Thursday, 2023-08-17

GabrielxHello there06:32
rainemakgood morning06:33
Fubo#info Johannes Fuchs - community06:57
rainemakFubo, meeting will start soon06:58
ExTechOpGood morning, everyone!06:59
direc85[m]Good morning!06:59
rainemak#startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th Aug 202307:00
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rainemak#info Meeting information and agenda can be found here:07:00
rainemakI am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive.07:00
rainemak#topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info07:00
ExTechOp#info Otto Mäkelä, community07:00
rainemakmorning b100dian07:01
b100dian#info Vlad G, community07:01
Fubo#info Johannes Fuchs - community07:01
rainemak#info Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today07:01
direc85[m]#info Matti Viljanen, community07:01
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sebix[m]#info sebix, community07:01
xenial-user#info xenial-user - lurker07:01
Keto#info Pami Ketolainen, sailor @ Jolla07:04
rainemakWe have only one topic today and let's get move to that one soon. We were fine to take it even though it arrived a bit late.07:05
rainemak#topic Helping with Community OBS (10 mins -- asked by vlagged[m] / b100dian)07:05
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rainemak#info <vlagged[m] / b100dian> The current build time for some projects (qt5.15, nodejs) may take a07:05
rainemak#info <vlagged[m] / b100dian> full day on ARM slaves. Is there anything the community can help with, like making more build07:05
rainemak#info <vlagged[m] / b100dian> slaves available? Alternatively, is setting up another OBS instance something Jolla can help with07:05
rainemak#info <vlagged[m] / b100dian> configuring?07:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> Thank you for raising this issue.07:06
rainemak#info <Jolla> We briefly discussed qt5.15 issue earlier but unfortunately, we do not have a proposal yet. Need more investigation.07:06
b100dianSo, to be clear, there was more to this question - like if community can participate with hardware.07:07
b100dianNot sure this was explained clearly07:07
rainemakIt was clear enough. Thank you for your clarification.07:08
b100dianOk, thanks for confirming07:08
sebix[m]Is that the complete answer?07:08
rainemakMy personal take is that let's say Qt5.15 should really take full day with whatever HW07:08
rainemaksebix[m], yes07:08
b100dianThat is correct, but a such build time easily beats any network lag, so in this case it should be possible to add machines from far away somehow07:09
rainemakNo comments / updates regarding how could community help / participate07:09
Ketois it a problem where more hardare would help?07:11
b100dianIn general when a chum build is happening, it might be difficult to build something else07:12
b100dianindeed that is a transient state, which does not happen that often now07:12
rainemakcorrecting myself whilst probably was clear... building Qt5.15 shouldn't take full day07:13
rainemakb100dian, noted by Jolla. let's think what can be done.07:14
b100dianthank you07:14
rainemakMaybe it's time to move on07:14
rainemak#topic Untracked bug reports (5 min -- asked by pherjung)07:15
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rainemak#info <pherjung> Untracked bug reports07:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> The Community Bug Coordination Team have done a superb job once again this fortnight.07:15
rainemak#info <Jolla> Unfortunately we didn't manage to check these after summer vacation period which is still ongoing.07:16
rainemak#info <Jolla> We'll comment results to the forum post later this week. Thank you for your understanding.07:16
rainemakI'm not sure if pherjung[m] is around to comment?07:17
rainemakTime to move on07:19
rainemak#topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by jolla / b100dian)07:20
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ExTechOpI think most of us would want to know have there been any developments on the funding and ownership front that could be shared here?07:20
rainemaklet's say for a moment on a topic. generic is coming.07:20
rainemaklet's stay for a moment on a topic. generic is coming.07:20
rainemak#info <b100dian> Open PR URL: Buffers are not always recycled automatically by b100dian07:21
ExTechOpOops, sorry, I read that as "Open discussions"07:21
rainemak#info <b100dian> The PR solves a situation observed on Zenfone 8, port based on lineage-18.1, and video playback -07:21
rainemak#info <b100dian> with new media buffers coming in with the same slot as existing ones, but without recycling old buffers07:21
rainemak#info <b100dian> (they should have been null if they were recycled). The PR tracks the old buffers and the memory07:21
rainemak#info <b100dian> pointing at them, and does two things: releases old buffers ASAP and reclaims memory only when the07:21
rainemak#info <b100dian> client (gecko-camera, gst-droid) is not using them anymore.07:21
rainemak#info <Jolla> We'll try to find somebody to review this. Thank you for your contribution.07:21
b100dianthank you. I'm available if there are questions07:22
rainemakthank you for that b100dian07:22
rainemakquestions/comments should be written down to the PR as usual07:23
rainemak^ as well07:23
rainemak#info <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss?07:23
direc85[m]How device/port specific that issue is? Is it possible that some other device unknowingly benefits from the PR?07:23
rainemaklet's cover direc85[m] 's question first before moving to "any open  PRs to discuss?"07:24
b100dianIt is. I think it is specific to media handling in Android CCodec, with newer (>=Lineage 18.1/AOSP 11) ports07:24
b100dianI have read about a possible playback error on Volla 22 (I think?) but maybe it is not related07:25
b100dianHowever, the PR should not bring any material change to device behaving as before07:25
rainemakthere are also still some async issues in the video playback07:25
rainemakI guess there are no other PRs to discuss07:26
rainemak#info Maybe worth noting that we're review Qt6 PRs that community has created07:27
rainemakLet's move on to the general discussion.07:27
rainemak#topic General discussion (20 min)07:27
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ExTechOpAgain: I think most of us would want to know have there been any developments on the funding and ownership front that could be shared here?07:27
flypig#info David Llewellyn-Jones - community (sorry for the late entry)07:27
rainemakExTechOp, no comments at this stage.07:28
rainemakgood morning flypig07:28
NicoI just wanted to mention that so far my Sailfish device has been working great on the chaos camp including their custom GSM network (just no VoLTE, but I am not sure if they even have that)07:28
flypigGood morning :)07:28
Nico#info Nico - community07:28
rainemakNico, pleased to hear07:30
flypigNico, could you share a link to the camp?07:31
rainemakyes please! :-)07:31
NicoUhm, let me look, I always struggle to find the right page, but I probably can find the blog...07:31
rainemakno worries if you don't find it07:32
NicoChaos camp blog with details:
NicoOr maybe that is the start page rather :D07:33
rainemak#info <Nico> Chaos camp blog with details
rainemakOne very interesting development related thingie is that flypig has started looking into newer gecko engine. I bet that at point he'd appreciate if others would contribute as well.07:36
rainemakFirst stages are problematic to distribute for multiple developers as he needs to get it building first.07:37
rainemakbut I do know that he has right kind of knowledge for this07:38
b100dianGreat to hear! Is that started in the gecko-dev fork? Is it needing a rust update?07:38
rainemaklet's see if flypig himself is able to comment on this07:39
rainemakpersonally I'd definitely would like to give a look to this.07:39
flypigSorry, I have an intermittent connection.07:41
rainemakno worries07:41
flypigSo far, I've not hit antyneed for a rust update, but it might come.07:42
direc85[m]The Sailfish OS Rust repo is at 1.61:
direc85[m]Which is a great upgrade over 1.52, which doesn't support Rust Edition 2021.07:43
flypigOnce it's building, I'd love help. I'm putting info here:
direc85[m]Thank you flypig!07:43
flypigThanks :) I could do with your help with rust info direc85[m] :)07:44
rainemakflypig, once you're done. I'd like to document your findings as well.07:45
rainemakgreat stuff!07:45
rainemakdocumenting to together with you of course (and that goes without saying)07:46
rainemaklet's move on07:46
flypigThat sounds good rainemak, although right now it's all very similar to ESR 78 (which is good in my opinion), so not much to add yet :)07:46
rainemakI'm thinking more about the process07:46
rainemakas you happen to take notes07:47
flypigOh, yes, excellent!07:47
rainemakonly few Sailors have "notes" regarding this :-)07:47
flypigI'm following yours, he he:)07:48
rainemak#topic Next meeting time and date (5 min)07:49
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rainemakProposing Thursday 31st August at 07:00am UTC.07:49
flypigSounds good, for what it's worth :)07:50
rainemakHow does that sound like? Back to bi-weekly schedule that is.07:50
flypigIt'll be nice to have the meetings running again.07:51
rainemaksettled then07:51
rainemak#info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 31st August 2023 at 07:00am UTC: 2023-08-31T0700Z07:51
rainemakThank you everyone for the meeting!07:51
xenial-userthx all07:52
rainemakHope everybody have had chance to relax and recharge during summer time.07:52
flypigThanks rainemak, all!07:52
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ExTechOpThank you everyone!07:53

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