| ExTechOp | Good Morning, everyone! | 06:56 |
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| Crabster | morning | 06:59 |
| direc85 | Good morning | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 4th July 2024 | 07:02 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Jul 4 07:02:00 2024 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:02 |
| sailbot | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | 07:02 |
| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 07:02 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-4th-july-2024/19089 | 07:02 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 07:02 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 07:02 |
| ExTechOp | #intro Otto Mäkelä, community | 07:02 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, sailor @ Jolla, chairperson today | 07:02 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 07:02 |
| direc85 | #info Matti Viljanen, community | 07:02 |
| Crabster | #info Crabster - lurker | 07:02 |
| Thaodan | #info Björn Bidar, sailor @ Jolla | 07:02 |
| TheKitchenSink | #info TheKitchenSink community | 07:03 |
| rainemak | #topic Changing the weather provider for the next release (5mins -- asked by tuplasuhveli) | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> User @tohaturok was able to utilise OpenWeather API for | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> the Weather app. Have there been any plans or work done | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> to include this (or any other API change) to the upcoming | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <tuplasuhveli> Sailfish release? | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/change-weather-provider-to-yr-no-for-the-default-weather-app/18078/13 | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> We have been following closely tohaturok's work. It's great work! | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Same time we're progressing with open sourcing of the weather app | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> but requires still actions from our side. | 07:05 |
| rainemak | I also commented to this matter right after tohaturok completed switch. | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/change-weather-provider-to-yr-no-for-the-default-weather-app/18078/15 | 07:05 |
| ExTechOp | (also, for some reason, under the current Sauna release I have not been to get MeeCast to work as a weather data provider, or was this addressed somewhere?) | 07:07 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, I doubt that it has something to do with Sauna release | 07:07 |
| piggz[m] | #info piggz communiy | 07:07 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, did you check this one https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/change-weather-provider-to-yr-no-for-the-default-weather-app/18078/20 | 07:08 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/change-weather-provider-to-yr-no-for-the-default-weather-app/18078/20?u=rainemak | 07:08 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, working as a weather data provider leaves many open questions | 07:08 |
| Thaodan | Was about to link that. 4.6.0 disabled the weather widget by default. | 07:08 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, hopefully your MeeCast issue is only about the dconf | 07:10 |
| rainemak | We have only two topics. Let's extend this by 5mins. | 07:10 |
| ExTechOp | MeeCast gave me weather in the Events view, it no longer works after Sauna. Could of course be something else, will look at that. Thanks! | 07:11 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, no longer works or no longer visible | 07:12 |
| rainemak | dconf write /desktop/lipstick-jolla-home/force_weather_loading true | 07:12 |
| ExTechOp | No longer visible, so sounds like its that | 07:13 |
| rainemak | "To note that it takes effect when entering the events view again so it was open need to do couple of swipes to get out and back." | 07:13 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, great. Indeed sounds like this. | 07:13 |
| rainemak | time to move on | 07:14 |
| rainemak | #topic DBusInterface (Nemo.Dbus) docs and properties (5mins -- asked by rubdos) | 07:15 |
| ExTechOp | And that indeed did work. Thanks! | 07:15 |
| rainemak | Great! | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> DBusInterface is not very easy to work with in it’s current | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> state. According to the source code, it exposes some very useful | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> properties like a status field, but I haven’t been able to use it | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> yet. Any chance this gets documented? getProperty is also | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> undocumented, but is rather useful. Additionally, exposing DBus | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> properties as QML properties would be even more awesome! | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> Currently, I’m using DBusInterface by updating some QML | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> properties when a signal comes in, and that sounds far from | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <rubdos> ideal. | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus/blob/92ef3cde592458cded496293eeb30e6238763b78/src/plugin/declarativedbusinterface.cpp#L182 | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #link https://gitlab.com/whisperfish/whisperfish/-/merge_requests/598#note_1976614353 | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #link https://gitlab.com/whisperfish/whisperfish/-/merge_requests/598/diffs#e9b960c09e426eff2ff74126e613e8655a83d052_342_342 | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Note added regarding DBusInterface documentation. | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> When it comes to exposing D-Bus property as QML properties that is | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> quite a bit more complex that you may initially think. That would | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> likely require that developer using DBusInterface would need to | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> declare properties in QML and then through meta object | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> DBusInterface would update them given that those are declared in | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> the first place. | 07:15 |
| rainemak | As usual contributions are welcome for the DBusInterface documentation itself. | 07:18 |
| rainemak | Silence... | 07:20 |
| rainemak | If no comments, time to move on | 07:20 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 07:20 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Any open PRs to discuss? | 07:20 |
| flypig | I don't have an open PRs to mention, but it was nice to see all of the build chain improvements going through. | 07:23 |
| rainemak | Yeap, it's getting better and better... step-by-step | 07:23 |
| rainemak | This kind of changes are easier to handle by doing incremental updates | 07:24 |
| rainemak | Similar changes that jlaakkonen is doing with connman | 07:24 |
| flypig | Is there a timeline for Rust 1.79? | 07:24 |
| flypig | https://github.com/sailfishos/rust/pull/23 | 07:24 |
| direc85 | Sorry, scroll bug... I'm here :) | 07:25 |
| rainemak | Would need to check gecko build against that one | 07:25 |
| flypig | (you may have already discussed the Rust update, but I missed it if you did I'm afraid) | 07:25 |
| flypig | It sounds like there's some more to do before it goes through then. | 07:26 |
| rainemak | shall we move to general discussion... we can continue this one there | 07:26 |
| flypig | Sounds good. | 07:26 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (10 mins) | 07:27 |
| direc85 | We'll have a look at improving the documentation | 07:28 |
| rainemak | flypig, I'd interested to hook esr91 to our OBS. What's the status of the repositories. Of course, WebView, Browser, WebGL combo do not need to work on the wip branch. | 07:28 |
| flypig | I think the FIREFOX_ESR_91_9_X_RELBRANCH_patches branch, which is the ESR 91 branch I'm working on, should build and work. | 07:30 |
| dcaliste | Congratulations by the way flypig for your dedication. Seeing it working on the blog was a great achievement. | 07:30 |
| direc85 | I'll also have to check on the status property, as rubdos[m] has the status property "doesn't seem to work" - I think that means onStatusChanged() doesn't work | 07:31 |
| rainemak | direc85, declaring D-Bus properties as QML properties would be tricky. Think about QML property bindings and plausible mess that we'd cause when breaking them from C++ when D-Bus property changes. | 07:33 |
| flypig | Thanks dcaliste... finally my I've found a use for my pigheadedness ;) But I have to say it pales into comparison with your own dedication working on qmf etc. | 07:34 |
| rainemak | dcaliste, totally agree! Huge effort and what a dedication & commitment from flypig | 07:34 |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak. Have to get it over the line now. | 07:35 |
| rainemak | like commented on the last week's newsletter... I thinking that we'd pause irc meetings for time of July | 07:36 |
| rainemak | I'm | 07:37 |
| dcaliste | Thank you flypig, indeed, I'm currently trying to upstream the SSO patch in QMF… It took me some months also, but not of daily work ! | 07:37 |
| direc85 | Great work flypig, enjoy the latest win! | 07:38 |
| flypig | Thanks direc85 :) | 07:38 |
| dcaliste | rainemak, pausing seems fair to me. Many people will be on vacation. And if not it will be plenty of discussions ready for the restart. | 07:38 |
| flypig | dcaliste, so you have a link to the SSO patch? | 07:39 |
| dcaliste | The upstreaming : https://codereview.qt-project.org/c/qt-labs/messagingframework/+/573489?usp=search | 07:39 |
| dcaliste | And the original patch : https://github.com/sailfishos/messagingframework/blob/master/rpm/0003-SSO-integration.patch | 07:40 |
| flypig | I agree about pausing. It's nice to have the meetings, but I appreciate it's a lot of work and it's good to breath occasionally. | 07:40 |
| rainemak | I'd say that we have seen great achievements from many! Being it gecko, qmf, llvm, rust, ... | 07:40 |
| dcaliste | The original was not upstreamable as is, because it created a hard dependency on SSO. So I've reworked it to put the SSO mechanism behind a plugin. | 07:40 |
| direc85 | I agree too; I'll be away for some time as well | 07:40 |
| flypig | Thanks dcaliste. I'm out of touch here, but might this bring OAuth to IMAP? | 07:41 |
| direc85 | Thank you rainemak :) | 07:41 |
| flypig | direc85, are you saying that when you update a properly, you'd expect a dbus signal to be emitted, but it's not? | 07:41 |
| dcaliste | Oh yes, if needed it won't be a lot of work. | 07:41 |
| flypig | dcaliste, that's really amazing! Wonderful! | 07:41 |
| rainemak | moving on | 07:42 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins) | 07:42 |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 8th August at 07:00am UTC | 07:42 |
| dcaliste | flypig, do you know a server where I could test it ? I mean OAuth2 on imap ? gmail.com has its own XOAuth2 but I'm more thinking of OAUTHBEARER. My provider don't offer it… | 07:43 |
| TheKitchenSink | If its ok I just have a quick question that can be addressed after the meeting from wintery land down under? and thanks to all of you for your work! | 07:43 |
| flypig | rainemak: LGTM | 07:43 |
| rainemak | Then we could set a target for next community newsletter to 1st August | 07:43 |
| ExTechOp | That 8th August would work. | 07:43 |
| dcaliste | That's fine with me rainemak. | 07:44 |
| flypig | dcaliste, not off the top of my head, but if I think of something open I'll let you know. | 07:44 |
| direc85 | flypig, I think it's the other way around; when the DBus interface status changes, onStatusChanged(status) seems to not fire. The idea is to check that the DBus service exists so we can hide/show the relevant UI bits. | 07:44 |
| flypig | direc85, so the issue is for consuming a dbus service, not exposing one? | 07:44 |
| direc85 | flypig, yes | 07:45 |
| rainemak | direc85, I vaguely remember that we added some sort service registered | 07:45 |
| flypig | direc85, I see, thanks for clarifying. | 07:45 |
| dcaliste | Thank you flypig. | 07:45 |
| direc85 | rainemak, thanks, I'll check that | 07:45 |
| direc85 | It rings a bell of mine too... | 07:46 |
| dcaliste | Actually gmail.com also offers OAUTHBEARER, so I may test it with gmail… | 07:46 |
| flypig | TheKitchenSink, please do ask; nice to see you from down under! | 07:46 |
| rainemak | watchServiceStatus: true | 07:46 |
| rainemak | then status should work | 07:46 |
| rainemak | Sha1 2ce103f2820cdaff2ce0136248bf85cd1df795b7 | 07:46 |
| TheKitchenSink | @Flypig thanks! - Hopefully this is an ok place for it but I was after an official answer (and am happy for that to be after the meeting) to my question in the forum - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/volte-provider-support/11501/331 | 07:47 |
| TheKitchenSink | Asking/confirming if SailfishOS routes emergency calls for 000 (australia) / 112 over VoLTE (given the safety critical nature of my question in the face of a pending countrywide 3G shutdown in the next few months (and the fact I cant test it myself) if possible id like an official answer) but like I say happy for that to be in the forum after the meeting!/Taken on notice | 07:47 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 8th August 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-08-08T0700Z | 07:47 |
| direc85 | Aug 8th works for me tii | 07:47 |
| direc85 | *too | 07:47 |
| rainemak | I wish relaxing and sunny summer! | 07:47 |
| flypig | Thanks rainemak, you too! | 07:48 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you everyone, have a good summer! | 07:48 |
| direc85 | Thanks, enjoy the summer! It's been quite a nice one so far! | 07:48 |
| dcaliste | Thank you, happy summer (or winter) for all ! | 07:48 |
| TheKitchenSink | Enjoy the winter.... Oh right summer for most of you! | 07:48 |
| ExTechOp | Ah yes, TheKitchenSink, enjoy your winter break! | 07:48 |
| TheKitchenSink | no break here! 6 months away for us! | 07:49 |
| rainemak | See you in a month | 07:49 |
| TheKitchenSink | its all upside down in the land downunder! | 07:49 |
| flypig | TheKitchenSink: I don't know the answer I'm afraid, but it looks like the sort of question that Jolla would want to give an official answer to. So would be a perfect question for the next meeting. | 07:49 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 07:49 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Jul 4 07:49:22 2024 UTC. | 07:49 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-07-04-07.02.html | 07:49 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-07-04-07.02.txt | 07:49 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-07-04-07.02.log.html | 07:49 |
| direc85 | I'll do some testing next week and I'll try to get the documentation improved a little :) | 07:49 |
| rainemak | direc85, please check that 2ce103f2820cdaff2ce0136248bf85cd1df795b7 from the nemo-qml-plugin-dbus | 07:50 |
| flypig | Please share how you get on in the next meeting direc85, so we can hear about the results. | 07:50 |
| ExTechOp | Looking forward to seeing Sony Xperia 10V in August! | 07:51 |
| direc85 | Will do, thanks! | 07:51 |
| ExTechOp | (I mean, SFOS on the Sony) | 07:51 |
| flypig | dcaliste, I was wondering if outlook/office365/exchange might support it. I'll have a look into it. | 07:51 |
| TheKitchenSink | Flypig: i thought it would be too, hence asking it - just 5pm australian local is hard to guarantee that i can actually show up! | 07:51 |
| flypig | I admire your dedication today TheKitchnSink! But you don't have to turn up to ask a question and get an answer (and I'd be happy to act as a proxy for you if that would help). | 07:52 |
| TheKitchenSink | Obviously it would be an easy to test if it wasnt illegal for me to do so! | 07:53 |
| flypig | That does make it more challenging :D | 07:53 |
| TheKitchenSink | Flypig thanks! ill nominate you and ask the question for the next meeting, since i suspect its going to impact lots of people over time, the fact netmon has an X next to emergency doesnt fill me with absolutely confidence! And i actually daily drive SFOS here so no emergency calls would = big problem! | 07:54 |
| * direc85 smiles in testing Whisperfish :') | 07:54 | |
| flypig | Yeah, I think it's a really good question to ask TheKitchnSink, and a very valid concern of course. | 07:55 |
| TheKitchenSink | Yes, so ill add it to the next meeting! and thanks for agreeing to be my proxy if i cant make it! | 07:59 |
| TheKitchenSink | Tis home time for me now! But thanks Flypig! (and also thanks for your work on SFOS more generally) sadly im no dev so am not much help but do follow the repo's! | 08:00 |
| TheKitchenSink | Bye All! | 08:02 |
| rubdos[m] | <rainemak> "Silence..." <- Yeh, I should've postponed that to the next meeting. Sorry about that! | 18:20 |
| rubdos[m] | Thanks for the comments on my question though!# | 18:21 |
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