| Crabster | morning | 06:44 |
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| ExTechOp | Good morning/day/evening, everyone! | 06:44 |
| direc85 | Good morning! | 07:01 |
| rainemak | #startmeeting Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th October 2024 | 07:02 |
| sailbot | Meeting started Thu Oct 17 07:02:06 2024 UTC. The chair is rainemak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:02 |
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| rainemak | #info Meeting information and agenda can be found here: | 07:02 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-17th-october-2024/20226 | 07:02 |
| rainemak | I am the meeting's chairperson today, and will be doing my best to keep time and order. Please respect the timings and bee-hive. | 07:02 |
| rainemak | #topic Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info | 07:02 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Brief introduction (5 min). Please prefix your name/handle with #info (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th October 2024)" | 07:02 | |
| rainemak | Sorry for being a bit late | 07:02 |
| piggz[m] | #info piggz community | 07:02 |
| piggz[m] | Gm flypig | 07:02 |
| ExTechOp | #info Otto Mäkelä, community | 07:02 |
| flypig | Morning! | 07:03 |
| direc85 | #info Matti Viljanen, Jolla | 07:03 |
| flypig | #info David Llewellyn-Jones, community | 07:03 |
| Crabster | #info Crabster - lurker | 07:03 |
| rainemak | #info Raine Mäkeläinen, Jolla | 07:03 |
| pvuorela | #info Pekka Vuorela, Jolla | 07:04 |
| sebix[m] | #info Sebix, community | 07:04 |
| rainemak | alright, let's get started | 07:05 |
| rainemak | #topic What are Jolla’s plans on re-releasing the ca. 15 Open Source Software components at GitHub (2 mins -- asked by olf) | 07:06 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "What are Jolla’s plans on re-releasing the ca. 15 Open Source Software components at GitHub (2 mins -- asked by olf) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th October 2024)" | 07:06 | |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/community-meeting-on-17th-october-2024/20226/2 | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Too long question to be pasted here. Hence, above link. Yes, there | 07:06 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> are components in the roadmap that we're planning to open source. | 07:06 |
| dcaliste | #info Damien Caliste, community | 07:07 |
| rainemak | Next topic is similar. So, maybe we move there already. | 07:08 |
| sebix[m] | Is that the complete answer? | 07:08 |
| rainemak | yes | 07:09 |
| rainemak | #topic Jolla Weather App (2 mins -- asked by cquence) | 07:09 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Jolla Weather App (2 mins -- asked by cquence) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th October 2024)" | 07:09 | |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> Any updates on restoring/opensourcing/creating a plug-in | 07:09 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> architecture to load custom weather backends for the weather | 07:09 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> application? I really like MeeCast but I do miss the original | 07:09 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> Jolla weather app. | 07:09 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Same as above. Plug-in architecture might be a good idea how ever #info <Jolla> APIs tend to be quite service specific. How would like to see | 07:10 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> architecture evolving? | 07:10 |
| ExTechOp | Any info on the time scale for this? | 07:10 |
| rainemak | On the roadmap, hoping to get some of them out still during fall. | 07:12 |
| rainemak | #topic Decouple the device encryption password with the login screen (2mins asked by Systematics) | 07:15 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Decouple the device encryption password with the login screen (2mins asked by Systematics) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th October 2024)" | 07:15 | |
| rainemak | #info <Systematics> As raised concern in previous meetings I would like to use a | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Systematics> long and complex device encryption password for my | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Systematics> smartphone. Without a fingerprint reader I would need to type | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Systematics> the long and complex password (special characters) every time | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Systematics> if I want to unlock my phone. The C2 does not have a | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Systematics> fingerprint reader. What is the current state of decoupling | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Systematics> the password? | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Thanks for raising this again. We have not implemented anything on | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> this regards but this is not forgotten either. This keeps popping | 07:15 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> up every-now-and-then. | 07:15 |
| rainemak | Maybe somebody could remind me but I do not think we promised to implement this. Implementing this add extra bit of complexity to the device lock handling. | 07:17 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/allow-to-decouple-luks-password-from-used-security-code/7950 | 07:17 |
| piggz[m] | Reminder, community ports already have this :) | 07:18 |
| rainemak | yeap | 07:19 |
| rainemak | a question: how frequently you shutdown your device? | 07:20 |
| direc85 | As rarely as I can :) | 07:21 |
| piggz[m] | Well, probably too regularly. Waydroid on volla x23 can leak quite the ram, and too often i have to reboot, but thats an issue for me, not generally :) | 07:21 |
| ExTechOp | Not that often, maybe every couple of weeks. | 07:21 |
| direc85 | Typically it's the X10III pulseaudio bug that forces me to reboot. Restarting the service doesn't always restore the audio in phone calls. Something like once every 2-3 weeks. | 07:22 |
| sebix[m] | At least daily or until I lose audio in phone calls and have to reboot quickly :/ | 07:22 |
| rainemak | same for myself, as rarely as I can => thus I do not really unlock the luks too often. So likely, my device would be already unlocked state if I'd loose it. | 07:25 |
| rainemak | Thanks for the answers. Shall we move on. | 07:26 |
| rainemak | #topic SB2 bugs prevalent in Qt6 builds (7mins asked by rinigus) | 07:27 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "SB2 bugs prevalent in Qt6 builds (7mins asked by rinigus) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th October 2024)" | 07:27 | |
| ExTechOp | direc85 It'd be nice if that finally got fixed | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> We have frequently wrong permissions for files that were | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> generated during package builds of Qt6. Similar was for Qt515. | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> Corresponding bug report was filed a while ago. Any progress | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> regarding it? | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> Corresponding bug: SDK sometimes creates files with 000 | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> permissions | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sdk-sometimes-creates-files-with-000-permissions/15140 | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <rinigus> Bug report updated with the example from Qt6 build. | 07:27 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Some of did poke this or something similar. We'll update rinigus | 07:29 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> and piggz you directly once we have something. | 07:29 |
| piggz[m] | Eager to get a fix for this one :) | 07:30 |
| piggz[m] | Qt6 is expected to hit chum soon (tm) | 07:30 |
| rainemak | that's by the way nice works! | 07:30 |
| piggz[m] | Ta :) | 07:31 |
| rainemak | pvuorela, direc85, by any chance do you recall who did see this? Maybe it was mal who commented about the above? | 07:32 |
| flypig | Out of curiosity, do you know which part of the toolchain is writing the wrong permissions? | 07:32 |
| direc85 | I remeber some conversation in #sailfishos, I'll have a peek there. | 07:32 |
| rainemak | generally speaking, sb2 may cause troubles like it did when we first introduced rust | 07:33 |
| pvuorela | i have no idea here. | 07:33 |
| piggz[m] | Flypig mostly the part that writes *.qmltypes files | 07:33 |
| rainemak | I'm not too into this topic but I'd expect that sb2 lua scripts could lead to something | 07:34 |
| flypig | Thanks :) I don't know which bit does that off the top of my head... the qmoc compiler? | 07:34 |
| ViGe | no it's not that | 07:35 |
| ViGe | it was something something qmlregistersomething | 07:35 |
| flypig | Okay, thanks. That's interesting (just curiousity). | 07:35 |
| piggz[m] | Flypig, i cant remember rn, but something like vige says, will be in some logs | 07:35 |
| ViGe | Looks like the logfile is already gone from OBS :( or at least I can't find it now | 07:36 |
| rainemak | I'd say that we do not to need to solve this right now. Same time it sounds we get good start with this topic already. Nice to see ViGe as well. | 07:38 |
| piggz[m] | Qmltyperegistrar | 07:39 |
| ViGe | rainemak: I almost missed this again, I should have some alarm for these meetings... | 07:39 |
| rainemak | let's move on | 07:40 |
| ViGe | It might be that the easiest fix is to accelerate qmltyperegistrar. Or then see what it does and really fix the underlying issue which is most likely in sb2. | 07:40 |
| rainemak | #topic SFOS 5.0 telephony and data stack (5mins asked by cquence) | 07:40 |
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| direc85 | It was mal who commented on that, but there's not much to add here. | 07:40 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> Can you please provide some clarification whether the new | 07:40 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> telephony and data stack will become the new standard for all | 07:40 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> devices? If not, which devices will be getting it? Since C2 | 07:40 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> doesn’t support 5G, what are the plans for enabling 5G in this | 07:40 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> new stack? Will you be using a different device for development? | 07:40 |
| rainemak | #info <cquence> Any information you can share will be helpful. | 07:40 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Eventually it'll replaces current approach. There are hardware | 07:41 |
| rainemak | adaptation specific bits as well. Xperia 10 IV and 10 V are still using older approach. | 07:41 |
| rainemak | let's try again... | 07:41 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> Eventually it'll replaces current approach. There are hardware | 07:41 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> adaptation specific bits as well. Xperia 10 IV and 10 V are still | 07:41 |
| rainemak | #info <Jolla> using older approach. | 07:41 |
| rainemak | #link https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-community-news-29th-august-2024-c2-update/19793/7 | 07:44 |
| rainemak | I guess, nothing more to update on this. | 07:46 |
| flypig | Is this AIDL telephony interface due to a move to Android 13? | 07:46 |
| rainemak | A13 but I don't know why for example Sony still uses HIDL | 07:46 |
| rainemak | there's by the weird IDL misinterpretation in Android sources | 07:47 |
| flypig | Thanks (and sorry, I didn't read that entire thread, so it's probably all there already). | 07:47 |
| rainemak | I cannot find it now... something regarding definition vs description somewhere | 07:49 |
| rainemak | moving on | 07:49 |
| rainemak | #topic Open PR discussion (5 mins -- asked by Jolla) | 07:49 |
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| rainemak | we don't need to use 5mins here if not really needed | 07:50 |
| rainemak | I'd rather leave more time for general discussion if there's need for that | 07:50 |
| rainemak | let's move to general... we can continue PR discussion there as well if needed | 07:52 |
| rainemak | #topic General discussion (7 mins) | 07:52 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "General discussion (7 mins) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th October 2024)" | 07:52 | |
| rainemak | We're eagerly waiting to get Jolla C2s to our logistic partner here @ Tampere Finland | 07:53 |
| piggz[m] | Wondering if i should have got a c2 ...... | 07:55 |
| ExTechOp | I've now installed Sailfish on my Sony Xperia 10V (works fine as far as it goes), and am interested in knowing how things are expected to proceed? | 07:57 |
| flypig | I'm certainly excited to find out what the phone is like... it looks great in the videos, but that never gives a full picture. | 07:57 |
| flypig | The shop currently says "sold out" for the C2, but is the plan to reopen orders once it starts to ship? | 07:57 |
| ViGe | I was also too slow in making up my mind and was faced with the "sold out" text when I was finally ready to order one :( | 07:57 |
| flypig | ExTechOp: could you elaborate on "as far as it goes"? I've not had time to flash my 10V yet, so wondering what to expect. | 07:58 |
| rainemak | ExTechOp, once we have new vendor blobs that are working better we do a hotfix to re-enable camera and give instructions how to update 10 IV and 10 V | 07:58 |
| ExTechOp | The mentioned problems of charge levels not updating and so on. | 07:58 |
| rainemak | we're running out of time | 07:59 |
| flypig | ViGe: I remember that happening to me with the original C. It's always a shame if you *want* to buy it but can't! | 07:59 |
| ExTechOp | rainemak Thanks for the update! | 07:59 |
| rainemak | flypig, let's figure out a link for you regarding known issues | 08:00 |
| rainemak | #topic Next meeting time and date (1 min) | 08:00 |
| *** sailbot changes topic to "Next meeting time and date (1 min) (Meeting topic: Sailfish OS, open source, collaboration -- 17th October 2024)" | 08:00 | |
| rainemak | Proposing Thursday 31st October at 07:00am UTC | 08:00 |
| flypig | rainemak: thank you, your discussion already helped (I shouldn't hold back from installing). | 08:01 |
| flypig | Halloween | 08:01 |
| rainemak | ah, true that | 08:01 |
| rainemak | would it still work | 08:01 |
| flypig | LGTM! | 08:02 |
| rainemak | #info Next meeting will be held on Thursday 31st October 2024 at 07:00am UTC: 2024-10-31T0700Z | 08:02 |
| ViGe | works for me, I already added a reminder to my calendar :-D | 08:02 |
| ExTechOp | Indeed, do we have people from countries who have that day off? | 08:02 |
| flypig | Sorry, my Halloween comment was just an observation, not a reason not to have the meeting! | 08:02 |
| flypig | ExTechOp, are there any? | 08:03 |
| rainemak | That is it for this week. Thank you all! | 08:03 |
| rainemak | #endmeeting | 08:04 |
| sailbot | Meeting ended Thu Oct 17 08:04:02 2024 UTC. | 08:04 |
| sailbot | Minutes: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-10-17-07.02.html | 08:04 |
| sailbot | Minutes (text): https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-10-17-07.02.txt | 08:04 |
| sailbot | Log: https://irclogs.sailfishos.org/meetings/sailfishos-meeting/2024/sailfishos-meeting.2024-10-17-07.02.log.html | 08:04 |
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| flypig | Thanks rainemak, all! Enjoyed the discussion as always. | 08:04 |
| ExTechOp | Thank you, everyone! | 08:04 |
| Crabster | thx #? | 08:04 |
| direc85 | Thank you all! | 08:05 |
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