#jollamobile log for Wednesday, 2017-11-08

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pdanekNokia N900 is very nice condition (not new though)04:19
pdanekFor 45 eur04:19
pdanekIs it worth it?04:20
rydareit was a pretty unique device from what i hear04:22
rydareyou can do a lot of dev stuff with it iirc, but I'm sure every owner wouldn't turn down a faster processor and better screen like you'd find on a newer device04:23
jonwilI love my N900 and wouldn't downgrade to an iPhone or an Android device :)04:24
rydareoh you still use yours as a daily driver?04:24
rydarediscount my testimony greatly, we have someone who has used one!04:24
jonwilYep04:24
jonwilI very much do04:24
rydareUses one!04:24
rydareit was released in 2009???04:25
rydareand it's 2017 now?04:25
jonwilIt does all the things I really need it to04:26
jonwilI can use it for calls and SMS.04:26
rydareI can't use anything that has a headphone jack04:26
jonwilI can read my email and many web forums I like to follow04:26
rydarehaha just kidding i love my headphone jack04:26
rydareyeah so it still gets the job done for you?04:27
rydarethat's nice, I constantly think i need to upgrade to something better04:27
pdanekrydare: I didn't mean to buy it as daily driver of course04:29
pdanekI had N900 twice, long time ago04:29
pdanekI want to buy it and keep it as antique04:29
rydareyou europeans have weird antiques04:30
pdanekWondering if 45 eur is good price04:30
pdanek:D04:30
rydarebut i like it04:30
rydareso I will befriend you04:30
pdanekHow do you know I'm european?04:30
rydareanyone who had a n900 twice and buying it in Euros must be European!04:30
pdanek:D04:30
rydarewe don't get cool phone stuff here in Canada'04:30
rydarewe in fact have the biggest BLOODSUCKING alliance of 3 phone carriers here04:31
pdanekCan't you just do pay as you go?04:32
rydareused to be you'd get $20 a month off your bill for bringing your own device, now you'll only get $1004:32
pdanekAnd buy unlocked phones04:32
rydarephone bill a month is like $9004:32
pdanekOh04:32
pdanekI pay about 50 eur a month04:32
pdanekPay as you go04:32
rydaremine was like $89.41 with GST04:32
rydarehow much data do you get04:32
rydarei get 3GB04:32
pdanekUnlimited data (real unlimited, no hidden fup)04:32
pdanekUnlimited calls and sms04:33
rydareyeah we get that but only in Canada04:33
pdanekAnd 30GB data in other EU countries04:33
rydarecool which EU country is yours04:33
pdanekSlovakia, but I live in Sweden, so Swedish SIM04:33
rydareimmigrants like you are ruining sweden04:34
rydareDO YOU EVEN HAVE BLONDE HAIR?04:34
rydarehahaha just teasing04:34
pdanek:D04:34
rydareI know there's tensions there now04:34
rydarehow'd you end up in Sweden?  seems like a cool place minus some of the crime04:34
pdanekYeah, it's mostly due to middle east migrants04:34
pdanekSome of them I mean04:35
pdanekCan't generalize04:35
rydaredon't let them catch you saying that, you'll be put in a reeducation camp04:35
pdanek:)04:35
pdanekIt's quite free speech04:35
rydarehello EUIRCOPS???? I have a complaint!04:35
pdanekPeople here are more open to speak than in UK04:35
pdanekIn UK people acted much more politically correct04:35
pdanekEven too much04:35
rydarewell they're going to prison for facebook posts04:36
pdanekAnd I'm here as IT consultant04:36
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pdanekIt's cool, I like people04:36
pdanekSwedish are very nice to work with04:37
rydarethe beautiful women, the ok i guess guys04:37
pdanekToo tall for me04:37
rydareno homo04:37
pdanekI'm 172 :D04:37
rydareoh really04:37
rydarei'm fairly short too04:37
rydareI'll be right back04:38
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pdanekAny of you guys is still into the Neo900?05:31
pdanekEvery year or so I open their webpage and it's always few weeks away from some prototype05:32
pdanekLike a time loop :)05:32
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pdanekSpeaking of Nokia N90005:50
pdanekWhat did you consider as crucial hw advantage over smartphones today, the keyboard or the stylus?05:51
pdanekSo would today's flagship competitor to N900 be Blackberry or Galaxy Note?05:52
Nicd-stylus is nice but let's be real, it was only a side effect of the N900 touchscreen being absolutely dreadful06:17
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lpotterwell.. there are two types of touchscreens - capacitive or resistive. back then capacitive was cost prohibitive07:35
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Nicd-that doesn't make it any better :P07:44
SQUelcherI still love my E90 (plus most of the ancient communicators)... who needs touchscreens anyway07:55
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lpotterI have an E90 I havent touched in years08:07
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SQUelcherI've got 5 or 6 of them, with broken microphones...08:10
SQUelcherlpotter: It's useless to touch them, they don't have touch input :P08:11
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kimmolihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a5zTTYaNl8 ?08:19
rydareI'm much more tolerant with korean stuff, they get away with stuff that i would just consider bad if done by a western person08:21
hagizQuick question here, struggling with stability and random reboots and I need phone to "just work" on a work trip I'm on, is it possible to install twrp directly to xperia x when it has sailfish? Just want to flash an android rom as quick as possible08:22
hagizpreferably in a way where it's not a huge hassle to revert back to sailfish when I get home :)08:25
rydarewell hagiz, you have basically an unlocked Xperia X, if you want to flash a recovery i'm sure it wouldn't harm the device.   might harm sailfish though08:25
rydarei'm not an expert though08:26
rydarei've mostly used nexus devices and recovery imgs are simple enough to flash08:26
hagizI'll just do a backup of SFOS and give it a try then08:27
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hagizthought I read something about sailfish using an old kernel, so thought it might be a hassle to get it back again after, should have brought a backup device hehe08:29
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inte[m]it's the first thing I hear that SFOS on the Xperia X is more unstable as on e.g. Jolla/Jolla C09:36
inte[m]It's even harder to believe SFOS is so unstable it wouldn't be useable for daily usage09:36
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inte[m]so what is the point in particular?09:37
inte[m]Asking as I have not flashed SFOS on my XperiaX yet09:37
Nicd-they left already09:37
inte[m]ups thanks09:38
inte[m]so is SFOS on the Xperia unstable?09:38
Nicd-I don't know, I don't have one09:40
* inte haven't even heard about anything like this before09:40
intehasn't09:41
teveit's stable for me09:41
inte[m]that is what I've thought :)09:42
inte[m]maybe a hardware problem09:42
tevetjc would be full of angry reports if unstable09:42
inte[m]jup, and I haven't read anything like that yet09:42
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intewhoups, I've left the server09:53
intethe matrix bridge appears to be down currently09:54
intemaybe they ran out of money?09:55
intejust kidding :)09:55
Nicd-not unlikely09:55
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intehope not!09:57
intematrix is really nice09:57
inteand, btw., the slack bridge is still working09:57
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Nicd-seems it came back10:00
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intemh, not for me yet10:09
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inte[m]test10:09
inte[m]ah, now10:11
inte[m]appears to be somewhat laggy10:11
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pahartikinte[m]: My "Sailfish X" has not crashed, but once I had to kill Bluetooth pairing dialog over SSH as it got stuck and would not go away10:21
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intewell it is well know bt is not yet fully implemented and i wouldn't conclude a sfx device wasn't ready for daily usage due to bt problems10:23
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intemaybe that guy didnt start from a clean install and now has something messed up10:24
pahartikinte[m]: Once I tried voice telephone call, remote end complained about echo problem when trying to use on-board loudspeaker, and with external Bluetooth loudspeaker remote end did not get voice10:26
intemh10:27
intethat neednt be a device problem10:27
intei have experienced similar problems on a variety of devices10:27
intecould be network configuration issues10:27
intei once even received a call and heard some people talking in a different language but they wouldnt hear me10:28
inteits weired sometimes :)10:28
pahartikinte[m]: I have used internal loudspeaker on "Jolla Mobile" for almost every voice telephone call, and sometimes that Bluetooth loudspeaker10:29
pahartikinte[m]: Due to not wanting to hold device during voice telephone call10:33
intethats pretty unconfortable when you're on the street, train etc :)10:39
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pahartikinte: Oh, I do not use voice telephone calls without nice quiet environment... If I had to, I would use Bluetooth headset11:33
inte[m]may I ask why?11:34
inte[m]having bt (which is pulsed) next to your head is probably worse then having cdma (which is NOT pulsed)11:35
inte[m]when regarding health aspects11:35
pahartikinte[m]: I want quiet location for performing voice telephone call, and both hands available for keyboard or whatever activities11:41
inte[m]oh ok so why don't you use your computer for calls then?11:42
jankratochvilBecause there is no PSTN interface for computers.11:44
inte[m]of course there is11:44
inte[m]you could use old modems11:44
inte[m]or just voip11:44
jankratochvilI am not aware what do you mean by "old modems" for voice calls.  VoIP does not work as there is no QoS, it still sucks even on 100Mbit ADSL.11:46
r0kk3rzinte[m]: why would you do that when you have a perfectly good phone?11:48
jankratochvilBecause computer is more comfortable to use than a phone.  Why to use two devices when I can use just one.  Single addressbook etc.11:49
r0kk3rzsure, the single address book is on the phone, its nice and portable and you can take it with you too11:50
inteyou can use kde connect i think11:51
intei have it installed on my jolla and it displays incoming sms11:51
intei guess there are far more features available for android phones, probably including calls11:52
inteim pretty sure i had a pots modem (56k or sth.) with a headset connection long ago11:52
intethere are(were?) also pots phones available which can be controled remotely11:53
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inteanyways, i was thinking that if you use your phone when on the pc anyways, why dont you use a pots phone11:56
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jankratochvilThese are still all workarounds.  If telcos did not have conflict of interest for data vs. voice (=QoS+expensive) connectivity it would be all easier.  LTE even already does use QoS but one cannot use the voice-grade service for data.11:56
inte[m]its also a regulatory thing i guess11:56
inte[m]however, my fritzbox modem also does qos for voip calls11:57
inte[m]i still use isdn though :)11:57
jankratochvil"regulators" are bribed by telcos, at least in Czech.11:57
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inte[m]this is really funny15:21
inte[m]not only for the german speaking people  in this forum15:21
inte[m]just read the wifi-calling instructions of my cell phone provider @ https://hilfe.o2online.de/docs/DOC-3301-community-wiki-natives-wifi-calling#jive_content_id_Wie_aktiviere_ich_WIFICalling_bei_meinen_Samsung_Galaxy15:21
inte[m]so guess what the name of the wifi in the example setup is... :-)15:22
inte[m]that is somewhat funny :)15:23
inte[m]s/forum/channel15:23
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r0kk3rzfunny in a german sense of humour way? because i dont get it :)15:25
inte[m]look at the screenshot :)15:25
inte[m]https://hilfe.o2online.de/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/102-3301-57-63044/506-900/Screenshot_20170727-191613.png15:26
r0kk3rzah, i see it now15:26
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r0kk3rzi was looking at the WLAN bevorzugt which meant nothing to me :)15:27
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inte[m]i find that funny, it's still a somewhat official o2 blog entry :)15:27
inte[m]that must obviously mean O2 will start selling jolla/sfos phones shortly!!!11!115:27
inte[m]:)15:27
inte[m]let's spread some rumors! :)15:28
r0kk3rzyes interesting, thats the default name for the jphones hotspot?15:30
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inte[m]yes i think so15:31
inte[m]at least, mine is called "jolla" and i can't remember to have changed it15:31
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kimmolithat is a community-wiki...15:44
r0kk3rzso it was probably Nicd- then :)15:45
phlixi_otalking about hotspots...15:54
phlixi_ois the wlan ap on the x fixed?15:54
inte[m]kmmoli oh16:00
inte[m]thought it was somewhat genuine16:00
inte[m]well, it's still funny though :)16:01
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