, they have to take it back09:47
r0kk3rzim not saying you're wrong, but like they will push back and throw warnings in your face09:47
inte[m]let them throw09:47
inte[m]i got a "rechtsschutz" (insurance paying a lawyer)09:48
inte[m]:)09:48
SQUelcherinte[m]: are you sure bild.de is a trustworthy source? :P09:48
inte[m]but from what i experienced they give up if you insist09:48
inte[m]SQUelcher: :)09:48
inte[m]read it elsewhere as well09:48
inte[m]was just the first hit on google09:48
accumulatorI installed Google Play Store on my Xperia, but it doesn't start. Is this a known issue?09:49
inte[m]duckduckgo09:49
inte[m]the phone really looks brandnew and i better order a case next before messing it up :)09:50
inte[m]btw  i also have a problem with my vpn setup on my jolla09:52
pawkyinte[m]: to me bluetooth is something basic and important that just should work, as many apps use it, if its not going to work in alien dalvik its a to high limitation for me :'(09:52
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inte[m]pawky: ok i see but since it never worked it is something not new at least09:52
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inte[m]aka didnt you know that before?09:53
pawkyabranson: to me it doesn't matter how large the compatibility is, if the apps living within thes sphere isn't of much use to me :'(09:53
r0kk3rzinte[m]: its really hard to evaluate all the ins and outs of a system before you start using it09:53
inte[m]sure09:54
pawkyinte[m]: true, but my hopes was that the all "new" alien dalvik was to me "more" compatible, atleast that's what was said09:54
inte[m]i thought most people switching to jolla x now are people who were familiar with sfos before09:54
inte[m]didnt expect first time users :)09:55
pawkywho said I am a first timer? I have had it since day one09:55
inte[m]pawky: oh, i didn't even here there was any upgrade to ad :)09:55
inte[m]pawky: me too :)09:55
Nicd-I'm curently selling my Jolla with TOHKBD and the First One OH. quite nostalgic when I was resetting it yesterday09:55
pawkywell, they spoke about it going to be faster and more compatible09:55
Nicd-still keeping my launch party queue number and the first one t-shirt as memories :P09:56
inte[m]Nicd-: i was too late for the party but i still have the shirt too :)09:56
r0kk3rzpawky: more compatible?09:56
inte[m]would have prefered the beanie though09:57
pawkyNicd-: well, you selling it all doesn't give any confidence in sailfish having a future... ;-)09:57
pawkyr0kk3rz: that was wat was said...09:57
r0kk3rzin reference to what exactly?09:57
Nicd-pawky: I haven't used it for over a year, it was just collecting dust :P09:58
pawkyr0kk3rz: how would i know in what reference, beyond the first jolla I presume.09:58
r0kk3rzNicd-: you should mount it in a glass cabinet, its a piece of history :)09:58
Nicd-it should be used!09:58
pawkythen use it :-)09:59
Nicd-I don't want to :D09:59
pawkyor.. wait... ahh... its not that usable :-D09:59
r0kk3rzpawky: oh, i assumed maybe you knew what you'd read :)09:59
Nicd-but if the buyer uses it then I'm happy09:59
pawkyr0kk3rz: I will try to check what it said...09:59
inte[m]so, my vpn-setup. I've setup a pptp vpn into the hamnet and i want it as an additional connection. However, sfos always sets the defaultroute to the vpn. I have therefore altered /etc/ppp/options.pptp and added "nodefaultroute" but it doesnt appear to have any effect. How can I prevent that the vpn would change the default route?09:59
SQUelcherI've sold both of my TOHKBDs to some collector in Taiwan :>10:00
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inte[m]sorry to interrupt your talk about the golden beginning :-) If anybody has an idea how to fix the vpn issue pls let me know10:02
pawkyinte[m]: I have already written about the route and vpn in here10:03
pawkydue to some unknown reason it doesnt change it to be the default route10:03
inte[m]hu10:03
inte[m]didnt see it10:03
inte[m]werent you doint ovpn ?10:03
pawkyoh...10:03
pawkyyeah.. but I assume its counts for all :-D10:03
inte[m]so you want the default route changed?10:04
pawkyif course it could be debatable, do you want VPN to reach something specific or to use for safety... at the moment its configured for the first..10:04
pawkyinte[m]: I would like the ui to make a vpn be the default route when choosen10:04
pawkyif that made any sense10:04
inte[m]mh, i can only tell that this is done by default10:05
pawkyI would run the vpn through the UI when I want a safe connection10:05
inte[m]and even worse, obviously cannot be changed manually through the config files10:05
inte[m]at least for pptp10:05
pawkynot for me.. when starting the VPN the default route is still through whatever you used before10:06
inte[m]but chaning the default route manually shoudl be possible to the config files, if they are evaluated10:06
inte[m]havent set up a ovpn ill check the gui10:06
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pawkyinte[m]: i can give it a run now and check again10:07
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pawkyinte[m]: damn... I think you are right...10:08
inte[m]maybe if you change the network entry? dont know. id try editing the config files too10:08
pawkymaybe thats after a reboot after configuring it10:08
pawkyinte[m]: you can add your own config file in the ui though, if you want to change it10:10
inte[m]yeah saw that is possible for ovpn10:10
inte[m]but not for pptp10:10
pawkyinte[m]: though nothin works as I got dest: 0.0.0.0 GW: 0.0.0.0 mask:0.0.0.010:11
pawkyfor vpn010:11
inte[m]dont know10:11
inte[m]i quite dont understand what is to be entered in the Network/Netmask/Gateway field10:12
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pawkyinteresting... the vpn doesnt work at all... its connected though10:12
inte[m]given I want the vpn to route into 44.0.0.0/810:12
inte[m]should I put 44.0.0.0/44.255.255.255/gatewayip in there?10:13
pawkywell normally the gateway shouldnt be 0.0.0.0 AFIK10:13
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pawkynot for the default gw10:13
pawkyinte[m]: what is that second one???10:14
pawky44.255.255.255 ???10:14
inte[m]ah no second should be 255.0.0.0 i guess10:15
pawkynormally its      dest: 0.0.0.0 gw  [your  real GW] genmask 0.0.0.010:15
pawkyfor default10:15
pawkyoh.. sorry.. thats if you do NOT want it to be defauld10:16
inte[m]yeah but i dont want the default10:16
inte[m]i want the vpn to route into 44.0.0.0/810:16
inte[m]:)10:16
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pawkyroute add -net 44.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0.0 gw 10.8.1.x10:18
inte[m]the thing is, my default route gets lost once the vpn is started10:19
pawkyi cannot test as i will loose my connection, but x should presumably be the receiving part of your vpn10:19
inte[m]of course i could manually delete the route10:19
inte[m]and then set it again, manually10:19
pawkyaha.. and I presume this is the problem with the UI vpn thingy.. it kicks out the default route10:20
inte[m]but i guess the nodefault option in the options.pptp file should be evaluated and thus no default route should be set10:20
inte[m]nodefaultroute option10:20
pawkyif you dont want all traffic to go there, then you should have no default.. but then the connection shouldnt touch the default gw10:20
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pawkyi dont know if that made any sense to you..10:21
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inte[m]yes but as i say the defaultroute is changed automatically to the vpn once the connection is up and i cant find a mesure to prevent that10:21
pawkywhat does route -n give you for default route?10:22
inte[m]oh wait10:22
pawkythe first one saying dest:0.0.0.0 etc10:22
inte[m]now it appears to work again10:23
inte[m]i guess that is related to the setup on the server site10:23
pawkythis is how you should do the route for that net : route add -net 44.0.0.0/8 dev tun010:23
inte[m]it used to work10:23
inte[m]no route was obtained at all and i had to set the route in the vpn manually  by altering /etc/ppp/ip-up10:24
pawkywell i can imagine it wiill work for that specific net, but I imagin you have lost the ability to surf now10:24
inte[m]then they changed sth and the default route was set automatically10:24
inte[m]and now it started working again10:24
inte[m]strange10:24
pawkybut was it set to your vpn?10:24
pawkyjust check what 0.0.0.0 routs to10:25
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inte[m]surfing works10:25
inte[m]0.0.0.0 is route correctly10:25
inte[m]not sure if net44 works as well10:26
inte[m]the routes seem fine but it doesnt appear to10:26
pawkyping 44.xx something?10:26
pawkyive got that strange default route  0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0  never seen such a thing before...10:27
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pawkyoh... i seem to have missed the Domain: parameter on that ui... a bit of a strange way to enter things...10:29
inte[m]ok my vpn is working again now10:30
inte[m]cool10:30
inte[m]propbably a server-side thing10:30
inte[m]im setting the default route into the vpn in /etc/ppp/ip-up10:31
inte[m]but for ovpn this is different10:31
inte[m]maybe you can export a working .ovpn file from you desktop and import that into your jolla phone10:31
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pawkyinte[m]: yeah.. i will probably have to do so, i just wanted it to work by using the UI, not having to go the extra mile.10:32
pawkyi mean, isnt that what a UI is for? ;-)10:32
r0kk3rzand when the UI fails, thats what the terminal is for :P10:34
pawkyr0kk3rz: exactly, and THATS why I would like to continue to use sailfish... but alas, without some basic features that has been around for like... a decade thats a no can do i think10:35
pawkyI will put my €50 Sailfish X receipt under a glas dome in my mobile phone museum....10:36
pawkyprobably tag it early "prototype"10:37
r0kk3rzhah10:37
pawkyi presume trying to see if this phone will do SDP compared to the Jolla 1 would be an effort in vain as well...10:38
inte[m]im mostly satisfied with what my jolla does10:38
r0kk3rzsdp?10:38
pawkyare you connecting it to anything?10:38
pawkyssdp10:38
inte[m]can anybody confirm wether usb otg works in AD or not?10:38
inte[m]on the jolla x10:39
pawkytry connecting you phone to..... lets say..... ah.... a sony camera :-)10:39
r0kk3rzyeah dont do that10:39
r0kk3rzinte[m]: not sure if its presented to AD actually10:40
pawkyoh.. wait.. no lets try to use it for your bluetooth garmin.. oh.. no wait, try to use it with your car bluetooth dongle.. no.. wait.. those bluetooth speakers from JBL.. .no wait..10:40
inte[m]i thought sony cameras were wifi so i guess it should work10:40
pawkyinte[m]: try, try try :-)10:40
inte[m]why would i want an android app for speakers and/or handsfree10:40
r0kk3rzinte[m]: theres problems with the wifi discovery stuff they do10:41
inte[m]havent installed yet10:41
inte[m]i need to backup the keys, obtain a license through a friends voucher etc.10:41
pawkyyou will only need that little SSDP protocol working... which actually does in sailfish, but then when you need it in your android ap... alien dalvik doesnt care about ssdp10:41
inte[m]im just curious10:41
inte[m]r0kk3rz: then its rather a sony than a sfos issue10:41
inte[m]what is ssdp at all?10:42
pawkyr0kk3rz: the problem is actually not in sailfish itself... you could see the ssdp when using the jolla 1 and also write some cool perl scripts using it. Its when you need it in an android app things go haywire10:42
inte[m]ah i see service discovery10:42
pawkySimple Service Discover Protocol10:42
pawkyan easy way to connect two wifi units together :-)10:43
inte[m]and manually "paring" the cam with the phone wouldnt solve it?10:43
inte[m]propbably not i guess otherwise you wouldn complain :)10:43
pawkyI havent tried it on the Xperia and the "new" alien dalvik" but i presume time spent on trying will be time spent in vain...10:43
r0kk3rzinte[m]: the app doesnt get into the right state usually10:43
pawkyinte[m]: nope, it wont... as your android app wont be able to figure things out10:44
r0kk3rz"new" lol. 4.4 vs 4.1 is barely worth mentioning10:44
pawkyr0kk3rz: thats what i meant ;-)10:44
pawkyinte[m]: so, you can connect manually through sailfish, and you will be able to communicate with it using, curl, wget you name it... but with android?... Nada Enchiladas...10:45
r0kk3rzso write an app10:46
pawkyand this I REALLY dont understand...  someone seem to have done only ha half hearted job [pointing to myrriad]10:46
r0kk3rzintegration stuff is more jollas side of the fence, not myriads10:47
pawkyr0kk3rz: It has come to mind yes... it really has10:47
pawkyr0kk3rz: but not being a full time programmer, It would take ma quite some time to get it all going. I have tried to figure it out in that sailfish IDE. But after seeing the amount of new apps to sailfish drain, several years in between hardware changes I am not so sure it will be worth the effort10:49
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inte[m]but wouldnt it be worth some efforts to somehow trick the android app to switch to the connected state?10:59
inte[m]oh. ooooh. https://together.jolla.com/question/170717/sailfish-x-does-it-support-usb-otg/11:01
inte[m]that sucks of course11:01
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abransonr0kk3rz: i think 4.1 to 4.4 is quite dramatic considering prevalence and support11:25
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abranson4.1 is unsupported, and only remains on 7.6% of devices. 4.4 still has 16% and is offically supported11:26
abransonnot for long, but it's two very different sides of the tracks11:26
r0kk3rztrue11:26
r0kk3rzbut tbh jolla needs to pay someone like krnlyng to work on anbox full time :)11:27
abransonwell they're already paying him full time, but I'm not at liberty to say what he's working on :P11:28
r0kk3rzyeah well you needed a good libhybris hacker on staff11:30
abransontell me about it. sailfish x is a hell of a lot more working than it would have been without his arrival :D11:33
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