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| dm8tbr | for nice logging I'll have to look for my ssh key and add a cron job | 06:29 |
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| qwazix | Morning, I have a problem running the SDK on a x64 ubuntu machine, qtcreator complains about server rejecting key. I tried unsetting SSH_AUTH_SOCK and running from that shell but I still get the same error | 07:16 |
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| Yaniel | qwazix: how did you unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK ? | 07:29 |
| qwazix | I just typed unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK in a shell | 07:29 |
| qwazix | It was not that however | 07:29 |
| qwazix | My 2222 is being used by another service that I can't stop | 07:30 |
| Yaniel | should that not be 2223 anyways? | 07:30 |
| qwazix | that's for the emulator | 07:30 |
| Yaniel | ah | 07:30 |
| qwazix | builder is 2222 | 07:30 |
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| qwazix | I did it :) you have to edit /opt/SailfishOS/share/qtcreator/MerProject/QtCreator.ini and change the ssh port | 08:06 |
| veskuh | lbt, ^ for known issues? | 08:11 |
| Yaniel | it is in known issues | 08:13 |
| VDVsx | have seen similar, ports could not be edited from QtC, but was due to old QtC conf file left by a old installation | 08:14 |
| veskuh | Yaniel, yep, you are right. I should have checked. | 08:16 |
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| MFaroTusino | I haven't tried the SDK yet, but the VM, is there an image to run in a VM of our choice, or is it a custom VM app? | 08:25 |
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| qwazix | It's a virtualbox so it should work by itself (it works fine if I run through ubuntu's virtualbox) | 08:30 |
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| dm8tbr | Is the SDK intentionally cripled to not connect to devices? | 08:47 |
| dm8tbr | I tried to connect qtcreator to my N950 running Nemo | 08:47 |
| dm8tbr | and the ssh port always gets reset to 65535 | 08:48 |
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| niqt_ | hi | 08:55 |
| chriadam | hello | 08:56 |
| fk_lx | hi | 08:56 |
| niqt_ | will be Silica also for nemomobile? | 08:56 |
| niweber | dm8tbr: I'm pretty sure there is no intentional criplling in that regard | 08:57 |
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| dm8tbr | niweber: yes, I also think it's a bug | 08:58 |
| Dickson | I can't find the QtWebKit header files (complier can't find it too) in the Sailfish SDK.. Am I missing something? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: happens with old qt creator settings | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | Dickson: install pkg libqtwebkit-devel | 09:01 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: 'old'? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: non sailfish, i think | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | happened to me too | 09:05 |
| dm8tbr | so are you saying that qtcreator saves in settings from outside the sdk directory? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | unsure | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | but plausible | 09:06 |
| Jonni | yes, closing creator; rm -rf ~/.config/MerProject/; restart creator usually helps if you have problems in sdk ssh settings. | 09:09 |
| Jonni | dont know if that is mentioned in known issues page yet ;-) | 09:10 |
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| dm8tbr | Jonni: that did not help | 09:12 |
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| Rantwolf | hi there. does anyone know something about carddav in the meego successor? | 09:15 |
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| lbt | dm8tbr: absolutely not crippled :) | 09:33 |
| lbt | Dickson: ping | 09:33 |
| Dickson | yes? | 09:34 |
| lbt | Dickson: you should be able to do that using Control Center - see http://elm/jolla/develop-faq.html | 09:34 |
| * lbt wants in-page html targets there | 09:35 | |
| Dickson | lbt: yeah, get it now, thanks :) | 09:35 |
| lbt | great ... what I want to do is have more automatic header detection | 09:36 |
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| dm8tbr | lbt: well looks like a qt creator bug | 09:43 |
| lbt | I will look at it - I think you can file a mer bug about that MINT/Creator plugin area | 09:44 |
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| Dickson | lbt: you mean, like automatically install needed header? | 09:46 |
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| lbt | Dickson: as far as possible, yes | 09:50 |
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| pancake | yay, fixed the vbox problems and now i got the sailfish emulator running \o/ | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | wooo | 10:16 |
| Grobwiefein | pancake: are you talking about the problem Connection Error. 'Timeout waiting for reply from server.'? | 10:17 |
| Grobwiefein | i’m searching for a solution for it | 10:18 |
| fk_lx | Grobwiefein: look at bottom of this page - https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues | 10:21 |
| fk_lx | Grobwiefein: last point in Emulator | 10:21 |
| fk_lx | section | 10:22 |
| Grobwiefein | perfect, works now as a charm | 10:23 |
| fk_lx | Grobwiefein: :-) | 10:23 |
| pancake | uhm, no antialiasing for the progress indicator widget? | 10:27 |
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| pacman_ | can anyone help me with the installing SDK on ubuntu? I followed the instructions (i.e I changed the permission and not using as rootuser) , but everytime I tried to open the file. A txt file just shows up: lockmyApp1234865.lock: | 10:43 |
| pancake | wow, putting the crosscompilers in a vm is a great idea | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | pancake: plus sb2 :) | 10:46 |
| pancake | sb? | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | scratchbox2 | 10:46 |
| pancake | yeah :) | 10:46 |
| pancake | the webadmin thing also surprised me | 10:46 |
| pancake | the navigation in the sailfish ui looks intuitive | 10:46 |
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| pancake | s/looks/seems/ | 10:47 |
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| pancake | but i would like to test it on a device/emu with more apps :P | 10:47 |
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| pancake | Sailfish OS includes the capability to run Android™ applications through a third party solution. It is based on open source Android libraries, ensuring performance comparable to the native environment. | 10:55 |
| pancake | O_O | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's not in the emulator though | 10:56 |
| pancake | where it is? | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | it'd be in product images and no, it's not open source | 10:57 |
| pancake | and +1 for firefoxos api for webapps :) | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | hm, where does it say that? | 10:58 |
| pancake | Stskeeps: i miss some apps in the emulator.. like settings, camera, mail, pictures... is there a way to get them? | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | pancake: the emulator isn't a full system, fwiw :) | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | pancake: it's -actually- sailfish running on x86 | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | so it's useful for app development | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: do you know if there's a music player included in sailfish? | 10:59 |
| pancake | yeah i guess.. but is there any full image? | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: see our videos :) nobody stops anybody from doing something better though | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | pancake: there's not any public, no | 10:59 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: does it have an API for getting the current song info? | 10:59 |
| Nicd- | and stuff | 10:59 |
| Dickson | Nicd-: they still working on the platform API, see https://sailfishos.org/develop-overview-article.html bottom there | 11:03 |
| Nicd- | ok, thanks | 11:04 |
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| ibins | Very nice SDK! Well done! | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | thank you! | 11:19 |
| ibins | A minor proposition: Could you add a mini example, how to interact between QLM and C++ classes? This might help old school QT devs to transition into QML? | 11:21 |
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| Nicd- | aren't there tutorials on that on the Qt site? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | ibins: you can do qml modules in C++ at least | 11:24 |
| kontio | ibins: qt doc has: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-extending-tutorial-index.html | 11:25 |
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| ibins | Thanks! You may be right. Keeping the SDK from getting bloated with external stuff is indeed a bad idea. | 11:27 |
| jani | so the vm for build and for emulation propably could be transfered to main host os and executed from there ? | 11:30 |
| jani | Mainly asking this because it would propably not be great to run main sdk under vmware, which would run virtualbox images inside it.. | 11:30 |
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| sledges | SDK fails installing to another big-enough partition (mounted under $HOME) - says there's not enough space (and lists the space of $HOME, not of $HOME/big-part) | 11:36 |
| lbt | jani: correct | 11:37 |
| lbt | jani: we'll be doing native builds of QtCreator for the other platforms | 11:37 |
| jani | lbt: hiya .. thanks. any assistance needed there on mac side ? | 11:39 |
| lbt | jani: feel free to checkout the QtCreator source and build it | 11:40 |
| lbt | that's kept very fresh | 11:40 |
| miklocek | sledges: know issue just create the install directory yourself and rerun the installer | 11:41 |
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| lbt | jani: and by very fresh I mean daily sync - and the only real difference to actual Sailfish SDK is the logos and tutorials | 11:41 |
| jani | lbt: got a clue that in what shape it is for mac ? builds with xcode or requires gcc ? | 11:42 |
| jani | (as a side note, examples seem to build in ok speeds btw within virtualbox running inside vmware ;) ) | 11:42 |
| lbt | good - we've actually had someone work on the module code to improve shared folder support | 11:43 |
| lbt | those patches are in the Mer core | 11:43 |
| lbt | ask auri in #mer about building qtcreator on mac | 11:44 |
| jani | i was just interested if you had opinion about the current state. i'll check how things work. | 11:46 |
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| dm8tbr | sledges: known issue, read the wiki https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues#Installer_.2F_Uninstaller | 11:48 |
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| dm8tbr | and if it complains about 'temporary space' make 1G free on /tmp | 11:49 |
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| sledges | thanks dm8tbr and miklocek, I did not spot my problem, will describe here in a bit | 11:51 |
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| sledges | in short: precreated install dir, installed still complains (this time it reports different available space remaining) | 11:53 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: compare to df -h | 11:53 |
| sledges | correction: it reports avail space of $HOME partition, but changes its mind about "At least required: 913.60 Mb" instead of 4 Gb) | 11:53 |
| dm8tbr | 913.6 is the space for /tmp | 11:56 |
| lbt | jani: sorry - got distracted | 11:56 |
| sledges | tmpfs 3.9G 8.0K 3.9G 1% /tmp | 11:56 |
| lbt | jani: one of our main devs uses a mac.... | 11:56 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: how much space on / itself? | 11:56 |
| sledges | /dev/sda5 16G 15G 230M 99% / | 11:56 |
| sledges | dm8tbr, you're right, the messages complains about temporary files (still didn't remember how to read since morning :)) | 11:57 |
| sledges | *space for temporary files | 11:57 |
| niweber | sledges: there is a second bug with detecting /tmp on tmpfs | 11:57 |
| sledges | there we are | 11:58 |
| sledges | ok | 11:58 |
| lbt | sledges: so in known issues are 2 solutions | 11:58 |
| niweber | we have fixes for both bugs now... slightly too late :( | 11:58 |
| lbt | did you spot them ? | 11:58 |
| sledges | ok | 11:58 |
| * sledges doing "if there is not enough then make a tmp/ dir somewhere and set TMPDIR" | 11:58 | |
| jani | lbt: np =) got distracted trying out sdk.. | 11:58 |
| niweber | sledges: yes, create a "classical" tmp dir | 11:59 |
| lbt | also - suggestions for wording improvements in known issues would be welcome. | 11:59 |
| sledges | you can adjust "if there is not enough" to "if there is not enough, or your /tmp is on tmpfs" in https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues#Installer_.2F_Uninstaller | 12:00 |
| miklocek | sledges: just mount (some loop device) /tmp | 12:00 |
| miklocek | and after installation remove that | 12:00 |
| miklocek | sorry for issue it came out yesterday | 12:00 |
| sledges | np :) | 12:02 |
| sledges | always glad to help (was looking for how to login to wiki ;P ) | 12:02 |
| sledges | i.e. create account | 12:02 |
| jani | what sort of testing tools there are available? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | mer tools has the usual bunch, testrunner, etc | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 12:03 |
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| sledges | since it's alpha, I shouldn't be posting cosmetic bugs, should I? :) | 12:32 |
| dm8tbr | why not? | 12:34 |
| yunta | right, why not | 12:34 |
| yunta | we have to fix cosmetics too | 12:34 |
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| sledges | this looks at first sight like a disabled input (Arch Linux 64-bit, works fine on vanilla Qt Creator): http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/sailfish/0000-greyed_input_box_zpsde8e6353.png | 12:44 |
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| yunta | true | 12:46 |
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| Nicd- | my ubuntu VM is crashing with too little memory :( guess I'll have to wait for the Mac SDK | 12:46 |
| sledges | oops looks like an upstream bug though | 12:46 |
| sledges | i.e. vanilla Qt Creator is exposing the same greyness &) | 12:46 |
| lbt | Nicd-: and we are working on it :) | 12:47 |
| sledges | where this one looks non-upstream ;) http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/sailfish/0001-help_panel_nav_toolbar_needs_resize_zpsa7931541.png | 12:48 |
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| Nicd- | lbt: yep, I know. :) seems like ubuntu doesn't lik my laptop, compiz ceeps crashing regardless of if I run it with virtualbox or natively | 12:49 |
| Nicd- | keeps* | 12:49 |
| cckwes | just wana ask how to use progress indicators? Saw it in components gallery but not in reference | 12:52 |
| cckwes | any idea? | 12:52 |
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| schmittlauch | the repo seems to be down: Error downloading http://jolla.cachefly.net/SailfishOSSDK/alpha/repository/linux-64/Updates.xml - server replied: Not Found | 13:01 |
| lbt | schmittlauch: oops - I'll report it | 13:03 |
| lbt | schmittlauch: it's a CDN so please retry | 13:03 |
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| lbt | it should round-robin | 13:03 |
| lbt | erm, wait - I read the URL ... that's not right | 13:03 |
| lbt | schmittlauch: where did you click to get that? | 13:04 |
| niqt | hi | 13:04 |
| sledges | when closed 'propeller' app (long press while in AppSwitcher), whole UI crashed (can tell that it restarted afterwards with "SDK Mode dis(?)connected" notification). crash happened again some time later | 13:05 |
| lbt | sledges: OK | 13:06 |
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| niqt | after i have started sdk, built it, run simulator, it is ok, bu when i click run i have :-1: error: Virtual Machine 'SailfishOS Emulator' is not running! | 13:06 |
| lbt | hmm - yes | 13:06 |
| pyksy | niqt: you should have two virtualboxen running | 13:08 |
| niqt | yes, sdk and simulator | 13:08 |
| pyksy | ya | 13:09 |
| schmittlauch | lbt: SDKMaintenanceTool -> Settings _> sources | 13:09 |
| lbt | niqt: Tools->Devices then Test | 13:09 |
| lbt | schmittlauch: hmm - I know that's not on the CDN | 13:09 |
| lbt | schmittlauch: what source do you want? | 13:09 |
| niqt | Device test finished successfully. | 13:10 |
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| schmittlauch | lbt: linux-64 and common | 13:10 |
| niqt | now started | 13:10 |
| lbt | niqt: it could have been a race ... | 13:11 |
| lbt | schmittlauch: for qtcreator? | 13:11 |
| niqt | lbt ? | 13:11 |
| sledges | UI just frozen completely after went to Text Input and clicked on Type multi-line text here. now it's in frozen state, doesn't respond to swipes either, can Host+F2 though | 13:11 |
| schmittlauch | don't know, I jus read what's there in the SDKMaintenanceTool. Which repos should be in tere? | 13:12 |
| schmittlauch | *there | 13:12 |
| sledges | (before I tried most items in the Propeller app) | 13:12 |
| lbt | schmittlauch: don't use the SDKMaint tool - it's just for uninstalling :) | 13:12 |
| lbt | https://gitorious.org/+mer-qt-creator/mer-qt-creator for QtCreator | 13:12 |
| lbt | and see the Mer and Nemo areas for those packages | 13:13 |
| schmittlauch | lbt: ah thanks - so the update and packagemanager are just dummys? | 13:13 |
| lbt | niqt: I was wondering if it launched as you ran it . then tried to ssh too soon | 13:13 |
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| lbt | schmittlauch: for now - i admit I never personally tested them. They should probably have been greyed out | 13:13 |
| niweber | lbt: huh? | 13:14 |
| lbt | sledges: I had that once a few weeks ago - could not reproduce | 13:14 |
| niweber | lbt: thought they should work | 13:14 |
| schmittlauch | lbt: no, they are clickable... But it's alpha :) | 13:14 |
| niqt | Silica haven't datepicker yet? | 13:14 |
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| lbt | niweber: I wasn't aware we used them at all - not my area - please correct me :) | 13:15 |
| lbt | niqt: yes, it's in components | 13:15 |
| niqt | good | 13:15 |
| niweber | lbt: will talk to alessandro when he's back from lunch, don't know about the latest status | 13:15 |
| niqt | however jollas congratulations, you are my hero ... | 13:15 |
| lbt | niqt: View / Dialog->Date picker | 13:16 |
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| lbt | I need to look at it - it doesn't show the year for example. But that could be just how it's setup in that demo | 13:16 |
| niqt | yes, i see | 13:16 |
| lbt | coffee ... bbiab | 13:17 |
| niqt | now go back to "work" is hard :D | 13:18 |
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| sledges | well it's reproduced now lbt :) I still haven't restarted the emulator, if you tell me where to look.. | 13:21 |
| sledges | probably OOM: `free` says free is 23k only | 13:21 |
| sledges | will try to reproduce it again, and afterwards will increase emulator ram size | 13:22 |
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| brunelli | Hello guys! | 13:39 |
| yunta | hi | 13:43 |
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| brunelli | Hello again :P | 13:47 |
| brunelli | How are you? | 13:47 |
| yunta | I can't wait to code something in new sdk, but I'm at work now :D | 13:51 |
| brunelli | Me too, but I'm having problems running projects :/ | 13:52 |
| yunta | building or deploying? | 13:54 |
| brunelli | Building | 13:57 |
| brunelli | QtCreator always show a message saying emulator is not running >< | 13:57 |
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| yunta | brunelli: did you try resolv.conf trick from: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues ? | 14:00 |
| brunelli | Not yet | 14:05 |
| brunelli | I'll take a look, thanks for helping! | 14:05 |
| brunelli | Yeah, I think this is not my problem ;/ | 14:08 |
| aportale | brunelli: Can you try manually launching the MerSDK and Emulator wit the two buttons on the lower left? | 14:10 |
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| brunelli | Yes, I did it and both run normally | 14:14 |
| brunelli | But when I try to run the project, I receive a message saying "Emulator is not running" :/ | 14:14 |
| aportale | brunelli: So the small green "run" indicator on the button is still there? | 14:16 |
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| aportale | brunelli: Should be the red "stop" indicator | 14:16 |
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| qwazix | brunelli, increase the timeout for the emulator | 14:18 |
| brunelli | The indicator for "MerSDK" is red, but for "Sailfish emulator" is green... | 14:18 |
| brunelli | The both should be red, right? :x | 14:18 |
| brunelli | This is my post about this on TMO, if you can help me... | 14:19 |
| brunelli | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89294&page=4 | 14:19 |
| brunelli | I've posted a screenshot and the tentatives to ssh the emulator ^^ | 14:20 |
| Yaniel | the emulator should be red | 14:20 |
| Yaniel | for running | 14:20 |
| Yaniel | i.e. show the "stop" icon | 14:20 |
| brunelli | Yes, but isn't :/ | 14:22 |
| Yaniel | click on it? | 14:22 |
| Yaniel | try closing the emulator and starting it again from qtcreator | 14:23 |
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| Yaniel | have you tried the ssh auth socket trick yet? | 14:24 |
| brunelli | ":-1: error: SailfishOS Emulator: Server rejected key." if I click on it... | 14:24 |
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| brunelli | And if I open the emulator from QtCreator (without another instance running) it opens normally :) | 14:25 |
| brunelli | But the icon still green... | 14:25 |
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| brunelli | Yaniel: Yes, and it seems like worked, I'm connect via ssh | 14:26 |
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| * sledges really admires Sailfish OS clutter-less UX !! \o/ | 14:40 | |
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| situ | Why are are Mer SDK and simulator kept different ? | 14:47 |
| sledges | situ, so you could have multiple images of emulator leaving sdk intact | 14:48 |
| sledges | same logic used from Mer+Nemo dev env | 14:49 |
| lbt | situ: it's a bit like firefox on Debian | 14:49 |
| lbt | we can't let people take the Sailfish SDK, modify it and ship it whilst pretending to be the real thing | 14:50 |
| situ | When both simulator and sdk are not running and I try to run a project, it starts the SDK image instead of simulator. | 14:50 |
| lbt | in actual fact the Mer SDK and the Sailfish one are very, very similar - Jolla have been truly awseome to the OSS world here :D | 14:51 |
| lbt | situ: it does that in order to run 'make' | 14:51 |
| situ | so I am expected to run simulator manually for now ? | 14:52 |
| lbt | no, it should launch that too | 14:52 |
| lbt | if not then that could be a bug - it certainly does here. But then again you know what it's like catching combinations of issues | 14:52 |
| situ | Even if the Mer SDK vm is running, I get an "Virtual machine MerSDK is not running". | 14:53 |
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| lbt | what do the icons on the bottom left show? | 14:55 |
| situ | ohh well sorry, I misread the message, it asks to start sailfishos emulator. | 14:55 |
| situ | But I have to hit Ctrl + R again to run my app once emulator is up. | 14:56 |
| lbt | yeah | 14:56 |
| situ | Cool, it works, thanks ! | 14:56 |
| lbt | also you can't use the green button just below the QML editor to rerun app | 14:57 |
| lbt | it works but doesn't redeploy the QML | 14:57 |
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| fk_lx | ups I've got disconnected so I don't know if my messages reached the channel :-) | 15:00 |
| sledges | fk_lx, nope :{ | 15:05 |
| fk_lx | sledges: it's minimalistic, but at some point it can have it's own limitation | 15:05 |
| fk_lx | sledges: especially if you have an application where colors play important role (for example personal task manager where priority is shown using colors etc.) | 15:05 |
| fk_lx | sledges: but for sure UI is something fresh, nice-looking with perspectives :-) | 15:05 |
| Yaniel | fortunately the base UI plays nicely with colours | 15:06 |
| Yaniel | judging by the effects page in the silica demo | 15:06 |
| sledges | I had no problems with colours. by saying clutter-less, I meant: simple swipes, not too many icons on any of static screens at the same time, easy access, no bs ;) i.e. do not show on screen, what you are not looking at frequently | 15:08 |
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| sledges | I do have some me-offputting comments, but that's strictly IMHO: about emulator's wallpaper and the "leather" pattern shading transparent mid-ground - which I totally disliked, but that can be addressed in the future :) couple of ambience/wallpaper adjustments would suit everyone's needs (but please get rid of leathery looks, IMHO sends mixed message: fish/sea/leather :)) | 15:10 |
| lbt | sledges: look at the glow indicators and how they interact with the leather | 15:12 |
| sledges | yes, that's also where I'm coming from | 15:13 |
| lbt | now imagine the glow is a lightbulb under frosted glass | 15:13 |
| Yaniel | I like exactly that | 15:13 |
| sledges | I like that too | 15:13 |
| sledges | I just dislike the leather pattern | 15:13 |
| Yaniel | maybe the texture should be changeable? | 15:13 |
| sledges | +1 | 15:13 |
| lbt | and that's what you're looking through, frosted glass, not leather :) | 15:14 |
| Yaniel | it does not feel like frosted glass though :( | 15:14 |
| sledges | lbt, for me it's still leather | 15:14 |
| Yaniel | snow crystals would be easier to distinguish | 15:14 |
| lbt | I can't imagine our graphical designers changing their minds about anything once they've settled on it | 15:14 |
| lbt | not for several minutes at least | 15:14 |
| sledges | feels like I'm working with a snake in my hands if I had such mobile phone ;D | 15:14 |
| * lbt hides in case any are lurking here :D | 15:14 | |
| lbt | sledges: Yaniel: good feedback though - I'll pass it on | 15:15 |
| sledges | yes, texture could be changeable (a set of them offered) | 15:15 |
| Yaniel | something like this would be awesome: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ファイル:Frosted_Glass.jpg | 15:15 |
| sledges | I'd fancy during winter: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Frosted_Glass.jpg | 15:16 |
| sledges | and some other ideas for other seasons :) | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | sorry, ASCII link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71217725@N00/2406358/ | 15:16 |
| sledges | Yaniel, our minds think alike ;D | 15:16 |
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| Yaniel | :D | 15:16 |
| sledges | dam, you even picked the same photo :DDDDDDDDD | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | the exact same | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | coincidence? | 15:17 |
| * sledges rofls, | 15:17 | |
| sledges | no | 15:17 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 15:17 |
| sledges | jolla really needs to consider that | 15:17 |
| sledges | ;D | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | oh my, now I can't think of anything but possible textures for that overlay | 15:18 |
| Yaniel | seriously, that has to be customizable | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | *easily* | 15:19 |
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| lbt | have you played with the 'Effects' in component gallery | 15:19 |
| * sledges just thought about rain droplets | 15:19 | |
| Yaniel | I have | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | sledges: I thought about glass art/mosaique | 15:20 |
| sledges | or broken glass effect :D | 15:20 |
| Yaniel | :D | 15:20 |
| sledges | (both my thoughts would be annoying to user, he might get heart attacts or spurious screen wiping moments :)) | 15:20 |
| sledges | *s/he | 15:21 |
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| tidux | will Sailfish support any Android devices at first? | 15:56 |
| tidux | failing that, will any of the OEMs ship to the US? | 15:57 |
| sledges | whoops, Yaniel, the snaky frosted glass is everywhere already: jolla.com, sailfish.org, Sailfish MerSDK splash. but it only gave me the snaky feel when I saw buttons glowing from below it on emulator :) | 15:57 |
| sledges | I think it has to do with wallpaper's colour as well | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | snaky? | 15:58 |
| tidux | sledges: I watched the engadget demo video | 15:59 |
| tidux | setting the wallpaper changes a bunch of theming stuff in the OS to match it | 16:00 |
| sledges | yes, called ambience, but we are talking about the 'leather effect' - an overlay which cannot be customised atm | 16:00 |
| tidux | ah | 16:00 |
| sledges | is this channel logged? | 16:01 |
| lbt | tidux: jolla won't be releasing SailfishOS for other companies products | 16:01 |
| fk_lx | don't think so, but who knows | 16:01 |
| lbt | tidux: if you want to hack onto android devices then look at nemo | 16:02 |
| lbt | that's the community place to do any porting | 16:02 |
| sledges | if Nemo is ported on a device, can Sailfish os run on it, too, having swapped out their MW+UX ? | 16:03 |
| lbt | As for OEMs - that kind of information is only ever released at launch time :) | 16:04 |
| fk_lx | lbt: but for sure there will be some rumors before launch ;-) | 16:05 |
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| lbt | sledges: we can only speculate about what *could* be done | 16:05 |
| lbt | fk_lx: :) | 16:05 |
| sledges | boils down to supported architectures really.. | 16:05 |
| tidux | ARM really fucked up by not mandating some sort of standards for the use of their ISA | 16:06 |
| tidux | because now it takes 76780980543546 kernel builds to support all the various sub platforms | 16:07 |
| tidux | instead of just "here is the x86 build, use it" | 16:07 |
| lbt | sledges: no - probably should be | 16:07 |
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| sledges | just realised - no overshooting on flickable lists :( | 16:20 |
| lbt | sledges: nope - there's a different indication | 16:22 |
| sledges | yes, dimming | 16:22 |
| sledges | I used to use overshooting as a selling-point/ux-snapyness-factor.. | 16:23 |
| sledges | good it's in nemo :) | 16:23 |
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| fk_lx | btw. where the webcast from MWC will be shown? | 16:27 |
| fk_lx | as far as I remember Stefano was supposed to have a talk at 6 PM | 16:27 |
| fk_lx | ok got it: http://www.mobileworldlive.com/ | 16:28 |
| sledges | found a bug: in AppSwitcher swipe left-to-right across only 3rd of screen to just briefly show Feeds. Release swipe and clock will appear and stay there | 16:31 |
| fk_lx | sledges: maybe it's not a bug, but feature :-) | 16:32 |
| sledges | clock should be shown only when you swipe an active app half-way, to see the clock, battery, signal etc | 16:33 |
| sledges | when back to AppSwitcher, should show only apps | 16:33 |
| sledges | but the bug is a bug, because clock appears only when it was half-way shown before (some QML caching) | 16:34 |
| sledges | any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature, you're right ;P :D | 16:34 |
| sledges | all the more: when touched on an app, when clock is visible in switched, the clock immediately disappears, baffling user's focus | 16:34 |
| sledges | *switcher | 16:35 |
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| sledges | fk_lx, elop's on, omg :D | 16:37 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 16:37 |
| tidux | screw that guy | 16:38 |
| tidux | with a jackhammer | 16:38 |
| fk_lx | guys, think positive - thanks to that guy we have Jolla | 16:38 |
| lbt | sledges: yes that's a bug - but it's fixed internally already | 16:38 |
| tidux | fk_lx: good point | 16:38 |
| sledges | oke cokie lbt :) | 16:38 |
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| * sledges just figured out how to demo sailfish nicely to colleagues | 16:39 | |
| fk_lx | Jolla - a company which treats seriously people, won't drop Sailfish unexpectedly etc. | 16:39 |
| sledges | enlarge vbox window, and move it offscreen so swiping could start from left seamlessly | 16:39 |
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| sledges | and Jolla is going to have speech after elop lol | 16:40 |
| tidux | ah | 16:41 |
| sledges | taking this convo to #jollamobile :) | 16:43 |
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| lbt | hey miksuh - this is the right place | 17:30 |
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| valdur55 | miksuh got already a answer for his problem :) | 17:31 |
| miksuh | No I did not | 17:31 |
| Nicd- | did you look at https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues ? | 17:31 |
| miksuh | Atleast I did not see it because I left from #jollamobile | 17:31 |
| valdur55 | Ah . ok :D | 17:32 |
| lbt | miksuh: there are 2 things in that link that should help | 17:32 |
| miksuh | I can't see any link anymore | 17:32 |
| miksuh | wwhat link | 17:32 |
| lbt | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues | 17:32 |
| lbt | "The installer needs space in /tmp - if there is not enough then make a tmp/ dir somewhere and set TMPDIR" | 17:32 |
| lbt | I think that's your problem | 17:33 |
| miksuh | ah ok, that probably helps | 17:33 |
| miksuh | thanks | 17:34 |
| miksuh | hmm /tmp has 1.7GN free | 17:38 |
| tidux | GigaNewts? | 17:38 |
| miksuh | yep 1.7GN | 17:39 |
| miksuh | GB | 17:39 |
| miksuh | damn typo | 17:39 |
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| miksuh | that 941MB looks like / but /tmp is not on / | 17:41 |
| Nicd- | miksuh: then you might take a look at the bullet point after the one mentioned in the known issues | 17:41 |
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| miksuh | different partitions | 17:41 |
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| miksuh | I have used couåör of hours trying to solve this.. I'll get some coffee and check yhose known issues afteer that.. | 17:46 |
| miksuh | couplr of hours | 17:46 |
| miksuh | damn | 17:46 |
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| gabriel9 | anyone changed image source for theme? | 18:00 |
| gabriel9 | i guess this can't be changed on Application window, or i am wrong? | 18:00 |
| miksuh | "If your /home dir has room and / does not then the installer will complain. Solution: pre-create the destination directory and the installer will continue. " | 18:02 |
| miksuh | "If your /home dir has room and / does not then the installer will complain. Solution: pre-create the destination directory and the installer will continue. " | 18:02 |
| miksuh | ups | 18:02 |
| miksuh | anyway that sounds promising, I'll try that | 18:03 |
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| lbt | miksuh: ok | 18:04 |
| gabriel9 | you need to have alot of space | 18:05 |
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| lbt | gabriel9: yes - it's not tiny :) | 18:07 |
| gabriel9 | 2vm :D | 18:07 |
| gabriel9 | where to put other resources? Like images? | 18:07 |
| lbt | ? | 18:07 |
| gabriel9 | i want to change test app style | 18:07 |
| gabriel9 | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-introduction.html -> Glass background | 18:08 |
| lbt | that's not in the alpha emulator | 18:08 |
| gabriel9 | are you sure | 18:08 |
| gabriel9 | today one dude from #jollamobile told me that he tried some goth themes :) | 18:09 |
| miksuh | ooh! IT'S INSTALLING!! :) sO that HELPED :) | 18:09 |
| lbt | miksuh: glad to help | 18:09 |
| lbt | gabriel9: pretty sure that is the cover - I could be wrong - my area is more the SDK, VMs etc, not QML/Silica | 18:09 |
| gabriel9 | ah, ok | 18:10 |
| gabriel9 | so you know when we can expect qml2 ? :) | 18:10 |
| lbt | no | 18:11 |
| gabriel9 | ok, im just curius | 18:11 |
| lbt | I was looking - Qt5 was discussed at some point - I know silica is not Wt5 | 18:12 |
| lbt | Qt5 | 18:12 |
| tidux | any news on when we can expect hardware? | 18:12 |
| gabriel9 | you can tell from import QtQuick 1.1 | 18:12 |
| gabriel9 | i have my N9 ready to embrace saildish | 18:12 |
| gabriel9 | sailfish | 18:12 |
| tidux | heh | 18:13 |
| tidux | alright, less talking more hacking | 18:13 |
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| valdur55 | lol :D | 18:13 |
| valdur55 | Damn... my home drive is full on junk... I need do some cleaning | 18:15 |
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| valdur55 | /dev/sdb5 18G 11G 5,8G 65% /home | 18:15 |
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| gabriel9 | source: "image://glass/pathto/image.png" | 18:19 |
| gabriel9 | what kind is this path | 18:19 |
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| phako | theme provider | 18:20 |
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| gabriel9 | so if i have my img in pages folder(where are my qml elements) how to specify that for that path | 18:21 |
| gabriel9 | or i need to add img to theme provider | 18:21 |
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| gabriel9 | confused :( | 18:21 |
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| valdur55 | Damn.. i have no space in tmp drive. How can set TMPDIR | 18:33 |
| valdur55 | I used TMPDIR=/foo/bar and got nothing | 18:33 |
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| valdur55 | And ./SailfishOSSDK-linux-32-offline.run --help doesn't talk about temp dir | 18:36 |
| Nicd- | try something like 'export TMPDIR=/foo/bar' and then 'echo $TMPDIR' to see if it worked | 18:37 |
| Nicd- | if I understood the docs correctly | 18:37 |
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| valdur55 | Lol. yea... export :D | 18:38 |
| valdur55 | I just made TMPDIR :) | 18:39 |
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| valdur55 | Same issue. it checks / space | 18:40 |
| Nicd- | there's a tip for that too at the website | 18:41 |
| valdur55 | Ouch | 18:42 |
| valdur55 | Short memory problems... | 18:45 |
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| valdur55 | Ok. i got it installed (y) . | 19:08 |
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| lbt | valdur55: any wording changes that would have made it easier? | 19:35 |
| valdur55 | I used workaround and created ~/SailfishOS dir | 19:36 |
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| valdur55 | Nothing more... And i now... virtual machine rejects key. | 19:42 |
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| jalomann | Did you get a message? | 19:46 |
| jalomann | valdur55: Did you get any message? | 19:46 |
| jalomann | Try: Tools-Options-Devices-Timeout:60 | 19:47 |
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| valdur55 | Ok. Damn... i need use two virtual machines... I have only 1 GB in my computer | 19:56 |
| valdur55 | Error: :-1: error: SailfishOS Emulator: Server rejected key. | 19:56 |
| jalomann | Default timeout was 10s. I changed to 60s. | 19:58 |
| jalomann | I helped for me. | 19:58 |
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| valdur55 | Yep. I get error with SailfishOS virtualmachine: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-512d15234edc54.26239834.jpg | 20:07 |
| fk_lx | valdur55: I have the same but it does not seem to affect using Sailfish OS | 20:09 |
| shmerl | lbt: Do you plan to make some emulator which avoids using VirtualBox? (I.e. for chrooted environment in regular Mer SDK) similar to how Harmattan did that with Xephyr? | 20:11 |
| ali1234 | oh jeez please don't do that | 20:12 |
| shmerl | ali: Why not? If you aren't using VB, how are you supposed to run the emulator? | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | maemo SDK was a nightmare | 20:12 |
| shmerl | We aren't talking about Maemo SDK. | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | why don't you want to use VB? it's much cleaner than using a chroot, and has less chance of messing up your workstation | 20:14 |
| shmerl | ali1234: Simple, to avoid the extra level of abstractinon when you don't need it. | 20:14 |
| shmerl | It's not cleaner than using chroot - since it already uses chroot. | 20:14 |
| shmerl | Just inside itself. | 20:14 |
| shmerl | You can mess your workstating with anything if you don't know what you are doing. But skipping the VM speeds up your work. | 20:15 |
| ali1234 | i would say that you do need that abstraction, unless your workstation is running mer as the host OS | 20:16 |
| shmerl | Nope. You can perfectly run Mer SDK on other Linux hosts (I do it on Debian). | 20:16 |
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| shmerl | And Sailfish target is choorted. | 20:16 |
| shmerl | chrooted* | 20:17 |
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| shmerl | VM is really necessary if you run on other OSes | 20:17 |
| shmerl | (MacOSX, Windows etc.) | 20:17 |
| MrPingu | That's why I liked the maemo VM images :) | 20:18 |
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| shmerl | I'm just not sure how that would work with Wayland for example, since Xephyr seems to be X specific. | 20:24 |
| shmerl | But it's surely good to have an emulator option without the VM. | 20:25 |
| ali1234 | it absolutely is X specific | 20:25 |
| shmerl | ali1234: Wayland might have its own options for that. | 20:25 |
| shmerl | Like running extra compositor. | 20:25 |
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| Stskeeps | shmerl: we don't plan on doing xephyr based setups | 20:30 |
| shmerl | Stskeeps: That's OK. May be Wayland will make it easier in the future. | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | possibly, but even in my wayland setups i use vbox | 20:31 |
| shmerl | Well, vbox is just a convenience. It's not really a requirement if you use a Linux host. | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | it is kind of if you want to give a equal experience to that of the device | 20:33 |
| shmerl | But it's probably more work for you to maintain both setups | 20:33 |
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| lbt | shmerl: ali1234: we're looking at other container types, yes. lxc is a possible. | 20:48 |
| lbt | vbox is likely to be the only solution for the emulator | 20:49 |
| shmerl | lbt: I see, thanks. | 20:49 |
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| drowning | Hi, am having problems with eth0 on mer build host. Right-ctrl-F2 doesn't seem to work on VirtualBox, so can't get in either. Sound familiar to anyone? | 21:20 |
| lbt | hey drowning | 21:22 |
| lbt | so "right ctrl" is the host key for your machine | 21:22 |
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| lbt | mae: were you drowning ? :) | 21:25 |
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| mae | lbt: Yup. Tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 in the VM in the (vain) hope that I might get a proper text console. Was caught by my host, who then messed up my graphics driver. Sigh... | 21:27 |
| lbt | :) | 21:28 |
| lbt | at the bottom right of the window it should say what the host key is.... | 21:28 |
| mae | Anyway... My host key is Scroll-Lock, so that's not the issue | 21:28 |
| lbt | so you tried scroll-loc + f2 ? | 21:29 |
| mae | You, Sir, are a hero! Thanks. | 21:29 |
| lbt | np :) | 21:30 |
| lbt | it's always a challeng - do we write "host + f2" and have everyone ask wtf a "host" key is? :D | 21:30 |
| mae | Never underestimate the power of users (as just proven by Yours Truly...) | 21:31 |
| lbt | anyhow - you should not have eth0 problems ... wassup ? | 21:31 |
| lbt | what distro? | 21:32 |
| mae | During boot it says there's no eth0 when it tries to acquire IP. | 21:32 |
| mae | Ubuntu 11.04 / 64-bit | 21:32 |
| lbt | 11.04 ... ok, oldish | 21:33 |
| lbt | what vbox do you have? | 21:33 |
| yunta_ | mae: you may want to verify your vm settings, if network adapter is set to Intel PRO/1000 MT Server (82545EM) | 21:33 |
| mae | Newest; just upgraded today. With extensions pack. | 21:33 |
| yunta_ | (visible after unfolding Advanced section) | 21:33 |
| lbt | see the screnshot here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Setting_up_and_Networking | 21:33 |
| mae | Checking... | 21:34 |
| yunta_ | hm, Desktop version in wiki, Server version in my vbox | 21:34 |
| yunta_ | I guess both should work? | 21:34 |
| mae | Hm, changed the MAC to match the screenshot and rebooted; no such luck. | 21:39 |
| yunta_ | mac is irrelevant, adapter type is | 21:40 |
| mae | OK, will try. Hang on. | 21:40 |
| mae | Nope. | 21:42 |
| yunta_ | but you can log in and check if dmesg complains about anything ? | 21:44 |
| mae | Say, on talk.maemo.org there's a thread where they mention user/pwd nemo/nemo -- but that doesn't bite for me | 21:45 |
| yunta_ | what about root/nemo | 21:45 |
| yunta_ | ? | 21:46 |
| lbt | on SDK VM it is root/rootme | 21:46 |
| mae | Thanks lbt. | 21:47 |
| lbt | password only works on console btw, not ssh | 21:47 |
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| mae | OK, so I logged in; e1000 loaded OK, eth0 exists and has IP. Build from qtcreator fails with timeout. Will try ssh | 21:50 |
| RzR | hji | 21:50 |
| RzR | can you help | 21:50 |
| RzR | module "Qt.labs.folderlistmodel" is not installed ? | 21:50 |
| RzR | how to deploy/link to ~/SailfishOS/bin/Qt/labs/folderlistmodel/libqmlfolderlistmodelplugin.so ? | 21:50 |
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| mae | ssh to the sdk fails; works towards emulator. | 21:55 |
| yunta_ | lbt: is resolv.conf the fix for ubuntu agent / building timeout? | 21:55 |
| lbt | try something else | 21:55 |
| lbt | sec | 21:55 |
| lbt | VBoxManage modifyvm MerSDK --natdnsproxy1 on | 21:55 |
| lbt | VBoxManage modifyvm MerSDK --natdnshostresolver1 on | 21:55 |
| mae | Done; booting... Nope. | 21:56 |
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| mae | Tried -vvvv on my ssh; it gets stuck at 'debug1: identity file .ssh/mer-qt-creator-rsa-cert type -1' and just sits there. | 21:57 |
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| lbt | try setting SSH_AUTH_SOCK= | 21:59 |
| mae | SSH_AUTH_SOCK has no effect. But the networking is up OK, I guess; telnet 127.0.0.1 2222 does yield a connection. | 22:00 |
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| yunta_ | mae: but you aren't getting any message from ssh about "agent" failure? | 22:01 |
| mae | No. | 22:01 |
| mae | Back in a sec; kid just woke... | 22:01 |
| lbt | yunta_: figured 11.04 may be different | 22:02 |
| yunta_ | nice mess :) | 22:02 |
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| mae | Back. Can ping e.g. 8.8.8.8, so it looks like the VM NAT works OK. | 22:07 |
| yunta_ | mae: how long does it hang on ssh attempt? is it infinite or does it finally get in? | 22:08 |
| mae | Seemingly forever; several minutes. It's stuck in a read call on the socket to the SDK (strace -f ssh ...) | 22:09 |
| yunta_ | ok | 22:09 |
| mae | sshd on the sdk VM doesn't write a log, does it? | 22:09 |
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| lbt | did you set resolv.conf ? | 22:11 |
| mae | Yes. | 22:11 |
| lbt | OK - sry I'm a bit busy here so not paying full attention | 22:11 |
| mae | Odd: Started ssh client, but it doesn't show up in netstat on the SDK VM. | 22:12 |
| lbt | you connecting to -p 2222 ? | 22:12 |
| mae | lbt: I really appreciate the cycles you're spending. Yes, 2222. Tried 2223 for the emulator, and that works well. | 22:13 |
| lbt | nb I have an 11.04 here | 22:13 |
| lbt | I'll copy over installer and looksee | 22:14 |
| mae | Cool! I'll dig around a bit more. | 22:14 |
| RzR | back | 22:16 |
| RzR | so any idea on how to deploy libqmlfolderlistmodelplugin using current sdk ? | 22:16 |
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| RzR | donno where to report the question ? tmo ? | 22:16 |
| lbt | RzR: here or the mailing list | 22:18 |
| yunta_ | RzR: if you can't do it through in-qtc-webapp then you can always ssh/sb2/chroot to your target I guess ? | 22:18 |
| RzR | there is | 22:21 |
| RzR | /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/qt4/imports/org/nemomobile/folderlistmodel/libnemofolderlistmodel.so.debug | 22:21 |
| RzR | and the sources | 22:22 |
| RzR | how useful | 22:22 |
| RzR | /usr/src/debug/nemo-qml-plugins/email/.moc/moc_folderlistmodel.cpp | 22:22 |
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| lbt | mae: gah - I have an old installer here from last friday which doesn't work on 11.04 | 22:27 |
| mae | lbt: He he... Gotta love software... | 22:27 |
| lbt | yeah | 22:28 |
| * lbt trying to fix neighbour's laptop too | 22:28 | |
| mae | I'm no systemd expert, but I wanted to try and enable more logging for sshd. There's no editor (vi!) on the SDK VM?! | 22:29 |
| mae | Ah! vim! | 22:29 |
| lbt | yeah - you can of course install emacs | 22:31 |
| RzR | +1 | 22:32 |
| RzR | <yunta_> RzR: if you can't do it through in-qtc-webapp then you can always ssh/sb2/chroot to your target I guess ? | 22:33 |
| RzR | please detail | 22:33 |
| RzR | I just copied the plugin | 22:33 |
| RzR | cd ~/SailfishOS/bin/Qt && tar cfv - labs | ssh root@localhost -p 2223 -i ~/.ssh/mer-qt-creator-rsa tar xfv - -C /usr/lib/qt4/imports/Qt/ | 22:34 |
| RzR | before : | 22:34 |
| mae | This is odd: SDK: ps auxw, check PID of the 'ps'. Then try ssh a few times; then try ps auxw again. PID has moved +1. So no sshd spawned by systemd (netstat -lp says init owns port 22) | 22:34 |
| RzR | module "Qt.labs.folderlistmodel" is not installed | 22:34 |
| RzR | after : | 22:34 |
| RzR | The file '/usr/lib/qt4/imports/Qt/labs/folderlistmodel/libqmlfolderlistmodelplugin.so' is not a valid Qt plugin. | 22:34 |
| RzR | gotcha | 22:35 |
| RzR | /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/folderlistmodel/libqmlfolderlistmodelplugin.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped | 22:35 |
| RzR | need to dl the 32bit sdk ? :) | 22:35 |
| lbt | mae: try running : journalctl | 22:39 |
| lbt | or journalctl | grep ssh | 22:39 |
| lbt | init == systemd .. and it uses port activation for ssh | 22:40 |
| lbt | so it listens to 22 and then forks to sshd | 22:40 |
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| mae | lbt: No output from the grep. | 22:41 |
| mae | My test does suggest that systemd doesn't spawn. | 22:42 |
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| lbt | mae: so in the SDK VM you can ps -ef | grep ssh | 22:42 |
| lbt | and it's not there? | 22:42 |
| mae | Nope. Nothing. | 22:43 |
| lbt | in the SDKVM try ssh localhost | 22:43 |
| mae | Works. | 22:43 |
| lbt | so the NAT is not working | 22:43 |
| lbt | 4.1.2 of virtualbox ? | 22:44 |
| mae | 4.2.6 -- is that too new? Have I missed a dependency there? | 22:45 |
| lbt | we've not actually tried that one | 22:46 |
| lbt | thought you said 11.04 ? | 22:46 |
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| mae | Yes, I did, but the one I had installed was 4.0.something, so I just grabbed the newest off virtualbox.org; they have a build for 11.04. | 22:47 |
| lbt | ah, I see | 22:47 |
| lbt | np - just checking | 22:48 |
| mae | lbt: OK, it's around midnight here in Denmark. I think we have to conclude that there's something amiss with my environment and leave it at that. I can't stomach trying to figure out where NAT is causing problems. | 22:54 |
| lbt | OK - ping me tomorrow | 22:55 |
| lbt | I'm out first thing so keep trying me | 22:55 |
| mae | Thanks so much for your effort! But I guess I need to find a newer system; the one I've tried on is (also) my main file server, so I'm quite hesitant to upgrade the distro. Yes, old-fashioned. Yes, risk-averse. Yes, boooring. That's me! :-) | 22:57 |
| mae | Good night! | 22:57 |
| lbt | hehe ... night | 22:57 |
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