| ExTechOp | Good Morning, everyone! (the "next meeting" date on the channel title does not seem to have been updated) | 06:39 |
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| Crabster | morning | 06:54 |
| rubdos[m] | o/ | 06:56 |
| rainemak | good morning | 06:59 |
| direc85 | Good morning! | 06:59 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 19th September 2024 | 06:59 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Sep 19 06:59:59 2024 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:59 |
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| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-19th-september-2024/19901 | 07:00 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 07:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 07:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 19th September 2024)" | 07:00 | |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 07:00 |
| rubdos[m] | #info Ruben De Smet, community | 07:00 |
| direc85 | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 07:01 |
| Crabster | #info Crabster - lurker | 07:01 |
| pvuorela | #info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla | 07:01 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 07:02 |
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| flypig | #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community | 07:02 |
| sebix[m] | #info Sebix, community | 07:02 |
| rainemak | No topics today. Let's try to keep this brief if plausible -- we have a planning day starting right after this one. | 07:03 |
| sebix[m] | Does anyone have further input to the Hackathon (happening on the following weekend)? | 07:04 |
| rubdos[m] | Q for the hackathon: any forecast on the weather conditions? | 07:04 |
| rainemak | sebix[m], a good topic for general discussion | 07:04 |
| Thaodan | #info Björn Bidar , Sailor @ Jolla | 07:04 |
| flypig | sebix[m]: could you summarise the plan? | 07:05 |
| rainemak | please let's take that for generic | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 07:05 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 19th September 2024)" | 07:05 | |
| rainemak | I know that flypig has some :-) => I haven't had time for check them | 07:06 |
| rainemak | again that is | 07:06 |
| rubdos[m] | Which ones would that be? ^^ | 07:06 |
| flypig | Maybe this would also be a good one to flag: | 07:07 |
| flypig | https://github.com/sailfishos/embedlite-components/pull/101 | 07:07 |
| rainemak | rubdos[m], xulrunner PR | 07:07 |
| rubdos[m] | Hehe, I know, just joking. I'll keep it to myself :) | 07:07 |
| flypig | Unfortunately I'm stuck making your requested changes to the gecko-dev PR rainemak. I can't get it to work if I start the browsaer with the prefs set to true. I'll persevere with it though. | 07:08 |
| flypig | That's on this one for ref: https://github.com/sailfishos/gecko-dev/pull/162 | 07:09 |
| flypig | But, no rush for these, and no need to further discuss them today. | 07:09 |
| rainemak | flypig, that embedlite-components PR looks pretty straightforward | 07:11 |
| rainemak | => merged | 07:12 |
| flypig | rainemak: yes, I agree. | 07:12 |
| flypig | Brilliant, thank you! | 07:12 |
| rainemak | let's move to the general discussion | 07:12 |
| rainemak | if nothing else | 07:12 |
| direc85 | I should test building esr91 with the Rust 1.78 and LLVM PRs, I don't remember if there was something else holding those up. | 07:12 |
| direc85 | https://github.com/sailfishos/rust/pull/23 and https://github.com/sailfishos/llvm/pull/6 for reference | 07:12 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/embedlite-components/pull/101 | 07:13 |
| direc85 | *Rust 1.79 | 07:13 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/gecko-dev/pull/162 | 07:13 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/rust/pull/23 | 07:13 |
| rainemak | #link https://github.com/sailfishos/llvm/pull/6 | 07:13 |
| flypig | direc85: if I get time I'll try that too and post what happens on the PRs. | 07:14 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (20 mins) | 07:14 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (20 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 19th September 2024)" | 07:14 | |
| sebix[m] | Concerning the weather in Prague next weekend: Depending on the source 15-20°C and partly cloudy. But no significant rain and therefore no floods :) | 07:15 |
| direc85 | flypig, thanks, let's see how it goes | 07:15 |
| rubdos[m] | Good, then I'll finally book all my tickets :'-) | 07:16 |
| rubdos[m] | Any suggested hotel/place to stay? | 07:16 |
| flypig | sebix[m]: As I've not followed all the conversation on the forum, I'm keen to know what the plan is. | 07:16 |
| flypig | I'm also interested to hear accommodation advice! | 07:16 |
| direc85 | Do we have any estimate of how many people will join? | 07:20 |
| rubdos[m] | #info https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/september-27-30-sailathon-24-in-prague/19912 Topic for Prague next week | 07:21 |
| rubdos[m] | ^ contains a list of sign-ups | 07:21 |
| sebix[m] | flypig: There's no schedule yet as far as I know apart from the location and the start at 9h. But I myself will only arrive at 12am though. I guess we do organize and plan once we meet there or do it day by day. I can assist in doing that, and organize for example some common workgroups or modus operandi | 07:21 |
| sebix[m] | direc85: Currently 11 people confirmed | 07:22 |
| b100dian[m] | Me an Mark are round this area 50°04'34.74"N 14°24'11.20"E which is a walk in the Kinsky Garden park away from the venue, Patrick found a hotel more or less in the opposite direction (so N-W) . Maybe we should also post that on the forum | 07:22 |
| flypig | Thanks sebix[m]. Is that 9:00 on Friday morning? | 07:23 |
| flypig | b100dian[m]: I think that's really helpful info to share on the forum. | 07:23 |
| sebix[m] | <flypig> "I'm also interested to hear..." <- to be honest I just looked online whats nearby, available and is not too expensive. I have been there a few times in the past for work but the hotels I used back then are too expensive for non-business trips for me | 07:24 |
| sebix[m] | flypig: yes, I think so | 07:24 |
| flypig | But it's okay to turn up late (i.e. on Saturday, say)? | 07:24 |
| sebix[m] | flypig: There are no obligations :) | 07:25 |
| b100dian[m] | I mysekf am only flying on Friday so I'll miss most of the first day. So don't worry:) | 07:25 |
| flypig | Okay, that's reassuring to hear :) | 07:25 |
| flypig | Thank you! | 07:25 |
| flypig | It'sa super-exciting :D | 07:26 |
| rubdos[m] | I'm very much looking forward to it :) | 07:26 |
| * rubdos[m] AFK for 10 mins | 07:26 | |
| b100dian[m] | #info Vlad G., community | 07:27 |
| b100dian[m] | Forgot proper introduction, sorry for being late | 07:27 |
| b100dian[m] | We should make an actual plan what to hack on in the following days, the original pist on the firum mentions this Friday setting this more or less in stone | 07:29 |
| b100dian[m] | *post in the forum | 07:30 |
| flypig | I have to drop off (train arriving at the station). Looking forward to the hackathon and enjoy the sauna today sailors! | 07:30 |
| rainemak | I'm coming there as well | 07:30 |
| sebix[m] | Topics that I'd really like to see discussed at the hackathon are the issues and problems that we are facing on the larger scale. For example, how can be make SFOS more accessible, more successful and financially sustainable etc. | 07:30 |
| direc85 | I'm joining too | 07:31 |
| sebix[m] | Not only the - very important of course - deep-dive technical hacking. | 07:31 |
| b100dian[m] | I agree SFOS is still pretty much unknown.. Needs more coverage:) | 07:32 |
| b100dian[m] | @direc85 nice! | 07:32 |
| rubdos[m] | sustainability is key indeed. So many people were looking at me in agony going through my broken Xperia 10, while I'm still waiting for the IV release :'-) | 07:34 |
| rubdos[m] | It makes a bad impression, is what I mean | 07:35 |
| sebix[m] | Yeah, I have the problem that I can't recommend SFOS to non-technical people even though they are very much interested in privacy/security on their phones and would be actually the perfect target group :/ | 07:36 |
| sebix[m] | Some weeks ago I had a good exchange with Antti on this | 07:37 |
| rainemak | before ExTechOp asks, Xperia 10 IV and 10 V images are on cbeta now | 07:38 |
| ExTechOp | \o/ | 07:38 |
| piggz[m] | general question by me a sailor might have seen before ... as part of an sdk build, some files are generated, but fail to install due to permission error. within the sdk, it looks like r permission exists, but from the host, files are missing r, only have w permission. and sailor seen behaviour like this? | 07:38 |
| rubdos[m] | I'm basically surrounded by people of the "just use Lineage" type, and I don't blame them. I'm not sure how we can make a constructive hackathon on that topic though, but it's certainly an interesting topic! | 07:38 |
| piggz[m] | nevermind, i think i found it already :) | 07:39 |
| dcaliste | Maybe coming back to creating a list of papercut issues ? Defining what is a papercut and what is not is a difficult problem though. | 07:40 |
| piggz[m] | or did i.... | 07:40 |
| ExTechOp | rainemak What does the cbeta phase mean in practical terms, when can we expect a working install to become available to the general public? | 07:40 |
| sebix[m] | rubdos[m]: Maybe we can get a common understanding and develop some ideas etc. I guess we can't change the world on a single weekend, but we can make an important step :) | 07:40 |
| rubdos[m] | absolutely | 07:41 |
| sebix[m] | dcaliste: Yeah, I did like the idea of the papercut list/thread a lot | 07:41 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, the first images are with issues like communicated multiple times. Now we just check that all is good flashing and installation wise then roll out to public for the brave community members | 07:41 |
| rubdos[m] | I understood there's very little time between cbeta and EA lately :-) | 07:42 |
| rainemak | rubdos[m], I wanted it so :-) | 07:42 |
| ExTechOp | Since I've selected the "[×] I am brave and might be an early adopter" I might then see it soon, thanks! | 07:42 |
| direc85 | For reference, KDE has 15-minute bugs instead of papercuts, but the idea is pretty much the same. | 07:42 |
| dcaliste | sebix[m], yeh, that's the list of all the little things that Linux users can easily circumvent via SSH or because they know how it works, but that usual users cannot overcome and which block a larger adoption. | 07:43 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, for this one early adopter is probably more than community members have used to see | 07:43 |
| rainemak | direc85, honestly there's no such thing as 15-minute bug ;-) | 07:43 |
| dcaliste | There was this epic thread on TJC : https://together.jolla.com/question/217491/wiki-100-paper-cuts-in-sfos-3/ | 07:44 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, known issues like Camera disabled, Fingerprint not working on 10 V and Battery status no updating on 10 V to name major ones <= imo | 07:44 |
| direc85 | rainemak: from certain point of view that is true x) | 07:44 |
| direc85 | More info about how KDE handles the 15-minute bugs: https://pointieststick.com/2024/02/08/15-minute-bug-initiative-update/ | 07:45 |
| dcaliste | Some of these little annoyances were squashed. Some are still present and harder to solve. | 07:45 |
| rubdos[m] | care to differ, https://gitlab.com/whisperfish/whisperfish/-/merge_requests/629 was a 15 minute fix ;-) | 07:45 |
| direc85 | rubdos[m]: just noticed that the review took 43 seconds :D | 07:46 |
| rubdos[m] | It was a very obvious fix :'-) | 07:47 |
| rainemak | rubdos[m], I'm counting whole duration ;-) from finding issues, context switching, fixing it, testing, reviewing, integrating, etc ;-) | 07:47 |
| rubdos[m] | testing is overrated! Just hit merge! | 07:47 |
| rubdos[m] | (I'm kidding) | 07:47 |
| rainemak | sure | 07:47 |
| rainemak | I'm steering our operations so that we'd have earlier cbeta releases and from there to public | 07:49 |
| rubdos[m] | I'm very happy to read that rainemak. | 07:49 |
| rubdos[m] | shortening the cycle will help both Jolla and the community, I'd say | 07:49 |
| b100dian[m] | Would there be Xperia 10 4/5 devices from Jolla folks to look at the camera logs just in case..? | 07:50 |
| b100dian[m] | Although small chance if mal aready looked:D | 07:51 |
| rubdos[m] | I'm bringing my IV, my 10 I, and probably my freerunner. I can't claim that it'll be running Sailfish by the time I'm there. | 07:51 |
| rubdos[m] | But since the turnaround time is so short 🙏 | 07:51 |
| rainemak | b100dian[m], the whole camera service is disabled as it was hanging / crashing (or something like) and this way preventing suspending => causing heavy battery drain | 07:55 |
| rainemak | b100dian[m], we provided fixes but unfortunately we do not new vendor blobs yet | 07:56 |
| rainemak | b100dian[m], Camera 2 API is surely something to look | 07:56 |
| rainemak | shall we schedule our next meeting | 07:56 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (5 mins) | 07:57 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (5 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 19th September 2024)" | 07:57 | |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 3rd October at 07:00am UTC | 07:57 |
| b100dian[m] | ah, so nothing Jolla (or anyone not Sony) can do | 07:57 |
| ExTechOp | rainemak Was there any word from Sony about correcting bugs in the binary blobs? | 07:57 |
| rainemak | b100dian[m], I don't think so | 07:57 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, no news yet | 07:57 |
| ExTechOp | 3rd works for me. | 07:58 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 3rd October 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-10-03T0700Z | 07:58 |
| ExTechOp | We really need to get more people to attend these meetings. Do they get mirrored onto Matrix? | 07:59 |
| b100dian[m] | Yes | 07:59 |
| rainemak | that's it then | 07:59 |
| rubdos[m] | iCal file that holds the meeting date would still be great | 07:59 |
| b100dian[m] | If you've set up an IRC bridge for that yourself | 07:59 |
| rubdos[m] | can just dump it in my calendars | 07:59 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 07:59 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Sep 19 07:59:56 2024 UTC. | 07:59 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-09-19-06.59.html | 07:59 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-09-19-06.59.txt | 07:59 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-09-19-06.59.log.html | 07:59 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting will be held on Thursday 5th September 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-09-05T0700Z" | 07:59 | |
| ExTechOp | Thank you everyone! | 08:00 |
| rainemak | thank you everybody! | 08:00 |
| b100dian[m] | Ruben De Smet: isn't the link with the date - in the forum - doing already that, downloading an .ics? | 08:00 |
| dcaliste | Thank you. | 08:00 |
| direc85 | I just created a bi-weekly meeting in my private calendar for the rest of the year, that's usually close enough. | 08:00 |
| direc85 | Thanks everyone! | 08:00 |
| ExTechOp | b100dian[m] I'm kinda new to that part, is this explained anywhere in detail? | 08:01 |
| direc85 | ExTechOp: The Matrix-IRC bridge? https://ems-docs.element.io/books/element-support/page/using-the-matrix-irc-bridge shoud get you started :) | 08:02 |
| ExTechOp | Thanks! | 08:02 |
| Crabster | thx #? | 08:04 |
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