Tuesday, 2013-02-26

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dm8tbrfor nice logging I'll have to look for my ssh key and add a cron job06:29
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qwazixMorning, I have a problem running the SDK on a x64 ubuntu machine, qtcreator complains about server rejecting key. I tried unsetting SSH_AUTH_SOCK and running from that shell but I still get the same error07:16
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Yanielqwazix: how did you unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK ?07:29
qwazixI just typed unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK in a shell07:29
qwazixIt was not that however07:29
qwazixMy 2222 is being used by another service that I can't stop07:30
Yanielshould that not be 2223 anyways?07:30
qwazixthat's for the emulator07:30
qwazixbuilder is 222207:30
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qwazixI did it :) you have to edit /opt/SailfishOS/share/qtcreator/MerProject/QtCreator.ini and change the ssh port08:06
veskuhlbt, ^ for known issues?08:11
Yanielit is in known issues08:13
VDVsxhave seen similar, ports could not be edited from QtC, but was due to old QtC conf file left by a old installation08:14
veskuhYaniel, yep, you are right. I should have checked.08:16
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MFaroTusinoI haven't tried the SDK yet, but the VM, is there an image to run in a VM of our choice, or is it a custom VM app?08:25
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qwazixIt's a virtualbox so it should work by itself (it works fine if I run through ubuntu's virtualbox)08:30
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dm8tbrIs the SDK intentionally cripled to not connect to devices?08:47
dm8tbrI tried to connect qtcreator to my N950 running Nemo08:47
dm8tbrand the ssh port always gets reset to 6553508:48
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niqt_will be Silica also for nemomobile?08:56
niweberdm8tbr: I'm pretty sure there is no intentional criplling in that regard08:57
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dm8tbrniweber: yes, I also think it's a bug08:58
DicksonI can't find the QtWebKit header files (complier can't find it too) in the Sailfish SDK.. Am I missing something?09:01
Stskeepsdm8tbr: happens with old qt creator settings09:01
StskeepsDickson: install pkg libqtwebkit-devel09:01
dm8tbrStskeeps: 'old'?09:03
Stskeepsdm8tbr: non sailfish, i think09:05
Stskeepshappened to me too09:05
dm8tbrso are you saying that qtcreator saves in settings from outside the sdk directory?09:06
Stskeepsbut plausible09:06
Jonniyes, closing creator; rm -rf ~/.config/MerProject/; restart creator usually helps if you have problems in sdk ssh settings.09:09
Jonnidont know if that is mentioned in known issues page yet ;-)09:10
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dm8tbrJonni: that did not help09:12
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Rantwolfhi there. does anyone know something about carddav in the meego successor?09:15
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lbtdm8tbr: absolutely not crippled :)09:33
lbtDickson: ping09:33
lbtDickson: you should be able to do that using Control Center - see http://elm/jolla/develop-faq.html09:34
* lbt wants in-page html targets there09:35
Dicksonlbt: yeah, get it now, thanks :)09:35
lbtgreat ... what I want to do is have more automatic header detection09:36
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dm8tbrlbt: well looks like a qt creator bug09:43
lbtI will look at it - I think you can file a mer bug about that MINT/Creator plugin area09:44
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Dicksonlbt: you mean, like automatically install needed header?09:46
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lbtDickson: as far as possible, yes09:50
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pancakeyay, fixed the vbox problems and now i got the sailfish emulator running \o/10:15
Grobwiefeinpancake: are you talking about the problem Connection Error. 'Timeout waiting for reply from server.'?10:17
Grobwiefeini’m searching for a solution for it10:18
fk_lxGrobwiefein: look at bottom of this page - https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues10:21
fk_lxGrobwiefein: last point in Emulator10:21
Grobwiefeinperfect, works now as a charm10:23
fk_lxGrobwiefein: :-)10:23
pancakeuhm, no antialiasing for the progress indicator widget?10:27
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pacman_can anyone help me with the installing  SDK on ubuntu? I followed the instructions (i.e I changed the permission and not using as rootuser) , but everytime I tried to open the file. A txt file just shows up: lockmyApp1234865.lock:10:43
pancakewow, putting the crosscompilers in a vm is a great idea10:45
Stskeepspancake: plus sb2 :)10:46
pancakeyeah :)10:46
pancakethe webadmin thing also surprised me10:46
pancakethe navigation in the sailfish ui looks intuitive10:46
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pancakebut i would like to test it on a device/emu with more apps :P10:47
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pancakeSailfish OS includes the capability to run Android™ applications through a third party solution. It is based on open source Android libraries, ensuring performance comparable to the native environment.10:55
Stskeepsyeah, that's not in the emulator though10:56
pancakewhere it is?10:57
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Stskeepsit'd be in product images and no, it's not open source10:57
pancakeand +1 for firefoxos api for webapps :)10:57
Stskeepshm, where does it say that?10:58
pancakeStskeeps: i miss some apps in the emulator.. like settings, camera, mail, pictures... is there a way to get them?10:58
Stskeepspancake: the emulator isn't a full system, fwiw :)10:58
Stskeepspancake: it's -actually- sailfish running on x8610:58
Stskeepsso it's useful for app development10:58
Nicd-Stskeeps: do you know if there's a music player included in sailfish?10:59
pancakeyeah i guess.. but is there any full image?10:59
StskeepsNicd-: see our videos :) nobody stops anybody from doing something better though10:59
Stskeepspancake: there's not any public, no10:59
Nicd-Stskeeps: does it have an API for getting the current song info?10:59
Nicd-and stuff10:59
DicksonNicd-: they still working on the platform API, see https://sailfishos.org/develop-overview-article.html bottom there11:03
Nicd-ok, thanks11:04
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ibinsVery nice SDK! Well done!11:19
Stskeepsthank you!11:19
ibinsA minor proposition: Could you add a mini example, how to interact between QLM and C++ classes? This might help old school QT devs to transition into QML?11:21
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Nicd-aren't there tutorials on that on the Qt site?11:24
Stskeepsibins: you can do qml modules in C++ at least11:24
kontioibins: qt doc has: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-extending-tutorial-index.html11:25
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ibinsThanks! You may be right. Keeping the SDK from getting bloated with external stuff is indeed a bad idea.11:27
janiso the vm for build and for emulation propably could be transfered to main host os and executed from there ?11:30
janiMainly asking this because it would propably not be great to run main sdk under vmware, which would run virtualbox images inside it..11:30
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sledgesSDK fails installing to another big-enough partition (mounted under $HOME) - says there's not enough space (and lists the space of $HOME, not of $HOME/big-part)11:36
lbtjani: correct11:37
lbtjani: we'll be doing native builds of QtCreator for the other platforms11:37
janilbt: hiya .. thanks. any assistance needed there on mac side ?11:39
lbtjani: feel free to checkout the QtCreator source and build it11:40
lbtthat's kept very fresh11:40
mikloceksledges: know issue just create the install directory yourself and rerun the installer11:41
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lbtjani: and by very fresh I mean daily sync - and the only real difference to actual Sailfish SDK is the logos and tutorials11:41
janilbt: got a clue that in what shape it is for mac ? builds with xcode or requires gcc ?11:42
jani(as a side note, examples seem to build in ok speeds btw within virtualbox running inside vmware ;) )11:42
lbtgood - we've actually had someone work on the module code to improve shared folder support11:43
lbtthose patches are in the Mer core11:43
lbtask auri in #mer about building qtcreator on mac11:44
janii was just interested if you had opinion about the current state. i'll check how things work.11:46
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dm8tbrsledges: known issue, read the wiki https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues#Installer_.2F_Uninstaller11:48
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dm8tbrand if it complains about 'temporary space' make 1G free on /tmp11:49
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sledgesthanks dm8tbr and miklocek, I did not spot my problem, will describe here in a bit11:51
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sledgesin short: precreated install dir, installed still complains (this time it reports different available space remaining)11:53
dm8tbrsledges: compare to df -h11:53
sledgescorrection: it reports avail space of $HOME partition, but changes its mind about "At least required: 913.60 Mb" instead of 4 Gb)11:53
dm8tbr913.6 is the space for /tmp11:56
lbtjani: sorry - got distracted11:56
sledgestmpfs           3.9G  8.0K  3.9G   1% /tmp11:56
lbtjani: one of our main devs uses a mac....11:56
dm8tbrsledges: how much space on / itself?11:56
sledges/dev/sda5        16G   15G  230M  99% /11:56
sledgesdm8tbr, you're right, the messages complains about temporary files (still didn't remember how to read since morning :))11:57
sledges*space for temporary files11:57
niwebersledges: there is a second bug with detecting /tmp on tmpfs11:57
sledgesthere we are11:58
lbtsledges: so in known issues are 2 solutions11:58
niweberwe have fixes for both bugs now... slightly too late :(11:58
lbtdid you spot them ?11:58
* sledges doing "if there is not enough then make a tmp/ dir somewhere and set TMPDIR"11:58
janilbt: np =) got distracted trying out sdk..11:58
niwebersledges: yes, create a "classical" tmp dir11:59
lbtalso - suggestions for wording improvements in known issues would be welcome.11:59
sledgesyou can adjust "if there is not enough" to "if there is not enough, or your /tmp is on tmpfs" in https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues#Installer_.2F_Uninstaller12:00
mikloceksledges: just mount  (some loop device)   /tmp12:00
miklocekand after installation remove that12:00
mikloceksorry for issue it came out yesterday12:00
sledgesnp :)12:02
sledgesalways glad to help (was looking for how to login to wiki ;P )12:02
sledgesi.e. create account12:02
janiwhat sort of testing tools there are available?12:02
Stskeepsmer tools has the usual bunch, testrunner, etc12:02
Stskeepsi think12:03
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sledgessince it's alpha, I shouldn't be posting cosmetic bugs, should I? :)12:32
dm8tbrwhy not?12:34
yuntaright, why not12:34
yuntawe have to fix cosmetics too12:34
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sledgesthis looks at first sight like a disabled input (Arch Linux 64-bit, works fine on vanilla Qt Creator): http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/sailfish/0000-greyed_input_box_zpsde8e6353.png12:44
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Nicd-my ubuntu VM is crashing with too little memory :( guess I'll have to wait for the Mac SDK12:46
sledgesoops looks like an upstream bug though12:46
sledgesi.e. vanilla Qt Creator is exposing the same greyness &)12:46
lbtNicd-: and we are working on it :)12:47
sledgeswhere this one looks non-upstream ;) http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/sailfish/0001-help_panel_nav_toolbar_needs_resize_zpsa7931541.png12:48
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Nicd-lbt: yep, I know. :) seems like ubuntu doesn't lik my laptop, compiz ceeps crashing regardless of if I run it with virtualbox or natively12:49
cckwesjust wana ask how to use progress indicators? Saw it in components gallery but not in reference12:52
cckwesany idea?12:52
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schmittlauchthe repo seems to be down: Error downloading http://jolla.cachefly.net/SailfishOSSDK/alpha/repository/linux-64/Updates.xml - server replied: Not Found13:01
lbtschmittlauch: oops - I'll report it13:03
lbtschmittlauch: it's a CDN so please retry13:03
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lbtit should round-robin13:03
lbterm, wait - I read the URL ... that's not right13:03
lbtschmittlauch: where did you click to get that?13:04
sledgeswhen closed 'propeller' app (long press while in AppSwitcher), whole UI crashed (can tell that it restarted afterwards with "SDK Mode dis(?)connected" notification). crash happened again some time later13:05
lbtsledges: OK13:06
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niqtafter i have started sdk, built it, run simulator, it is ok, bu when i click run i have :-1: error: Virtual Machine 'SailfishOS Emulator' is not running!13:06
lbthmm - yes13:06
pyksyniqt: you should have two virtualboxen running13:08
niqtyes, sdk and simulator13:08
schmittlauchlbt: SDKMaintenanceTool -> Settings _> sources13:09
lbtniqt: Tools->Devices then Test13:09
lbtschmittlauch: hmm - I know that's not on the CDN13:09
lbtschmittlauch: what source do you want?13:09
niqtDevice test finished successfully.13:10
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schmittlauchlbt: linux-64 and common13:10
niqtnow started13:10
lbtniqt: it could have been a race ...13:11
lbtschmittlauch: for qtcreator?13:11
niqtlbt ?13:11
sledgesUI just frozen completely after went to Text Input and clicked on Type multi-line text here. now it's in frozen state, doesn't respond to swipes either, can Host+F2 though13:11
schmittlauchdon't know, I jus read what's there in the SDKMaintenanceTool. Which repos should be in tere?13:12
sledges(before I tried most items in the Propeller app)13:12
lbtschmittlauch: don't use the SDKMaint tool - it's just for uninstalling :)13:12
lbthttps://gitorious.org/+mer-qt-creator/mer-qt-creator for QtCreator13:12
lbtand see the Mer and Nemo areas for those packages13:13
schmittlauchlbt: ah thanks - so the update and packagemanager are just dummys?13:13
lbtniqt: I was wondering if it launched as you ran it . then tried to ssh too soon13:13
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lbtschmittlauch: for now - i admit I never personally tested them. They should probably have been greyed out13:13
niweberlbt: huh?13:14
lbtsledges: I had that once a few weeks ago - could not reproduce13:14
niweberlbt: thought they should work13:14
schmittlauchlbt: no, they are clickable... But it's alpha :)13:14
niqtSilica haven't datepicker yet?13:14
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lbtniweber: I wasn't aware we used them at all - not my area - please correct me :)13:15
lbtniqt: yes, it's in components13:15
niweberlbt: will talk to alessandro when he's back from lunch, don't know about the latest status13:15
niqthowever jollas congratulations, you are my hero ...13:15
lbtniqt: View / Dialog->Date picker13:16
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lbtI need to look at it - it doesn't show the year for example. But that could be just how it's setup in that demo13:16
niqtyes, i see13:16
lbtcoffee ... bbiab13:17
niqtnow go back to "work" is hard :D13:18
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sledgeswell it's reproduced now lbt :) I still haven't restarted the emulator, if you tell me where to look..13:21
sledgesprobably OOM: `free` says free is 23k only13:21
sledgeswill try to reproduce it again, and afterwards will increase emulator ram size13:22
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brunelliHello guys!13:39
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brunelliHello again :P13:47
brunelliHow are you?13:47
yuntaI can't wait to code something in new sdk, but I'm at work now :D13:51
brunelliMe too, but I'm having problems running projects :/13:52
yuntabuilding or deploying?13:54
brunelliQtCreator always show a message saying emulator is not running ><13:57
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yuntabrunelli: did you try resolv.conf trick from: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues ?14:00
brunelliNot yet14:05
brunelliI'll take a look, thanks for helping!14:05
brunelliYeah, I think this is not my problem ;/14:08
aportalebrunelli: Can you try manually launching the MerSDK and Emulator wit the two buttons on the lower left?14:10
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brunelliYes, I did it and both run normally14:14
brunelliBut when I try to run the project, I receive a message saying "Emulator is not running" :/14:14
aportalebrunelli: So the small green "run" indicator on the button is still there?14:16
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aportalebrunelli: Should be the red "stop" indicator14:16
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qwazixbrunelli, increase the timeout for the emulator14:18
brunelliThe indicator for "MerSDK" is red, but for "Sailfish emulator" is green...14:18
brunelliThe both should be red, right? :x14:18
brunelliThis is my post about this on TMO, if you can help me...14:19
brunelliI've posted a screenshot and the tentatives to ssh the emulator ^^14:20
Yanielthe emulator should be red14:20
Yanielfor running14:20
Yanieli.e. show the "stop" icon14:20
brunelliYes, but isn't :/14:22
Yanielclick on it?14:22
Yanieltry closing the emulator and starting it again from qtcreator14:23
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Yanielhave you tried the ssh auth socket trick yet?14:24
brunelli":-1: error: SailfishOS Emulator: Server rejected key." if I click on it...14:24
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brunelliAnd if I open the emulator from QtCreator (without another instance running) it opens normally :)14:25
brunelliBut the icon still green...14:25
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brunelliYaniel: Yes, and it seems like worked, I'm connect via ssh14:26
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* sledges really admires Sailfish OS clutter-less UX !! \o/14:40
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situWhy are are Mer SDK and simulator kept different ?14:47
sledgessitu, so you could have multiple images of emulator leaving sdk intact14:48
sledgessame logic used from Mer+Nemo dev env14:49
lbtsitu: it's a bit like firefox on Debian14:49
lbtwe can't let people take the Sailfish SDK, modify it and ship it whilst pretending to be the real thing14:50
situWhen both simulator and sdk are not running and I try to run a project, it starts the SDK image instead of simulator.14:50
lbtin actual fact the Mer SDK and the Sailfish one are very, very similar - Jolla have been truly awseome to the OSS world here :D14:51
lbtsitu: it does that in order to run 'make'14:51
situso I am expected to run simulator manually for now ?14:52
lbtno, it should launch that too14:52
lbtif not then that could be a bug - it certainly does here. But then again you know what it's like catching combinations of issues14:52
situEven if the Mer SDK vm is running, I get an "Virtual machine MerSDK is not running".14:53
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lbtwhat do the icons on the bottom left show?14:55
situohh well sorry,  I misread the message, it asks to start sailfishos emulator.14:55
situBut I have to hit Ctrl + R again to run my app once emulator is up.14:56
situCool, it works, thanks !14:56
lbtalso you can't use the green button just below the QML editor to rerun app14:57
lbtit works but doesn't redeploy the QML14:57
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fk_lxups I've got disconnected so I don't know if my messages reached the channel :-)15:00
sledgesfk_lx, nope :{15:05
fk_lxsledges: it's minimalistic, but at some point it can have it's own limitation15:05
fk_lxsledges: especially if you have an application where colors play important role (for example personal task manager where priority is shown using colors etc.)15:05
fk_lxsledges: but for sure UI is something fresh, nice-looking with perspectives :-)15:05
Yanielfortunately the base UI plays nicely with colours15:06
Yanieljudging by the effects page in the silica demo15:06
sledgesI had no problems with colours. by saying clutter-less, I meant: simple swipes, not too many icons on any of static screens at the same time, easy access, no bs ;) i.e. do not show on screen, what you are not looking at frequently15:08
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sledgesI do have some me-offputting comments, but that's strictly IMHO: about emulator's wallpaper and the "leather" pattern shading transparent mid-ground - which I totally disliked, but that can be addressed in the future :) couple of ambience/wallpaper adjustments would suit everyone's needs (but please get rid of leathery looks, IMHO sends mixed message: fish/sea/leather :))15:10
lbtsledges: look at the glow indicators and how they interact with the leather15:12
sledgesyes, that's also where I'm coming from15:13
lbtnow imagine the glow is a lightbulb under frosted glass15:13
YanielI like exactly that15:13
sledgesI like that too15:13
sledgesI just dislike the leather pattern15:13
Yanielmaybe the texture should be changeable?15:13
lbtand that's what you're looking through, frosted glass, not leather :)15:14
Yanielit does not feel like frosted glass though :(15:14
sledgeslbt, for me it's still leather15:14
Yanielsnow crystals would be easier to distinguish15:14
lbtI can't imagine our graphical designers changing their minds about anything once they've settled on it15:14
lbtnot for several minutes at least15:14
sledgesfeels like I'm working with a snake in my hands if I had such mobile phone ;D15:14
* lbt hides in case any are lurking here :D15:14
lbtsledges: Yaniel: good feedback though - I'll pass it on15:15
sledgesyes, texture could be changeable (a set of them offered)15:15
Yanielsomething like this would be awesome: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ファイル:Frosted_Glass.jpg15:15
sledgesI'd fancy during winter: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Frosted_Glass.jpg15:16
sledgesand some other ideas for other seasons :)15:16
Yanielsorry, ASCII link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/71217725@N00/2406358/15:16
sledgesYaniel, our minds think alike ;D15:16
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sledgesdam, you even picked the same photo :DDDDDDDDD15:16
Yanielthe exact same15:17
* sledges rofls, 15:17
sledgesjolla really needs to consider that15:17
Yanieloh my, now I can't think of anything but possible textures for that overlay15:18
Yanielseriously, that has to be customizable15:19
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lbthave you played with the 'Effects' in component gallery15:19
* sledges just thought about rain droplets15:19
YanielI have15:19
Yanielsledges: I thought about glass art/mosaique15:20
sledgesor broken glass effect :D15:20
sledges(both my thoughts would be annoying to user, he might get heart attacts or spurious screen wiping moments :))15:20
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tiduxwill Sailfish support any Android devices at first?15:56
tiduxfailing that, will any of the OEMs ship to the US?15:57
sledgeswhoops, Yaniel, the snaky frosted glass is everywhere already: jolla.com, sailfish.org, Sailfish MerSDK splash. but it only gave me the snaky feel when I saw buttons glowing from below it on emulator :)15:57
sledgesI think it has to do with wallpaper's colour as well15:58
tiduxsledges: I watched the engadget demo video15:59
tiduxsetting the wallpaper changes a bunch of theming stuff in the OS to match it16:00
sledgesyes, called ambience, but we are talking about the 'leather effect' - an overlay which cannot be customised atm16:00
sledgesis this channel logged?16:01
lbttidux: jolla won't be releasing SailfishOS for other companies products16:01
fk_lxdon't think so, but who knows16:01
lbttidux: if you want to hack onto android devices then look at nemo16:02
lbtthat's the community place to do any porting16:02
sledgesif Nemo is ported on a device, can Sailfish os run on it, too, having swapped out their MW+UX ?16:03
lbtAs for OEMs - that kind of information is only ever released at launch time :)16:04
fk_lxlbt: but for sure there will be some rumors before launch ;-)16:05
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lbtsledges: we can only speculate about what *could* be done16:05
lbtfk_lx: :)16:05
sledgesboils down to supported architectures really..16:05
tiduxARM really fucked up by not mandating some sort of standards for the use of their ISA16:06
tiduxbecause now it takes 76780980543546 kernel builds to support all the various sub platforms16:07
tiduxinstead of just "here is the x86 build, use it"16:07
lbtsledges: no - probably should be16:07
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sledgesjust realised - no overshooting on flickable lists :(16:20
lbtsledges: nope - there's a different indication16:22
sledgesyes, dimming16:22
sledgesI used to use overshooting as a selling-point/ux-snapyness-factor..16:23
sledgesgood it's in nemo :)16:23
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fk_lxbtw. where the webcast from MWC will be shown?16:27
fk_lxas far as I remember Stefano was supposed to have a talk at 6 PM16:27
fk_lxok got it: http://www.mobileworldlive.com/16:28
sledgesfound a bug: in AppSwitcher swipe left-to-right across only 3rd of screen to just briefly show Feeds. Release swipe and clock will appear and stay there16:31
fk_lxsledges: maybe it's not a bug, but feature :-)16:32
sledgesclock should be shown only when you swipe an active app half-way, to see the clock, battery, signal etc16:33
sledgeswhen back to AppSwitcher, should show only apps16:33
sledgesbut the bug is a bug, because clock appears only when it was half-way shown before (some QML caching)16:34
sledgesany sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature, you're right ;P :D16:34
sledgesall the more: when touched on an app, when clock is visible in switched, the clock immediately disappears, baffling user's focus16:34
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sledgesfk_lx, elop's on, omg :D16:37
tiduxscrew that guy16:38
tiduxwith a jackhammer16:38
fk_lxguys, think positive - thanks to that guy we have Jolla16:38
lbtsledges: yes that's a bug - but it's fixed internally already16:38
tiduxfk_lx: good point16:38
sledgesoke cokie lbt :)16:38
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* sledges just figured out how to demo sailfish nicely to colleagues16:39
fk_lxJolla - a company which treats seriously people, won't drop Sailfish unexpectedly etc.16:39
sledgesenlarge vbox window, and move it offscreen so swiping could start from left seamlessly16:39
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sledgesand Jolla is going to have speech after elop lol16:40
sledgestaking this convo to #jollamobile :)16:43
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lbthey miksuh - this is the right place17:30
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valdur55miksuh got already a answer for his problem :)17:31
miksuhNo I did not17:31
Nicd-did you look at https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues ?17:31
miksuhAtleast I did not see it because I left from #jollamobile17:31
valdur55Ah . ok :D17:32
lbtmiksuh: there are 2 things in that link that should help17:32
miksuhI can't see any link anymore17:32
miksuhwwhat link17:32
lbt"The installer needs space in /tmp - if there is not enough then make a tmp/ dir somewhere and set TMPDIR"17:32
lbtI think that's your problem17:33
miksuhah ok, that probably helps17:33
miksuhhmm /tmp has 1.7GN free17:38
miksuhyep 1.7GN17:39
miksuhdamn typo17:39
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miksuhthat 941MB looks like / but /tmp is not on /17:41
Nicd-miksuh: then you might take a look at the bullet point after the one mentioned in the known issues17:41
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miksuhdifferent partitions17:41
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miksuhI have used couåör of hours trying to solve this.. I'll get some coffee and check yhose known issues afteer that..17:46
miksuhcouplr of hours17:46
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gabriel9anyone changed image source for theme?18:00
gabriel9i guess this can't be changed on Application window, or i am wrong?18:00
miksuh"If your /home dir has room and / does not then the installer will complain. Solution: pre-create the destination directory and the installer will continue. "18:02
miksuh"If your /home dir has room and / does not then the installer will complain. Solution: pre-create the destination directory and the installer will continue. "18:02
miksuhanyway that sounds promising, I'll try that18:03
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lbtmiksuh: ok18:04
gabriel9you need to have alot of space18:05
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lbtgabriel9: yes - it's not tiny :)18:07
gabriel92vm :D18:07
gabriel9where to put other resources? Like images?18:07
gabriel9i want to change test app style18:07
gabriel9https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-introduction.html -> Glass background18:08
lbtthat's not in the alpha emulator18:08
gabriel9are you sure18:08
gabriel9today one dude from #jollamobile told me that he tried some goth themes :)18:09
miksuhooh! IT'S INSTALLING!! :) sO that HELPED :)18:09
lbtmiksuh: glad to help18:09
lbtgabriel9: pretty sure that is the cover - I could be wrong - my area is more the SDK, VMs etc, not QML/Silica18:09
gabriel9ah, ok18:10
gabriel9so you know when we can expect qml2 ? :)18:10
gabriel9ok, im just curius18:11
lbtI was looking - Qt5 was discussed at some point - I know silica is not Wt518:12
tiduxany news on when we can expect hardware?18:12
gabriel9you can tell from import QtQuick 1.118:12
gabriel9i have my N9 ready to embrace saildish18:12
tiduxalright, less talking more hacking18:13
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valdur55lol :D18:13
valdur55Damn... my home drive is full on junk... I need do some cleaning18:15
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valdur55/dev/sdb5        18G   11G  5,8G  65% /home18:15
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gabriel9source: "image://glass/pathto/image.png"18:19
gabriel9what kind is this path18:19
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phakotheme provider18:20
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gabriel9so if i have my img in pages folder(where are my qml elements) how to specify that for that path18:21
gabriel9or i need to add img to theme provider18:21
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gabriel9confused :(18:21
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valdur55Damn.. i have no space in tmp drive. How can set TMPDIR18:33
valdur55I used TMPDIR=/foo/bar and got nothing18:33
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valdur55And ./SailfishOSSDK-linux-32-offline.run --help  doesn't talk about temp dir18:36
Nicd-try something like 'export TMPDIR=/foo/bar' and then 'echo $TMPDIR' to see if it worked18:37
Nicd-if I understood the docs correctly18:37
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valdur55Lol. yea... export :D18:38
valdur55I just made TMPDIR :)18:39
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valdur55Same issue. it checks / space18:40
Nicd-there's a tip for that too at the website18:41
valdur55Short memory problems...18:45
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valdur55Ok. i got it installed (y) .19:08
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lbtvaldur55: any wording changes that would have made it easier?19:35
valdur55I used workaround and  created ~/SailfishOS dir19:36
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valdur55Nothing more... And i now... virtual machine rejects key.19:42
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jalomannDid you get a message?19:46
jalomannvaldur55: Did you get any message?19:46
jalomannTry: Tools-Options-Devices-Timeout:6019:47
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valdur55Ok.  Damn...  i need use two virtual machines... I have only 1 GB in my computer19:56
valdur55Error: :-1: error: SailfishOS Emulator: Server rejected key.19:56
jalomannDefault timeout was 10s. I changed to 60s.19:58
jalomannI helped for me.19:58
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valdur55Yep. I get error with SailfishOS virtualmachine: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-512d15234edc54.26239834.jpg20:07
fk_lxvaldur55: I have the same but it does not seem to affect using Sailfish OS20:09
shmerllbt: Do you plan to make some emulator which avoids using VirtualBox? (I.e. for chrooted environment in regular Mer SDK) similar to how Harmattan did that with Xephyr?20:11
ali1234oh jeez please don't do that20:12
shmerlali: Why not? If you aren't using VB, how are you supposed to run the emulator?20:12
ali1234maemo SDK was a nightmare20:12
shmerlWe aren't talking about Maemo SDK.20:12
ali1234why don't you want to use VB? it's much cleaner than using a chroot, and has less chance of messing up your workstation20:14
shmerlali1234: Simple, to avoid the extra level of abstractinon when you don't need it.20:14
shmerlIt's not cleaner than using chroot - since it already uses chroot.20:14
shmerlJust inside itself.20:14
shmerlYou can mess your workstating with anything if you don't know what you are doing. But skipping the VM speeds up your work.20:15
ali1234i would say that you do need that abstraction, unless your workstation is running mer as the host OS20:16
shmerlNope. You can perfectly run Mer SDK on other Linux hosts (I do it on Debian).20:16
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shmerlAnd Sailfish target is choorted.20:16
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shmerlVM is really necessary if you run on other OSes20:17
shmerl(MacOSX, Windows etc.)20:17
MrPinguThat's why I liked the maemo VM images :)20:18
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shmerlI'm just not sure how that would work with Wayland for example, since Xephyr seems to be X specific.20:24
shmerlBut it's surely good to have an emulator option without the VM.20:25
ali1234it absolutely is X specific20:25
shmerlali1234: Wayland might have its own options for that.20:25
shmerlLike running extra compositor.20:25
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Stskeepsshmerl: we don't plan on doing xephyr based setups20:30
shmerlStskeeps: That's OK. May be Wayland will make it easier in the future.20:31
Stskeepspossibly, but even in my wayland setups i use vbox20:31
shmerlWell, vbox is just a convenience. It's not really a requirement if you use a Linux host.20:32
Stskeepsit is kind of if you want to give a equal experience to that of the device20:33
shmerlBut it's probably more work for you to maintain both setups20:33
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lbtshmerl: ali1234: we're looking at other container types, yes. lxc is a possible.20:48
lbtvbox is likely to be the only solution for the emulator20:49
shmerllbt: I see, thanks.20:49
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drowningHi, am having problems with eth0 on mer build host. Right-ctrl-F2 doesn't seem to work on VirtualBox, so can't get in either. Sound familiar to anyone?21:20
lbthey drowning21:22
lbtso "right ctrl" is the host key for your machine21:22
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lbtmae: were you drowning ? :)21:25
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maelbt: Yup. Tried Ctrl-Alt-F1 in the VM in the (vain) hope that I might get a proper text console. Was caught by my host, who then messed up my graphics driver. Sigh...21:27
lbtat the bottom right of the window it should say what the host key is....21:28
maeAnyway... My host key is Scroll-Lock, so that's not the issue21:28
lbtso you tried scroll-loc + f2 ?21:29
maeYou, Sir, are a hero! Thanks.21:29
lbtnp :)21:30
lbtit's always a challeng - do we write "host + f2" and have everyone ask wtf a "host" key is? :D21:30
maeNever underestimate the power of users (as just proven by Yours Truly...)21:31
lbtanyhow - you should not have eth0 problems ... wassup ?21:31
lbtwhat distro?21:32
maeDuring boot it says there's no eth0 when it tries to acquire IP.21:32
maeUbuntu 11.04 / 64-bit21:32
lbt11.04 ... ok, oldish21:33
lbtwhat vbox do you have?21:33
yunta_mae: you may want to verify your vm settings, if network adapter is set to Intel PRO/1000 MT Server (82545EM)21:33
maeNewest; just upgraded today. With extensions pack.21:33
yunta_(visible after unfolding Advanced section)21:33
lbtsee the screnshot here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Setting_up_and_Networking21:33
yunta_hm, Desktop version in wiki, Server version in my vbox21:34
yunta_I guess both should work?21:34
maeHm, changed the MAC to match the screenshot and rebooted; no such luck.21:39
yunta_mac is irrelevant, adapter type is21:40
maeOK, will try. Hang on.21:40
yunta_but you can log in and check if dmesg complains about anything ?21:44
maeSay, on talk.maemo.org there's a thread where they mention user/pwd nemo/nemo -- but that doesn't bite for me21:45
yunta_what about root/nemo21:45
lbton SDK VM it is root/rootme21:46
maeThanks lbt.21:47
lbtpassword only works on console btw, not ssh21:47
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maeOK, so I logged in; e1000 loaded OK, eth0 exists and has IP. Build from qtcreator fails with timeout. Will try ssh21:50
RzRcan you help21:50
RzRmodule "Qt.labs.folderlistmodel" is not installed ?21:50
RzRhow to deploy/link to ~/SailfishOS/bin/Qt/labs/folderlistmodel/libqmlfolderlistmodelplugin.so ?21:50
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maessh to the sdk fails; works towards emulator.21:55
yunta_lbt: is resolv.conf the fix for ubuntu agent / building timeout?21:55
lbttry something else21:55
lbtVBoxManage modifyvm MerSDK --natdnsproxy1 on21:55
lbtVBoxManage modifyvm MerSDK --natdnshostresolver1 on21:55
maeDone; booting... Nope.21:56
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maeTried -vvvv on my ssh; it gets stuck at 'debug1: identity file .ssh/mer-qt-creator-rsa-cert type -1' and just sits there.21:57
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lbttry setting SSH_AUTH_SOCK=21:59
maeSSH_AUTH_SOCK has no effect. But the networking is up OK, I guess; telnet 2222 does yield a connection.22:00
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yunta_mae: but you aren't getting any message from ssh about "agent" failure?22:01
maeBack in a sec; kid just woke...22:01
lbtyunta_: figured 11.04 may be different22:02
yunta_nice mess :)22:02
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maeBack. Can ping e.g., so it looks like the VM NAT works OK.22:07
yunta_mae: how long does it hang on ssh attempt? is it infinite or does it finally get in?22:08
maeSeemingly forever; several minutes. It's stuck in a read call on the socket to the SDK (strace -f ssh ...)22:09
maesshd on the sdk VM doesn't write a log, does it?22:09
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lbtdid you set resolv.conf ?22:11
lbtOK - sry I'm a bit busy here so not paying full attention22:11
maeOdd: Started ssh client, but it doesn't show up in netstat on the SDK VM.22:12
lbtyou connecting to -p 2222 ?22:12
maelbt: I really appreciate the cycles you're spending. Yes, 2222. Tried 2223 for the emulator, and that works well.22:13
lbtnb I have an 11.04 here22:13
lbtI'll copy over installer and looksee22:14
maeCool! I'll dig around a bit more.22:14
RzRso any idea on how to deploy libqmlfolderlistmodelplugin using current sdk ?22:16
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RzRdonno where to report the question ? tmo ?22:16
lbtRzR: here or the mailing list22:18
yunta_RzR: if you can't do it through in-qtc-webapp then you can always ssh/sb2/chroot to your target I guess ?22:18
RzRthere is22:21
RzRand the sources22:22
RzRhow useful22:22
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lbtmae: gah - I have an old installer here from last friday which doesn't work on 11.0422:27
maelbt: He he... Gotta love software...22:27
* lbt trying to fix neighbour's laptop too22:28
maeI'm no systemd expert, but I wanted to try and enable more logging for sshd. There's no editor (vi!) on the SDK VM?!22:29
maeAh! vim!22:29
lbtyeah - you can of course install emacs22:31
RzR<yunta_> RzR: if you can't do it through in-qtc-webapp then you can always ssh/sb2/chroot to your target I guess ?22:33
RzRplease detail22:33
RzRI just copied the plugin22:33
RzRcd ~/SailfishOS/bin/Qt && tar cfv - labs | ssh  root@localhost -p 2223 -i ~/.ssh/mer-qt-creator-rsa  tar xfv - -C /usr/lib/qt4/imports/Qt/22:34
RzRbefore :22:34
maeThis is odd: SDK: ps auxw, check PID of the 'ps'. Then try ssh a few times; then try ps auxw again. PID has moved +1. So no sshd spawned by systemd (netstat -lp says init owns port 22)22:34
RzRmodule "Qt.labs.folderlistmodel" is not installed22:34
RzRafter :22:34
RzR The file '/usr/lib/qt4/imports/Qt/labs/folderlistmodel/libqmlfolderlistmodelplugin.so' is not a valid Qt plugin.22:34
RzR/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/folderlistmodel/libqmlfolderlistmodelplugin.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped22:35
RzRneed to dl the 32bit sdk ? :)22:35
lbtmae: try running :    journalctl22:39
lbtor journalctl | grep ssh22:39
lbtinit == systemd .. and it uses port activation for ssh22:40
lbtso it listens to 22 and then forks to sshd22:40
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maelbt: No output from the grep.22:41
maeMy test does suggest that systemd doesn't spawn.22:42
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lbtmae: so in the SDK VM you can    ps -ef | grep ssh22:42
lbtand it's not there?22:42
maeNope. Nothing.22:43
lbtin the SDKVM try    ssh localhost22:43
lbtso the NAT is not working22:43
lbt4.1.2 of virtualbox ?22:44
mae4.2.6 -- is that too new? Have I missed a dependency there?22:45
lbtwe've not actually tried that one22:46
lbtthought you said 11.04 ?22:46
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maeYes, I did, but the one I had installed was 4.0.something, so I just grabbed the newest off virtualbox.org; they have a build for 11.04.22:47
lbtah, I see22:47
lbtnp - just checking22:48
maelbt: OK, it's around midnight here in Denmark. I think we have to conclude that there's something amiss with my environment and leave it at that. I can't stomach trying to figure out where NAT is causing problems.22:54
lbtOK - ping me tomorrow22:55
lbtI'm out first thing so keep trying me22:55
maeThanks so much for your effort! But I guess I need to find a newer system; the one I've tried on is (also) my main file server, so I'm quite hesitant to upgrade the distro. Yes, old-fashioned. Yes, risk-averse. Yes, boooring. That's me!  :-)22:57
maeGood night!22:57
lbthehe ... night22:57
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